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#1. no_name（台湾 新西兰）（译注：前者为国家或地区，后者为所在地）

This should settle it for allthat the plane is not a model or a museum piece. You don't need that manypolice cars for either.

这应该确定这架飞机不是一架模型或者博物馆藏品。那样的话你也不需要这么多的警车。






#2. DesertFox（巴基斯坦 美国）

The truck went by too fastgiving no more than a glimpse, not a good enough view of the aircraft.

卡车开过去太快了，仅仅瞥到一眼，观察这架飞机的视角不是足够的好。






#3. cirr（中国 中国）



What the small truck iscarrying as its load？The other parts and bitsbelonging to the plane？

那辆小货车运的是什么？属于飞机的其他部件吗？






#4.Beast（中国 澳大利亚）



The plane looks huge...Definitely not FC-1 or JL-15. It has to be something new.

这家飞机看起来很大…肯定不是枭龙或者猎鹰。应该是新飞机。






#5.Hu Songshan（中国 中国）



http://static.youku.com/v1.0.0245/v/...RtbA%3D%3D&wd=0:50-0:58 pause there.

在0:50-0:58那暂停。






#6. WS-10 Engine（中国 中国）



awesome.
j-21 indeed

棒极了。实际上是J-21






#7. homing28（香港 匈牙利）


















#8. siegecrossbow



People who claim that this isan L-15 are usually self proclaimed "experts" who never even heard ofthe plane before the J-21 showed up. Once it did and it was apparent that itwas not a photoshop - "must be an L-15".

回复#4：认为这架是猎鹰的人通常都是自封“专家”的家伙，他们在J-21亮相之前都没听过这个型号的存在。一旦亮相了并明显不是PS的作品——“一定是一架猎鹰”。






#9. SinoSoldier（中国 加拿大）



CAC is also building a smallervariant of the J-20 to compete with the J-21, and Shenyang Aircraft Corporationis also building a second medium fighter to complement the Chengdu J-20.

成飞也在制造J-20的一种小型衍生机型与J-21竞争，沈飞也在制造另一种中型战斗机与成飞的J-20竞争。






#10. tvsram1992（印度 印度）

why is it tilted ? cant theyplace it perfectly when it is some thing very special ?

它为什么被倾斜放置？它这么特殊，他们就不能放好一点吗？






#11.fly2012（中国 美国）



This is definitely Shenyang. Boy the localaccent. The lady said someone pointed a gun to her asking her stopvideo taping.

这一定是沈阳，那个男的口音。那个女的说有人拿枪指着她让她停止录像。






#12. twocents（中国 美国）



It is definitely Northeasternaccent. The woman made the comment with a chuckle and she sounded pretty light-hearted.I wonder if somebody really pointed a gun at her.
回复#11：

确实是东北口音。这个女的说话的时候还在笑，听起来相当轻松。我怀疑是否有人真的拿枪指着她。






#13. UKBengali（孟加拉国 英国）



Great going China!You are the ray of hope for the non-Westernworld.

干得好中国

你是非西方世界的希望之光。






#14. siegecrossbow（中国 美国）



The lanes aren't wide enough.Since the lanes are around 11 meters this indicate a wing-span of over 11meters.
回复#10：

车道不够宽。由于车道大约11米宽，这表明翼展要超过11米。






#15. rcrmj（中国 中国）



if goes by the tradition, itwill have its maiden flight at 1st of August,
anyone wants to bet``?? 100 RMB

如果按照惯例，它会在八一首飞，有人愿意打赌吗？？100人民币






#16. HuSongshan（中国 中国）



Alot bigger up close from theother photos it looked small.
回复#7：

从其他照片上看大多了，这看起来有点小。

I've heard of a single engineJ-20, could this be the same ?
回复#9：

我听说有一种单发的J-20，和你说的是一样的吗？






#17. siegecrossbow（中国 中国）



The closeup reveals that theflaps are still missing. Perhaps they are being transported separately justlike the vertical and horizontal stabilizers?

特写显示副翼仍然没有。或许他们像垂直稳定器和水平稳定器一样被分开运了？






#18. airuah（印度 印度）



the air craft is tilted ....noone would be transporting it like that....unless it is one of the ones thatcrashed and is being shifted....covered to prevent people from knowing.......

这架飞机被倾斜放置…没人会那样运它的…除非他是坠毁的飞机之一正在被转移…盖上是为了不让别人知道…






#19Esc8781（美国 美国）



Its canopy looks like it ismissing too.

它的座舱罩看起来也没有。






#20. amalakas（希腊 瑞典）



The aircraft is tilted becausethat way its wingspan is reduced and it can fit in a motorway safely.
I don't think it has crashed or anything. Ithink it might be a legitimate prototype.
The canopy is also missing ofcourse. perhaps itis not even at flying stage so the cockpit may not yet be outfitted.

飞机被倾斜放置是因为这样就可以减少翼展，能安全的在高速公路上运输。

我不认为它是坠毁了或者什么，我认为是一架合理的原型机。

座舱盖当然也不见了，或许是因为它还没到试飞的阶段所以驾驶舱还没有装配。






#21. siegecrossbow



It is also missing thestabilizers and possibly the engines. I personally believe that this is more ofa static testing model since the truck carrying it was going to Yanliang, wheresuch tests are normally performed.
The legitimate flight capable prototype willsupposedly fly in August. Whether the first flight will coincide with August1st is any one's guess.
回复#20：

平衡器，或许发动机都没有。我个人相信这更可能是静态测验，因为卡车要把它运到阎良。这样的实验通常在那进行。

能飞的合适的原型机估计八月能试飞。首飞是否正好在八月一号只是某些人猜测。



Hey this F-35 must've crashedtoo... They are covering it up so no one would know and the darn Aussies fromAir power Australia won't blabber about it:
回复#18：

嘿，这架F-35也一定坠毁了…他们把它包起来这样就没人会知道，然后那些澳大利亚Air power杂志的家伙就不会对它说三道四了。







#22. Aeronaut（巴基斯坦 巴基斯坦）



I am beginning to think thatthis Aircraft would be a Multirole fighter , maybe along the same size as theF/A 18 Super hornet.

我开始认为那架飞机是一种多用途战斗机…或许就像F/A18超级大黄蜂一样的尺寸。






#23. SinoSoldier（中国 加拿大）



GUESS WHO WON EURO 2012?

猜猜谁能在2012欧洲杯夺冠？






#24. gambit（美国 美国）



Moving parts are usuallyremoved for transport, especially ground. Even if a moving part like an aileronis mechanically 'locked' in place, the risk of damage during transport is stilltoo great, financially or otherwise, to bear at destination. Besides,hydraulically activated parts often 'droop' in the absence of hydraulicpressure -- by their own weight, all the more reasons to take them off theaircraft and install them at destination. Stabilators -- take them all off if possible.Same for assorted protrusions like antennas and air data probes. Maintenancetime to install them is far far far cheaper than manufacture new ones.
回复#17：

活动部件通常运输的时候要拆掉，特别是地面运输。即使像副翼那样的活动零件也是机械地“固定”在飞机上，运输过程中破坏的风险仍然非常大，经济上的，或者否则，收受方会很悲催。另外能变形的活动部件经常在缺少液压的情况下“下垂”——由于自重，因为所有的更多的原因，要把他们从飞机上拆下来，再在目的地装上。全动平尾，如果可能的话都要拿下来。各式各样的突出物也一样，比如天线和大气数据探针。比起制造新的部件，维护时间将他们装配起来要便宜的多的多的多。






#25. nabil_05（巴基斯坦 巴基斯坦）



Likely date of first flight wasgiven September 2012, seems to be on track so far, but this appears to be quitesimilar to the mockup on Huitong's page so i would assume it is J-21, aShangyang project to complement the Chengdu J-20, what is also beingmanufactured at Chengdu is a single engine stealth fighter following the F-35philosophy, might or might not be inducted by PLAAF but aimed at export. Thisis truly amazing pace of advanced stealth technology development by China! Amazinghow a promising, rising economy can benefit a country. border=0 title=Smile class=inlineimg v:shapes="_x0000_i1027">

首飞的日子很可能定在2012年九月，到目前为止似乎一切都走上正轨了，但是这看起来很像Huitong上的实物模型，所以我假定它是J-21，沈飞和成飞J-20竞争的项目，后者也在成都制造单发隐形战斗机，顺着F-35的理念，可能会也可能不会被PLA空军列装，但是目标用于出口。这真是中国先进隐形技术令人振惊的一步！充满希望的，上升的经济怎样使一个国家得益令人震惊。

http://cnair.top81.cn/J-20_J-21.htm






#26.no_name（台湾 新西兰）



The J-20 picture on Huitong'spage is the exact same wrapped plane as this one.

Huitong上的J-20照片与这个上的包裹的飞机基本一样。






#27.lcloo（马来西亚 马来西亚）



I think you meant to type J-21instead of J-20.
回复#26：

我认为你想说的是J-21 ，不是J-20






#28.IceCold（巴基斯坦 巴基斯坦）



If only our economy was in abetter shape and if wishes were horses, i would love to see PAF becomingpartner in one of these projects. Imagine the technical know how the PAFengineers would get just by associating themselves with a project like thiseven if we don't have much of our own to contribute.
Forget the J-10, PAF should start focusing onthis bird. F-16 and JF-17 are sufficient till then. We don't need anotherplatform that adds little to nothing to the existing capabilities of PAF..

如果我们的经济状况更好，如果愿望能实现的话，我很乐意看到巴基斯坦空军是这些项目之一的合作伙伴。想象一下巴基斯坦空军工程师仅仅通过让他们自己参与这样的一个工程会学到怎样的专业技术，虽然我们没多少可以贡献的。

忘掉J-10吧，巴基斯坦空军应该开始关注这只大鸟。F-16和JF-17在那之前足够用了。我们不需要对加强巴基斯坦空军现有力量没什么效果的另一个平台。






#29. siegecrossbow（中国 美国）



I don't see how economy will bean issue. I think a lot of Pakistanis engineers are already working at Chengdu anyways on theJF-17 related developments. Don't see anything wrong with sending more to Shenyang, with thepossible issue of longer flight time.

我不认为经济是个问题。我认为许多巴基斯坦工程师已经在成都做和JF-17相关的研发工作。不要看把更多的人送去沈阳的问题了，送去那可能要花更长的飞行时间。






#30.no_name（台湾 新西兰）



Lol yeah the J-21 my bad.
btw edit button seems to be missing.
回复#27：

Lol，是J-21，我的错顺便说一下，编辑按钮貌似找不到了






#31.IceCold（巴基斯坦 巴基斯坦）



I was talking more in sense ofjoin collaboration same like JF-17 even if we don't have much to contribute.
回复#29：

我讲的更多是关于参与合作的意向就像JF-17一样，虽然我们没有太多帮得上的。




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#1. no_name（台湾 新西兰）（译注：前者为国家或地区，后者为所在地）

This should settle it for allthat the plane is not a model or a museum piece. You don't need that manypolice cars for either.

这应该确定这架飞机不是一架模型或者博物馆藏品。那样的话你也不需要这么多的警车。






#2. DesertFox（巴基斯坦 美国）

The truck went by too fastgiving no more than a glimpse, not a good enough view of the aircraft.

卡车开过去太快了，仅仅瞥到一眼，观察这架飞机的视角不是足够的好。






#3. cirr（中国 中国）



What the small truck iscarrying as its load？The other parts and bitsbelonging to the plane？

那辆小货车运的是什么？属于飞机的其他部件吗？






#4.Beast（中国 澳大利亚）



The plane looks huge...Definitely not FC-1 or JL-15. It has to be something new.

这家飞机看起来很大…肯定不是枭龙或者猎鹰。应该是新飞机。






#5.Hu Songshan（中国 中国）



http://static.youku.com/v1.0.0245/v/...RtbA%3D%3D&wd=0:50-0:58 pause there.

在0:50-0:58那暂停。






#6. WS-10 Engine（中国 中国）



awesome.
j-21 indeed

棒极了。实际上是J-21






#7. homing28（香港 匈牙利）


















#8. siegecrossbow



People who claim that this isan L-15 are usually self proclaimed "experts" who never even heard ofthe plane before the J-21 showed up. Once it did and it was apparent that itwas not a photoshop - "must be an L-15".

回复#4：认为这架是猎鹰的人通常都是自封“专家”的家伙，他们在J-21亮相之前都没听过这个型号的存在。一旦亮相了并明显不是PS的作品——“一定是一架猎鹰”。






#9. SinoSoldier（中国 加拿大）



CAC is also building a smallervariant of the J-20 to compete with the J-21, and Shenyang Aircraft Corporationis also building a second medium fighter to complement the Chengdu J-20.

成飞也在制造J-20的一种小型衍生机型与J-21竞争，沈飞也在制造另一种中型战斗机与成飞的J-20竞争。






#10. tvsram1992（印度 印度）

why is it tilted ? cant theyplace it perfectly when it is some thing very special ?

它为什么被倾斜放置？它这么特殊，他们就不能放好一点吗？






#11.fly2012（中国 美国）



This is definitely Shenyang. Boy the localaccent. The lady said someone pointed a gun to her asking her stopvideo taping.

这一定是沈阳，那个男的口音。那个女的说有人拿枪指着她让她停止录像。






#12. twocents（中国 美国）



It is definitely Northeasternaccent. The woman made the comment with a chuckle and she sounded pretty light-hearted.I wonder if somebody really pointed a gun at her.
回复#11：

确实是东北口音。这个女的说话的时候还在笑，听起来相当轻松。我怀疑是否有人真的拿枪指着她。






#13. UKBengali（孟加拉国 英国）



Great going China!You are the ray of hope for the non-Westernworld.

干得好中国

你是非西方世界的希望之光。






#14. siegecrossbow（中国 美国）



The lanes aren't wide enough.Since the lanes are around 11 meters this indicate a wing-span of over 11meters.
回复#10：

车道不够宽。由于车道大约11米宽，这表明翼展要超过11米。






#15. rcrmj（中国 中国）



if goes by the tradition, itwill have its maiden flight at 1st of August,
anyone wants to bet``?? 100 RMB

如果按照惯例，它会在八一首飞，有人愿意打赌吗？？100人民币






#16. HuSongshan（中国 中国）



Alot bigger up close from theother photos it looked small.
回复#7：

从其他照片上看大多了，这看起来有点小。

I've heard of a single engineJ-20, could this be the same ?
回复#9：

我听说有一种单发的J-20，和你说的是一样的吗？






#17. siegecrossbow（中国 中国）



The closeup reveals that theflaps are still missing. Perhaps they are being transported separately justlike the vertical and horizontal stabilizers?

特写显示副翼仍然没有。或许他们像垂直稳定器和水平稳定器一样被分开运了？






#18. airuah（印度 印度）



the air craft is tilted ....noone would be transporting it like that....unless it is one of the ones thatcrashed and is being shifted....covered to prevent people from knowing.......

这架飞机被倾斜放置…没人会那样运它的…除非他是坠毁的飞机之一正在被转移…盖上是为了不让别人知道…






#19Esc8781（美国 美国）



Its canopy looks like it ismissing too.

它的座舱罩看起来也没有。






#20. amalakas（希腊 瑞典）



The aircraft is tilted becausethat way its wingspan is reduced and it can fit in a motorway safely.
I don't think it has crashed or anything. Ithink it might be a legitimate prototype.
The canopy is also missing ofcourse. perhaps itis not even at flying stage so the cockpit may not yet be outfitted.

飞机被倾斜放置是因为这样就可以减少翼展，能安全的在高速公路上运输。

我不认为它是坠毁了或者什么，我认为是一架合理的原型机。

座舱盖当然也不见了，或许是因为它还没到试飞的阶段所以驾驶舱还没有装配。






#21. siegecrossbow



It is also missing thestabilizers and possibly the engines. I personally believe that this is more ofa static testing model since the truck carrying it was going to Yanliang, wheresuch tests are normally performed.
The legitimate flight capable prototype willsupposedly fly in August. Whether the first flight will coincide with August1st is any one's guess.
回复#20：

平衡器，或许发动机都没有。我个人相信这更可能是静态测验，因为卡车要把它运到阎良。这样的实验通常在那进行。

能飞的合适的原型机估计八月能试飞。首飞是否正好在八月一号只是某些人猜测。



Hey this F-35 must've crashedtoo... They are covering it up so no one would know and the darn Aussies fromAir power Australia won't blabber about it:
回复#18：

嘿，这架F-35也一定坠毁了…他们把它包起来这样就没人会知道，然后那些澳大利亚Air power杂志的家伙就不会对它说三道四了。







#22. Aeronaut（巴基斯坦 巴基斯坦）



I am beginning to think thatthis Aircraft would be a Multirole fighter , maybe along the same size as theF/A 18 Super hornet.

我开始认为那架飞机是一种多用途战斗机…或许就像F/A18超级大黄蜂一样的尺寸。






#23. SinoSoldier（中国 加拿大）



GUESS WHO WON EURO 2012?

猜猜谁能在2012欧洲杯夺冠？






#24. gambit（美国 美国）



Moving parts are usuallyremoved for transport, especially ground. Even if a moving part like an aileronis mechanically 'locked' in place, the risk of damage during transport is stilltoo great, financially or otherwise, to bear at destination. Besides,hydraulically activated parts often 'droop' in the absence of hydraulicpressure -- by their own weight, all the more reasons to take them off theaircraft and install them at destination. Stabilators -- take them all off if possible.Same for assorted protrusions like antennas and air data probes. Maintenancetime to install them is far far far cheaper than manufacture new ones.
回复#17：

活动部件通常运输的时候要拆掉，特别是地面运输。即使像副翼那样的活动零件也是机械地“固定”在飞机上，运输过程中破坏的风险仍然非常大，经济上的，或者否则，收受方会很悲催。另外能变形的活动部件经常在缺少液压的情况下“下垂”——由于自重，因为所有的更多的原因，要把他们从飞机上拆下来，再在目的地装上。全动平尾，如果可能的话都要拿下来。各式各样的突出物也一样，比如天线和大气数据探针。比起制造新的部件，维护时间将他们装配起来要便宜的多的多的多。






#25. nabil_05（巴基斯坦 巴基斯坦）



Likely date of first flight wasgiven September 2012, seems to be on track so far, but this appears to be quitesimilar to the mockup on Huitong's page so i would assume it is J-21, aShangyang project to complement the Chengdu J-20, what is also beingmanufactured at Chengdu is a single engine stealth fighter following the F-35philosophy, might or might not be inducted by PLAAF but aimed at export. Thisis truly amazing pace of advanced stealth technology development by China! Amazinghow a promising, rising economy can benefit a country. border=0 title=Smile class=inlineimg v:shapes="_x0000_i1027">

首飞的日子很可能定在2012年九月，到目前为止似乎一切都走上正轨了，但是这看起来很像Huitong上的实物模型，所以我假定它是J-21，沈飞和成飞J-20竞争的项目，后者也在成都制造单发隐形战斗机，顺着F-35的理念，可能会也可能不会被PLA空军列装，但是目标用于出口。这真是中国先进隐形技术令人振惊的一步！充满希望的，上升的经济怎样使一个国家得益令人震惊。

http://cnair.top81.cn/J-20_J-21.htm






#26.no_name（台湾 新西兰）



The J-20 picture on Huitong'spage is the exact same wrapped plane as this one.

Huitong上的J-20照片与这个上的包裹的飞机基本一样。






#27.lcloo（马来西亚 马来西亚）



I think you meant to type J-21instead of J-20.
回复#26：

我认为你想说的是J-21 ，不是J-20






#28.IceCold（巴基斯坦 巴基斯坦）



If only our economy was in abetter shape and if wishes were horses, i would love to see PAF becomingpartner in one of these projects. Imagine the technical know how the PAFengineers would get just by associating themselves with a project like thiseven if we don't have much of our own to contribute.
Forget the J-10, PAF should start focusing onthis bird. F-16 and JF-17 are sufficient till then. We don't need anotherplatform that adds little to nothing to the existing capabilities of PAF..

如果我们的经济状况更好，如果愿望能实现的话，我很乐意看到巴基斯坦空军是这些项目之一的合作伙伴。想象一下巴基斯坦空军工程师仅仅通过让他们自己参与这样的一个工程会学到怎样的专业技术，虽然我们没多少可以贡献的。

忘掉J-10吧，巴基斯坦空军应该开始关注这只大鸟。F-16和JF-17在那之前足够用了。我们不需要对加强巴基斯坦空军现有力量没什么效果的另一个平台。






#29. siegecrossbow（中国 美国）



I don't see how economy will bean issue. I think a lot of Pakistanis engineers are already working at Chengdu anyways on theJF-17 related developments. Don't see anything wrong with sending more to Shenyang, with thepossible issue of longer flight time.

我不认为经济是个问题。我认为许多巴基斯坦工程师已经在成都做和JF-17相关的研发工作。不要看把更多的人送去沈阳的问题了，送去那可能要花更长的飞行时间。






#30.no_name（台湾 新西兰）



Lol yeah the J-21 my bad.
btw edit button seems to be missing.
回复#27：

Lol，是J-21，我的错顺便说一下，编辑按钮貌似找不到了






#31.IceCold（巴基斯坦 巴基斯坦）



I was talking more in sense ofjoin collaboration same like JF-17 even if we don't have much to contribute.
回复#29：

我讲的更多是关于参与合作的意向就像JF-17一样，虽然我们没有太多帮得上的。




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