Pupu 在印度防务论坛被批臭了

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哈哈,在人家伤口上拉泡屎,人家能不叫嘛!


:D
能不被批吗:D

要大大滴打击A3的心理
楼主这不是典型的挑动群众斗群众嘛。
楼主在那里也是个名人啦D
如果有印度人在中国论坛上嘲讽飞豹,估计也是激起板砖与唾沫横飞, 立场决定态度,屁股指挥大脑, 各国劳动人民都差不多, 没啥大不了的。
不怪人批,这不是挑衅吗!:D
各国知识分子也差不多。
楼主还是低调点啦,知道了自己暗爽就行了,不要去刺激人家幼小的心里啦:D
MKI是很强地~~要天天讲!!!;P
要低调,要低调,印度现在应该还是很热的,所以A3们火气肯定大;P ;P ;P
还打算去戏弄一下阿三呢
结果人家删贴了
没有删,网址是http://www.indiandefenceforum.com/index.php/topic,419.700.html
楼主给的网址有错误,在顶置第一贴的36页开始看。
原帖由 白云居士 于 2007-9-5 18:14 发表
如果有印度人在中国论坛上嘲讽飞豹,估计也是激起板砖与唾沫横飞, 立场决定态度,屁股指挥大脑, 各国劳动人民都差不多, 没啥大不了的。


看来你没上过,印度防务论坛吧;P

去年咱们论坛的“波涛汹涌”网友(此网友的签名是个蹦蹦跳跳的波涛汹涌MM),曾经和印度网友大战;P

印度网友自信满满,不过脾气要比美国军网上的美粪好多了:D

“波涛汹涌”网友,有理有利有节有图的打击,曾经一度严重伤害了印度人民;P  后来铁血的FF闻讯而来,有段时间印度防务论坛有一半贴子都是的FF发的,结果印度人抓住时机终于有找回点面子;P
原帖由 萨达姆·侯赛因 于 2007-9-5 18:28 发表


看来你没上过,印度防务论坛吧;P

去年咱们论坛的“波涛汹涌”网友(此网友的签名是个蹦蹦跳跳的波涛汹涌MM),曾经和印度网友大战;P

印度网友自信满满,不过脾气要比美国军网上的美粪好多了:D

...

“波涛汹涌”?
在他IDF上的ID是什么?
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嗯,好像有点映像,就是那个大波波娃哈,好像在跳绳湿地:D
原帖由 iscp 于 2007-9-5 18:35 发表
嗯,好像有点映像,就是那个大波波娃哈,好像在跳绳湿地:D


对对就是他
原帖由 萨达姆·侯赛因 于 2007-9-5 18:28 发表


看来你没上过,印度防务论坛吧;P

去年咱们论坛的“波涛汹涌”网友(此网友的签名是个蹦蹦跳跳的波涛汹涌MM),曾经和印度网友大战;P

印度网友自信满满,不过脾气要比美国军网上的美粪好多了:D

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我是没去过印度人的场子,有闲工夫去陪A3玩的人确实兴致不一般的高啊,
美国那边的场子上老美们是冲一点,不过他们是百年军事超强惯出来的,没办法,美国的军迷确实比其它国家的幸福一些,就算是装牛也有装的资本
rockdog
我在想不如找一帮弟兄去IDF玩玩吧
我正好这两天没什么工作要做,闲着也闲着:D
原帖由 萨达姆·侯赛因 于 2007-9-5 18:36 发表


对对就是他

记得,但似乎有段时间没见了
召唤PUPU,前往印坛亮剑。
每次看A3论坛都可以看到lz,混的真是久啊 PFPF[:a6:]
原帖由 adfi 于 2007-9-5 18:51 发表
召唤PUPU,前往印坛亮剑。



This might be some bored teenager pretending to be an expert. the style of writing and the naivity of the comments show that the guy aint no aeronautical expert. ;funk :L


召唤PUPU,前往印坛亮剑
原帖由 萨达姆·侯赛因 于 2007-9-5 18:56 发表



This might be some bored teenager pretending to be an expert. the style of writing and the naivity of the comments show that the guy aint no aeronautical expert. ;funk :L


召唤PUPU,前 ...


差不多,外国论坛的专业性不强。
原帖由 大圈 于 2007-9-5 18:04 发表
能不被批吗:D

要大大滴打击A3的心理

:handshake :handshake :victory: ;P
谁让以前人家PU爷在印度公干的时候,那些印度MM没伺候好人家呢!;P
原帖由 rockdog 于 2007-9-5 17:59 发表
我把pupu关于mki的观点翻译了最重要的几条贴了过去,那边的a3大佬都跳脚了,正疯狂批判中 (说什么的都有,妒忌论 bullshit论...).

哥们谁专业英文好的,过去搭把手? 同时希望pupu能有些观点反驳他们.

View ab ...

:handshake :handshake :victory:
希望老大们过去搭把手
原帖由 qianjizhao 于 2007-9-5 18:38 发表
rockdog
我在想不如找一帮弟兄去IDF玩玩吧
我正好这两天没什么工作要做,闲着也闲着:D



欢迎欢迎, 我在那边战斗了1年了.

希望多谢超大的专业fans过去,我们那边的哥们用英文谈论起技术来很是欠火候.只能在意识形态和国际占领上和他们较量
原帖由 萨达姆·侯赛因 于 2007-9-5 18:56 发表



This might be some bored teenager pretending to be an expert. the style of writing and the naivity of the comments show that the guy aint no aeronautical expert. ;funk :L


召唤PUPU,前 ...

pupu在这里被人骂装菜,在那边被人骂冒充专家,真是可怜啊~~;P ;P ;P ;P
其实国内网友总认为阿3自认为他们胜了1962年战争; 其实根据我在idf的经验,100%的阿三还是承认自己败的很惨,而且认为中国还占着他们的aksai chin, 以及巴铁转交给我们的2000平方公里 kashmir的土地.
原帖由 iscp 于 2007-9-5 18:28 发表
没有删,网址是http://www.indiandefenceforum.com/index.php/topic,419.700.html
楼主给的网址有错误,在顶置第一贴的36页开始看。

兄弟說的正確 :handshake

1樓的地址結果就是:

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原帖由 萨达姆·侯赛因 于 2007-9-5 18:28 发表


看来你没上过,印度防务论坛吧;P

去年咱们论坛的“波涛汹涌”网友(此网友的签名是个蹦蹦跳跳的波涛汹涌MM),曾经和印度网友大战;P

印度网友自信满满,不过脾气要比美国军网上的美粪好多了:D

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那哥们在idf上叫 badguy2000, 现在还很活跃呢.我们在idf上的哥们还有自己的群
不整PUPU天理难容啊...........:( 不过米想到是A3来帮偶们整的.
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This Chinese guy working in Sino-Russia Su-30mkk project for yrs, and also visited in India.这家伙中,在工作中,俄罗斯的苏30mkk项目岁,还参观了印度。
( http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread. ... =%2Bpupu&page=1 ) ( http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread. ... xtra=&highlight = % & 2bpupu页= 1 )

Now i translate some major points from him, hope Indian friends would help me to judge which are rite or wrong, thx in advance:现在我把一些要点,由他希望印度的朋友会帮助我来判断哪些是祭典或错,通过thx提前:

1. 1 . The price of whole MKI project shifted many times:价格mki整个项目转向多次:
$1.45billion $1.85billion $2.25billion $2.45billion $8.5billion元元1.45billion网民元2.25billion元2.45billion $ 8.5billion


2. 2 . MKK is mainly bomer/attacker, MKI's purppose is confusing:十一日是主要波默尔/攻击, mki的purppose令人困惑:
MKK into services in 2000, same yr it capable for precision attacking; Su-30k into IAF service in 1997, but 2004 was the first time for precision strike testing (7 yrs after into service), also recently MKI tested anti-ship missile, such role should belongs to IN not IAF.十一日到服务, 2000年同里亚尔,它能够精确攻击;苏30k到宇航服务, 1997年,但2004年首次精确打击测试( 7岁后投入服务) ,最近也mki测试反舰导弹这种作用应属于不宇航联合会。 If it's fighter, so far the MKI still didn't completed the OVT intergration.如果它的战机,但至今mki仍然没有完成整合素。

4. 4 . 2000.12.28 India sign joint production agreement with Russia for 140 MKIs by HAL; But HAL failed to produce most part of components and cozed the total cost higher by $0.35billion. 2000.12.28印度签署合资生产协议,俄罗斯为140 mkis由热风;但斯坦未能出示部份元件和cozed总成本较高元0.35billion 。

DORO and CAG released the report said the total cost became twice than direct purchasing from Russia.警卫和cag发表报告说,总成本成了两次比直接采购来自俄罗斯。 Finally, HAL gave up production by assmbly.最后,热风放弃生产组装。

5. 5 . IAF initially chose Mirage2000-5 not MKI, but Russia used lots of "underground tricky".宇航最初选择mirage2000 -5 mki没有,但俄罗斯利用地段的"地下棘手" 。 IAF used to start purchasing 128 Mig-2000-5, it's the prestory of M-MRCA project.用宇航开始购买128架米格- 2000 - 5 ,它的prestory的m mrca项目。

6. 6 . IAPO refused to provide digital interface to Israel and French companies for MKI upgration, bcoz it want earn money for Russian companies. iapo拒绝提供数字接口,以色列和法国的公司mki升级, bcoz它想赚钱,为俄罗斯公司。

7. 7 . India purchsed the first batch of precision attack weapon in 2004 (missiles and equipments), which means since 1997 Su-30 lack of precision attacking abilities for 7 yrs.印度购买的第一批精确打击武器,在2004年(导弹和设备) ,这意味着自1997年苏-30缺乏精确攻击能力,为7岁。

8. 8 . After first batch of Su-30k arrived India, IAF found some of them r in fact Su--27UB with Su-30 paint.经过首批苏30k抵达印度,宇航发现,其中有些研究事实上粟-种与苏- 30油漆。

9. 9 . When first batch of Su-30K arrvied India, the deal didn't include weapn.当首批苏30k arrvied印度,交易不包括weapn 。
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kool.库尔。 So how com he knows so much about MKI.那么怎么com他知道这么多约mki 。 But he didn't make a single comment on performance of MKI.但他没有作评论,单就表现mki 。

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5. 5 . IAF initially chose Mirage2000-5 not MKI, but Russia used lots of "underground tricky".宇航最初选择mirage2000 -5 mki没有,但俄罗斯利用地段的"地下棘手" 。 IAF used to start purchasing 128 Mig-2000-5, it's the prestory of M-MRCA project.用宇航开始购买128架米格- 2000 - 5 ,它的prestory的m mrca项目。

wait, MKI was found to be cheaper than  Mirage 2000-5.等待, mki发现更便宜,比幻影2000-5 。 Even the dumbest fool can tell that MKI has more potential than Mirage 2K-5 with that kind of integration.即使是最笨的笨蛋可以告诉mki有更多潜力比幻影的2k 5那种融合。

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This Chinese guy working in Sino-Russia Su-30mkk project for yrs, and also visited in India.这家伙中,在工作中,俄罗斯的苏30mkk项目岁,还参观了印度。
wow, he got lot of info by visiting india.哇,他得到很多信息,出访印度。

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6. 6 . IAPO refused to provide digital interface to Israel and French companies for MKI upgration, bcoz it want earn money for Russian companies. iapo拒绝提供数字接口,以色列和法国的公司mki升级, bcoz它想赚钱,为俄罗斯公司。
But Israeli & French Systems are present in MKI.但以色列与法国的系统目前在mki 。

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7. 7 . India purchsed the first batch of precision attack weapon in 2004 (missiles and equipments), which means since 1997 Su-30 lack of precision attacking abilities for 7 yrs.印度购买的第一批精确打击武器,在2004年(导弹和设备) ,这意味着自1997年苏-30缺乏精确攻击能力,为7岁。

India doesn't reveal these purchases in public domain.印度没有透露购买这些在公共领域。 I would be happy to know how come our chinese friend know about IAF purchases.我会很高兴知道怎么我们中国的朋友了解宇航购货。

ohh gr8 he might be working for chinese intelligence.整gr8他可能是工作,为中国的情报。

badguy how to trust this person. badguy如何信任这个人。 Normally most of these things are not revealed (A Chinese engineer will not given special permission to read details about MKI Project) .通常大部分这些东西都没有发现(中国工程师不会给予特别准许阅读详情mki项目) 。 So should we conclude that Chinese are getting too jealous about MKI performance.所以,我们应该得出结论认为,中国正在过于嫉妒约mki表现。

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This guy had long experiences working with Russian for Chinese MKK and other cooperations, and he wrote lots of artcles about military relationships between Russia, India and China (especially about Su-30MKK/MKI and JF-17, RD-93, AlF-31).这家伙长的工作经验,与俄罗斯为十一日,中国和其他合作,而他写的地段artcles军事关系,俄罗斯,印度和中国(特别是约su-30mkk/mki和怡富- 17次- 93盒- 31 ) 。

His article 1 yrs ago predicted the India's effort on RD-93 ban was useless, bcoz he drew the whole picture about whole RD-93 project cooperation between China&Russia.他的第1岁前的预言印度的精力次- 93禁令是无济于事, bcoz他提请全貌约整次- 93项目合作,中国与俄罗斯。

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So should we conclude that Chinese are getting too jealous about MKI performance.所以,我们应该得出结论认为,中国正在过于嫉妒约mki表现。

No one ever jealous about India weapon in our military forum, if u know chinese u will see.从来没有人嫉妒,对印度核武器的军事论坛,如果美国知道中国的铀会看到。 If it's ur couclusion, feel free.如果它的乌尔结论,感到自由。

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This might be some bored teenager pretending to be an expert.这可能是一些无聊少年假装是一个专家。 the style of writing and the naivity of the comments show that the guy aint no aeronautical expert.文风和naivity的评论表明,这个家伙是不是没有航空专家。

besides, india wouldnt have allowed chinese engineers to work on, or even take a look at, our best fighter此外,印度wouldnt允许中国工程师的工作,甚至看一看,我们的最佳战机

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Re: View about Su30MKI from a Chiense working on MKK project 再查看:约su30mki从chiense工作项目十一日
Quote from: Su-47 on September 05, 2007, 01:43:03 AM 引述:苏- 47月2007年9月5日,凌晨1时43分03秒
This might be some bored teenager pretending to be an expert.这可能是一些无聊少年假装是一个专家。 the style of writing and the naivity of the comments show that the guy aint no aeronautical expert.文风和naivity的评论表明,这个家伙是不是没有航空专家。

besides, india wouldnt have allowed chinese engineers to work on, or even take a look at, our best fighter此外,印度wouldnt允许中国工程师的工作,甚至看一看,我们的最佳战机
Wel, this guy (Called "pupu") is very famous in our military comminity and wrote many articles, he recently interview high level Pak Air force officer about JF-17 project. wel这个家伙(简称"公" ) ,是非常有名的,在我军群落,并写下许多文章,他最近接受采访时高百空军军官约怡富- 17项目。

He visited India with PLA delegation by common military activites.他已访问了印度与解放军代表团共同的军事活动。 I will try to bring some pictures about his article later.我会尝试把一些照片约文章。
       

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Well mr.rockdog,the whole world knows that the SU-30 MKI is the most advanced of the SU-30 series so dont fantasise anything. mr.rockdog井时,整个世界都知道,苏-30 mki是迄今为止最先进的苏-30系列等dont任何幻想。 And about the articles anybody can write anything大约文章任何人都可以写什么
       

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Quote from: darkangel on September 05, 2007, 01:57:47 AM 引述: darkangel于2007年9月5日,凌晨1时57分47秒
Well mr.rockdog,the whole world knows that the SU-30 MKI is the most advanced of the SU-30 series so dont fantasise anything. mr.rockdog井时,整个世界都知道,苏-30 mki是迄今为止最先进的苏-30系列等dont任何幻想。 And about the articles anybody can write anything大约文章任何人都可以写什么
He didn't say MKI is not good but revealed many problems about MKI project during last 10 yrs.他没有说mki不好,但发现很多问题,大约mki项目在过去的10岁。

Some of them about Russian's tricky, some of them about India's  lack of industry ability, some of them about IAF lack of planning...有些人对俄罗斯的微妙,其中一些印度缺乏工业能力,其中有些对宇航缺乏规划… …

He is not an anti-India guy, but writing lots of things about certain military-business case.他是不是一个反印度的家伙,但写很多东西约某些军事-商业案例。

This is a full and very detailed article about Su-30s, near half of them are on reserach about MKI.这是一个全面和非常详细的文章,苏-30 ,近一半人都对研究mki左右。
( http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread. ... E%CC%EC%BE%C5%B1%E4 ) ( http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=129872&highlight = % d0 %铁%消委会统% % % %碳五乙% e4 )上
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Rokey..IAF is happy with MKIs and so are we.Even various AF like USAF, RSAF have all praise for this bird.水产..宇航满意mkis等都是we.even各种房颤像美国空军,新加坡空军都称赞这个鸟。 is it all hype ?  you may use common-sense, although its not very common.它是一切炒作?你可以使用常识,但它不是很常见。
       

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quote from his article:引用他的文章:
( http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread. ... E%CC%EC%BE%C5%B1%E4 ) ( http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread.php?tid=129872&highlight = % d0 %铁%消委会统% % % %碳五乙% e4 )上
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The first batch of 8 Su-30k arrvied in India 1997.07.11 by 4 an-124 transporter.首批8苏30k arrvied印度1997.07.11 4安-124运输机。

Deploying in 24th "eagle" squadron from SB001 to SB008, then IAF found they r old Su-27UB with tricky paint.部署在第24 "鹰"中队给sb001 sb008 ,那么宇航发现他们的r老苏种取巧与油漆。
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The second batch of 10 Su-30k arrvied in India 1999.11.11.第二批苏10 - 30k arrvied印度1999.11.11 。

Deploying in 24th "eagle"  squadron from SB009 to SB018, then IAF found they r orginally designed for Indonisia.部署在第24 "鹰"中队给sb009 sb018 ,那么宇航发现他们的r行情为印度尼西亚。
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After average 700 fighte hours, IAF halt all of fight in 1999.9: coz of engine problems.经过平均700 fighte小时,宇航停止一切战斗1999.9 : coz发动机问题。
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Its ok Rockdog.其好rockdog 。 You have some point and you provided some link to a forum discussion (could been bettter, if it might have been some defense journal, but never mind).你有一点,你提供了一些连接到一个论坛讨论(可以得到更好,如果它曾被一些防务杂志,但从未介意) 。 But you know what?但你知道什么? IAF is happy with MKI (they order 40+ more i guess), and so are we (I am telling the same thing, twice- probably you get our point).宇航满意mki (他们以40多+我猜) ,所以我们(我说,同样的事,两次也许你的一点) 。 USAF and RSAF are so much eager about its details that tried to Snoop on its Radar frequency recently.美国空军与新加坡空军有这么多渴望自己的细节,试图偷窥其雷达频率。 So we dont care what some tom-dick n harry says abt this bird.所以我们dont照顾一些什么汤姆-迪克氮哈利说,这abt的鸟。 We have lots of experts opinion available  in websites, almost in all global military journal about the excellent performance of MKI.我们有很多专家认为,在现有的网站,几乎在全球所有的军事期刊约出色表现mki 。

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Its ok Rockdog.其好rockdog 。 You have some point and you provided some link to a forum discussion (could been bettter, if it might have been some defense journal, but never mind).你有一点,你提供了一些连接到一个论坛讨论(可以得到更好,如果它曾被一些防务杂志,但从未介意) 。 But you know what?但你知道什么? IAF is happy with MKI (they order 40+ more i guess), and so are we (I am telling the same thing, twice- probably you get our point).宇航满意mki (他们以40多+我猜) ,所以我们(我说,同样的事,两次也许你的一点) 。 USAF and RSAF are so much eager about its details that tried to Snoop on its Radar frequency recently.美国空军与新加坡空军有这么多渴望自己的细节,试图偷窥其雷达频率。 So we dont care what some tom-dick n harry says abt this bird.所以我们dont照顾一些什么汤姆-迪克氮哈利说,这abt的鸟。 We have lots of experts opinion available  in websites, almost in all global military journal about the excellent performance of MKI.我们有很多专家认为,在现有的网站,几乎在全球所有的军事期刊约出色表现mki 。 So it is hot fav bird of IAF .所以它是热鸟fav宇航。

I heard the demo between MKI and other figters are condition-preset (no e-warfare, no system fighting and other limitation).我听到演示之间mki和其他figters条件都预置(没有电子战,不战系统和其他限制) 。

By the way, i always think that prise better come from emeny not from friends.由程,我一直认为求购更好来自emeny不是来自朋友。 Some USAF offcier visiting china also praised our oldest Su-27 was dealy weapon...一些美国空军offcier访华还称赞我国最古老的苏- 27 dealy武器… …


Quote from: MayDay on September 05, 2007, 02:33:24 AM 引述:国防部对2007年9月5日,凌晨2时33分24秒
But you know what?但你知道什么? IAF is happy with MKI (they order 40+ more i guess), and so are we (I am telling the same thing, twice- probably you get our point).宇航满意mki (他们以40多+我猜) ,所以我们(我说,同样的事,两次也许你的一点) 。
I think 3 reasons:我觉得3个原因:
1. 1 . LCA always delay, IAF do needs new birds.列队总是拖延,宇航做需要新的鸟类。
2. 2 . M-MRCA still needs long time米- mrca仍需要很长时间
3. 3 . IAF needs BVR asap.宇航视距需要10秒钟。

So Su-30mki is fastest option.所以苏- 30mki是最快的选择。
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hi i think he has some truth but not all,喜,我觉得他有真理,但不是全部,
and he is only telling about the Su-30k's and the problems of Su-30MKI's他只是告诉约苏30k和问题,苏- 30mki的
its the negative side of the Su-30MKI,其负面的苏- 30mki ,
and we are seeing the Positive side.........我们看到积极的一面.........
but no problem.......但是,没有问题… …
the these are not a very big problems and can be solved easily.......thats the main problem is only about Su-30K's ...........这些不都是一个非常大的问题可以轻易解决....... thats主要问题是,只有大约苏30k的...........
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he completely ignored the positive sides.他完全忽视了正面。
       

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rockdog tell him not to BS about MKI, it will be better that way. rockdog告诉他不要布约mki ,这将更好的方式。
I dont really care what he did or what he did not but he quotes CAG et al proves he doesnt understands how Indian establishment works let alone having the sort of information he is talking about.我真的dont照顾他做了什么或者他做了什么,但不是他引号胃炎】证明他冻不会懂得印度建立工程更不用说有什么资料,他是在说什么。

So here I'm pointing out the issues.所以在这里,我指出这个问题。

Quote from: rockdog on September 05, 2007, 12:23:30 AM 引述: rockdog于2007年9月5日,上午12时23分30秒
This Chinese guy working in Sino-Russia Su-30mkk project for yrs, and also visited in India.这家伙中,在工作中,俄罗斯的苏30mkk项目岁,还参观了印度。
( http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread. ... =%2Bpupu&page=1 ) ( http://bbs.cjdby.net/viewthread. ... xtra=&highlight = % & 2bpupu页= 1 )

Now i translate some major points from him, hope Indian friends would help me to judge which are rite or wrong, thx in advance:现在我把一些要点,由他希望印度的朋友会帮助我来判断哪些是祭典或错,通过thx提前:

1. 1 . The price of whole MKI project shifted many times:价格mki整个项目转向多次:
$1.45billion $1.85billion $2.25billion $2.45billion $8.5billion元元1.45billion网民元2.25billion元2.45billion $ 8.5billion

If he means price of the entire contract it is bloody obvious it wont be $1.45 billion, the actual price for 200 MKI's is well around 8bn$ or so and the information is available open source.如果他指的价格,整个合同是血淋淋的,它显然会で14.5亿美元,实际价格为200 mki的是井周围80元左右和资料开放原始码。

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2. 2 . MKK is mainly bomer/attacker, MKI's purppose is confusing:十一日是主要波默尔/攻击, mki的purppose令人困惑:
MKK into services in 2000, same yr it capable for precision attacking; Su-30k into IAF service in 1997, but 2004 was the first time for precision strike testing (7 yrs after into service), also recently MKI tested anti-ship missile, such role should belongs to IN not IAF.十一日到服务, 2000年同里亚尔,它能够精确攻击;苏30k到宇航服务, 1997年,但2004年首次精确打击测试( 7岁后投入服务) ,最近也mki测试反舰导弹这种作用应属于不宇航联合会。 If it's fighter, so far the MKI still didn't completed the OVT intergration.如果它的战机,但至今mki仍然没有完成整合素。

What sort of BS is this?什么样的布呢? MKI's purpose is confusing? mki的目的是混淆? yes the whole IAF must be confusing in choosing the bird they wants, confusing to him does not translates to being confusing to IAF.是整个宇航必须迷惑,在选择鸟,他们希望,迷惑,他并不能将被混淆宇航联合会。 OVT integration huh?整合素啊? ROTFLMAO. rotflmao 。

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4. 4 . 2000.12.28 India sign joint production agreement with Russia for 140 MKIs by HAL; But HAL failed to produce most part of components and cozed the total cost higher by $0.35billion. 2000.12.28印度签署合资生产协议,俄罗斯为140 mkis由热风;但斯坦未能出示部份元件和cozed总成本较高元0.35billion 。

Another BS, HAL is producing almost most parts of MKI, and slowly the level of integration will be taken to 90% of the total systems.另布,热风生产几乎大部份mki ,慢慢的融合程度,将采取90 %的总系统。 Another mistake he made is thinking that HAL started making MKI's right from 2000, he failed to know that the MKI MK3 version which HAL was supposed to produce was NOT completely ready in 2000.另一个错误,他是以为斯坦开始制造mki的权利从2000年开始,他没有得知mki mkiii飞机版热风理应产生,不完全是准备在2000年。

And yes the initial batches of HAL built MKI's will cost slightly more but it will be adjusted.是的初始批次的热风建成mki的成本会较轻微,但将予以调整。 I'd like to know where he got the 0.35b$ figure from.我想知道他在哪里得到0.35b元数字。

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DORO and CAG released the report said the total cost became twice than direct purchasing from Russia.警卫和cag发表报告说,总成本成了两次比直接采购来自俄罗斯。 Finally, HAL gave up production by assmbly.最后,热风放弃生产组装。

Tell him to STOP HIS BS, and stop posting these lame things here, CAG REPORTS are ALWAYS 2-3 years old because the data CAG BASES their reports on are 2-3 years old to begin with.告诉他,以阻止他的布,并停止张贴跛脚这些东西在这里,现金报告都是2-3岁,因为该数据胃炎基地,他们对报告的是2-3岁开始。

Cost became Twice direct purchasing from Russia?成本成了两次直接采购来自俄罗斯? so we gave up production assembly LMAO, his credibility is gone dude.所以,我们放弃了生产装配玩,他的诚信是难缠了。

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S.K.生物学 Singh, Chief Manager,辛格,行政经理,
Su-30 Hydraulics苏-30液压
Lucknow, July 23: The Su-30 hydraulics勒克瑙7月23日:苏-30液压
department is part of the Mechanical factory部部分机械制造厂
of the Division, which has also the该师,也有
instruments and fuel factories.文书和燃料工厂。
The Mechanical factory handles mainly机械厂主要处理
hydraulics like undercarriages, wheels像液压底盘,车轮
and brake systems, ejection seats.与制动系统,弹射座位。 Besides除了
these, environmental control systems like其中,环境控制系统等
air pressurization in the cockpit, cooling空气加压驾驶舱,冷却
equipment, etc., and flight control systems设备等,与飞行控制系统
are also taken care of in the department.Before the Sukhoi project was shifted to也照顾在department.before苏霍伊项目转向
this facility, the department handled这项设施,该部处理
work on the Jaguar, Mirage, MiGs, Sea工作美洲虎,幻影,天空,海
Harrier and HPT-32 among a few other鹞羟基喜树碱和32中其他几个
aircraft.飞机。
The latest addition to the department's最新此外,该署
wide range of products is hydraulic hose各种各样的产品是液压软管
and all kinds of adaptors that go with it.各类插头,顺应它。
Facilities are available to test hoses at设有测试时软管
even 10,000 psi.甚至10000防扩散。
The flight control systems are all fly by飞行控制系统都是由飞
wire systems that are extremely technologically线材系统是极其技术上
advanced.先进。 There are not less有不少
than 20,000 components in the Su-30's二万成分在苏-30的
hydraulics and the Division handles 64液压与分工处理64
units for an entire Su-30.单位整架苏-30 。 A total of 87共有87
items are made at the Division.项目作出表决。 The该
Sukhoi, presently in Phase II (sub assembly)苏霍伊,目前在第二阶段(分组装)
is a good aircraft in terms of maintainability.是一个很好的飞机而言,可维护性。
Phase III, which involves complete第三阶段,其中包括完成
knock down kit will start this year.敲掉包将在今年内展开。
Since the IAF requires the aircraft within自从宇航要求飞机
2013-14, unlike the earlier deadline of 2016, 2013年至1914年,不像早先的截止2016年,
work is on full swing at the department工作是全力在处

^^ These must be signs of 'giving up' production and assembly LMAO. ^ ^这些必须迹象放弃的生产和装配玩。

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5. 5 . IAF initially chose Mirage2000-5 not MKI, but Russia used lots of "underground tricky".宇航最初选择mirage2000 -5 mki没有,但俄罗斯利用地段的"地下棘手" 。 IAF used to start purchasing 128 Mig-2000-5, it's the prestory of M-MRCA project.用宇航开始购买128架米格- 2000 - 5 ,它的prestory的m mrca项目。

The whole DAMN WORLD knows this MRCA was initially supposed to be Mirage 2000 AND NOT THE MKI PROJECT.整个世界妈知道这mrca最初理应幻影2000 ,而不是mki项目。 He mixes up MRCA and MKI together.他搭配起来mrca和mki在一起。

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6. 6 . IAPO refused to provide digital interface to Israel and French companies for MKI upgration, bcoz it want earn money for Russian companies. iapo拒绝提供数字接口,以色列和法国的公司mki升级, bcoz它想赚钱,为俄罗斯公司。

Tell him to stop BS'ing, the digital interface he is talking about is Indian the MC, RC1, RC2 are Indian It is the RC1/RC2 that provides the kinematic launch sequences of the weapon system and it is the MC that controls the integration.告诉他停止bs'ing ,数字接口是他谈的是印度管委会, rc1 , rc2中的印度是rc1/rc2提供运动学序列发射的武器系统,这是管委会控制一体化。 the BARs radar is specifically one thing where IAF owns IPR.酒吧雷达是专门一件事而宇航公司拥有知识产权。

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7. 7 . India purchsed the first batch of precision attack weapon in 2004 (missiles and equipments), which means since 1997 Su-30 lack of precision attacking abilities for 7 yrs.印度购买的第一批精确打击武器,在2004年(导弹和设备) ,这意味着自1997年苏-30缺乏精确攻击能力,为7岁。

HUH?呵呵? Precision attack weaponiries like?精确打击weaponiries样? Did he knew we used precision weaponiries before?他知道,我们用精密weaponiries之前?

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8. 8 . After first batch of Su-30k arrived India, IAF found some of them r in fact Su--27UB with Su-30 paint.经过首批苏30k抵达印度,宇航发现,其中有些研究事实上粟-种与苏- 30油漆。

Proof?举证?

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9. 9 . When first batch of Su-30K arrvied India, the deal didn't include weapn.当首批苏30k arrvied印度,交易不包括weapn 。

Who cares?谁来管?

So now tell him to STOP gaining popularity with his oracle posts, even if he does tell him to do so where his so called contacts works.所以现在告诉他停止受欢迎与他的职位,甲骨文,即使他没有告诉他这样做,他的所谓接触工程。

And oh for crying out loud on Rd 93 fiasco it is the MEDIA who kept shouting on the same asking questions to defence ministers et al and NO OFFICIAL confirmation of 'resisting' the same came from them.哦,并为哭大声对93次失败的,它是媒体人不断高喊对同一发问,以国防部长】 ,并没有正式确认'拒捕'同样来自他们。 sdo puhlease性别puhlease

What he says we know already , what we doesnt know is from his imagination just tell him this, Thank you.他说了什么,我们已经知道,我们冻不会知道的是,从他的想象只是告诉他,谢谢。
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Re: View about Su30MKI from a Chiense working on MKK project 再查看:约su30mki从chiense工作项目十一日
All these articles comes out of mere jealousy,chinnese are increasing their su-30's upto 400,but what's the use when their SUKHOIS  cant match ours.所有这些文章出自仅仅嫉妒,中国正在增加其苏-30的克里斯蒂安400人,那又有什么用时,其战机配合着我们。
       

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darkangel will you stop comparing chinese sukhois to ours repeteadly? darkangel你会比较阻止中国战机向我们repeteadly ? when we are not talking on that matter.当我们不能谈这个问题。
       

Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught.亲自我总是愿意学习,我虽然不喜欢被教导。

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