超级军网TG打算搞土星-5级超级火箭
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BBC上说的， 推力3000吨，各位有了解情况的，说说？
美国下代在研的火箭似乎没有这么大推力的东西了
不过TG用现代技术搞，应该不用像美国当年搞土星5那么不计成本，倾全国之力搞
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10762634
BBC上说的， 推力3000吨，各位有了解情况的，说说？
美国下代在研的火箭似乎没有这么大推力的东西了
不过TG用现代技术搞，应该不用像美国当年搞土星5那么不计成本，倾全国之力搞
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10762634
TG要搞巨型火箭也不是啥秘密了吧，官方早都说了。。
九鬼 发表于 2010-8-10 17:21 
官方以前一直说的是1500吨级，虽然也是巨型火箭了， 不过推力只有土星-5的一半。
这次说法是3000吨级， 这可是货真价实的土星-5级了， 另外由于有现代控制技术， 这种推力的火箭可以做比土星-5更多的工作。
官方以前一直说的是1500吨级，虽然也是巨型火箭了， 不过推力只有土星-5的一半。
这次说法是3000吨级， 这可是货真价实的土星-5级了， 另外由于有现代控制技术， 这种推力的火箭可以做比土星-5更多的工作。
求真相 国内有相关新闻没有？。。
中国这样一个国家，这么大的国家，在全世界实力排前三名，搞什么东西都不要觉得奇怪
消息准确码？我没在国内看到这类消息啊？！
TG已经提出来预研千吨级超级火箭的计划了。
应该搞，必须搞，这东西早晚得要
发动机是关键，TG还得加大力度投入
教主继续
F-35韩式整容版 发表于 2010-8-10 17:33
很多年前就说100吨级LEO的火箭了
很多年前就说100吨级LEO的火箭了
这么厉害？啥时候的消息啊？
BBC采访的运载火箭研究院的说貌似要整600吨级的煤油机吧
lvshoutao 发表于 2010-8-10 20:03
恩，就是说那个600吨级煤油发动机的事，整个火箭推力要达到3000吨级，也就是土星5级，相当夸张
恩，就是说那个600吨级煤油发动机的事，整个火箭推力要达到3000吨级，也就是土星5级，相当夸张
恩，就是说那个600吨级煤油发动机的事，整个火箭推力要达到3000吨级，也就是土星5级，相当夸张
F-35韩式整容版 发表于 2010-8-10 20:18
有600吨级也不一定非得就用于3000吨级的火箭吧，5米直径塞一台单室煤油机应该可以的吧，在配个上个15吨级的四机并联上面级打个神舟飞船也差不多了吧，或者像CZ-2F那样二级一台70吨级的主机再加上几个游机，这样发动机数目就少了替代长2F也是可以的吧，不过这样的5米直径的火箭用铁路运到酒泉是不行了，如果是芯-一级五个600吨级煤油机并联那确实是土星5级别的，俺小白说的不对的地方请老大们指正
恩，就是说那个600吨级煤油发动机的事，整个火箭推力要达到3000吨级，也就是土星5级，相当夸张
F-35韩式整容版 发表于 2010-8-10 20:18
有600吨级也不一定非得就用于3000吨级的火箭吧，5米直径塞一台单室煤油机应该可以的吧，在配个上个15吨级的四机并联上面级打个神舟飞船也差不多了吧，或者像CZ-2F那样二级一台70吨级的主机再加上几个游机，这样发动机数目就少了替代长2F也是可以的吧，不过这样的5米直径的火箭用铁路运到酒泉是不行了，如果是芯-一级五个600吨级煤油机并联那确实是土星5级别的，俺小白说的不对的地方请老大们指正
BBC吗，楼主有没有链接啊？
如果属实说明登月不会早于2025年，也许会在2030-2035年开始载人殖民月球
天哪，这是BBC说的？！
b52b 发表于 2010-8-10 21:27
LINK我不在贴里给了吗？
LINK我不在贴里给了吗？
ddeell72 发表于 2010-8-10 21:44
准确地说不是BBC说的，是BBC记者采访中航官员时对方泄露的， 说要搞600吨发动机，组成3000吨级推力的超级火箭
准确地说不是BBC说的，是BBC记者采访中航官员时对方泄露的， 说要搞600吨发动机，组成3000吨级推力的超级火箭
GHOK-0077 发表于 2010-8-10 21:43
登月不需要3000吨级推力，美国搞土星-5那时候控制技术不行，其实按照现代控制技术，现在快要服役那个长-5就够载人登月， 不过需要多几次变轨而已。
登月不需要3000吨级推力，美国搞土星-5那时候控制技术不行，其实按照现代控制技术，现在快要服役那个长-5就够载人登月， 不过需要多几次变轨而已。
if such projects are approved," Li Tongyu told BBC News.
“600顿大推只有对载人登月(级别的)才合适，如果这项目批了的话”。
所以那就是现在还没批的意思了。
反倒是后面引用《China Daily》上梁小虹的话说将来要搞3000吨火箭说的比较确凿。
In March, the official China Daily newspaper disclosed that CALT was studying a super-heavy launch vehicle, which could be used to mount lunar expeditions.
At the time, the newspaper quoted CALT Vice President Liang Xiaohong as saying that the total lift-off thrust of the future heavy launcher would be 3,000 tonnes.
只是这里他们就又不是第一手消息源了，还得看梁这个“将来”到底什么语境下说的，到底有多将来
“600顿大推只有对载人登月(级别的)才合适，如果这项目批了的话”。
所以那就是现在还没批的意思了。
反倒是后面引用《China Daily》上梁小虹的话说将来要搞3000吨火箭说的比较确凿。
In March, the official China Daily newspaper disclosed that CALT was studying a super-heavy launch vehicle, which could be used to mount lunar expeditions.
At the time, the newspaper quoted CALT Vice President Liang Xiaohong as saying that the total lift-off thrust of the future heavy launcher would be 3,000 tonnes.
只是这里他们就又不是第一手消息源了，还得看梁这个“将来”到底什么语境下说的，到底有多将来
TG=土星共同体，顾名思义……
教主，这个没“数据”不能算！
要是搞600吨级氢氧发动机。。
那我直接晕了。。
那我直接晕了。。
九鬼 发表于 2010-8-11 18:18
说的是煤油机，不是氢氧的，氢氧的世界上最大的貌似是美国的RS-68吧也就300吨多点可能不是指的海平面推力吧，偶小白
说的是煤油机，不是氢氧的，氢氧的世界上最大的貌似是美国的RS-68吧也就300吨多点可能不是指的海平面推力吧，偶小白
土共早点爆发吧。
九鬼 发表于 2010-8-10 17:21
说归说但没见有什么动作啊，难道这个也保密？
说归说但没见有什么动作啊，难道这个也保密？
大侧斜螺旋桨 发表于 2010-8-10 19:20
看来等造出来是猴年马月以后的事了。。。
看来等造出来是猴年马月以后的事了。。。
F119增吹版 发表于 2010-8-11 02:56
最重要的是3000吨以下的模仿型登月没有意义，如果登月就要完成人员常驻才有价值（南极考察模式），否则机器人登月足以，嫦娥3到4就可以完成！所以现代登月还是要3000吨！这样的大载具的开发可以确保2030年后登月的绝对安全和对可能存在的月球资源价值的霸占的可靠性。如果月球真的有价值值得霸占，这笔投资至少可以确保10到15年的领先！！！
最重要的是3000吨以下的模仿型登月没有意义，如果登月就要完成人员常驻才有价值（南极考察模式），否则机器人登月足以，嫦娥3到4就可以完成！所以现代登月还是要3000吨！这样的大载具的开发可以确保2030年后登月的绝对安全和对可能存在的月球资源价值的霸占的可靠性。如果月球真的有价值值得霸占，这笔投资至少可以确保10到15年的领先！！！
如果国家只考虑到月球逛一逛，学当年美国人让人丢个旗子啥的，用小火箭，那就真的是脑残聊！！（美国人当年的行为叫风光，中国人再重复一遍那是丢人），
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10762634
China considers big rocket power
By Anatoly Zak
Science reporter
Engines on China's Long March-5 will develop 120 tonnes of thrust
Chinese engineers are considering a new super-powerful engine for the next generation of space rockets, say officials.
According to Li Tongyu, general manager of the marketing department at the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (CALT), engineers are currently studying a rocket engine capable of generating thrust of 600 tonnes.
If China succeeds in the development of such power, it would increase the nation's capabilities in space by orders of magnitude.
For comparison, China is currently well in the development of its most powerful rocket to date - Long March-5 - that would sport engines with the thrust of 120 tonnes.
"Rockets (with 600-tonne thrust engines) would only be justified for things like sending humans to the Moon, if such projects are approved," Li Tongyu told BBC
In March, the official China Daily newspaper disclosed that CALT was studying a super-heavy launch vehicle, which could be used to mount lunar expeditions.
At the time, the newspaper quoted CALT Vice President Liang Xiaohong as saying that the total lift-off thrust of the future heavy launcher would be 3,000 tonnes.
'Grander scale'
To develop such thrust, the first stage of the proposed rocket would need five 600-tonne engines, possibly distributed between one central stage and four strap-on boosters.
China hopes to carry out its first LM-5 test launch in 2014
The rocket's architecture would thus be similar to the one adopted for the Long March-5 rocket, but at a considerably grander scale.
Although the expected payload of the future heavy lifter had not been disclosed, available details allow placing it close to the same category with that of the Saturn-5 rocket, which carried US astronauts to the Moon.
In the meantime, the development of the Long March-5 rocket was proceeding well toward its first test launch, currently expected in 2014, Li Tongyu said.
The vehicle's first stage engine had already accumulated more than 10,000 seconds of firing during tests - an important milestone on the way to its certification for real missions.
A full-scale prototype of the Long March 5 rocket would be ready for testing in 2012 and a year later, test firing of fully assembled rocket stages would be conducted.
When operational, Long March-5 is expected to deliver up to 25 tonnes of payload, including space station modules to the low Earth orbit, and up to 14 tonnes to the so-called geostationary transfer orbit, where most communications satellites are released after launch.
At the UK's Farnborough airshow, CALT demonstrated computer-generation videos, showcasing impressive new assembly and launch infrastructure of the Long March-5 rocket.
Newly built facilities will feature a sprawling campus not far from Chinese capital Beijing, where the rocket would be assembled.
The rocket stages would then be shipped to the launch site in the very south of China, where it could take advantage of the Earth rotation to maximise its cargo capabilities.
Along with Earth-orbiting satellites, the Long March-5 is expected to carry Chinese spacecraft into deep space, including unmanned missions to return soil samples from the Moon.
如果是真的，那非常振奋人心。
China considers big rocket power
By Anatoly Zak
Science reporter
Engines on China's Long March-5 will develop 120 tonnes of thrust
Chinese engineers are considering a new super-powerful engine for the next generation of space rockets, say officials.
According to Li Tongyu, general manager of the marketing department at the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology (CALT), engineers are currently studying a rocket engine capable of generating thrust of 600 tonnes.
If China succeeds in the development of such power, it would increase the nation's capabilities in space by orders of magnitude.
For comparison, China is currently well in the development of its most powerful rocket to date - Long March-5 - that would sport engines with the thrust of 120 tonnes.
"Rockets (with 600-tonne thrust engines) would only be justified for things like sending humans to the Moon, if such projects are approved," Li Tongyu told BBC
In March, the official China Daily newspaper disclosed that CALT was studying a super-heavy launch vehicle, which could be used to mount lunar expeditions.
At the time, the newspaper quoted CALT Vice President Liang Xiaohong as saying that the total lift-off thrust of the future heavy launcher would be 3,000 tonnes.
'Grander scale'
To develop such thrust, the first stage of the proposed rocket would need five 600-tonne engines, possibly distributed between one central stage and four strap-on boosters.
China hopes to carry out its first LM-5 test launch in 2014
The rocket's architecture would thus be similar to the one adopted for the Long March-5 rocket, but at a considerably grander scale.
Although the expected payload of the future heavy lifter had not been disclosed, available details allow placing it close to the same category with that of the Saturn-5 rocket, which carried US astronauts to the Moon.
In the meantime, the development of the Long March-5 rocket was proceeding well toward its first test launch, currently expected in 2014, Li Tongyu said.
The vehicle's first stage engine had already accumulated more than 10,000 seconds of firing during tests - an important milestone on the way to its certification for real missions.
A full-scale prototype of the Long March 5 rocket would be ready for testing in 2012 and a year later, test firing of fully assembled rocket stages would be conducted.
When operational, Long March-5 is expected to deliver up to 25 tonnes of payload, including space station modules to the low Earth orbit, and up to 14 tonnes to the so-called geostationary transfer orbit, where most communications satellites are released after launch.
At the UK's Farnborough airshow, CALT demonstrated computer-generation videos, showcasing impressive new assembly and launch infrastructure of the Long March-5 rocket.
Newly built facilities will feature a sprawling campus not far from Chinese capital Beijing, where the rocket would be assembled.
The rocket stages would then be shipped to the launch site in the very south of China, where it could take advantage of the Earth rotation to maximise its cargo capabilities.
Along with Earth-orbiting satellites, the Long March-5 is expected to carry Chinese spacecraft into deep space, including unmanned missions to return soil samples from the Moon.
如果是真的，那非常振奋人心。
确实不能只搞丢旗子、挖月壤的行动，挖出真正有战略价值的东西才是持久之策！
bbc说的你也信，西方的一种策略
tg还计划造死星来着……
支持白兔占领月球挖矿
想在月球常驻先要搞规模很大的月球勘探活动，搞清楚哪里有水有矿，光是这个估计就要弄很久
说归说但没见有什么动作啊，难道这个也保密？
C卫星 发表于 2010-8-11 20:55
动作？国家现在根本就没有立项，各研究院所自己在做~500吨级液氧煤油和~150吨级氢氧的预研而已。这文章不是正在造势想要钱么？
保密？这些一向都不愿意漏风，比如YF75D的试车情况从来就没有公开过，就连YF-100/YF-77的试车都要从八股文里面仔细体会才行。
谨慎点20年后看怎么样吧。战神如果没有被砍，或许动力还大点。
说归说但没见有什么动作啊，难道这个也保密？
C卫星 发表于 2010-8-11 20:55
动作？国家现在根本就没有立项，各研究院所自己在做~500吨级液氧煤油和~150吨级氢氧的预研而已。这文章不是正在造势想要钱么？
保密？这些一向都不愿意漏风，比如YF75D的试车情况从来就没有公开过，就连YF-100/YF-77的试车都要从八股文里面仔细体会才行。
谨慎点20年后看怎么样吧。战神如果没有被砍，或许动力还大点。
jinandb2 发表于 2010-8-12 09:01
教主继续!