来自各国对粽子机曝光的评论(整理集合)

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阿根廷

简要翻译:
1642 楼: 其外形相当明显与F-35相似。
有趣的是,他们似乎装备克利莫夫引擎。是中国另一个飞机引进俄罗斯的飞机发动机引擎(JF17)

1643 楼:我确定那就f-60,如果能在今年内试飞,很多人会发现你可能低估了中国的军事技术。

这图片是在2009年出现,是PS,现在可以发现跟中国新战机很相似!它的名字似乎是J-30(是一张以前网络上出现的沈4代GC图)
当2011年1月,前国防部长,盖茨访问中国,J-20首飞。目前的部长,将9月18日访问中国,会向去年一样.....F-60首飞吗?
1644 楼:这是中国研制试飞的第二种第五代飞机
1645 楼:这个帖子很给力,我建议楼主重新改主题名称,让更多的人来分析这新的中国飞机。
1646 楼:我是PS老手,我用软件做JX(指J31)三维测量对比拖车和RD-93/WS-13引擎(JF-17)枭龙比例一样,我可以确定是真的,没有PS,看相片,现在应该是准备试飞前测试检查,注意已经打开弹仓门。
1648楼:前段时间出现的模型时,我已经说了,在不久后真机就出现。现在已经现实,出现在机场地面了。
此次J31出现,让那些对中国技术能力质疑的人,发现中国战机是一个不错的选择,从J10出现时我就说过了。(看的出这小子是以前YY过买我们中国飞机的)
1649楼:很明显,有比现在我们看到的图片更清楚的。
1650楼:也许是重型的或中型,虽然不是超级隐形,但有一定隐形能力,但外形却是很美观。它似乎适合我们军队未来的三十年的理想战机,一架多用途战机,虽然没有超级机动性战,但也非常灵活,如果能购买一定数量的战机对我们来说是非常有用。
1653楼:全球有多少个国家能自主研发?有足够的资金支持研发?(指那些参与F35的国家)如果想用数十亿美元向美国换来技术是不可能的,五角大楼垄断了,为了继续保持美国技术价值,在此向致中国敬意。
1654楼:不久前,有报道称,BAE包含的的F-35信息和LM服务器遭到黑客攻击来自中国和复制有关1TB的平面信息。
1655楼:(是回复1648楼的)PE PE..有什么样的技术展示?没有见过的航空电子或任何先进功能。只是照片。它可能是一个机壳!
1657楼:航电方面我们不知道怎么样,但在这方向我对中国比对其他方面有更大的信心,但是,有一个点严重是我们购买中国战机受发动机限制。在这一点上是令人难以置信的是,他们还不能制造出俄罗斯购类似性能的国产发动机。将只能继续从俄罗斯引进,未来许多国家将需要购买第5代战机(其作战范围的大小/重量/类别)是很多国家所需求的。
1658楼:(是回复1655楼的)请给我两个中队的机壳,(是回复1657楼的)现在所看到的他们(中国)目前的成果。WS-10 和 WS 13 引擎尽管存在一些问题的,但是仍然坚定自主研发。请记住 当初Rafale 创立与通用电气 f404 发动机,欧洲战斗机 (EAP) 龙卷风引擎,也一样。解决引擎问题并不是很容易的课题 (不是不可能),只是迟早的事。
1659楼:很好。我只强调没有理由认为中国的技术是只有一个外壳。
1660楼:回复1658楼的:没错,这是一个问题的时候,很长一段时间。有很多发动机研发过程,有很多的经验。上面的例子中不适用,因为英国和法国,长期生产的现代战斗机发动机(小于他们的美国同行,但他们所做的),直到今天,中国的失败。我的观点是,所有新的发动机需要很长的时间,甚至制造好后进入试飞也要很长时间检验,但几十年来中国的跳跃式发展,我认为他们最终会得到他们的引擎WS-10/13/15进步成果,我真的希望能在别人(可能是讲英国的F35或者主研的第五代)研制与装备前成功,但至少还需要5年。阿根廷

简要翻译:
1642 楼: 其外形相当明显与F-35相似。
有趣的是,他们似乎装备克利莫夫引擎。是中国另一个飞机引进俄罗斯的飞机发动机引擎(JF17)

1643 楼:我确定那就f-60,如果能在今年内试飞,很多人会发现你可能低估了中国的军事技术。

这图片是在2009年出现,是PS,现在可以发现跟中国新战机很相似!它的名字似乎是J-30(是一张以前网络上出现的沈4代GC图)
当2011年1月,前国防部长,盖茨访问中国,J-20首飞。目前的部长,将9月18日访问中国,会向去年一样.....F-60首飞吗?
1644 楼:这是中国研制试飞的第二种第五代飞机
1645 楼:这个帖子很给力,我建议楼主重新改主题名称,让更多的人来分析这新的中国飞机。
1646 楼:我是PS老手,我用软件做JX(指J31)三维测量对比拖车和RD-93/WS-13引擎(JF-17)枭龙比例一样,我可以确定是真的,没有PS,看相片,现在应该是准备试飞前测试检查,注意已经打开弹仓门。
1648楼:前段时间出现的模型时,我已经说了,在不久后真机就出现。现在已经现实,出现在机场地面了。
此次J31出现,让那些对中国技术能力质疑的人,发现中国战机是一个不错的选择,从J10出现时我就说过了。(看的出这小子是以前YY过买我们中国飞机的)
1649楼:很明显,有比现在我们看到的图片更清楚的。
1650楼:也许是重型的或中型,虽然不是超级隐形,但有一定隐形能力,但外形却是很美观。它似乎适合我们军队未来的三十年的理想战机,一架多用途战机,虽然没有超级机动性战,但也非常灵活,如果能购买一定数量的战机对我们来说是非常有用。
1653楼:全球有多少个国家能自主研发?有足够的资金支持研发?(指那些参与F35的国家)如果想用数十亿美元向美国换来技术是不可能的,五角大楼垄断了,为了继续保持美国技术价值,在此向致中国敬意。
1654楼:不久前,有报道称,BAE包含的的F-35信息和LM服务器遭到黑客攻击来自中国和复制有关1TB的平面信息。
1655楼:(是回复1648楼的)PE PE..有什么样的技术展示?没有见过的航空电子或任何先进功能。只是照片。它可能是一个机壳!
1657楼:航电方面我们不知道怎么样,但在这方向我对中国比对其他方面有更大的信心,但是,有一个点严重是我们购买中国战机受发动机限制。在这一点上是令人难以置信的是,他们还不能制造出俄罗斯购类似性能的国产发动机。将只能继续从俄罗斯引进,未来许多国家将需要购买第5代战机(其作战范围的大小/重量/类别)是很多国家所需求的。
1658楼:(是回复1655楼的)请给我两个中队的机壳,(是回复1657楼的)现在所看到的他们(中国)目前的成果。WS-10 和 WS 13 引擎尽管存在一些问题的,但是仍然坚定自主研发。请记住 当初Rafale 创立与通用电气 f404 发动机,欧洲战斗机 (EAP) 龙卷风引擎,也一样。解决引擎问题并不是很容易的课题 (不是不可能),只是迟早的事。
1659楼:很好。我只强调没有理由认为中国的技术是只有一个外壳。
1660楼:回复1658楼的:没错,这是一个问题的时候,很长一段时间。有很多发动机研发过程,有很多的经验。上面的例子中不适用,因为英国和法国,长期生产的现代战斗机发动机(小于他们的美国同行,但他们所做的),直到今天,中国的失败。我的观点是,所有新的发动机需要很长的时间,甚至制造好后进入试飞也要很长时间检验,但几十年来中国的跳跃式发展,我认为他们最终会得到他们的引擎WS-10/13/15进步成果,我真的希望能在别人(可能是讲英国的F35或者主研的第五代)研制与装备前成功,但至少还需要5年。
以下是印巴网民的评论:

A.Rafay(巴基斯坦)
Thats COOL, Is this have similarities with j20, Looks like it!

很酷,这架和歼20类似吗,看起来像!

Tshering22(印度)
Oh another one?

Guess there are rival design bureaus competing with each other to get the government contract. It is impressive how Chinese have emulated the US style of getting bureaus (in US, companies) to compete against each other for government contracts.

Judging by this, I am thinking that it is going to be a J-20 vs J-31 showdown before PLAAF finally selects its 5th gen jet just like Boeing X-32 vs LM's X-35.

哦,另一种飞机?

我猜有几个设计局彼此在竞争获得政府合同。令人印象深刻的是,中国人模仿美国让设计局(或公司)通过竞标获得政府合同的模式。

据此判断,我认为,解放军空军在最终选择五代机前,J-20和J-31之间将会出现一场较量,类似波音的X-32和洛克希德.马丁的X-35之间的竞争。



Hyperion(巴基斯坦)
Who cares if it's a copy or not. Does it fire 'lolly pop' missiles, are bullets made up of sugar, do the bombs explode with rose petals?

谁会在意是否是山寨货。它发射的是棒棒糖导弹吗,子弹是糖做的吗,炸弹爆炸时会绽放玫瑰花瓣?

TeriShirtDaButton(印度)
New weapon in the sinochallenger arsenal

now Megaton J-31

中国武器库新添一件挑战性武器。

“百万吨级”的J-31

BlueDot_in_Space(印度)
Simple, all of them are 5th gen in look only, not in capability. US is still struggling with F35, even after making F22 and here we have china coming up with a 5th gen plane on a daily basis, LOL!

简单,全部都是五代机外观,并不具备五代机的能力。在制造了F22后,美国的F35仍然步履维艰。我们却看到中国天天推出五代机,笑!

karan21(印度)
Changing the looks of the plane itself is very complicated task, its not as easy as you say. These planes even fitted with 4.5 avionics and long range bvr and aesa radars will make a deadly machine.

改变飞机外观本身是一项复杂任务,并非如你所想那么简单。这些飞机装载有4.5代航天电子设备和AESA雷达,具备远程超视距能力,组成了致命的机器。

BlueDot_in_Space(印度)
How do you know this plane is for real?? let it fly first in an international show, then only one can assess its real capability.

你怎么知道这架飞机是真的?先让它首先在国际航展上表演,然后才能评估其真实能力。

Hyperion(巴基斯坦)
Maybe true, maybe not, however, I would give Chinese the benefit of doubt as they have pulled-off such things before!

可能是真的,可能不是。中国人以前撤消过类似项目,所以值得怀疑!

BlueDot_in_Space(印度)
Pulled off what?? J20?? it is still a prototype, can turn out to be a tech demonstrator. Nothing is known of its capability apart from its 5th gen tag, only speculations.

撤销过什么?J20?仍然是原型机,可能是技术展示样机。除了“贴有”五代机标签外,相关能力并未为人所知,只是猜测而已。

Irfan Baloch(印度)
the real question is

will it be able to fly? a Chinese or Russian engine?

will it have all its components that are immune to sanctions?
not playing down the effort but the real stuff lies beneath the surface and thats a big question mark.

真正的问题是:它会飞吗?发动机是中国制还是俄罗斯制?

所有零件均不会遭受制裁的风险?

并非要泼冷水,但真正的问题隐藏在表面之下,这是一个大问题。

Imran Khan(巴基斯坦)
china you confusing us damn which one we buy now so many choices

中国,你让我们困惑,我们该买哪一架呢,现在太多选择啦。

Zabaniya(孟加拉国)
It makes shopping more fun!

购物变得更有趣!

Hyperion(巴基斯坦)
Sometimes confuses the **** out of you! It's like making a choice between two beautiful women

有时候会让你大为困惑!就像要在两个美女之间做出选择那样难。

Esc8781(牙买加)
Developing two stealth fighters at the same time is going to be difficult though wish you all the luck plus there is one of them is longed range and one of them is on the carriers so both of them can be implemented in the South China sea. So the J-20 was in a ATF competition already nice.

同时开发两种隐形战机是困难的,不过预祝好运。此外,其中一种是远程飞机,另一种是舰载机,两种飞机在南海都能派上用场。J-20飞机已经处于先进战术战机的竞争之中,不错。

damiendehorn(孟加拉国)
OMG the Chinese are at it again with their copy n paste

哦,天啊,中国人又在玩“复制粘贴”游戏了。

Esc8781(牙买加)
At least copying and pasting is good enough to defend one's country and interests.

至少“复制粘贴”足以保卫国家和利益。

qwerrty(马来西亚)
looks like j-20 without canards

看起来像是没有鸭翼的J20

SHAMK9(巴基斯坦)
I hope PAF orders a few of these

我希望巴基斯坦空军能下订单买一些。

Najam Khan(巴基斯坦)
Its not just hardware that needs to be state-of-the-art, Avionics,weapon suite and testing are equally important.

Congratulations to China, there is still a long way to go. But as they say:"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"

不仅仅是硬件要达到最高水准,航空电子设备、武器配套和测试同样重要。

祝贺中国,不过还有很长一段路要走。正如他们所说的:“千里之行始于跬步”。

OrionHunter(印度)
J-31? Another 'J'!! How many 'J's are you guys gonna produce? J-5 to J-21 so far and now J-31. At the rate with which the Chinese are going, there would probably be J-32 to J-100 before this year is out!!

I wonder whether there would be any real radical changes in concept and design or just different paint jobs on the same platform??

J-31?又一架“歼”系列飞机!!你们这些家伙要生产多少种“歼”系列飞机?从歼5到歼21,现在是歼31。按照这种速度,中国人今年内可能会从歼32一直推出至歼100!

我想知道概念和设计上是否会有大刀阔步的改变,还是说只是同一平台上刷不同的漆而已?



karan21(印度)
One thing I like about China the most is that if it says something, it phucking delivers it on time and shocks the world. In India though small things take decades to fix and make them happen. 1 failure puts India 5 years behind, while China bounces back after a failure like a rockstar. Man I have to say, this nation can do the impossible. It can become the world's strongest nation ever.

中国让我最喜欢的一个方面是:说到做到,按时完成,然后震惊世界。在印度,小小事情需要几十年来解决,一个失败会让印度拖延5年,而中国失败后会像火箭一样反冲。朋友,我不得不要说的是,这个国家能成人所不能成,会成为世界上最强大的国家。

karan21(印度)
it doesn't matter who did it first since this is not a race, India might achieve what China achieved 10 yrs later. Usa did moon landing in 1969, so that doesn't mean the china or esa or isro won't do it in 20xx. It's about vision, thankfully both India and China have a vision to develop and compete with west and leave them behind on day.

For example, China got it's GPS in early 2000s, India is now ready to deploy one of its own within 1 year. Development is an ongoing process and Chinese economy is bigger. China became 2 trillion in 2004, While India this year will complete 2 trillion, so we are 8 years behind economically. As long as India keeps moving forward I an happy.

这并非是一场竞赛,谁先做到并不重要。印度或许会晚于中国十年完成。美国在1969年就登月了,并不意味着中国、欧洲航天局或者印度空间研究组织在20xx年不会登月。关键是愿景,多亏印度和中国有与西方竞争并将其抛在后面的愿景。

比如,中国21世纪前几年就有了自己的GPS,印度准备在一年内部署一枚自己的定位卫星。发展是一个过程,中国经济规模更大,在2004年达到2万亿美元规模,印度今年也会达到2万亿美元,所以我们经济上落后中国8年。只要印度保持前进,我就会高兴。

Oldman1(美国)
Still surprise they used a bird on there instead of a red star.

意外的是他们在飞机上用了小鸟的标志,而不是一颗红色五角星。

Oscar
This is interesting..
If that is the actual aircraft.. and the Chinese have decided to take their stolen F-35 data and literally create an adapted clone.. its an achievement in itself.
Because it signifies two very important things..
First.. that the chinese air industry is growing by leaps and bounds through whatever pathway it has chosen.. reverse engineering or not.. its allowing it to keep abreast of the worlds best in terms of aerodynamic design.

Second.. That contrary to claims by Lockheed.. there was a lot taken away from the F-35 program that is not being disclosed.
At least enough to provide exacting blueprints for the frontal section of this aircraft whose rear resembles the F-22.

So if this is called the J-31.. then the J-31 is the mashup of the F-22 and F-35..
Thats not just a copy paste.. thats the best of both worlds.

And since this is a private venture, it means.. that Chinas allies have something to smile about.

There is still a lot of work to be done in the engine bays it seems.. fairly crude.

有趣...

如果是真机,那么中国人已经决定基于偷来的F35战机数据克隆改造一架出来,本身就是一项成就。

因为它意味着两个重要方面:

首先,不管选择了逆向工程还是何种方式,中国航空工业出现了跳跃式进步,能够让其在气动设计上与世界最高水平并驾齐驱。

其次,这与洛克希德公司的声明相悖,这架飞机采用了许多F35项目还没有披露的设计,至少足以显示飞机前部的设计蓝图,尾部则类似F22

所以如果被称为J31,那么J31就是F22和F35的混搭,并不只是“复制粘贴”。

由于是私营企业设计,意味着中国盟友有了一些值得会心一笑的东西。

发动机舱还有许多有待改进的地方,看起来相当粗糙。

trendmaker1(印度)
it's j20 with modifications...
it's not a new one as china doesn't need another one..!!!
They should concentrate on j 20 to make it better...

是J20的修改版...

不是新的飞机,因为中国不需要!

他们应该集中改良J20...

peaceful(香港)
it is a new one designed by a completely different company

这是另一家公司的新设计。

Oldman1(美国)
Competition is good hence why Lockheed Martin and Boeing be fighting each other for such a project.

有竞争才好,所以会有洛克希德·马丁公司和波音公司为了获得项目而相互竞争。

farhan_9909(巴基斯坦)
paf for the sake of GOD
leave the j10b

rather wait for a few more years and take this baby

巴基斯坦空军,看在上帝的份上,请放弃歼10b

宁愿为这个宝贝再等几年。
Windjammer(巴基斯坦)
Man, that line up already looks very impressive, with the new kid on the block, Pakistan is really spoilt for choice now.

哥们,这一排飞机已经看起来令人印象非常深刻,随着这个新的“孩子”加入阵营中,那巴基斯坦就真的眼花缭乱,选择太多啦!

yesboss(巴基斯坦)
I was really expecting an exportable version of stealth generation fighter from china , smaller as compared to J20 & equiped with ws-13 engines. Does this new aircraft has ws-13 or what size of an engine . This would be really great for pakistan , the speed at which china is working on stealth fighter jets or even other military hardwares is unbelievable and enjoyable at same time . If this new baby is for real ...... then does it mean that pakistan would skip over with J-10's ?

我真的很期待中国隐形战机的出口版本,比歼20更小,配备ws-13涡扇发动机。这架新飞机是配备ws-13涡扇发动机还是什么型号的发动机。非常适合巴基斯坦。中国研发隐形战机或者其他军事硬件的速度令人难以置信,同时又令人愉快。如果这个新“宝贝”是真的,是否意味着巴基斯坦可以跳过歼10直接要这个“宝贝”?

nuclearpak(巴基斯坦)
This is going to get awfully interesting.

Looks very familiar to J-20. Some major differences I can see are:

No canards.
Nose landing gear.
And a bit on the rear end.

What is that insignia on the tail? Some squadron or centre?

BTW, anybody remember that airframe that was being transported on a truck some time back?

可能会相当有趣。

看起来非常像歼20,我发现有一些主要不同:

没有鸭翼

前起落架

尾部有点不同

尾部的徽章是什么?

顺便说下,还有人记得前段时间卡车拉的机身吗?

mylovepakistan(巴基斯坦)
chinese are astonishing the world....

中国人让世界吃惊...

HellzHere(印度)
If it is really something credible,then why isn't it coming out anywhere?
Weird colors,insignia.
Looks more like a photoshop work,no one is even talking bout it except here and some Chinese forums.
Let there be an official word or confirmation or a hint of it,before everyone starts speculating and jumping?

如果真的可信,为什么没有到处报道?

奇怪的颜色和徽章。

看起来更像是PS的。除了这里和一些中国论坛,压根就没人讨论。

在开始猜测和欢呼雀跃前,先等官方确认或者暗示吧。

UKBengali(孟加拉国)
This is exactly the type of fighter that may be offered to countries like BD for purchase in the next decade.

While it may not be up to the level of the F-22, it will wipe-out the likes of Su-30, Eurofighter and Rafales from of the skies.

It is a deliberate Chinese policy to make 3rd world countries less dependent on the West and Russia for advanced military equipment.

The Chinese are so damn clever!!!

这可能恰恰是中国未来十年供出口给孟加拉国等国家的战机。

或许没有达到F22的水平,但是会把苏30、欧洲战斗机和阵风战机逐出空中。

这是中国人的政策,即故意让第三世界国家减少依赖西方和俄罗斯的先进军事装备。

中国人太聪明了!

Stealth(巴基斯坦)
Seriously thats what i call "INDEPENDENT Military hardware manufacturer" not like India buying each and everything from USA/Russia/France/Israel!

严肃地说,这就是我所说的“独立军事硬件生产国”。印度则不一样,一切都购自美国、俄罗斯、法国和以色列!

wakapdf(巴基斯坦)
congratulations ... who cares if its innovation or copied, majority of US war machinery is copied of German ww2 tech

祝贺...谁会在意是创新还是山寨,美国大多数战争机器抄袭自德国二战技术。
我更喜欢看到些嬉笑怒骂的,这样我会觉得我的智商有优势
评论:

Anlushac11

September16, 2012 at 17:46

Not a big surprise. Iwonder how much of this aircraft is based on the F-35 data hackers stole fromUS DoD Contractor computers? China can build good designs on their own but theyare still several years behind on electronics and engines. I expect them toclose that gap rapidly too.

没什么大不了的。我想知道这架战机上有多少东西是来自被黑客窃取的美国国防部承包商计算机中的F35数据。中国有能力自己设计制造好的战机,但他们在电子和发动机领域仍然落后好多年。我期待着他们也能缩小在这方面的差距。

Maersk

September16, 2012 at 19:54

I think it is based onhacking into your azz and stealing of your virginity.

我觉得它来自于你被偷走的菊花的第一次。

vlhc

September16, 2012 at 20:52

Considering the F35 isextremely behind schedule, over budget, and under performing, if China copiedthe design then there should be nothing to worry about then?

Jokes aside, F35 is awell analyzed and proven concept, just badly implemented, the J31 could verywell be the what the F35 would look like if it was done properly

考虑到F35项目严重延期,超出预算并且表现不佳,如果中国抄袭了F35的设计那我们应该没有什么可担心的了。

上面就当时说笑话吧,其实F35有经过良好分析和验证的设计思路,只不过在实施中走了歪路。J31或许可以向我们展示F35原本应该达到的效果。

Bird

September17, 2012 at 13:11

The electronics goinginto the F35 I don’t think the chinese can recreate, it’s so incrediblyadvanced that the fact that the U.S is even trying it is idiotic. It’s notabout it not being done right, its that it is being done at all. Plus much ofwhat is pushing the F35 behind schedule is that they are trying to design everydifferent type for every country that purchased them all at the same timeinstead of building a base and sending them to that country to be changedthere. The contractors are just robbing them blind, what are you gonna dothough.

我不认为中国人有能力再创造F35的电子系统。这个系统太高端了,甚至连美国人都觉得(应用如此高端复杂的系统)太过愚蠢。这个项目并不是没做好,相反完全地做好了。另外,F35项目延期是因为洛马试图同时为每个购买F35的国家设计各自不同型号的F35;而不是设计一个基础型号,把这个基础型号交由购买国自行改进。承包商想钱想疯了,你能怎么办?

Will

September16, 2012 at 19:58

Anybody notice thedual wheels on the front strut?

Can anybody rememberwhat the PLAN recently acquired from a country?

These boys just madewhat we, here in the U.S., tried back between 1990 and 1991 with the NavyAdvanced Tactical Fighter (NATF) Project for the F-22. They made a stealthfighter that would have a primary on a carrier. This isn’t a “Could Be” momentat all. That is EXACTLY what the Chinese are doing.

This is veryinteresting… Very interesting.

有人注意到战机前起落架的双轮结构了吗?

还记得解放军海军最近从另外一个国家获得了什么吗?

这些年轻人做的和我们美国在1990和1991年间为F22实行的海军先进战术机项目中所尝试的如出一辙。他们制造一种可以在航母上有一席之地的隐形战机。这可不是说“可能是”的时候,这就是中国人现在在做的。

这个真实非常非常的有意思……我已经按耐不住了,待我去撸一发。

Jesuan

September16, 2012 at 23:05

Looks like a F35 withF22 vertical tailfins. The engines still look RD33/RD93, guess russian enginesfor its test phase just like the J20. Front gear set up lookscarrier-promising.
This plane proves how accurate former rumors in China have been…

看起来就像F35装了F22的垂直尾翼。发动机看起来像是RD33或是RD93,我猜它的测试阶段将使用俄国发动机。前轮看起来是为了上航母而设计的。

这架战机证实了中国国内之前传出的谣言是多么的准确……

kush singh

September17, 2012 at 06:46

these Chinese aresimply dump and are just thief. They only copy technology stolen from othercompanies and want possess a stupid dream of becoming a super power.

这些中国人就是垃圾和小偷。他们仅仅从其他公司窃取科技就想做愚蠢的超级大国梦。

Me

September17, 2012 at 11:03

It is spelt dumb, notdump.

If you want to becritical about something, atleast get the important words spelt correctly.

Anyway, espionage isall part of the game. Don’t forget, the US made good use of the German blueprints that were captured in WW2. Nothing wrong with that either

In terms of aviationand science, it is always nice to see something new (so to speak).

我想你要说的是愚蠢(dumb)而不是垃圾(dump)。

如果你想要严谨的讨论某些事,至少把重要的词汇拼对。

无论如何,间谍活动从来都是游戏的一部分。别忘了,美国人很好的利用率在二战中从德国人那里缴获的设计蓝图。所以说(中国人所做)也没什么可指责的。
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【翻译】老外看鹘鹰娘(二) 主页 > 文章 > 战女神 发布于 2012-09-20 00:11:58    点击:8792  评论:64  收藏:2
September 16, 2012

China unveils its brand new stealth fighter: the J-31 “FalconEagle”. But it’s a copy of the F-22 Raptor

中国公开全新的隐形战机:J31“鹘鹰”。但它是F22猛禽的山寨。

Posted by David Cenciotti in China

作者:David Cenciotti

Pictures of a previously unknown brand new fighter jet havestarted to appear online over the weekend.

这周末一架之前不为人知的全新战机的照片开始在互联网上出现。

Built by the Shenyang company, the new aircraft, could bethe answer of the aerospace firm to the Chengdu J-20, whose two prototypes havealready become quite famous across the world since the first images of thelarge, short-take off and landing stealth plane, leaked on the Chinese defenseforums about two years ago.

这架新战机由沈飞制造,可能是沈飞作为一家航空业公司对成飞秋山澪的回应,后者的两架原型机——拥有丰满身姿和短距起降能力的隐形战机——已经通过两年前在中国军事论坛爆出的无码大图而走红网络。

The new aircraft, coded 31001 (hence, believed to bedesignated J-31) it’s a sort of copy of the F-22 Raptor the most advanced (andtroubled), (multi-role) fighter jet in the U.S. Air Force inventory: same nosesection, same twin tails and trapezoidal wings along with the distinctive linesof the stealth design. Anyway, even if it has two engines, the new aircraftdoesn’t seem to feature thrust vectoring capabilities. At least on this firstprototype.

这架新战机——编号为31001(由此推测其型号应为J31)——是美国空军所拥有的最先进(也是问题最多)的多用途战机F22猛禽的某种复制品。理由:同样的前机身,同样的双垂尾和梯形主翼,还有同样的鲜明的隐身设计。无论如何,即使它有两个发动机,这架新战机似乎不具备推力矢量能力。至少第一架原型机不具备。



It has also some F-35-like features, as the air intakes andwings dimensions.

它也有一些F35的特征,比如进气道和主翼尺寸。



The J-31 is smaller than the J-20, from which it differsfor the grey paint job and the presence of a colored emblem on the tails (inplace of the typical red star) with the text 鹘鹰, Chinese for “Falcon Eagle”

J31比J20要小,并且和后者不同地采用了灰色涂装,原本垂直尾翼上应该出现红星的地方喷涂了彩色徽章以及文字“鹘鹰”,为“FalconEagle”的中文表达。

Although it’s almost impossible to say whether the newaircraft will eventually reach production phase, for sure it proves that Chinahas at least two stealth projects for future combat capable aircraft.

尽管现在还没发判定这架新战机最终会不会进入量产阶段,可以确定的是中国有至少两个隐形战机项目



Considered all the cyber attacks targeting Lockheed Martinstealth projects in the last years, one could believe Chinese hackers were ableto put their hands on some useful technical drawings of the Raptor. Still, itwould be the avionics, radar-evading features, equipment and weapons, rather thanthe shape, to make the difference in a dogfight. Unless the Chinese will buildsome thousand examples such jets.

考虑到前几年所有那些针对洛马隐形战机项目的网络攻击,可以相信中国黑客能够获取猛禽的一些有用的技术资料。不过在近身缠斗中,航电、低可侦测性,其他设备及武器比外形更能影响胜负。除非中国人可以量产千余架该型战机。
评论:

1. Ruidano (@Ruidano) - September 16, 2012

Actually the Chinese stealth fighter F-60/j-21looks like a pirate copy of the aircraft Mitsubishi ATD-X shinshin, and mostinteresting is the zero Japanese reaction on this.

事实上这个中国的隐身战机F60/J21看起来就是一个盗版的三菱ATD-X心神,最有意思的是日本人居然没有对此作出任何反应。

lol@USA - September 16, 2012

There is zero reaction because the ATD-X isjust a paper model while the J-20 is a flying prototype. Thus the ATD-X is apirate copy of the J-20

日本人没有任何反应是因为ATD-X就是一个纸上项目,而J20是一架可以飞行的原型机。因此ATD-X才是J20的盗版。

John - September 17, 2012

Good One!!

说得好!

George - September 17, 2012

I agree how fun the one who came up with a newprotoype can be accused of copying a none-existent fantasy art work.

我同意,这个家伙真有意思,居然指责一架新的原型机抄袭了一个不存在的幻想作品。

Ruidano (@Ruidano) - September 17, 2012

This has already happened with the Chinesecopy not yet presented at the time iPhone 5

这种事在中国人山寨了还未发布的iPhone5的时候也发生了。

George - September 18, 2012

Oh really, do you actually have any proof toback up your statement? And if you have not filed the patent or registered thedesign, how can you claim you invented the design in the first place?

Specially in the case, the Chinese have builta working prototype and ATD-X, whatever it is called never went beyond paperdrawing. Wow I didn’t know all the Chinese engineers are not only good but alsoPSYCHIC.

真的吗,你有任何证据来支持你的观点吗?如果你没有申请专利或是注册这个设计,你怎么能声称是你首先发明了它?

就事论事,中国人制造了一架能用的原型机,而ATD-X——无论它叫什么——一直停留在纸面上的设计阶段。哈,我还真不知道所有这些中国工程师不但优秀而且还有通灵能力。



Ruidano (@Ruidano) - September 17, 2012

In general, talking about lightweightj-21(F-60/J-31) – pirate copy of ATD-X, and NOT about heavy J-20 which has theengine from Su-30, tail from Mig-1.42, nose from F-22 Raptor…

总的来说,我是指轻型的J21(F60/J31)——ATD-X的盗版,而不是那个有着Su30的发动机,Mig1.42的后机身,F22的前机身的J20……



2. Goodgame - September 17, 2012

Saying it’s a copy of an existing plane likethe F-35 and F-22 is one thing. Saying it’s a copy of a plane that doesn’t evenexist yet is “plane” insulting.

Srly, the ATD-X is just a stealthified chibiF-15, which is itself a copy of the Mig-25.

说它抄袭了现实存在的战机如F35和F22是一回事,说它抄袭了一架甚至还未真正存在过的战机——诽谤。

严格地说,ATD-X就是一个隐形版的F15,而后者则是Mig25的复制品。

3. Paul Dean - September 17, 2012

it’s like it combine some features of thew USF-35 and the Russian PAK FA

看起来它结合了丑陋的美国F35和俄国PAK FA的一些特征。

4. Jeff - September 17, 2012

Some people need to learn the differencebetween “copy of” and “shares a similar layout because that shape works wellfor that purpose”.

有些人需要分清楚“抄袭”和“具有相似外形因为这个外形可以很好的达到想要的效果”。
精英处处有,五毛满地跑,310工程外贸前景看好
支持下
终于看完了!
还有咩...
感觉这次粽子曝光在国际上反响不那么强烈
反正世界都知道现在能挑战美帝的也就中国了
没创意啊,J31
楼主就是柔和了几个帖子啊。辛苦了
感觉没有j20出来时的惊艳啊
这个翻译工程量比较大,支持一下啊!
感谢上帝,感谢这些国际网友——无论是支持我们的,还是贬低我们的。总之,他们帮我们的SAC做了一个免费的全球性的广告,而这个广告如果让SAC自己去主动做的话,得破费不少。
巴基斯坦网友远远不如阿根廷网友热情呀。阿根廷人想抱大腿了?
楼主还有吗?再来点呗!
看到J31抄袭心神我顿时遗精了!这个太猛了!
各国已经见怪不怪了,知道兔子能逆天,看到你的逆天时也不过就哦一声。
好像在龙腾看过。。
Maersk

September16, 2012 at 19:54

I think it is based onhacking into your azz and stealing of your virginity.

我觉得它来自于你被偷走的菊花的第一次。


看到这句话,我笑喷了
(This is veryinteresting… )Very interesting
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……我已经按捺不住了 ,待我去掳一发 ……
这翻译的太狂野了把
别有一番滋味在心头
哈哈,见怪不怪...
别国吊丝的话,听听就可以,当真你就输了。这些人素质还不见得有中国吊丝高
A_Theodore 发表于 2012-9-21 08:51
感觉这次粽子曝光在国际上反响不那么强烈
在J20之后,中国人做出什么逆天的东西,西方人也不会惊讶了,J20已经击碎了他们的傲慢与无知,无奈的接受了现实
他们很关心很紧张,我们很期待。
意味着中国盟友有了一些值得会心一笑的东西。----------这句说的意味深长。
好玩的贴子,还以为是专家评论。。。
说山寨的还是很多啊。。。看来中国要造一个没翅膀的飞、机没轮子的汽车、实心的轮船、老外才能闭口啊。。。
只当是帮沈飞做广告吧。
这种帖子也算超大“喜闻乐见”的一种形式吧
前面真的是阿根廷网友的讨论?真的很了解中国啊
hopefully 发表于 2012-9-21 09:07
巴基斯坦网友远远不如阿根廷网友热情呀。阿根廷人想抱大腿了?
马岛战争是哭泣国永远的痛,要是能买到j31,轮到大阴蒂国不淡定了
反正只要看着有点像,那就是我们山寨剽窃别人的..............所以说成飞是多么的英明啊,老子就是要做出跟你们不一样的飞机,看你们还怎么说山寨剽窃
"我觉得它来自于你被偷走的菊花的第一次。
"

这句太搞笑了
总是感觉某些方面的高调是为了掩饰某些方面的低调的