如果当年中俄合力改进“究极侧卫”，能否和F-15的魔改抗 ...

是“终极侧卫”吧

青锋AA 发表于 2015-11-22 09:47
是“终极侧卫”吧
对中俄来说，苏30sm、苏-35、歼-16、歼-11D基本上已经是各自的终极改型了。

苏35能不能和沉默鹰PK，恐怕只有经过实战了。

青锋AA 发表于 2015-11-22 09:51
苏35能不能和沉默鹰PK，恐怕只有经过实战了。
估计够呛，信息感知全面劣势，机载武器也有不及。

估计够呛，信息感知全面劣势，机载武器也有不及。
苏35的机体、动力和飞控加上TG的雷达、武备以及光电感应的东东组合在一起。应该算是最完备的究级侧卫了。

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张俊 发表于 2015-11-22 10:46
T50直接哭了

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为什么要哭？

毛子不是早就出来了么，T50啊

搞合作？全部用俄方设备和武器，你答应么？ 换我是总装一万个拒绝

侧卫原型机就能把15魔改打得满地找牙

战斗机都是随着技术的发展逐渐改进的，没有最好只有更好！

F15就靠Aesa和复合挂架撑门面，有个P的魔改。

serch 发表于 2015-11-22 11:37
侧卫原型机就能把15魔改打得满地找牙
你确定不是在说笑话么

为什么要兼容？各用各的航电武器不是挺好的吗？中俄的飞机航电武器架构都不一样，要强行把它们改的一样，那就不仅是飞机要改，那各类武器也要改，相当于重新定义标准了，以前的武器都不能用，这不是本末倒置吗。

扬我国威3 发表于 2015-11-22 13:09
F15就靠Aesa和复合挂架撑门面，有个P的魔改。

   你如此小看f-15的机动性？

F 15的机动性居然瞬间变成一坨屎，难道真的多年的实战经验都成了过眼云烟

F 15的机动性居然瞬间变成一坨屎，难道真的多年的实战经验都成了过眼云烟

被双风吊打的机动性就别吹了，自家比较还不如F16

被双风吊打的机动性就别吹了，自家比较还不如F16
不要小看这货，扮猪吃虎的事常干，演习各种被虐，实战还没击落过。

把歼20航电移植到11身上，EOTS,EODAS什么的

终极侧卫不就T50么

对付F15应该还是可以的吧！

究极侧卫不是T-50么？

被双风吊打的机动性就别吹了，自家比较还不如F16
什么时候f 15 空优性能连f 16都不如了。完全不是一个档次的东西，狗斗的话，f 16也许可以拿来一说而已，仅此而已。
至于说选择，无论是韩国新加坡还是沙特购买的都是f 15 而不是双风。

什么时候f 15 空优性能连f 16都不如了。完全不是一个档次的东西，狗斗的话，f 16也许可以拿来一说而已， ...
台风二对四F15C，四杀！

还中俄呢，sf自己连苏27都还没参透利索咧

没什么，只是演戏而已。
台风甚至灭过f 22
资料出处："internatinal AIR POWER REVIEW" - year 2006, issue 20, page 45. - ISNB: 1-880588-91-9 (casebound) or ISBN: 1473-9917.

Saying that there is a report that the Raptor was between by the Eurofighter in WVR dogfighting... This is a quote from International Air Power :-

"more recently, there have been repeated reports that two RAF Typhoons deployed to the USA for OEU trails work have been flying against the F-22 at NAS China Lake, and have peformed better than was expected. There was little suprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate "Within Visual Range" flight, but the aircraft did cause a suprise by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a suprisingly long range. The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were "unstealthed" anyway, although the next days scheduled two vs. two BWR engagement was canceled, and "the USAF decided they didnt want to play any more .

- When this incident was reported on a website frequented by front-line RAF aircrew a senior RAF officer urged an end to the converstaion on security grounds"
中间甚至还有视距外（at a suprisingly long range，根据上下文语境，是视距外）锁定f 22。
但近距离格斗，ef2000一样要被近距耦合的阵风蹂躏。

扬我国威3 发表于 2015-11-22 20:07
台风二对四F15C，四杀！

没什么，只是演戏而已。
台风甚至灭过f 22
资料出处："internatinal AIR POWER REVIEW" - year 2006, issue 20, page 45. - ISNB: 1-880588-91-9 (casebound) or ISBN: 1473-9917.

Saying that there is a report that the Raptor was between by the Eurofighter in WVR dogfighting... This is a quote from International Air Power :-

"more recently, there have been repeated reports that two RAF Typhoons deployed to the USA for OEU trails work have been flying against the F-22 at NAS China Lake, and have peformed better than was expected. There was little suprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate "Within Visual Range" flight, but the aircraft did cause a suprise by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a suprisingly long range. The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were "unstealthed" anyway, although the next days scheduled two vs. two BWR engagement was canceled, and "the USAF decided they didnt want to play any more .

- When this incident was reported on a website frequented by front-line RAF aircrew a senior RAF officer urged an end to the converstaion on security grounds"
中间甚至还有视距外（at a suprisingly long range，根据上下文语境，是视距外）锁定f 22。
但近距离格斗，ef2000一样要被近距耦合的阵风蹂躏。

当年没本事改。