超级军网苏35 台风 阵风 F22一些指标的比较
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1. Normal take-off：
* F-22A: 27,200 kg
* Su-35: 25,300 kg
* EF-2K: 17,000 kg
* Rafale: 15,000 kg
2. MTOW：
* F-22A: 28,120 kg
* Su-35: 34,500 kg
* EF-2K: 23,500 kg
* Rafale: 24,500 kg
3. Internal Fuel：
* F-22A: 9,330 kg
* Su-35: 11,500 kg
* EF-2K: 5,000 kg
* Rafale: 4,750 kg
4. Maximal Payload：
* F-22A: unknown
* Su-35: 8,000 kg
* EF-2K: 7,500 kg+
* Rafale: 9,500 kg
5. Maximal Speed, 11,000 m：
* F-22A: 2.00 Mach+ (2.25 ~ 2.42 Mach)
* Su-35: 2.25 Mach
* EF-2K: 2.00 Mach+ (2.25 Mach)
* Rafale: 1.80 Mach+ (2.00 Mach)
6. Maximal speed, 200 m：
* F-22A: 800 kts
* Su-35: 1,400 km/hr
* EF-2K: 1.14 Mach
* Rafale: 750 kts
7. Climb rate：
* F-22A: 350 m/sec, sea-level
* Su-35: 280 m/sec+, 1,000 m
* EF-2K: 315 m/sec+, sea-level
* Rafale: 305 m/sec+, sea-level
8. Operational Altitude：
* F-22A: 70,000 fts
* Su-35: 59,000 fts
* EF-2K: 65,000 fts
* Rafale: 55,000 fts
9. Ferry range：
* F-22A: 3,500 km (Internal Fuel)
* Su-35: 3,600 km (Internal Fuel)
* EF-2K: 2,600 km (Internal Fuel)
* Rafale: > 2,100 km (Internal Fuel)
10. Acceleration：
* F-22A: unknown.
* Su-35: 13.8 secs from 600 km/hr to 1,100 km/hr, and 8 secs from 1,100 km/hr to 1,300 km/hr（with 50% internal fuel, standard A-A configuration, and height of 1,000 m）.
* EF-2K: less than 20 seconds from 200 kts to Mach 0.9 (Twin-seaters with one 1,000 L tank and two ASRAAM, altitude unknown).
* Rafale: around 20 seconds from 300 km/hr to 1,000 km/hr at low altitude.
11. Normal upper G-limit：
* F-22A: +9.5G
* Su-35: +9.0G
* EF-2K: +9.0G
* Rafale: +9.0G
12. Thrust-to-weight ratio of normal take-off（AB / Max. Mil.）：
* F-22A: 1.17 ~ 1.30 / 0.85 ~ 0.87
* Su-35: 1.10 ~ 1.15 / 0.69 ~ 0.70
* EF-2K: 1.08 ~ 1.14 / 0.72 ~ 0.83
* Rafale: 1.02 ~ 1.03 / 0.68 ~ 0.69
13. Take-off with standard A-A configuration：
* F-22A: 244 m
* Su-35: 400 to 450 m
* EF-2K: 228 ~ 275 m（Emergency take-off）to 457 m（Normal take-off）.
* Rafale: 400 m
14. Landing：
* F-22A: unknown.
* Su-35: 650 m（with the help of braking and parachute）
* EF-2K: 500 to 700 m
* Rafale: 400 m（with the help of braking only）
15. Radar's range：
* F-22A: Tracking target of RCS = 1 m2 at the range of 200 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 375 to 440 km away theoretically --> 329 ~ 386.
* Su-35: Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 350 to 400 km away --> 307 ~ 351.
* EF-2K: Tracking target of RCS = 5 m2 at the range of 160 ~ 185 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 200 to 272 km away theoretically --> 175 ~ 239.
* Rafale: Detecting target of RCS = 5 m2 at the range of 130 ~ 148 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 114 to 130 km away theoretically --> 100 ~ 114.
16. Maximal horizontal scanning angle of Radar：
* F-22A: +/- 60 degrees
* Su-35: +/-120 degrees
* EF-2K: +/- 70 degrees
* Rafale: +/- 60 degrees
17. Capability of multiple target engagement：
* F-22A: Tracking 100 and engaging 6+.
* Su-35: Tracking 30 and engaging 8.
* EF-2K: Tracking 20+ and engagine 6 to 8.
* Rafale: Tracking 40 and engaging 4 to 6.
18. Frontal minimal RCS / Ratio of RCS / Ratio of range being detected:
* F-22A: 0.00015 ~ 0.0006 m2 --> 1 ~ 4 --> 1.00 ~ 1.41
* Su-35: 1.0 ~ 3.0 m2 --> 6666 ~ 20000 --> 9.03 ~ 11.89
* EF-2K: 0.1 ~ 0.5 m2 --> 666 ~ 3333 --> 5.08 ~ 7.60
* Rafale: 0.1 ~ 0.2 m2 --> 666 ~ 1332 --> 5.08 ~ 6.04
19. Su-35 v.s other western fighters:
* Theoretically, F-22A shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 285 to 440 km / 200 to 308 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track F-22A at the range of 29 to 48 km / 17 to 34 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, EF-2K shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 153 to 272 km / 107 to 163 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track EF-2K at the range of 150 to 256 km / 90 to 180 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Rafale shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 87 to 130 km / 52 to 91 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track Rafale at the range of 150 to 203 km / 90 to 142 km away in head to head engagement.1. Normal take-off：
* F-22A: 27,200 kg
* Su-35: 25,300 kg
* EF-2K: 17,000 kg
* Rafale: 15,000 kg
2. MTOW：
* F-22A: 28,120 kg
* Su-35: 34,500 kg
* EF-2K: 23,500 kg
* Rafale: 24,500 kg
3. Internal Fuel：
* F-22A: 9,330 kg
* Su-35: 11,500 kg
* EF-2K: 5,000 kg
* Rafale: 4,750 kg
4. Maximal Payload：
* F-22A: unknown
* Su-35: 8,000 kg
* EF-2K: 7,500 kg+
* Rafale: 9,500 kg
5. Maximal Speed, 11,000 m：
* F-22A: 2.00 Mach+ (2.25 ~ 2.42 Mach)
* Su-35: 2.25 Mach
* EF-2K: 2.00 Mach+ (2.25 Mach)
* Rafale: 1.80 Mach+ (2.00 Mach)
6. Maximal speed, 200 m：
* F-22A: 800 kts
* Su-35: 1,400 km/hr
* EF-2K: 1.14 Mach
* Rafale: 750 kts
7. Climb rate：
* F-22A: 350 m/sec, sea-level
* Su-35: 280 m/sec+, 1,000 m
* EF-2K: 315 m/sec+, sea-level
* Rafale: 305 m/sec+, sea-level
8. Operational Altitude：
* F-22A: 70,000 fts
* Su-35: 59,000 fts
* EF-2K: 65,000 fts
* Rafale: 55,000 fts
9. Ferry range：
* F-22A: 3,500 km (Internal Fuel)
* Su-35: 3,600 km (Internal Fuel)
* EF-2K: 2,600 km (Internal Fuel)
* Rafale: > 2,100 km (Internal Fuel)
10. Acceleration：
* F-22A: unknown.
* Su-35: 13.8 secs from 600 km/hr to 1,100 km/hr, and 8 secs from 1,100 km/hr to 1,300 km/hr（with 50% internal fuel, standard A-A configuration, and height of 1,000 m）.
* EF-2K: less than 20 seconds from 200 kts to Mach 0.9 (Twin-seaters with one 1,000 L tank and two ASRAAM, altitude unknown).
* Rafale: around 20 seconds from 300 km/hr to 1,000 km/hr at low altitude.
11. Normal upper G-limit：
* F-22A: +9.5G
* Su-35: +9.0G
* EF-2K: +9.0G
* Rafale: +9.0G
12. Thrust-to-weight ratio of normal take-off（AB / Max. Mil.）：
* F-22A: 1.17 ~ 1.30 / 0.85 ~ 0.87
* Su-35: 1.10 ~ 1.15 / 0.69 ~ 0.70
* EF-2K: 1.08 ~ 1.14 / 0.72 ~ 0.83
* Rafale: 1.02 ~ 1.03 / 0.68 ~ 0.69
13. Take-off with standard A-A configuration：
* F-22A: 244 m
* Su-35: 400 to 450 m
* EF-2K: 228 ~ 275 m（Emergency take-off）to 457 m（Normal take-off）.
* Rafale: 400 m
14. Landing：
* F-22A: unknown.
* Su-35: 650 m（with the help of braking and parachute）
* EF-2K: 500 to 700 m
* Rafale: 400 m（with the help of braking only）
15. Radar's range：
* F-22A: Tracking target of RCS = 1 m2 at the range of 200 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 375 to 440 km away theoretically --> 329 ~ 386.
* Su-35: Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 350 to 400 km away --> 307 ~ 351.
* EF-2K: Tracking target of RCS = 5 m2 at the range of 160 ~ 185 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 200 to 272 km away theoretically --> 175 ~ 239.
* Rafale: Detecting target of RCS = 5 m2 at the range of 130 ~ 148 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 114 to 130 km away theoretically --> 100 ~ 114.
16. Maximal horizontal scanning angle of Radar：
* F-22A: +/- 60 degrees
* Su-35: +/-120 degrees
* EF-2K: +/- 70 degrees
* Rafale: +/- 60 degrees
17. Capability of multiple target engagement：
* F-22A: Tracking 100 and engaging 6+.
* Su-35: Tracking 30 and engaging 8.
* EF-2K: Tracking 20+ and engagine 6 to 8.
* Rafale: Tracking 40 and engaging 4 to 6.
18. Frontal minimal RCS / Ratio of RCS / Ratio of range being detected:
* F-22A: 0.00015 ~ 0.0006 m2 --> 1 ~ 4 --> 1.00 ~ 1.41
* Su-35: 1.0 ~ 3.0 m2 --> 6666 ~ 20000 --> 9.03 ~ 11.89
* EF-2K: 0.1 ~ 0.5 m2 --> 666 ~ 3333 --> 5.08 ~ 7.60
* Rafale: 0.1 ~ 0.2 m2 --> 666 ~ 1332 --> 5.08 ~ 6.04
19. Su-35 v.s other western fighters:
* Theoretically, F-22A shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 285 to 440 km / 200 to 308 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track F-22A at the range of 29 to 48 km / 17 to 34 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, EF-2K shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 153 to 272 km / 107 to 163 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track EF-2K at the range of 150 to 256 km / 90 to 180 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Rafale shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 87 to 130 km / 52 to 91 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track Rafale at the range of 150 to 203 km / 90 to 142 km away in head to head engagement.
* F-22A: 27,200 kg
* Su-35: 25,300 kg
* EF-2K: 17,000 kg
* Rafale: 15,000 kg
2. MTOW：
* F-22A: 28,120 kg
* Su-35: 34,500 kg
* EF-2K: 23,500 kg
* Rafale: 24,500 kg
3. Internal Fuel：
* F-22A: 9,330 kg
* Su-35: 11,500 kg
* EF-2K: 5,000 kg
* Rafale: 4,750 kg
4. Maximal Payload：
* F-22A: unknown
* Su-35: 8,000 kg
* EF-2K: 7,500 kg+
* Rafale: 9,500 kg
5. Maximal Speed, 11,000 m：
* F-22A: 2.00 Mach+ (2.25 ~ 2.42 Mach)
* Su-35: 2.25 Mach
* EF-2K: 2.00 Mach+ (2.25 Mach)
* Rafale: 1.80 Mach+ (2.00 Mach)
6. Maximal speed, 200 m：
* F-22A: 800 kts
* Su-35: 1,400 km/hr
* EF-2K: 1.14 Mach
* Rafale: 750 kts
7. Climb rate：
* F-22A: 350 m/sec, sea-level
* Su-35: 280 m/sec+, 1,000 m
* EF-2K: 315 m/sec+, sea-level
* Rafale: 305 m/sec+, sea-level
8. Operational Altitude：
* F-22A: 70,000 fts
* Su-35: 59,000 fts
* EF-2K: 65,000 fts
* Rafale: 55,000 fts
9. Ferry range：
* F-22A: 3,500 km (Internal Fuel)
* Su-35: 3,600 km (Internal Fuel)
* EF-2K: 2,600 km (Internal Fuel)
* Rafale: > 2,100 km (Internal Fuel)
10. Acceleration：
* F-22A: unknown.
* Su-35: 13.8 secs from 600 km/hr to 1,100 km/hr, and 8 secs from 1,100 km/hr to 1,300 km/hr（with 50% internal fuel, standard A-A configuration, and height of 1,000 m）.
* EF-2K: less than 20 seconds from 200 kts to Mach 0.9 (Twin-seaters with one 1,000 L tank and two ASRAAM, altitude unknown).
* Rafale: around 20 seconds from 300 km/hr to 1,000 km/hr at low altitude.
11. Normal upper G-limit：
* F-22A: +9.5G
* Su-35: +9.0G
* EF-2K: +9.0G
* Rafale: +9.0G
12. Thrust-to-weight ratio of normal take-off（AB / Max. Mil.）：
* F-22A: 1.17 ~ 1.30 / 0.85 ~ 0.87
* Su-35: 1.10 ~ 1.15 / 0.69 ~ 0.70
* EF-2K: 1.08 ~ 1.14 / 0.72 ~ 0.83
* Rafale: 1.02 ~ 1.03 / 0.68 ~ 0.69
13. Take-off with standard A-A configuration：
* F-22A: 244 m
* Su-35: 400 to 450 m
* EF-2K: 228 ~ 275 m（Emergency take-off）to 457 m（Normal take-off）.
* Rafale: 400 m
14. Landing：
* F-22A: unknown.
* Su-35: 650 m（with the help of braking and parachute）
* EF-2K: 500 to 700 m
* Rafale: 400 m（with the help of braking only）
15. Radar's range：
* F-22A: Tracking target of RCS = 1 m2 at the range of 200 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 375 to 440 km away theoretically --> 329 ~ 386.
* Su-35: Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 350 to 400 km away --> 307 ~ 351.
* EF-2K: Tracking target of RCS = 5 m2 at the range of 160 ~ 185 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 200 to 272 km away theoretically --> 175 ~ 239.
* Rafale: Detecting target of RCS = 5 m2 at the range of 130 ~ 148 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 114 to 130 km away theoretically --> 100 ~ 114.
16. Maximal horizontal scanning angle of Radar：
* F-22A: +/- 60 degrees
* Su-35: +/-120 degrees
* EF-2K: +/- 70 degrees
* Rafale: +/- 60 degrees
17. Capability of multiple target engagement：
* F-22A: Tracking 100 and engaging 6+.
* Su-35: Tracking 30 and engaging 8.
* EF-2K: Tracking 20+ and engagine 6 to 8.
* Rafale: Tracking 40 and engaging 4 to 6.
18. Frontal minimal RCS / Ratio of RCS / Ratio of range being detected:
* F-22A: 0.00015 ~ 0.0006 m2 --> 1 ~ 4 --> 1.00 ~ 1.41
* Su-35: 1.0 ~ 3.0 m2 --> 6666 ~ 20000 --> 9.03 ~ 11.89
* EF-2K: 0.1 ~ 0.5 m2 --> 666 ~ 3333 --> 5.08 ~ 7.60
* Rafale: 0.1 ~ 0.2 m2 --> 666 ~ 1332 --> 5.08 ~ 6.04
19. Su-35 v.s other western fighters:
* Theoretically, F-22A shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 285 to 440 km / 200 to 308 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track F-22A at the range of 29 to 48 km / 17 to 34 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, EF-2K shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 153 to 272 km / 107 to 163 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track EF-2K at the range of 150 to 256 km / 90 to 180 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Rafale shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 87 to 130 km / 52 to 91 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track Rafale at the range of 150 to 203 km / 90 to 142 km away in head to head engagement.1. Normal take-off：
* F-22A: 27,200 kg
* Su-35: 25,300 kg
* EF-2K: 17,000 kg
* Rafale: 15,000 kg
2. MTOW：
* F-22A: 28,120 kg
* Su-35: 34,500 kg
* EF-2K: 23,500 kg
* Rafale: 24,500 kg
3. Internal Fuel：
* F-22A: 9,330 kg
* Su-35: 11,500 kg
* EF-2K: 5,000 kg
* Rafale: 4,750 kg
4. Maximal Payload：
* F-22A: unknown
* Su-35: 8,000 kg
* EF-2K: 7,500 kg+
* Rafale: 9,500 kg
5. Maximal Speed, 11,000 m：
* F-22A: 2.00 Mach+ (2.25 ~ 2.42 Mach)
* Su-35: 2.25 Mach
* EF-2K: 2.00 Mach+ (2.25 Mach)
* Rafale: 1.80 Mach+ (2.00 Mach)
6. Maximal speed, 200 m：
* F-22A: 800 kts
* Su-35: 1,400 km/hr
* EF-2K: 1.14 Mach
* Rafale: 750 kts
7. Climb rate：
* F-22A: 350 m/sec, sea-level
* Su-35: 280 m/sec+, 1,000 m
* EF-2K: 315 m/sec+, sea-level
* Rafale: 305 m/sec+, sea-level
8. Operational Altitude：
* F-22A: 70,000 fts
* Su-35: 59,000 fts
* EF-2K: 65,000 fts
* Rafale: 55,000 fts
9. Ferry range：
* F-22A: 3,500 km (Internal Fuel)
* Su-35: 3,600 km (Internal Fuel)
* EF-2K: 2,600 km (Internal Fuel)
* Rafale: > 2,100 km (Internal Fuel)
10. Acceleration：
* F-22A: unknown.
* Su-35: 13.8 secs from 600 km/hr to 1,100 km/hr, and 8 secs from 1,100 km/hr to 1,300 km/hr（with 50% internal fuel, standard A-A configuration, and height of 1,000 m）.
* EF-2K: less than 20 seconds from 200 kts to Mach 0.9 (Twin-seaters with one 1,000 L tank and two ASRAAM, altitude unknown).
* Rafale: around 20 seconds from 300 km/hr to 1,000 km/hr at low altitude.
11. Normal upper G-limit：
* F-22A: +9.5G
* Su-35: +9.0G
* EF-2K: +9.0G
* Rafale: +9.0G
12. Thrust-to-weight ratio of normal take-off（AB / Max. Mil.）：
* F-22A: 1.17 ~ 1.30 / 0.85 ~ 0.87
* Su-35: 1.10 ~ 1.15 / 0.69 ~ 0.70
* EF-2K: 1.08 ~ 1.14 / 0.72 ~ 0.83
* Rafale: 1.02 ~ 1.03 / 0.68 ~ 0.69
13. Take-off with standard A-A configuration：
* F-22A: 244 m
* Su-35: 400 to 450 m
* EF-2K: 228 ~ 275 m（Emergency take-off）to 457 m（Normal take-off）.
* Rafale: 400 m
14. Landing：
* F-22A: unknown.
* Su-35: 650 m（with the help of braking and parachute）
* EF-2K: 500 to 700 m
* Rafale: 400 m（with the help of braking only）
15. Radar's range：
* F-22A: Tracking target of RCS = 1 m2 at the range of 200 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 375 to 440 km away theoretically --> 329 ~ 386.
* Su-35: Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 350 to 400 km away --> 307 ~ 351.
* EF-2K: Tracking target of RCS = 5 m2 at the range of 160 ~ 185 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 200 to 272 km away theoretically --> 175 ~ 239.
* Rafale: Detecting target of RCS = 5 m2 at the range of 130 ~ 148 km away --> Detecting target of RCS = 3m2 at the range of 114 to 130 km away theoretically --> 100 ~ 114.
16. Maximal horizontal scanning angle of Radar：
* F-22A: +/- 60 degrees
* Su-35: +/-120 degrees
* EF-2K: +/- 70 degrees
* Rafale: +/- 60 degrees
17. Capability of multiple target engagement：
* F-22A: Tracking 100 and engaging 6+.
* Su-35: Tracking 30 and engaging 8.
* EF-2K: Tracking 20+ and engagine 6 to 8.
* Rafale: Tracking 40 and engaging 4 to 6.
18. Frontal minimal RCS / Ratio of RCS / Ratio of range being detected:
* F-22A: 0.00015 ~ 0.0006 m2 --> 1 ~ 4 --> 1.00 ~ 1.41
* Su-35: 1.0 ~ 3.0 m2 --> 6666 ~ 20000 --> 9.03 ~ 11.89
* EF-2K: 0.1 ~ 0.5 m2 --> 666 ~ 3333 --> 5.08 ~ 7.60
* Rafale: 0.1 ~ 0.2 m2 --> 666 ~ 1332 --> 5.08 ~ 6.04
19. Su-35 v.s other western fighters:
* Theoretically, F-22A shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 285 to 440 km / 200 to 308 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track F-22A at the range of 29 to 48 km / 17 to 34 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, EF-2K shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 153 to 272 km / 107 to 163 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track EF-2K at the range of 150 to 256 km / 90 to 180 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Rafale shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 87 to 130 km / 52 to 91 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track Rafale at the range of 150 to 203 km / 90 to 142 km away in head to head engagement.
:D 再贴一张
拿一个刚试飞几分钟的玩意，跟已经大批量服役并战备值班的玩意比，着实没什么意思！
;P F-22的最大起飞重量如果只有那么点，它挂4个600GAL干啥呀？
F-22不知道能不能带14个中矩蛋+4油箱+2格斗蛋，理论上好像可以！
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按1L的数据，F22的最大起飞重量拥还有超过1.1的推重比....;P
这种比较就好象把小白脸SU-35漂亮脸蛋露出来,与F-22,F-35,EF2000等猛男比脸蛋,却把SU-35落后不堪的生殖器藏起来不让人看
su-35那个正负120度的探测范围开什么玩笑[:a13:] 真想当预警机？
原帖由 yf23 于 2008-7-13 15:50 发表
;P F-22的最大起飞重量如果只有那么点，它挂4个600GAL干啥呀？
USAF和洛马的数据是38000KG
General Characteristics
Primary Function: Air dominance, multi-role fighter
Contractor: Lockheed-Martin, Boeing
Power Plant: Two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 turbofan engines with afterburners and two-dimensional thrust vectoring nozzles.
Thrust: 35,000-pound class (each engine)
Wingspan: 44 feet, 6 inches (13.6 meters)
Length: 62 feet, 1 inch (18.9 meters)
Height: 16 feet, 8 inches (5.1 meters)
Weight: 43,340 pounds (19,700 kilograms)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 83,500 pounds (38,000 kilograms)
Fuel Capacity: Internal: 18,000 pounds (8,200 kilograms); with 2 external wing fuel tanks: 26,000 pounds (11,900 kilograms)
Payload: Same as armament air-to-air or air-to-ground loadouts; with or without 2 external wing fuel tanks.
Speed: Mach 2 class with supercruise capability
Range: More than 1,850 miles ferry range with 2 external wing fuel tanks (1,600 nautical miles)
Ceiling: Above 50,000 feet (15 kilometers)
Armament: One M61A2 20-millimeter cannon with 480 rounds, internal side weapon bays carriage of two AIM-9 infrared (heat seeking) air-to-air missiles and internal main weapon bays carriage of six AIM-120 radar-guided air-to-air missiles (air-to-air loadout) or two 1,000-pound GBU-32 JDAMs and two AIM-120 radar-guided air-to-air missiles (air-to-ground loadout)
Crew: One
Unit Cost: $142 million
Initial operating capability: December 2005
Inventory: Total force, 91
原帖由 beck4587 于 2008-7-13 15:54 发表
F-22不知道能不能带14个中矩蛋+4油箱+2格斗蛋，理论上好像可以！
非隐身方案似乎是弹仓内6中距+2格斗，外挂8中距。不太了解油箱，如果有2中一油的复合挂架估计可以，不过这么重估计带弹降落成问题。
什么时候也能把10X/11X列上去啊？不管怎样毛子历经千辛万苦总算推出了一款“有可能”进入三代半行列的JJ，不容易啊
原帖由 schneee 于 2008-7-13 16:06 发表
USAF和洛马的数据是38000KG
General Characteristics
Primary Function: Air dominance, multi-role fighter
Contractor: Lockheed-Martin, Boeing
Power Plant: Two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 turb ...
LZ怎么把整整10吨吃了:L
因为LZ不让22外挂任何东西[:a10:]
原帖由 ericcui1 于 2008-7-13 16:09 发表
LZ怎么把整整10吨吃了:L
这表也不是我做的老外做的，而且28000的也有出处，
Jane's All The World's Aircraft 2005, 700
GlobalSecurity.org – F-22 Raptor Specifications
2楼的图很搞笑，R27之流能打战斗机么？估计只是理论上的了。而且等SU-30发现F-35估计二者相距已经在30千米左右了，射程优势管用么？;funk
看看老外是怎么说的:D
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=82323
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=82323
原帖由 ericcui1 于 2008-7-13 16:18 发表
2楼的图很搞笑，R27之流能打战斗机么？估计只是理论上的了。而且等SU-30发现F-35估计二者相距已经在30千米左右了，射程优势管用么？;funk
楼主这个是娱乐贴而已，别当真！
R77都搞不定的事，实战中十几发，零命中的R-27却能搞定，这应该算不算是本世纪加上世纪最大的笑话。
看R27那个个头，实在是匪夷所思。:L
原帖由 SSJ100 于 2008-7-13 16:20 发表
看看老外是怎么说的:D
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=82323
还老外说呢！
等哪天毛子的中距弹的实战命中率，实现从R-27以来零的突破后，再来扯谈吧！
* Theoretically, F-22A shall be able to detect / track Su-35 at the range of 285 to 440 km / 200 to 308 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track F-22A at the range of 29 to 48 km / 17 to 34 km away in head to head engagement.
* Theoretically, Su-35 shall be able to detect / track F-22A at the range of 29 to 48 km / 17 to 34 km away in head to head engagement.
原帖由 ericcui1 于 2008-7-13 16:18 发表
2楼的图很搞笑，R27之流能打战斗机么？估计只是理论上的了。而且等SU-30发现F-35估计二者相距已经在30千米左右了，射程优势管用么？;funk
第一个图在说什么没看懂吗？
还有R27也不能打战斗机了？昏倒。。。。
su 35对F-22都这么强悍，估计等俄国的四代出来，F-22就只有提鞋的份了:D
原帖由 papop 于 2008-7-13 16:24 发表
楼主这个是娱乐贴而已，别当真！
R77都搞不定的事，实战中十几发，零命中的R-27却能搞定，这应该算不算是本世纪加上世纪最大的笑话。
你这回帖也挺娱乐的，十几发不中，给个资料，学习一下，还有R27 N多种你说那种？
原帖由 风之洲 于 2008-7-13 17:14 发表
su 35对F-22都这么强悍，估计等俄国的四代出来，F-22就只有提鞋的份了:D
从表中哪里看出SU35对f22强悍了？
原帖由 schneee 于 2008-7-13 17:08 发表
第一个图在说什么没看懂吗？
还有R27也不能打战斗机了？昏倒。。。。
R27理论上是可以打战斗机的
但是
实战中至今无一战绩， 中国进口了SU27后也对R27嗤之以鼻， 其射程等数据是特殊条件下再注水两倍后得出来的，谁信谁是猪坚强
原帖由 隔夜茶 于 2008-7-13 17:19 发表
R27理论上是可以打战斗机的
但是
实战中至今无一战绩， 中国进口了SU27后也对R27嗤之以鼻， 其射程等数据是特殊条件下再注水两倍后得出来的，谁信谁是猪坚强
以前看过90年代南斯拉夫和克罗地亚其中有被R27击落一架的记录。说R27最多的就是非洲那次埃厄之间的空战，用的都是什么R27呢？SARH制导方式的..现在装配的都是红外制导的方式了，R27ET，还有ARH引导方式的，中国有ET，也有自己换的引导头，sarh的跟这没法比，射程N多种，说那种呢？
又在开毛机的批斗大会了啊~
R27确实不是啥好东西，射程和制导都不很出色（不管半主动头还是红外头的），不过也远不是LS几位回帖的兄弟说得那么不堪。何况，R27都是和麻雀同代的玩意儿了，真要打毛子也会用带冲压的R-77，虽然重是重了点，但不并是说就没资格和AIM-120比较了~
如果对上猛禽，超侧卫也许因为眼瞎挨打，对上没有流星的两风，超侧卫的BVR还真是胜算很大。
R27确实不是啥好东西，射程和制导都不很出色（不管半主动头还是红外头的），不过也远不是LS几位回帖的兄弟说得那么不堪。何况，R27都是和麻雀同代的玩意儿了，真要打毛子也会用带冲压的R-77，虽然重是重了点，但不并是说就没资格和AIM-120比较了~
如果对上猛禽，超侧卫也许因为眼瞎挨打，对上没有流星的两风，超侧卫的BVR还真是胜算很大。
比较？没什么好比较的，F-22是王者至尊，双风是左右护法，新35是初出茅庐，新手上路，还木有资本和同级别战机比较什么。
无控火箭R27也算进来了....
原帖由 dywhite 于 2008-7-13 18:47 发表
又在开毛机的批斗大会了啊~
R27确实不是啥好东西，射程和制导都不很出色（不管半主动头还是红外头的），不过也远不是LS几位回帖的兄弟说得那么不堪。何况，R27都是和麻雀同代的玩意儿了，真要打毛子也会用带冲压的 ...
新35才刚刚试飞，双风都已经服役有些年头了，发动机，航点上的差距咱们暂时不说，双风已经形成作战能力了，没有流星可以用AIM-120C7，新35还没有形成战力，甚至连批量生产都没有进行，确实没什么比较的价值。
原帖由 beck4587 于 2008-7-13 15:46 发表
拿一个刚试飞几分钟的玩意，跟已经大批量服役并战备值班的玩意比，着实没什么意思！
兄弟不要混淆新飞机和改进机的概念。新35的不少技术早就已经在各种不同的27/30改进型之间进行了N久了，两风有这个优势吗？
真要比实战能力的话，先比BVR，“已经大批量服役并战备值班的”R-77可真比没影的流星强多了；比狗斗，貌似把矢量整合进飞控的新35也不会是劣势方吧？
原帖由 racher 于 2008-7-13 18:52 发表
新35才刚刚试飞，双风都已经服役有些年头了，发动机，航点上的差距咱们暂时不说，双风已经形成作战能力了，没有流星可以用AIM-120C7，新35还没有形成战力，甚至连批量生产都没有进行，确实没什么比较的价值。
新35才试飞是不假，但新35的N多子系统呢？两风的许多数据都得自己飞出来，可不能像35那样从N多改型的27/30里面走走捷径。
两风多久可以用C7了？麻烦给个权威的消息来源，好吗？
大伙对P-77的裤衩在由白逐渐变红
原帖由 dywhite 于 2008-7-13 18:58 发表
兄弟不要混淆新飞机和改进机的概念。新35的不少技术早就已经在各种不同的27/30改进型之间进行了N久了，两风有这个优势吗？
真要比实战能力的话，先比BVR，“已经大批量服役并战备值班的”R-77可真比没影的流星强多 ...
35用到的和27一样的经过验证的技术都老了， 而新的可以拿出来说的技术却都需要之后的几年里抓紧验证，有啥可炫耀的;P
R-77这些年有啥了不起的技术进步，还和120C7比? 配么？
R-27除了样子比较帅就没啥了
TG引进R27后试射，到场的毛子专家听说靶机放开了做机动，当即哇哇大叫:D
非洲之角空战，mig29抢先对su27发射r27，没中。抢在su-27的r73之前发射r60，又没中。
原帖由 隔夜茶 于 2008-7-13 19:33 发表
35用到的和27一样的经过验证的技术都老了， 而新的可以拿出来说的技术却都需要之后的几年里抓紧验证，有啥可炫耀的;P
R-77这些年有啥了不起的技术进步，还和120C7比? 配么？
拜托兄弟看清楚再发言，我在哪篇帖子里面说77可以和C7比了？
或者你认为流星就是C7？所以于是你认为我在拿77和C7比？
纯粹从战斗力比较的话，两风比27/30强的是什么？是平台还是还是武备？是航电还是机动？
就看看两风现在实战可以使用的中距弹，BVR就没太大悬念。狗斗的话，让有料的包线党去分析，偶不想多谈啥~
su-35加大了翼载，外形没变，瞬盘比su27只低不高。而原先su27瞬盘已经不如两风。su-27和rafale的最大横滚率都是270度/秒，但阵风转动惯量小，横滚角加速度更高。