【翻译】比尔 斯维特曼 - 中国的隐形战机,又来了!联想 ...

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作为f-35的坚决的批评者,比尔-斯维特曼是aviationweek著名军事评论员。很长一段时间以来,一直对j-20大加推崇。立刻发表了对31001的看法。

大意如下:

如果f-35不需要照顾垂直起降的要求,会是什么样?大家看就是31001的样子。沈飞披露该飞机的时机,图片质量和角度说明是一次不折不扣的官泻。

根据卡车的尺寸:
http://cntruck.en.made-in-china.com/product/NvgnXsBuAxWP/China-Aircraft-Tractor-QDZ5070TQY-.html
可以推算出该飞机翼展越11.5米。发动机后置。中置的武器仓尺寸超常。

联想到2009年落马供货商资料被窃,可能与此型飞机有关连。


http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx?plckBlogId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a95449fed-12dd-49d2-8479-a6e20a1cb3e5

China's New Stealth Fighter. Not a repeat from December 2010.
Posted by Bill Sweetman 9:38 AM on Sep 16, 2012

The US defense secretary is on his way to Beijing. Time to unveil a new stealth fighter...

Short take-off and vertical landing has been one of the two driving requirements behind the Joint Strike Fighter design, the other being stealth.

STOVL dictated the single engine, and the STOVL solution chosen for the F-35 demands a big vertical bay behind the cockpit, and a main engine located unusually far forward, to keep the driveshaft length within reason and to put the lift-cruise nozzle in the right longitudinal location for balance.

This constrains the weapon-bay volume and shape, and effectively subdivides the bays into four zones - two AAM bays and two heavy store sections. As Amy Butler reports in Aviation Week this week, too, the weapon bays, wrapped around the engine, get hot and noisy.

If you ever wondered what a JSF might look without those constraints, we now have a live, physical example.

Unfortunately...



..it's Chinese.

One of the photos of the new Shenyang stealth fighter, apparently designated J-31, that appeared on Chinese defense websites over the weekend is such a colossal gimme that it has to have been deliberate. Direct head-on shot? Check. Commercially available aircraft tug? Check. Extreme telephoto, so that perspective effects are lost in the noise? Check.


Sheesh, guys, can't you make it a challenge?

The J-31's wingspan is an F-35-like 37.5 feet, unless my Soviet-watching skills have deserted me. This makes it smaller than the F-22 and considerably smaller than the Chengdu J-20. A good early guess is that the engines are Klimov RD-93s - imported in large numbers for the JF-17 - with a Chinese-built engine to follow.

Turning to the side view of the jet, it looks as if the engines are installed to the rear of the bulkhead that carries the main landing gears. And with no lift fan bay to worry about, the designers have been able to install long weapon bays on the centerline:  what will be interesting is how the inlet ducts are routed to optimize internal space.

Overall, the most important point is that the J-31 does not look like a competitor for the J-20 - but as a complement to it. Which, again, might point to the new fighter being a JSF to the J-20's F-22.

And if you wonder about the detail similarities of the shape to the F-22 and F-35, remember this quote from 2010:

In the past year (2009) alone, Lockheed Martin found “six to eight companies” among its subcontractors “had been totally compromised – emails, their networks, everything” according to Lockheed Martin chief information security officer Anne Mullins.




作为f-35的坚决的批评者,比尔-斯维特曼是aviationweek著名军事评论员。很长一段时间以来,一直对j-20大加推崇。立刻发表了对31001的看法。

大意如下:

如果f-35不需要照顾垂直起降的要求,会是什么样?大家看就是31001的样子。沈飞披露该飞机的时机,图片质量和角度说明是一次不折不扣的官泻。

根据卡车的尺寸:
http://cntruck.en.made-in-china.com/product/NvgnXsBuAxWP/China-Aircraft-Tractor-QDZ5070TQY-.html
可以推算出该飞机翼展越11.5米。发动机后置。中置的武器仓尺寸超常。

联想到2009年落马供货商资料被窃,可能与此型飞机有关连。


http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx?plckBlogId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a95449fed-12dd-49d2-8479-a6e20a1cb3e5

China's New Stealth Fighter. Not a repeat from December 2010.
Posted by Bill Sweetman 9:38 AM on Sep 16, 2012

The US defense secretary is on his way to Beijing. Time to unveil a new stealth fighter...

Short take-off and vertical landing has been one of the two driving requirements behind the Joint Strike Fighter design, the other being stealth.

STOVL dictated the single engine, and the STOVL solution chosen for the F-35 demands a big vertical bay behind the cockpit, and a main engine located unusually far forward, to keep the driveshaft length within reason and to put the lift-cruise nozzle in the right longitudinal location for balance.

This constrains the weapon-bay volume and shape, and effectively subdivides the bays into four zones - two AAM bays and two heavy store sections. As Amy Butler reports in Aviation Week this week, too, the weapon bays, wrapped around the engine, get hot and noisy.

If you ever wondered what a JSF might look without those constraints, we now have a live, physical example.

Unfortunately...



..it's Chinese.

One of the photos of the new Shenyang stealth fighter, apparently designated J-31, that appeared on Chinese defense websites over the weekend is such a colossal gimme that it has to have been deliberate. Direct head-on shot? Check. Commercially available aircraft tug? Check. Extreme telephoto, so that perspective effects are lost in the noise? Check.


Sheesh, guys, can't you make it a challenge?

The J-31's wingspan is an F-35-like 37.5 feet, unless my Soviet-watching skills have deserted me. This makes it smaller than the F-22 and considerably smaller than the Chengdu J-20. A good early guess is that the engines are Klimov RD-93s - imported in large numbers for the JF-17 - with a Chinese-built engine to follow.

Turning to the side view of the jet, it looks as if the engines are installed to the rear of the bulkhead that carries the main landing gears. And with no lift fan bay to worry about, the designers have been able to install long weapon bays on the centerline:  what will be interesting is how the inlet ducts are routed to optimize internal space.

Overall, the most important point is that the J-31 does not look like a competitor for the J-20 - but as a complement to it. Which, again, might point to the new fighter being a JSF to the J-20's F-22.

And if you wonder about the detail similarities of the shape to the F-22 and F-35, remember this quote from 2010:

In the past year (2009) alone, Lockheed Martin found “six to eight companies” among its subcontractors “had been totally compromised – emails, their networks, everything” according to Lockheed Martin chief information security officer Anne Mullins.


粽子,是沈飞练手的。如果能卖出去是最好的。不然下一代战机就全是成飞的事了。培养自己的四代机经验,不断试飞积累经验
沈飞的思路太中规中矩了,这个很难改变吧
三年时间研制一款四代机,他们觉得兔子有这么厉害?
又开始找来源了,真是不累啊。
不许山寨,只许窃。

我等笑而不语
窃技术不算窃,打仗的事,能叫窃吗?
iewgnem 发表于 2012-9-17 06:57
三年时间研制一款四代机,他们觉得兔子有这么厉害?
不止啦,起码和J20同时进行可研的
求翻译官
这次MD可能会真的拿出皮鞭、拷问肥电与娘娘在外有没有私生子
抛去J31的胡说不谈,我觉得他对F35的批评是有道理的。F-35就是被垂直起降的要求毁了。
观天下 发表于 2012-9-17 08:15
抛去J31的胡说不谈,我觉得他对F35的批评是有道理的。F-35就是被垂直起降的要求毁了。
美帝提前验证垂直起降技术!具有重大的实践意义。  等推比15-20的发动机上市,垂直起降是必须的、可行的。
tang2635 发表于 2012-9-17 06:26
粽子,是沈飞练手的。如果能卖出去是最好的。不然下一代战机就全是成飞的事了。培养自己的四代机经验,不断 ...
兔子一向是两条腿走路的,所以很明显,4代机SF一定会参与,甚至还有XF。有竞争才会有进步,不然CF就会成为中国的落马,垄断是一切堕落的开始。


简单翻一下
中国新式隐身战斗机
美国国防部长即将到访北京,该揭开新式隐身战斗机的面纱了
短距起飞,垂直降落和隐身是联合攻击机的三个主要技术要求。 短距和垂直(STOVL)起降决定了f35只能是单发战斗机。为了满足STOVL,驾驶舱后面必须安装一个巨大的生力风扇。为了控制驱动杆的长度和在纵向平衡发动机喷口偏转时产生的垂直生力,发动机必须放置的非常靠前。这些都限制了内置弹仓的尺寸和外形。 内置弹仓被分割为四份,2个对空导弹仓和2个重型仓。 如同amy butler在航空周刊报道的一样,这些分布在发动机四周的武器舱可谓是又吵又热。
人情不自禁的取向如果没有stovl,f35是什么样?现在我们有了个活生生的答案。
不幸的是,
中国人做到了。
编号为j31的新沈飞隐身战斗机出现在了中国的某军事论坛上。这些照片所包含的细节是精心设计的,包含正面照,可以作为参考的拖车,以及长焦镜头来减少画面中的尺寸细节。
J31的翼展为37.5尺和f35类似。比f22和j20都小的多。 如同早期猜测的一样,发动机应该是两台rd93s。这些发动机是早些时候为了发财而大量进口的。 以后可能会换用国发。
从侧面看,发动机的安装顶到了主起落架的隔板。 由于不需要生力风扇,设计者可以在中心线位置使用大尺寸武器。 一个有趣的问题是如何安排内部管线来达到对内部空间的最优化。

更重要的一点是j31不是j20的竞争者而是一个补充,正如同f35和f20的关系一样。

如果你对j31和f22以及f35的相似性感到惊奇,看下下面来自2010年的一段话
仅仅在2009年一年中,骡马就发现6到8个分承包商的信息被泄漏了,包含电子邮件,网络,和几乎所有的东西。


简单翻一下
中国新式隐身战斗机
美国国防部长即将到访北京,该揭开新式隐身战斗机的面纱了
短距起飞,垂直降落和隐身是联合攻击机的三个主要技术要求。 短距和垂直(STOVL)起降决定了f35只能是单发战斗机。为了满足STOVL,驾驶舱后面必须安装一个巨大的生力风扇。为了控制驱动杆的长度和在纵向平衡发动机喷口偏转时产生的垂直生力,发动机必须放置的非常靠前。这些都限制了内置弹仓的尺寸和外形。 内置弹仓被分割为四份,2个对空导弹仓和2个重型仓。 如同amy butler在航空周刊报道的一样,这些分布在发动机四周的武器舱可谓是又吵又热。
人情不自禁的取向如果没有stovl,f35是什么样?现在我们有了个活生生的答案。
不幸的是,
中国人做到了。
编号为j31的新沈飞隐身战斗机出现在了中国的某军事论坛上。这些照片所包含的细节是精心设计的,包含正面照,可以作为参考的拖车,以及长焦镜头来减少画面中的尺寸细节。
J31的翼展为37.5尺和f35类似。比f22和j20都小的多。 如同早期猜测的一样,发动机应该是两台rd93s。这些发动机是早些时候为了发财而大量进口的。 以后可能会换用国发。
从侧面看,发动机的安装顶到了主起落架的隔板。 由于不需要生力风扇,设计者可以在中心线位置使用大尺寸武器。 一个有趣的问题是如何安排内部管线来达到对内部空间的最优化。

更重要的一点是j31不是j20的竞争者而是一个补充,正如同f35和f20的关系一样。

如果你对j31和f22以及f35的相似性感到惊奇,看下下面来自2010年的一段话
仅仅在2009年一年中,骡马就发现6到8个分承包商的信息被泄漏了,包含电子邮件,网络,和几乎所有的东西。
“不幸的是,中国人做到了。”
这个翻译可能有点太过拘谨,他的口气很戏谑,不如直翻。
拼爹的时代
tang2635 发表于 2012-9-17 06:26
粽子,是沈飞练手的。如果能卖出去是最好的。不然下一代战机就全是成飞的事了。培养自己的四代机经验,不断 ...
练手? 沈飞有那么有钱吗?如果破产了怎样?
中国隐形战机,又来啦!
抛去J31的胡说不谈,我觉得他对F35的批评是有道理的。F-35就是被垂直起降的要求毁了。
哦?能不能详细说明下“毁”在什么地方了呀?
斯维特曼
思维特慢的人的话
也就听听算了
If you ever wondered what a JSF might look without those constraints, we now have a live, physical example.

Unfortunately...



..it's Chinese.
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他爷爷的爷爷的爷爷的爷爷剽窃了多少中国的东西。

要么此人弱者,要么历史不及格

韩五记 发表于 2012-9-17 10:54
哦?能不能详细说明下“毁”在什么地方了呀?
简要的说,如果没有了垂直起降要求,价格会便宜很多,A/C型可以不顾及垂直起降的要求,按照自身要求进行设计。试飞会更加顺利。服役时间更快。
脑残是无止境的 TG如果三年就能搞定粽子 美帝已经可以洗洗睡了 有这水平 还窃取个毛资料

韩五记 发表于 2012-9-17 10:54
哦?能不能详细说明下“毁”在什么地方了呀?


不搞垂直起降功能,只是在f22的基础上搞个单发简化版有那么难吗?
如果a和b分开的话,现在f35a早就满天飞
韩五记 发表于 2012-9-17 10:54
哦?能不能详细说明下“毁”在什么地方了呀?


不搞垂直起降功能,只是在f22的基础上搞个单发简化版有那么难吗?
如果a和b分开的话,现在f35a早就满天飞
tang2635 发表于 2012-9-17 06:26
粽子,是沈飞练手的。如果能卖出去是最好的。不然下一代战机就全是成飞的事了。培养自己的四代机经验,不断 ...
小白问一句,为何J31叫 粽子?
longxia 发表于 2012-9-17 12:36
脑残是无止境的 TG如果三年就能搞定粽子 美帝已经可以洗洗睡了 有这水平 还窃取个毛资料
人家的意思,是说中国摸黑搞了很多年,又得到MD关键资料的前提下,这才勉强搞出来。哈哈
longxia 发表于 2012-9-17 12:36
脑残是无止境的 TG如果三年就能搞定粽子 美帝已经可以洗洗睡了 有这水平 还窃取个毛资料
人家的意思,是说中国摸黑搞了很多年,又得到MD关键资料的前提下,这才勉强搞出来。哈哈
这明显表达了Sweetman对粽子机的赞赏态度啊, 砍掉F35繁杂多余的过分的通用需求,精简结构提升性能, 降低成本和风险。。。这就是粽子。。。
沈飞这些年真的对F35花了大心思去研究, 去其糟粕取其精华,为己所用。 从沈霍伊华丽变身成了沈克希德。
这就是舆论强势的的效果,他说你偷,全世界都会跟着说你偷;他说你没偷,全世界也就跟着说你没偷……
兔子又中枪了。
coolfishzxx 发表于 2012-9-17 08:44
简单翻一下
中国新式隐身战斗机
美国国防部长即将到访北京,该揭开新式隐身战斗机的面纱了
技术成熟了,双发也有可能垂直起飞吧。。。
呵呵  鹘鹰引起不少关注啊~~
中国有什么,那些人都有说的!
主动、被动的各种找爹
早就想到有人会说偷~~~ 他们爱咋说咋说把·~~
parakoram 发表于 2012-9-17 12:38
小白问一句,为何J31叫 粽子?
你就不能百度一下么?懒死了
西方人傲慢无知,终究要还滴!!
我觉得,31这个编号不是随便取的,J-20出来时,就有对20这个编号的猜想,主要是从20对10的跨带性方面考虑,还有就是为了和F-22在编号上接近的想法,这样给人直观感觉差距不大。现在31出来,感觉就更明显了,明显是针对F-35这个编号来的。