【原创翻译】Quora(美国知乎)上的三哥已经把LCA吹成4+ ...

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Gururag Kalanidhi, Defence Technology Analyst
33.5k Views • Most Viewed Writer in LCA-Tejas

Lets start with the LCA TEJAS which is a single-seat, single-engine, lightweight, high-agility supersonic fighter aircraft. The LCA TEJAS can speed upto Mach 1.4 and is capable of carrying assorted weapon load along with dropping tanks up to four tons. It has some of the latest avionics and digital flight control systems. The Tejas, presently is powered by American General Electric Engine GE F404 (Tejas MkII will use GE F414) . The HAL TEJAS is designed with a single vertical fin  with no tailplanes or foreplanes and has a delta wing configuration.

我们先从LCA光辉战机谈起。LCA是一款单发单座高机动性轻型超音速战机。LCA的最大速度可达1.4马赫,可挂载多种武器,并能挂载重达4吨的副油箱(???)。该机配备了许多最新的飞控系统。光辉战机目前使用的是GE的F404发动机。LCA采用的是三角翼单垂尾无平尾式设计。

The HAL TEJAS  integrates modern design concepts and state-of-art technologies such as fly-by-wire Flight Control System, Advanced Digital Cockpit, Multi-Mode Radar, Integrated Digital Avionics System and a Flat Rated Engine.Other salient  features of TEJAS include short takeoff and landing, excellent flight performance, safety, reliability and maintainability.
The aircraft is also fitted with a night vision compatible glass cockpit with Martin Baker (UK) zero-zero ejection seats. The aircraft’s electronic warfare suite, developed by the Advanced Systems Integration and Evaluation Organisation (ASIEO) of Bangalore, includes a radar warning receiver and jammer, laser warner, missile approach warner, and chaff and flare dispenser. The LCA’s design has been configured to match the demands of modern combat scenario such as speed, acceleration, maneuverability and agility.
LCA融合了现代战机设计理念与诸如电传飞控、数字化座舱、多功能雷达、集成式航电系统这样叼炸天的先进技术(叼在哪里嘛)。LCA其他的特性还包括短距起降,优越的飞行性能、安全性能、可靠性以及可维修性(
LCA的座舱配备了MARTIN BAKER公司生产的弹射座椅并兼容夜视能力。该机的电子战系统由ASIEO公司研发,包括一套雷达告警接收器与干扰器,激光告警器,导弹告警器,干扰弹投射器。可以说LCA的设计完全是为了匹配现代作战需求而应运而生的。

The JF-17 airframe is of semi-monocoque structure and its airframe is designed for a service life of 4,000 flight hours, or 25 years.The aircraft has a composite flight control system (FCS), comprising conventional controls with stability augmentation in the yaw and roll axis and a digital fly-by-wire (FBW) system in the pitch axis. The JF-17 is powered by a single Russian Klimov RD-93 turbofan engine, which is a variant of the RD-33 engine used on the Mig-29 fighter.JF-17 can be armed with up to 3,629 kg (8,000 lb) of air-to-air and air-to-ground ordnance.

而JF17采用半硬壳式机体,设计寿命为4000飞行小时或25年。该机采用的是一种复合式的飞行控制系统: 在传统的控制系统中增大了偏航角和滚转角的稳定性并在俯仰角上采用了电传控制系统。JF17装备了俄制RD93型发动机,可以挂载3629KG的空对空或空对地武器。

These two aircraft follow a similar timeline of development. But, the similarity ends there. The LCA Tejas and JF-17 were designed with very different end applications in mind. For, India the Tejas was designated to be an aircraft which was to drive the technology influx into its fledgling aerospace industry. From the onset, the emphasis was not on costs but usage of cutting edge technology. This is not the case for Pakistan. For Pakistan the JF-17 is a much needed breather to replace its old fleet of Mirage III and Chengdu J-7 Fighters. Also, the design of these two aircraft is completely different. IAF has always been vehement about latest technology and this was the driving factor behind the design of the Tejas whose design has evolved around the timeline. But for Pakistan, this is not the case. The JF-17 is essentially a redesigned version of the Chengdu J-7(MiG 21 clone). Apart from the addition of LERX on the design and clipped delta wings, there's not much of an improvement. On the other hand, the airframe of the Tejas is a beauty. Designed by ADA, it is a complex delta wing with an efficient leading edge blending for smooth handling at higher AoAs (Angle of Attack). Even the materials used for construction show the difference in the thought process. While ADA and HAL had from the onset been keen on keeping the weight low by using Carbon composites (at which India is now a pro), the CAC designed and PAC assembled JF-17 uses only aluminium alloys which add quite some weight to the design.

The choice of engines also points to a decent train of thought among the Indian designers. It is no news that the GTX-Kaveri program did not have the desired results. But, Indians were smart enough to get the Americans onboard to get the GE engines (F404 and F414) with FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control) which had also tasted success with the F-18 and the SAAB JAS 31 Gripen. On the contrary, since Pakistan is dependent on the Chinese for this fighter, they had to settle for the Klimov RD-93 (which powers India's MiG 29s), which is notorious for its unclean combustion and trail of smoke.
上述两种战机的研制时间流程大致相同( ),但是二者的相似之处也仅此而已了。LCA和jf17从最初的研发目的就可以说是大相径庭。印度的LCA是为了引导尖端技术流入自己羽翼未丰的航空工业,因此从一开始其重点就不在于砸了多少钱,而是学会如何运用先进技术。而巴基斯坦的JF17情况则完全不同,他们引入JF17是因为巴基斯坦有大量老旧的幻影3和歼7战机需要替换。另外,两款战机的设计也完全不同,印度空军总是对各种先进技术充满狂热也因此LCA的设计一变再变。而巴基斯坦却不是如此,JF17基本上就是个J7/mig21的改进型,除了DSI进气口和切尖三角翼之外基本上毫无新意。另一方面,LCA采用了复杂的三角翼气动结构,堪称艺术品。甚至从采用的机体材料也能看出二者的差异:LCA从一开始就致力于通过碳纤维等复合材料(而我们印度现在已经是该领域的专家了),反观成飞的jf17只采用了铝合金材料,机体重量不忍直视。
从发动机的选择上也体现了印度设计者们的独到匠心。众所周知俄制发动机性能辣鸡早已不是什么新闻,然而聪明的印度人拉来了美国爸爸的GE为我们提供F404F414这样的FADEC发动机。反观巴基斯坦的JF17只能依赖俄罗斯的RD93,这种发动机一点火就猛放黑屁,简直辣鸡。

The Chinese themselves were not impressed with the Thunder, clearly evident from the fact that they have not ordered any aircraft. Although, the sinister intentions of the Chinese to keep the PAF equipped in numbers to open a second front during hostilities is clearly visible. China's participation had more to do with its geopolitical intentions rather than technological aspirations. this has been further reiterated by the sale of this fighter to Sri Lanka.  
很显然中国人自己也对JF17不感冒因为他们自己一架都没买。然而中国的邪恶意图在于武装巴基斯坦以制衡印度,中国参与JF17这个项目更多的是出于地缘政治的考量,向斯里兰卡出售JF17再一次证明了这一点。

The flight software for the both is different. While the Tejas runs on the more robust and aviation capable Ada, the JF-17 has been coded on the developer friendly C++. This is to benefit Pakistan for its low availability of aviation software engineers but its decent pool of generic  software engineers.
两款战机的飞控软件也不同。LCA是用鲁棒性更强、飞航适应性更好的ADA编写的,反观JF17却是用的码农语言C++,这想必也是为了照顾巴基斯坦缺乏飞控软件工程师但却有数量不菲的码农的缘故。

My opinion: Tejas has been designed to be on par with most 4.5th Gen aircraft around the world such as the Rafale and the Typhoon, but the JF-17 just barely breaks into the category of 4th Gen Fighters.
(最大亮点来了)我的观点:LCA是一款比肩阵风、台风的四代半战斗机,而JF17只能说是堪堪够上四代机的门槛
翻译粗浅,如有错误敬请指正。红色部分是我自己加

Gururag Kalanidhi, Defence Technology Analyst
33.5k Views • Most Viewed Writer in LCA-Tejas

Lets start with the LCA TEJAS which is a single-seat, single-engine, lightweight, high-agility supersonic fighter aircraft. The LCA TEJAS can speed upto Mach 1.4 and is capable of carrying assorted weapon load along with dropping tanks up to four tons. It has some of the latest avionics and digital flight control systems. The Tejas, presently is powered by American General Electric Engine GE F404 (Tejas MkII will use GE F414) . The HAL TEJAS is designed with a single vertical fin  with no tailplanes or foreplanes and has a delta wing configuration.

我们先从LCA光辉战机谈起。LCA是一款单发单座高机动性轻型超音速战机。LCA的最大速度可达1.4马赫,可挂载多种武器,并能挂载重达4吨的副油箱(???)。该机配备了许多最新的飞控系统。光辉战机目前使用的是GE的F404发动机。LCA采用的是三角翼单垂尾无平尾式设计。

The HAL TEJAS  integrates modern design concepts and state-of-art technologies such as fly-by-wire Flight Control System, Advanced Digital Cockpit, Multi-Mode Radar, Integrated Digital Avionics System and a Flat Rated Engine.Other salient  features of TEJAS include short takeoff and landing, excellent flight performance, safety, reliability and maintainability.
The aircraft is also fitted with a night vision compatible glass cockpit with Martin Baker (UK) zero-zero ejection seats. The aircraft’s electronic warfare suite, developed by the Advanced Systems Integration and Evaluation Organisation (ASIEO) of Bangalore, includes a radar warning receiver and jammer, laser warner, missile approach warner, and chaff and flare dispenser. The LCA’s design has been configured to match the demands of modern combat scenario such as speed, acceleration, maneuverability and agility.
LCA融合了现代战机设计理念与诸如电传飞控、数字化座舱、多功能雷达、集成式航电系统这样叼炸天的先进技术(叼在哪里嘛)。LCA其他的特性还包括短距起降,优越的飞行性能、安全性能、可靠性以及可维修性(
LCA的座舱配备了MARTIN BAKER公司生产的弹射座椅并兼容夜视能力。该机的电子战系统由ASIEO公司研发,包括一套雷达告警接收器与干扰器,激光告警器,导弹告警器,干扰弹投射器。可以说LCA的设计完全是为了匹配现代作战需求而应运而生的。

The JF-17 airframe is of semi-monocoque structure and its airframe is designed for a service life of 4,000 flight hours, or 25 years.The aircraft has a composite flight control system (FCS), comprising conventional controls with stability augmentation in the yaw and roll axis and a digital fly-by-wire (FBW) system in the pitch axis. The JF-17 is powered by a single Russian Klimov RD-93 turbofan engine, which is a variant of the RD-33 engine used on the Mig-29 fighter.JF-17 can be armed with up to 3,629 kg (8,000 lb) of air-to-air and air-to-ground ordnance.

而JF17采用半硬壳式机体,设计寿命为4000飞行小时或25年。该机采用的是一种复合式的飞行控制系统: 在传统的控制系统中增大了偏航角和滚转角的稳定性并在俯仰角上采用了电传控制系统。JF17装备了俄制RD93型发动机,可以挂载3629KG的空对空或空对地武器。

These two aircraft follow a similar timeline of development. But, the similarity ends there. The LCA Tejas and JF-17 were designed with very different end applications in mind. For, India the Tejas was designated to be an aircraft which was to drive the technology influx into its fledgling aerospace industry. From the onset, the emphasis was not on costs but usage of cutting edge technology. This is not the case for Pakistan. For Pakistan the JF-17 is a much needed breather to replace its old fleet of Mirage III and Chengdu J-7 Fighters. Also, the design of these two aircraft is completely different. IAF has always been vehement about latest technology and this was the driving factor behind the design of the Tejas whose design has evolved around the timeline. But for Pakistan, this is not the case. The JF-17 is essentially a redesigned version of the Chengdu J-7(MiG 21 clone). Apart from the addition of LERX on the design and clipped delta wings, there's not much of an improvement. On the other hand, the airframe of the Tejas is a beauty. Designed by ADA, it is a complex delta wing with an efficient leading edge blending for smooth handling at higher AoAs (Angle of Attack). Even the materials used for construction show the difference in the thought process. While ADA and HAL had from the onset been keen on keeping the weight low by using Carbon composites (at which India is now a pro), the CAC designed and PAC assembled JF-17 uses only aluminium alloys which add quite some weight to the design.

The choice of engines also points to a decent train of thought among the Indian designers. It is no news that the GTX-Kaveri program did not have the desired results. But, Indians were smart enough to get the Americans onboard to get the GE engines (F404 and F414) with FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control) which had also tasted success with the F-18 and the SAAB JAS 31 Gripen. On the contrary, since Pakistan is dependent on the Chinese for this fighter, they had to settle for the Klimov RD-93 (which powers India's MiG 29s), which is notorious for its unclean combustion and trail of smoke.
上述两种战机的研制时间流程大致相同( ),但是二者的相似之处也仅此而已了。LCA和jf17从最初的研发目的就可以说是大相径庭。印度的LCA是为了引导尖端技术流入自己羽翼未丰的航空工业,因此从一开始其重点就不在于砸了多少钱,而是学会如何运用先进技术。而巴基斯坦的JF17情况则完全不同,他们引入JF17是因为巴基斯坦有大量老旧的幻影3和歼7战机需要替换。另外,两款战机的设计也完全不同,印度空军总是对各种先进技术充满狂热也因此LCA的设计一变再变。而巴基斯坦却不是如此,JF17基本上就是个J7/mig21的改进型,除了DSI进气口和切尖三角翼之外基本上毫无新意。另一方面,LCA采用了复杂的三角翼气动结构,堪称艺术品。甚至从采用的机体材料也能看出二者的差异:LCA从一开始就致力于通过碳纤维等复合材料(而我们印度现在已经是该领域的专家了),反观成飞的jf17只采用了铝合金材料,机体重量不忍直视。
从发动机的选择上也体现了印度设计者们的独到匠心。众所周知俄制发动机性能辣鸡早已不是什么新闻,然而聪明的印度人拉来了美国爸爸的GE为我们提供F404F414这样的FADEC发动机。反观巴基斯坦的JF17只能依赖俄罗斯的RD93,这种发动机一点火就猛放黑屁,简直辣鸡。

The Chinese themselves were not impressed with the Thunder, clearly evident from the fact that they have not ordered any aircraft. Although, the sinister intentions of the Chinese to keep the PAF equipped in numbers to open a second front during hostilities is clearly visible. China's participation had more to do with its geopolitical intentions rather than technological aspirations. this has been further reiterated by the sale of this fighter to Sri Lanka.  
很显然中国人自己也对JF17不感冒因为他们自己一架都没买。然而中国的邪恶意图在于武装巴基斯坦以制衡印度,中国参与JF17这个项目更多的是出于地缘政治的考量,向斯里兰卡出售JF17再一次证明了这一点。

The flight software for the both is different. While the Tejas runs on the more robust and aviation capable Ada, the JF-17 has been coded on the developer friendly C++. This is to benefit Pakistan for its low availability of aviation software engineers but its decent pool of generic  software engineers.
两款战机的飞控软件也不同。LCA是用鲁棒性更强、飞航适应性更好的ADA编写的,反观JF17却是用的码农语言C++,这想必也是为了照顾巴基斯坦缺乏飞控软件工程师但却有数量不菲的码农的缘故。

My opinion: Tejas has been designed to be on par with most 4.5th Gen aircraft around the world such as the Rafale and the Typhoon, but the JF-17 just barely breaks into the category of 4th Gen Fighters.
(最大亮点来了)我的观点:LCA是一款比肩阵风、台风的四代半战斗机,而JF17只能说是堪堪够上四代机的门槛
https://www.quora.com/How-good-i ... ets-in-its-category
原文在此,上面还有很多印度人吹逼,而且支持的票数都非常之高。
不得不说三哥这个民族有两分的料就敢吹出二十分的花来,imdb上也是一帮三哥疯狂给印度电影刷分。
阿三儿女欢乐多~
还好吧   阿三哥也知道只能和发财比比   没和J20比  有点自知之明了   嘿嘿嘿嘿
回红色问号的翻译“武器挂载含可抛离副油箱总共达4吨”
非常好,喜欢这种评价,赶快装备800架吧,巴巴羊灭掉三锅就靠你们了。
吹呗,只要他们玩的开心就好了。真干起来,谁下来?


楼主你最起码要把评论翻译过来让大家多乐乐啊

楼主你最起码要把评论翻译过来让大家多乐乐啊

要知道quora本质上是印度论坛
大家帮忙一起吹,吹的人多了,LCA就能上天了
JF17早已量产服役,除了一些复杂的昂贵系统外,小巴自己可以生产,造价上JF17也更便宜,
不服可以PK一下。
极速1.4马赫的四代战机.......
切,三泰虎上三哥都忙着拯救火星了,顾不上你们这群地球战五渣。
他们高兴就好,其他的,有所谓吗?
印度特产蜜汁自信)
不是说LCA吊打J20吗?怎么和小龙比起来了?阿三啥时候这么低调了?
还算谦虚,没去比JAS-39E——也可能不知道有这东西,不入法眼。
绿林奸汉 发表于 2016-6-12 00:34
还算谦虚,没去比JAS-39E——也可能不知道有这东西,不入法眼。
My opinion: Tejas has been designed to be on par with most 4.5th Gen aircraft around the world such as the Rafale and the Typhoon, but the JF-17 just barely breaks into the category of 4th Gen Fighters.
(最大亮点来了)我的观点:LCA是一款比肩阵风、台风的四代半战斗机,而JF17只能说是堪堪够上四代机的门槛。

三哥脸皮真厚。
同样单发中推,鹰狮,幻影2000,枭龙,LCA放一起,谁牛逼

同样单发中推,鹰狮,幻影2000,枭龙,LCA放一起,谁牛逼
幻影2000牛逼不过他不是大推吗?虽然M53推力垃圾了点但是人家是大推和中推的体积一比差距大了
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智障阿三欢乐多,祝他们装备几千架,几百架哪里够摔啊,印度空军还买什么阵风啊
1.4马赫。。。这是被歼七吊打的节奏吗?!
LCA在阿三中间粉丝还是真多,理智的人太少了

那是一个“绝望”的年代 那些年我们也幻想着J8可以大战F22

感谢那些一直坚持并没有放弃的人们、

至于三哥....good good study
始终瞄准国际领先水平啊
这个还正常吧。我们不是也有许多人吹歼十吊打双风。枭龙脚踢鹰狮吗。哪里都有逗逼。可以理解。话说重点不应该是斯里兰卡吗?
LCA不用和双风打,只要暴打苏30MKI一顿就行了,把视频发到网上,比干吹牛B有说服力多了。
既然lca这么牛逼,那就请印度不要再引进什么阵风35t50了。大量装备lca不就结了。快点把苏30也淘汰了,全部换lca。
热带民族的共同特点---无条件的乐天派。
要是能把美国空海军忽悠得换装LCA就好了。。。
quora上的印度人好像占4成,简直就是个印度论坛
组件确实很不错,以色列雷达、欧洲航电、美国发动机、欧洲的复材……这个案例充分说明三哥奇葩的整合能力,超音速亚音速正常飞行都花很长时间才可用,十几年后还不能正常发射导弹,正常人很难理解三哥是怎么用一堆精品原件攒出LCA这么个烂货的
那是一个“绝望”的年代 那些年我们也幻想着J8可以大战F22

感谢那些一直坚持并没有放弃的人们、

不 day day up 吗?
组件确实很不错,以色列雷达、欧洲航电、美国发动机、欧洲的复材……这个案例充分说明三哥奇葩的整合能力, ...
达索协助,大卫雷达,霉国航发,毛子导弹,让人知道什么叫做四不像
那贵国干嘛还要花大价钱买阵风?
1.印度说是四代机,指的是美标三代(F16,MIG29).
2.尽管LCA研制过程中,耗时很长,找了很多外援,也砸了很多钱,但印度确实通过LCA项目锻炼了一只国内的航空研制队伍。这个意义很大,促进了很多相关领域的技术积累和提高。
虽然过程很苦逼,但被国家宣传标榜为"国产先进战斗机",这是民族的骄傲,所以性能被国内网友粉丝加持也正常。
这个比歼8吊打f22还差很多,印度人吹的还是没有国内人那么厉害,直到现在不也很多人YY歼10吊打双风,歼8吊打IDF吗?
4吨!!!好多啊,我们才3500+千克!!!!伦家印度都是论吨算了!!!!我们才按千克算!!!!完全不在一个数量级啊!!!!手动滑稽
都是一步步走过来的 土鳖也不是一上来就能造j20 没必要嘲笑印度