F-35B是不是滑越起飞,美国LHA(R)上不上弹射器

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F-35A, conventional take off and landing (CTOL) variant.
F-35B, short-take off and vertical-landing (STOVL) variant.
F-35C, carrier-based CATOBAR (CV) variant.

The first F-35B (designated BF-1) made its maiden flight on 11 June 2008. The flight, which featured a conventional takeoff, was piloted by BAE Systems' test pilot Graham Tomlinson. The BF-1 is the second of 19 System Development and Demonstration (SDD) F-35s, and the first to use new weight-optimized design features that will apply to all future F-35s.[200] Testing of the STOVL propulsion system in flight began on 7 January 2010. The STOVL system was used for 14 minutes of the 48 minute test flight while the aircraft slowed from 210 knots (390 km/h) to 180 knots (330 km/h).[201][202] The F-35B's first hover (full stop in mid-air) happened on 17 March 2010, followed by a STOVL landing,[203] and on 18 March 2010 the first vertical landing was performed.[204] During a test flight on 10 June 2010, the F-35B became the second STOVL aircraft to achieve supersonic speeds,[205] the first being its ancestor, the X-35B, which achieved the same feat on 20 July 2001.[206] In January 2011, Lockheed Martin reported it had solved a problem with the aluminum bulkhead used only on the F-35B which had cracked during ground testing.[207]

1.首先要明确的F-35B是短距起飞/垂直降落型。
2.F-35B 只做过悬停试飞(垂直升起后空中悬停后,晃晃悠悠的垂直落下,没有改出平飞)  和 垂直降落试飞(由水平飞行减速到悬停后垂直落下)  都有视频为证 (从BF-1  到 BF-5) 没有垂直起飞(垂直升起后改出加速平飞)的视频。
3.conventional take off 和 short-take off  都应该是滑越起飞吧。
F-35B不能垂直起飞,也不是弹射起飞,就是滑越起飞。短距滑越起飞。



F-35B是短距滑越起飞,升力风扇开启,尾喷口向下偏转45度




LHA6的CG图 F-35B 也是从舰后部滑越起飞的




F-35A, conventional take off and landing (CTOL) variant.
F-35B, short-take off and vertical-landing (STOVL) variant.
F-35C, carrier-based CATOBAR (CV) variant.

The first F-35B (designated BF-1) made its maiden flight on 11 June 2008. The flight, which featured a conventional takeoff, was piloted by BAE Systems' test pilot Graham Tomlinson. The BF-1 is the second of 19 System Development and Demonstration (SDD) F-35s, and the first to use new weight-optimized design features that will apply to all future F-35s.[200] Testing of the STOVL propulsion system in flight began on 7 January 2010. The STOVL system was used for 14 minutes of the 48 minute test flight while the aircraft slowed from 210 knots (390 km/h) to 180 knots (330 km/h).[201][202] The F-35B's first hover (full stop in mid-air) happened on 17 March 2010, followed by a STOVL landing,[203] and on 18 March 2010 the first vertical landing was performed.[204] During a test flight on 10 June 2010, the F-35B became the second STOVL aircraft to achieve supersonic speeds,[205] the first being its ancestor, the X-35B, which achieved the same feat on 20 July 2001.[206] In January 2011, Lockheed Martin reported it had solved a problem with the aluminum bulkhead used only on the F-35B which had cracked during ground testing.[207]

1.首先要明确的F-35B是短距起飞/垂直降落型。
2.F-35B 只做过悬停试飞(垂直升起后空中悬停后,晃晃悠悠的垂直落下,没有改出平飞)  和 垂直降落试飞(由水平飞行减速到悬停后垂直落下)  都有视频为证 (从BF-1  到 BF-5) 没有垂直起飞(垂直升起后改出加速平飞)的视频。
3.conventional take off 和 short-take off  都应该是滑越起飞吧。
F-35B不能垂直起飞,也不是弹射起飞,就是滑越起飞。短距滑越起飞。



F-35B是短距滑越起飞,升力风扇开启,尾喷口向下偏转45度




LHA6的CG图 F-35B 也是从舰后部滑越起飞的


伊莉莎白女王号可是滑跃式航母···
这B可能要被缩减了。
szxb1207 发表于 2011-9-20 22:33
这B可能要被缩减了。
你OUT了  现在据说要砍F-35C了。
最近流行这种标题。
lha没有滑跃跳板,平直甲板上短距起飞。也就是纵身一跃。

当然滑跃更没有问题,还可以挂更多的弹或燃料。

Processed 发表于 2011-9-20 22:37
你OUT了  现在据说要砍F-35C了。


hu November 11th, 2010   白宫委员会说要砍掉F-35B
Marine Corps leaders就说好啊,我采购F-35C,我的LHA7马上改甲板方案,装弹射器。
March 14, 2011  Marine Corps 采购了80架F-35C,Navy 采购260架 ,   80架F-35C只是部署在海军航母上的一部分,自己LHA上还没开口采购,海军航母上3架F-35C就有一架海军陆战队的。
Wed September 14th, 2011    Fiscal Year 2012 2012年国防预算  Navy and Marine Corps leaders同意深入比较F-35C和F-35B,海军继续采购升级的F18-E/F, 可能用F-35B,直接等等X-47

homas E. Laux, the Navy’s deputy assistant secretary for air programs said“We will learn a lot about the F-35Bs on the L ships” to determine if the STOVLs may be used on carriers.
Processed 发表于 2011-9-20 22:37
你OUT了  现在据说要砍F-35C了。


hu November 11th, 2010   白宫委员会说要砍掉F-35B
Marine Corps leaders就说好啊,我采购F-35C,我的LHA7马上改甲板方案,装弹射器。
March 14, 2011  Marine Corps 采购了80架F-35C,Navy 采购260架 ,   80架F-35C只是部署在海军航母上的一部分,自己LHA上还没开口采购,海军航母上3架F-35C就有一架海军陆战队的。
Wed September 14th, 2011    Fiscal Year 2012 2012年国防预算  Navy and Marine Corps leaders同意深入比较F-35C和F-35B,海军继续采购升级的F18-E/F, 可能用F-35B,直接等等X-47

homas E. Laux, the Navy’s deputy assistant secretary for air programs said“We will learn a lot about the F-35Bs on the L ships” to determine if the STOVLs may be used on carriers.
只能说F35B的实验似乎是不打算做了,前途渺茫啊,悲催的陆战队
短距起飞,滑跃指由跳板吧。
笑脸男人 发表于 2011-9-20 23:12
只能说F35B的实验似乎是不打算做了,前途渺茫啊,悲催的陆战队
Wed September 14th, 2011 Lockheed Delivers First F-35 Center Wing Produced In Marietta     This first Marietta-built center wing will be installed in the 25th F-35, an F-35B.
去看下 Fiscal Year 2012  F-35项目里要砍掉6.5亿美元 F-35A已经开始装备空军  F-35B项目继续 F-35C。。。。

Processed 发表于 2011-9-20 23:19
Wed September 14th, 2011 Lockheed Delivers First F-35 Center Wing Produced In Marietta     This fi ...


你的意识C完蛋?B还会活着?有趣啊
Processed 发表于 2011-9-20 23:19
Wed September 14th, 2011 Lockheed Delivers First F-35 Center Wing Produced In Marietta     This fi ...


你的意识C完蛋?B还会活着?有趣啊
Processed 发表于 2011-9-20 23:19
Wed September 14th, 2011 Lockheed Delivers First F-35 Center Wing Produced In Marietta     This fi ...
你的意识C完蛋?B还会活着?有趣啊
笑脸男人 发表于 2011-9-20 23:24
你的意识C完蛋?B还会活着?有趣啊
C的死活关B什么事情。    难不住你认为B不能上航母。
homas E. Laux, the Navy’s deputy assistant secretary for air programs said“We will learn a lot about the F-35Bs on the L ships” to determine if the STOVLs may be used on carriers.
Processed 发表于 2011-9-20 23:30
C的死活关B什么事情。    难不住你认为B不能上航母。
homas E. Laux, the Navy’s deputy assistant sec ...
不是,是之前有说法是认为B会完蛋,C会上航母大有作为

笑脸男人 发表于 2011-9-20 23:33
不是,是之前有说法是认为B会完蛋,C会上航母大有作为


从当初的采购数量就可以看出海军对F-35C不中意。    现在看来海军放弃F-35C也许是个正确的选择。1.海军现在根本没有海肥四F-35C目标对视,如果将来有了也是中国的海黑丝,海肥四怕很难VS海黑丝。 2.美国地主家粮也不多了,继续采购F-18E/F  和等X-47 也许是更好的选择。
笑脸男人 发表于 2011-9-20 23:33
不是,是之前有说法是认为B会完蛋,C会上航母大有作为


从当初的采购数量就可以看出海军对F-35C不中意。    现在看来海军放弃F-35C也许是个正确的选择。1.海军现在根本没有海肥四F-35C目标对视,如果将来有了也是中国的海黑丝,海肥四怕很难VS海黑丝。 2.美国地主家粮也不多了,继续采购F-18E/F  和等X-47 也许是更好的选择。
楼主在为军迷合格与否自行制定标准的时候,有没有考虑自己呢?
“F-35B不能垂直起飞,也不是弹射起飞,就是滑越起飞。短距滑越起飞。”

滑跃,字面上,也就是一定要有“跃”。
比方说,AV-8B,它是有垂直起飞能力的。当它短距离滑行起飞时,可以比垂直起飞载弹量更大。但从未有人说它此时是“滑跃”,原因就是没有“跃”这个阶段。
但是,如果按照楼主这个逻辑:AV-8B就是“滑跃起飞”而不是“短距离起飞”-因为作为一架可短距离起飞、垂直降落的飞机,不垂直起飞,也不弹射起飞,就是滑跃起飞。
Processed 发表于 2011-9-21 00:03
从当初的采购数量就可以看出海军对F-35C不中意。    现在看来海军放弃F-35C也许是个正确的选择。1.海军现 ...
英国人说要买C型号,不知道这个是不是个好消息

U.B.C.S 发表于 2011-9-20 22:30
伊莉莎白女王号可是滑跃式航母···
现在修改设计,弹射了
blueking2 发表于 2011-9-21 00:06
楼主在为军迷合格与否自行制定标准的时候,有没有考虑自己呢?
“F-35B不能垂直起飞,也不是弹射起飞,就是 ...
斜板滑跃起飞要算什么呢 ??

Processed 发表于 2011-9-21 00:03
从当初的采购数量就可以看出海军对F-35C不中意。    现在看来海军放弃F-35C也许是个正确的选择。1.海军现在根本没有海肥四F-35C目标对视,如果将来有了也是中国的海黑丝,海肥四怕很难VS海黑丝。 2.美国地主家粮也不多了,继续采购F-18c/d  和等X-47 也许是更好的选择。


继续采购F-18C/D?
你确定?
Processed 发表于 2011-9-21 00:03
从当初的采购数量就可以看出海军对F-35C不中意。    现在看来海军放弃F-35C也许是个正确的选择。1.海军现在根本没有海肥四F-35C目标对视,如果将来有了也是中国的海黑丝,海肥四怕很难VS海黑丝。 2.美国地主家粮也不多了,继续采购F-18c/d  和等X-47 也许是更好的选择。


继续采购F-18C/D?
你确定?
麻烦楼主使用原文标题,谢谢合作。
多谢楼主合作.请大家继续就事论事.


F-35C的作战能力还是高出F-35B一截吧,如果不考虑上两栖攻击舰。

大表哥那边应该很清楚美国军方的选择,难道英国人被忽悠了?

按LZ的说法,人类至今所有飞机都是滑跃起飞了。

F-35C的作战能力还是高出F-35B一截吧,如果不考虑上两栖攻击舰。

大表哥那边应该很清楚美国军方的选择,难道英国人被忽悠了?

按LZ的说法,人类至今所有飞机都是滑跃起飞了。

千羽 发表于 2011-9-21 01:08
继续采购F-18C/D?
你确定?

失误
海军继续采购F-18E/F是肯定的 ! 你可以自己找找资料 !

千羽 发表于 2011-9-21 01:08
继续采购F-18C/D?
你确定?

失误
海军继续采购F-18E/F是肯定的 ! 你可以自己找找资料 !
海军继续采购F-18c/d是肯定的 ! 你可以自己找找资料 !
确定不是ef?
这东西前途不妙……
另外,F-35B应急垂直起飞也不行吗?
C完蛋?B还会活着?你的意识有趣啊
哈瓦隆 发表于 2011-9-21 13:56
F-35C的作战能力还是高出F-35B一截吧,如果不考虑上两栖攻击舰。

大表哥那边应该很清楚美国军方的选择, ...
英国手里有3架测试型F - 35B,没有F-35C.不知道他是如何决定要采购C的。。我看忽悠美帝的吧,抱怨美国在B项目上的延期。
NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, PATUXENT RIVER, Md. – With flight envelope expansion for ship trials completed, four F-35B test pilots started expeditionary airfield (EAF) building up to field carrier landing practice (FCLP) Sept. 14.2011.


这货还会有新订单?这想法实在是高奇葩的..........
中华海帝 发表于 2011-9-21 14:07
这东西前途不妙……
另外,F-35B应急垂直起飞也不行吗?
不行吧,  从悬停要改出平飞加速不是那么容易的,
催眠术师 发表于 2011-9-21 14:07
确定不是ef?
是C/D升级机型E/F 型
bizhu886 发表于 2011-9-21 14:08
C完蛋?B还会活着?你的意识有趣啊
NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, PATUXENT RIVER, Md. – With flight envelope expansion for ship trials completed, four F-35B test pilots started expeditionary airfield (EAF) building up to field carrier landing practice (FCLP) Sept. 14.

EAF and FCLP testing is part of the pilot certification process for landing aircraft on an amphibious deck, to ensure pilots are adequately prepared for the inherent danger in operating aircraft in a maritime environment.

Four test pilots are scheduled to participate in initial ship trials, all with significant short take- off and vertical landing experience in the F- 35B.

“The initial ship trials will demonstrate our ability to operate the F-35B as the Corps needs
it – in the expeditionary environment,” said Marine Corps Col. Roger Cordell, military site director for F-35 testing at Naval Air Station Patuxent River. “We’re excited about the potential that the F-35B has shown to operate in the demanding environment at sea.”

The first ship trial on board USS Wasp (LHD 1) for the F-35B is on track for this fall, and is scheduled to test the first short take-offs, vertical landings, deck handling, landing systems as well as provide an opportunity to collect deck environmental data.

The F-35B is the variant of the Joint Strike Fighter for the U.S. Marine Corps, capable of short take-offs and vertical landings for use on amphibious ships or expeditionary airfields to provide air power to the Marine Air-Ground Task Force. The F-35B is undergoing test and evaluation at NAS Patuxent River prior to delivery to the fleet.


反正B的日子过很滋润的 !
C完蛋?装B可能吗?你的意识有趣啊
米国级首舰米国号开工已久了,为35B量身打造,连坞舱都舍弃了
说实话,偶觉得B生C死是正常的。B的后台太强大了,有那么多的的眼睛瞪着看,相反C只有米国海军一家用户。而且海军还在进行超级虫子的采购,有米有C对海军影响不大,但米有B哼哼老米可能赔不起那个赔款。
。。。。。。w我不懂了
照LZ这么说F35B只能垂直起来,但是不能飞,起来以后只能再垂直落下,那要那个大风扇有何用?就是为了表演垂直上去再下来?
或者说短距起飞
我不懂什么大道理
按照LZ的假设,做不到垂直起飞改平  ,那么同理的话也是做不到平飞改垂落的
那F35B上面的大风扇几乎没有意义,当然  短距起飞的时候风扇也是打开的(视频上)
但是我不认为落马的人上个大风扇就是为了缩短那么一点点起飞距离
难道是我想错了?
涡轮 发表于 2011-9-21 15:17
米国级首舰米国号开工已久了,为35B量身打造,连坞舱都舍弃了
LHA-7的采购合同也已经签订了 。




你确定?
如果不能改平飞,那他垂直起来的意义在哪里?



你确定?
如果不能改平飞,那他垂直起来的意义在哪里?
Decepticons 发表于 2011-9-21 15:50
。。。。。。w我不懂了
照LZ这么说F35B只能垂直起来,但是不能飞,起来以后只能再垂直落下,那要那个大风 ...
1.悬停试验是为了垂直降落试验做准备的。  悬停时尾喷口旋转成垂直向下产生推力与风扇向下推力 形成的合力克服重力,垂直升起并.悬停空中。
2.垂直降落试验,35B飞机在飞行状态(机翼产生升力克服重力)尾喷口旋转成垂直向下产生推力和打开风扇产生向下推力形成的合力克服重力,逐步减速到悬停于空中一定高度,慢慢降落。
3.垂直起飞  35B悬停于空中,没有水平速度也就没有机翼产生升力,克服重力需尾喷口旋转成垂直向下产生推力和打开风扇产生向下推力形成的合力,此时如要水平加速,那必须旋转尾喷口产生水平推力,旋转尾喷口必然会对悬停产生影响。此时操控稍不慎就可能坠毁。