关于F-22 60度无矢量推力控制可控迎角飞行的出处

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我在Google上以60 degree angle of attach (AOA) / maneuvering / (without) thrust vectoring 进行查找,查找结果指向1999年8月-9月美空军对F-22的大迎角飞行测试。
这里是网站上公布的原文:

WRIGHT-PATTERSON, AIR FORCE BASE, Ohio (AFPN) -- The Air Force's new air superiority fighter, the F-22 Raptor, flew in excess of 60 degrees angle of attack during flight testing Aug. 25, at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., reaching another milestone and satisfying another flight-test requirement mandated by the Department of Defense.
The milestone, combined with extensive, high angle-of-attack maneuvering, completed the fourth of five flight-test criteria established by DOD and the Air Force for 1999. The flight-test criteria, along with other program requirements, must be completed successfully to demonstrate to defense department officials that the F-22 is ready for Low Rate Initial Production.

"We've met the requirement to demonstrate high angle of attack post-stall flight with thrust vectoring for the Defense Acquisition Board's program review later this year," said Brig. Gen. Michael Mushala, F-22 program director. "With only one more '99 flight-test requirement to meet, I'm confident that our team will rise to the challenge."

Mushala heads the F-22 System Program Office, which manages development of the Raptor here at Aeronautical Systems Center.

Flight-test criteria already met this year includes: flying at an altitude of 50,000 feet; opening side and main weapons bay doors in flight; and supercruise -- flying at 1.5 Mach or greater without afterburner. A fifth requirement, flight in specific, high-speed regions of the F-22's envelope, is expected to be completed before the Defense Acquisition Board convenes in December.

The DAB, chaired by Dr. Jaques Gansler, undersecretary of defense for acquisition and technology, will determine if the F-22 program is mature enough to move to the LRIP phase of building fighters that will be flown in the field by operational line pilots.

Meeting the five prescribed flight-test criteria is necessary for the board to grant full contract award for the program's first six production F-22s, or Lot 1, and advanced-buy contract award for Lot 2, which represents 10 production F-22s.

So far, the program's two flight-test aircraft, located at the F-22's Combined Test Force at Edwards have flown more than 150 sorties and 330 hours; collected more than 4,500 ground and flight-test data-points; and demonstrated flight at 7 G's. The F-22 also made its first supersonic run at 1.2 Mach with weapons bay doors open, and the engine has remained stall-free throughout the high-alpha flight envelope explored to date.

"We're delighted with the results of the high angle-of-attack testing," said Tom Farmer, director of Pratt &Whitney's F119/F-22 program. "This test demonstrates that attention to engine stability and operability in the design phase has paid off. "

A third flight-test F-22 is expected to fly early next year. The fourth flight-test F-22, the first Raptor with its advanced avionics installed, is scheduled to fly next summer. In all, there will be nine flight-test F-22s in the engineering and manufacturing development phase of the program.

The first six production F-22s will support operational test and evaluation at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev. The F-22, the Air Force's chosen replacement for the aging F-15 air superiority fighter, is being developed by ASC to counter lethal threats posed by advanced surface-to-air missile systems and next-generation fighters equipped with launch-and-leave missiles.
文中标出的红字指明了飞行测试用到了矢量推力控制(thrust vectoring)。
另外还找到一篇PDF文献,但应该出于保密原因,该文献仅给出了Title和Introduction部分

在文献中同样提到了The key components to the successful design have been the pitch axis thrust vectoring, flight control design, air-data system, and the Pratt & Whitney F-119 Engines.
因此我想提问:F-22的60度可控迎角无矢量控制飞行出处在哪儿?美国是否做过相关测试?

Reference
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-22.htm
http://www.sfte-ec.se/data/Abstract/A2000-II-02.pdf我在Google上以60 degree angle of attach (AOA) / maneuvering / (without) thrust vectoring 进行查找,查找结果指向1999年8月-9月美空军对F-22的大迎角飞行测试。
这里是网站上公布的原文:

WRIGHT-PATTERSON, AIR FORCE BASE, Ohio (AFPN) -- The Air Force's new air superiority fighter, the F-22 Raptor, flew in excess of 60 degrees angle of attack during flight testing Aug. 25, at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., reaching another milestone and satisfying another flight-test requirement mandated by the Department of Defense.
The milestone, combined with extensive, high angle-of-attack maneuvering, completed the fourth of five flight-test criteria established by DOD and the Air Force for 1999. The flight-test criteria, along with other program requirements, must be completed successfully to demonstrate to defense department officials that the F-22 is ready for Low Rate Initial Production.

"We've met the requirement to demonstrate high angle of attack post-stall flight with thrust vectoring for the Defense Acquisition Board's program review later this year," said Brig. Gen. Michael Mushala, F-22 program director. "With only one more '99 flight-test requirement to meet, I'm confident that our team will rise to the challenge."

Mushala heads the F-22 System Program Office, which manages development of the Raptor here at Aeronautical Systems Center.

Flight-test criteria already met this year includes: flying at an altitude of 50,000 feet; opening side and main weapons bay doors in flight; and supercruise -- flying at 1.5 Mach or greater without afterburner. A fifth requirement, flight in specific, high-speed regions of the F-22's envelope, is expected to be completed before the Defense Acquisition Board convenes in December.

The DAB, chaired by Dr. Jaques Gansler, undersecretary of defense for acquisition and technology, will determine if the F-22 program is mature enough to move to the LRIP phase of building fighters that will be flown in the field by operational line pilots.

Meeting the five prescribed flight-test criteria is necessary for the board to grant full contract award for the program's first six production F-22s, or Lot 1, and advanced-buy contract award for Lot 2, which represents 10 production F-22s.

So far, the program's two flight-test aircraft, located at the F-22's Combined Test Force at Edwards have flown more than 150 sorties and 330 hours; collected more than 4,500 ground and flight-test data-points; and demonstrated flight at 7 G's. The F-22 also made its first supersonic run at 1.2 Mach with weapons bay doors open, and the engine has remained stall-free throughout the high-alpha flight envelope explored to date.

"We're delighted with the results of the high angle-of-attack testing," said Tom Farmer, director of Pratt &Whitney's F119/F-22 program. "This test demonstrates that attention to engine stability and operability in the design phase has paid off. "

A third flight-test F-22 is expected to fly early next year. The fourth flight-test F-22, the first Raptor with its advanced avionics installed, is scheduled to fly next summer. In all, there will be nine flight-test F-22s in the engineering and manufacturing development phase of the program.

The first six production F-22s will support operational test and evaluation at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev. The F-22, the Air Force's chosen replacement for the aging F-15 air superiority fighter, is being developed by ASC to counter lethal threats posed by advanced surface-to-air missile systems and next-generation fighters equipped with launch-and-leave missiles.
文中标出的红字指明了飞行测试用到了矢量推力控制(thrust vectoring)。
另外还找到一篇PDF文献,但应该出于保密原因,该文献仅给出了Title和Introduction部分

在文献中同样提到了The key components to the successful design have been the pitch axis thrust vectoring, flight control design, air-data system, and the Pratt & Whitney F-119 Engines.
因此我想提问:F-22的60度可控迎角无矢量控制飞行出处在哪儿?美国是否做过相关测试?

Reference
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-22.htm
http://www.sfte-ec.se/data/Abstract/A2000-II-02.pdf
rottenweed 发表于 2015-1-3 14:58
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1410150-1-1.html

1990年YF-22的样机N22YX(发动机为YF-119)的大迎角测试 ...
我有更详细的,不过是英文资料
http://en.calameo.com/read/000365390f54161e3cb15
从这篇文章里,洛马一直在强调thrust vectoring nozzle的重要性,文中甚至把这个称为打败YF-23的决定性因素,另外发动机是YF-120不是YF-119。我非常肯定F-22能做的可控迎角绝对超过60度,我只是质疑“无矢量”这个前提到底是出自哪儿。
另:请问版主文中用红字标注是否违反“大字报”版规?
如有违反请手下留情并提前告诉我,我会编辑掉。
谢谢!
这。。。空军不会觉得美国做不到,咱中国做到了就是领先美国吧
到底60度可控有多少战术意义?还是像眼镜蛇动作那样华而不实?
我兔 发表于 2015-1-3 07:52
这。。。空军不会觉得美国做不到,咱中国做到了就是领先美国吧
我只好奇美国是否做过无矢量的试验
我兔 发表于 2015-1-3 07:53
到底60度可控有多少战术意义?还是像眼镜蛇动作那样华而不实?
大迎角可控在超机动中的作用是毋庸置疑的,但不依靠推力矢量做到60度可控的作用在哪不太了解。
另:本贴只讨论60度无矢量可控迎角的出处,无意于隔壁的争论。
请楼下自觉
1,没有无矢量60度指标的事
2,20也能达到无矢量60度
3,F22的60度是矢量的。
这是这两天在60度的血案上新出来的新东向,这三条实际上是相互矛盾的,正常的情况下三方会吵起来,但因为众所周知的原因,这三方惺惺相惜,和谐的很。他们为了一个共同的目标而努力。
大迎角可控在超机动中的作用是毋庸置疑的,但不依靠推力矢量做到60度可控的作用在哪不太了解。
另:本贴 ...
虽然这贴是你发的,但没有规矩说,楼主有权利规定讨论的范围,方向。这是论坛的规则,你给限定范围,为了什么?可以理解
F/A-18是可以的
晚上的太阳 发表于 2015-1-3 08:03
1,没有无矢量60度指标的事
2,20也能达到无矢量60度
3,F22的60度是矢量的。
你想表达什么?
我已经说了关于某争论我已经没兴趣。我只关心F22的无矢量60度的出处。
好歹我找了一下午的网页、文献、教材,至少有关那次大迎角测试都用到了矢量推力。
另外我没找到没使用矢推的相关文章。如果你有,请发给我链接我可以学习。
你想表达什么?
我已经说了关于某争论我已经没兴趣。我只关心F22的无矢量60度的出处。
好歹我找了一下 ...
出处不知道,也不关心,知道的是兔子官方是相信了,否则为什么要作为指标提并且直到最后一刻前夕,十数年没动摇过呢。
因此,除非认为兔子技术情报部门都是混吃等死的,否则嘛,那就,那就
晚上的太阳 发表于 2015-1-3 08:06
虽然这贴是你发的,但没有规矩说,楼主有权利规定讨论的范围,方向。这是论坛的规则,你给限定范围,为了 ...
你给我扣个帽子我也拦不住你,
我只是想求证或证伪一件事,又不是辩护一个事。
你给我扣个帽子我也拦不住你,
我只是想求证或证伪一件事,又不是辩护一个事。
我没有给你扣帽子的意思,我告诉你的是一个规则,那就是楼主无权规定下面说什么,往哪个方向说。
如果语气让你不爽了,向你抱歉。
晚上的太阳 发表于 2015-1-3 08:17
出处不知道,也不关心,知道的是兔子官方是相信了,否则为什么要作为指标提并且直到最后一刻前夕,十数年 ...
就不应该关心一下设定这个指标的背景和技术条件么?你觉得从源头找依据有意义还是争几百楼的水贴有意义?
晚上的太阳 发表于 2015-1-3 08:20
我没有给你扣帽子的意思,我告诉你的是一个规则,那就是楼主无权规定下面说什么,往哪个方向说。
如果语 ...
我当然知道在版规以内都允许,这是言论自由,但我想表明一下态度,做事讲依据,说话论干货,不想变成无意义的水
ericcui1 发表于 2015-1-3 08:11
F/A-18是可以的
兄逮能不能找个链接让我们了解一下,我也在找
ericcui1 发表于 2015-1-3 08:11
F/A-18是可以的
找到了,还是NASA的……
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/arms ... C.html#.VKc4xivF-_k
The system resulted in significantly increased maneuverability at moderate angles of attack and some degree of control at angles of attack up to roughly 70 degrees.
ericcui1 发表于 2015-1-3 08:11
F/A-18是可以的
额不对……这货也是个矢量验证机……
就不应该关心一下设定这个指标的背景和技术条件么?你觉得从源头找依据有意义还是争几百楼的水贴有意义?
找依据的我觉得无意义。
因为实际情况是兔子相信了,并且作为指标提出了十数年,而且我想最后时刻放弃也不是本意。
如果找不到所谓的依据,就能断定没有,因此兔子技术情报部门都是大傻的弟弟,二傻吗?
是不?
额不对……这货也是个矢量验证机……
爪机不方便。简单说一下,F/A-18的控制系统比较特别。它没有传统的迎角限制器规定一个最大迎角。而是有更复杂的飞控逻辑来处理迎角问题,所以根据具体情况某些条件下允许把迎角拉得很大。
晚上的太阳 发表于 2015-1-3 08:39
找依据的我觉得无意义。
因为实际情况是兔子相信了,并且作为指标提出了十数年,而且我想最后时刻放弃也 ...
这个指标是四代机指标还是三代机就有?J10、J11做得到吗?
晚上的太阳 发表于 2015-1-3 08:39
找依据的我觉得无意义。
因为实际情况是兔子相信了,并且作为指标提出了十数年,而且我想最后时刻放弃也 ...
出处,找出来,不然就别扯什么兔子相信了,论文、回忆录,随便找个什么出来,看看兔子业内哪个人说了,要无推力矢量在60度可控的,不然就是你搞原创了
ericcui1 发表于 2015-1-3 08:40
爪机不方便。简单说一下,F/A-18的控制系统比较特别。它没有传统的迎角限制器规定一个最大迎角。而是有更 ...
这种飞控设计是适应F/A-18这一种机型的特殊设计还是可以推广到大部分3/4代机的?
出处,找出来,不然就别扯什么兔子相信了,论文、回忆录,随便找个什么出来,看看兔子业内哪个人说了,要 ...
作为指标研究十数年,说的够清楚。要胡搅蛮缠找别人去,我不就说了一句美帝是最大输家,让你不高兴了,上来就扑,没意思。
这个指标是四代机指标还是三代机就有?J10、J11做得到吗?
三代机不要求超机动,当然没有了。10,11都做不到,眼镜蛇之类的不是可控的。要说三代机,可能SU35能有这个吧。
ericcui1 发表于 2015-1-3 08:40
爪机不方便。简单说一下,F/A-18的控制系统比较特别。它没有传统的迎角限制器规定一个最大迎角。而是有更 ...
F/A-18在大迎角状态也只是可以改平恢复,而不是说可控,这一点来说跟SU27系列没啥区别。
另外谁说没有迎角限制器的?
晚上的太阳 发表于 2015-1-3 08:57
作为指标研究十数年,说的够清楚。要胡搅蛮缠找别人去,我不就说了一句美帝是最大输家,让你不高兴了,上 ...
指标在哪里?你说有指标就有指标?
李天回忆录白纸黑字写着,里面压根就没提无推力矢量要达到60度这个说法,是你帮他发明的指标么?
看见历史发明家,询问一下都不行?感情只允许你们发明历史?
F/A-18在大迎角状态也只是可以改平恢复,而不是说可控,这一点来说跟SU27系列没啥区别。
另外谁说没有迎 ...
它试飞时曾经保持超过60度迎角并稳定飞行。也就是说只要油没用完,高度没掉完,就可以永远这么飞下去。显然和27不一样。
指标在哪里?你说有指标就有指标?
李天回忆录白纸黑字写着,里面压根就没提无推力矢量要达到60度这个说 ...
算了,因为我说了一句美帝是最大输家,让你狂怒了,上来就扑了,和你这种已经失去理智的没话可说。
晚上的太阳 发表于 2015-1-3 09:02
算了,因为我说了一句美帝是最大输家,让你狂怒了,上来就扑了,和你这种已经失去理智的没话可说。
又开始转移话题了?不敢谈你们YY的60度无矢量可控了?
还是那句话,你们拿着HIGH了几年的60度无矢量可控,是不是你们自己发明的?
呵呵,我热烈欢迎你啪啪啪的打李天院士的脸啊,网民都开始帮他发明指标了
ericcui1 发表于 2015-1-3 09:02
它试飞时曾经保持超过60度迎角并稳定飞行。也就是说只要油没用完,高度没掉完,就可以永远这么飞下去。显 ...

这个不叫高攻角可控……这叫做高攻角下稳定性好。过失速机动需要的不是能在高攻角稳定飞行,而是在高攻角下能有一定的机动能力,稳定飞行对于空战机动来说,一毛钱用处都没有,仰着个脑袋打谁呐……
比如说眼镜蛇是不可控的,是因为他到了110度会自己改平,而SU37和F22秀出来的尾冲,X31的赫伯斯特机动,就属于可控的有意义的


F22的60度迎角可控(矢量)应该没有任何问题,问题来了,我们的矢量发动机在哪?啊3的将来吗?呵呵,601玩的才是发动机不行气动补,哈哈。
这个不叫高攻角可控……这叫做高攻角下稳定性好。过失速机动需要的不是能在高攻角稳定飞行,而是在高攻角 ...
F/A-18恰恰可以做出赫伯斯特
又开始转移话题了?不敢谈你们YY的60度无矢量可控了?
还是那句话,你们拿着HIGH了几年的60度无矢量可控 ...
F22有矢量,所以你纠结F22的60度可控是不是无矢量无任何意义,因为F22有矢量发动机。

目前看我们的四代机就是无矢量发动机,所以我可以说601当年玩的才是发动机不行气动补吗?
ericcui1 发表于 2015-1-3 09:02
它试飞时曾经保持超过60度迎角并稳定飞行。也就是说只要油没用完,高度没掉完,就可以永远这么飞下去。显 ...
F-22试验中做了1-g maneuvering,稳定飞行是没有过载的吧……
zgykk 发表于 2015-1-3 09:14
F22有矢量,所以你纠结F22的60度可控是不是无矢量无任何意义,因为F22有矢量发动机。

目前看我们的四 ...
你在另外一个帖子里吹牛,说三翼面因为多了一对翼面,所以升阻比好,这个你还没解释呐?是哪个宇宙的空气动力学理论?

顺便,你脑补这么久,601什么时候说过要无矢量60度了?你是李天么?
ericcui1 发表于 2015-1-3 09:12
F/A-18恰恰可以做出赫伯斯特
类似赫伯斯特机动而已,那角度都醉了,跟31和22完全不是一个级别好吧
你在另外一个帖子里吹牛,说三翼面因为多了一对翼面,所以升阻比好,这个你还没解释呐?是哪个宇宙的空气 ...
吹个屁牛,亚跨音速三翼面和常规的升阻比差不多,但超音速由于前翼可以正升力配平所以超音速升阻比甚者优于常规。
索利达尔灭团 发表于 2015-1-3 08:01
大迎角可控在超机动中的作用是毋庸置疑的,但不依靠推力矢量做到60度可控的作用在哪不太了解。
另:本贴 ...
不口水的想法不错,但很不现实。

zgykk 发表于 2015-1-3 09:20
吹个屁牛,亚跨音速三翼面和常规的升阻比差不多,但超音速由于前翼可以正升力配平所以超音速升阻比甚者优 ...


啪啪啪啪啪啪,脸红了没?

但超音速由于前翼可以正升力配平所以超音速升阻比甚者优于常规。
zgykk 发表于 2015-1-3 09:20
吹个屁牛,亚跨音速三翼面和常规的升阻比差不多,但超音速由于前翼可以正升力配平所以超音速升阻比甚者优 ...


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啪啪啪啪啪啪,脸红了没?

但超音速由于前翼可以正升力配平所以超音速升阻比甚者优于常规。