简氏防务视角之二:俄罗斯向巴西出售战机并帮助其军工发 ...

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图为苏-35S
报道:
Russia is to offer Brazil joint development of the Sukhoi T-50 (PAK-FA) fifth-generation fighter in a bid to secure an order for its Su-35S 'Flanker-E' combat aircraft, Russian media disclosed on 14 October.
俄罗斯媒体在10月14日透露,俄罗斯将计划与巴西共同发展苏霍伊T-50(PAK-FA)第五代战机以取得苏-35S“侧卫-E”战斗机的订单。

A military delegation is expected to make the offer when it visits the South American country in the coming days, according to RIA Novosti .
俄新社报道,(俄罗斯的)军方代表团期望在接下来访问南美国家时提出合作。

"During the talks in Brazil, we are ready to offer deliveries of ready-for-sale advanced aircraft like the Su-35, but also joint development of a next-generation [combat] aircraft of the T-50 type," the publication quoted a delegation source as saying.
“在巴西会谈期间,我们已经准备提出交付类似苏-35一类的可交付战机,但这也是为了給像T-50的下一代战机构建合作发展机制。”俄方刊物引用了代表团的一句话。

The Brazilian Air Force's (Força Aérea Brasileira - FAB) is in the middle of its F-X2 fighter competition to find a replacement for its ageing Dassault Mirage 2000 aircraft. Along with the Eurofighter Typhoon and Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, the Sukhoi Su-35 has already been axed from the proceedings, leaving the Saab JAS 39 Gripen E, Dassault Rafale, and Boeing FA-18E/F Super Hornet to battle it out for the 36-jet tender.
巴西空军事实上已经处于F-X2战机的竞标之中了,新战机将替换机体老化的幻影2000战机。但欧洲的台风战机,洛克希德马丁公司的F-16战机和苏霍伊的苏-35战机实际上已经被踢出议程了,只剩下萨博公司的JAS-39鹰狮E,达索公司的阵风战斗机和波音公司的FA-18E/F超级大黄蜂战斗机来角逐出这一交付36架战斗机的计划的结果。

Although the Brazilian government has delayed its announcement of a winning platform until after the 2014 general election, it has made it clear that it will not be reopening the competition to admit new offerings. As such, any Russian bid would need to be outside the scope of the F-X2 programme.
尽管巴西政府延迟了获胜机型的宣布直到2014年大选,但它还是清楚地表明不会为了新的机型而重开竞标。同样,任何的俄罗斯投标都会被F-X2计划拒之门外。

Brazil's National Defence Strategy (NDS) approved in 2008 is inextricably tied to the National Strategy of Development (NSD), and development of the country's indigenous aerospace industry is as important to the government as fielding a new fighter aircraft. "If we want to have a strong defence strategy, it has to be with a strong development strategy to strengthen our defence industrial base. The focus is national technological independence," General Aprígio Eduardo de Moura Azevedo, FAB Chief of Staff, said during the IQPC Inter national Fighter conference in late 2012.
巴西的国防策略在2008年是与国家发展策略密不可分的,并且本国航空航天产业的发展是与发展战机同等重要的。“如果我们想拥有一个强大的防御策略,它必须先有一个强大的发展策略去加强本国的工业基础。重点在于独立的国防科技。”爱德华多·阿泽维多莫拉将军,外事局的参谋长,在国际质量和竞争力会议中如是说。

While the Su-35S is a highly capable 4+ Generation platform that employs fifth-generation systems such as the NIIP Irbis-E passive electronically scanned array (PESA) radar, any Brazilian interest in the Russian proposals will likely hinge on the co-development work being offered on the PAK-FA.
因为苏-35S是装备了NIIP IRBIS-E雪豹雷达的准五代战机,任何来自巴西的兴趣都会被转移到PAK-FA的共同发展上来(误,太难翻了,不好意思,知道大意即可)

India is already onboard with the Russian programme, which it designates the Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), or Future Prospective Fighter (FPF), and with the project in its prototype stage, there is still plenty of scope for Russia to offer development opportunities to Brazil.
印度早就在此计划中掺了一脚,它早有第五代战斗机计划(FGFA),或先进战机计划(FPF)了.因为俄罗斯的战机研制依然在原型机阶段,所以还是有给巴西的机会的。
(5th译制)

哈哈,看来老毛子没钱了,就要拉拢小兄弟来一路走到黑,是不是有点苏联路线了?
翻得不好,老规矩,叫好的赶紧撒花,拍砖的尽管来,想说几句的就尽管说吧!

预告:英国的陆军直升机撤离德国



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图为苏-35S
报道:
Russia is to offer Brazil joint development of the Sukhoi T-50 (PAK-FA) fifth-generation fighter in a bid to secure an order for its Su-35S 'Flanker-E' combat aircraft, Russian media disclosed on 14 October.
俄罗斯媒体在10月14日透露,俄罗斯将计划与巴西共同发展苏霍伊T-50(PAK-FA)第五代战机以取得苏-35S“侧卫-E”战斗机的订单。

A military delegation is expected to make the offer when it visits the South American country in the coming days, according to RIA Novosti .
俄新社报道,(俄罗斯的)军方代表团期望在接下来访问南美国家时提出合作。

"During the talks in Brazil, we are ready to offer deliveries of ready-for-sale advanced aircraft like the Su-35, but also joint development of a next-generation [combat] aircraft of the T-50 type," the publication quoted a delegation source as saying.
“在巴西会谈期间,我们已经准备提出交付类似苏-35一类的可交付战机,但这也是为了給像T-50的下一代战机构建合作发展机制。”俄方刊物引用了代表团的一句话。

The Brazilian Air Force's (Força Aérea Brasileira - FAB) is in the middle of its F-X2 fighter competition to find a replacement for its ageing Dassault Mirage 2000 aircraft. Along with the Eurofighter Typhoon and Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, the Sukhoi Su-35 has already been axed from the proceedings, leaving the Saab JAS 39 Gripen E, Dassault Rafale, and Boeing FA-18E/F Super Hornet to battle it out for the 36-jet tender.
巴西空军事实上已经处于F-X2战机的竞标之中了,新战机将替换机体老化的幻影2000战机。但欧洲的台风战机,洛克希德马丁公司的F-16战机和苏霍伊的苏-35战机实际上已经被踢出议程了,只剩下萨博公司的JAS-39鹰狮E,达索公司的阵风战斗机和波音公司的FA-18E/F超级大黄蜂战斗机来角逐出这一交付36架战斗机的计划的结果。

Although the Brazilian government has delayed its announcement of a winning platform until after the 2014 general election, it has made it clear that it will not be reopening the competition to admit new offerings. As such, any Russian bid would need to be outside the scope of the F-X2 programme.
尽管巴西政府延迟了获胜机型的宣布直到2014年大选,但它还是清楚地表明不会为了新的机型而重开竞标。同样,任何的俄罗斯投标都会被F-X2计划拒之门外。

Brazil's National Defence Strategy (NDS) approved in 2008 is inextricably tied to the National Strategy of Development (NSD), and development of the country's indigenous aerospace industry is as important to the government as fielding a new fighter aircraft. "If we want to have a strong defence strategy, it has to be with a strong development strategy to strengthen our defence industrial base. The focus is national technological independence," General Aprígio Eduardo de Moura Azevedo, FAB Chief of Staff, said during the IQPC Inter national Fighter conference in late 2012.
巴西的国防策略在2008年是与国家发展策略密不可分的,并且本国航空航天产业的发展是与发展战机同等重要的。“如果我们想拥有一个强大的防御策略,它必须先有一个强大的发展策略去加强本国的工业基础。重点在于独立的国防科技。”爱德华多·阿泽维多莫拉将军,外事局的参谋长,在国际质量和竞争力会议中如是说。

While the Su-35S is a highly capable 4+ Generation platform that employs fifth-generation systems such as the NIIP Irbis-E passive electronically scanned array (PESA) radar, any Brazilian interest in the Russian proposals will likely hinge on the co-development work being offered on the PAK-FA.
因为苏-35S是装备了NIIP IRBIS-E雪豹雷达的准五代战机,任何来自巴西的兴趣都会被转移到PAK-FA的共同发展上来(误,太难翻了,不好意思,知道大意即可)

India is already onboard with the Russian programme, which it designates the Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), or Future Prospective Fighter (FPF), and with the project in its prototype stage, there is still plenty of scope for Russia to offer development opportunities to Brazil.
印度早就在此计划中掺了一脚,它早有第五代战斗机计划(FGFA),或先进战机计划(FPF)了.因为俄罗斯的战机研制依然在原型机阶段,所以还是有给巴西的机会的。
(5th译制)

哈哈,看来老毛子没钱了,就要拉拢小兄弟来一路走到黑,是不是有点苏联路线了?
翻得不好,老规矩,叫好的赶紧撒花,拍砖的尽管来,想说几句的就尽管说吧!

预告:英国的陆军直升机撤离德国

其实俄罗斯的经济在普京掌舵以后好了很多,但是对于开发第五代战机这样的吞钱机器还是比较无能为力,毕竟在F-35的研究上美帝拉了很多小伙伴来帮自己,提供资金的同时也是在给未来的销售做准备,毕竟好兄弟好说话嘛。以我个人之见,毛子可能是在试图复制这一种模式,这样缓解了资金压力,打开了销路,还可以从一定层面上提升与合作国之间的关系。这也好理解,就比如阿三,本身就是俄系战机的骨灰级用户,现在顺便赶上毛子在研制下一代战机,过来捡个便宜,这样的好事情还不赶紧加入?同样的,阿三与毛子之间的关系就好了,这番毛子拉拢巴西也入伙,也算是这一战略的体现吧。
这是要挖美国后院的节奏?!
原来是向巴西推销SU35啊……
以后“巴西要买苏35”的新闻也会月经吗?
巴西是典型的大国小军事——当兵的恐怕没有踢球的多……此外巴西也没有多少战略野心……所以这笔买卖我看成不了
这条新闻可以让你理解毛子的伎俩。明明是根本没谱的事,可毛子说得像是巴西马上就要加入PAKFA似的。明明一个军事代表团屁颠屁颠去巴西访问,可是说的好像要签合同一样。明明SU35都被踢出竞标范围了,但是毛子的说法看起来像是不但su35要成功了,而且t50又要卖出去了!明明是毛子自己财政困难,需要外国帮助,而却说的好像巴西多么想主动和毛子合作一样!现实生活中这种人都应该怎样形容呢?
看来阿三家的钱钱不好挣了
粽子机啥时候出去竞标才是
看看巴西最近的经济情况,就知道毛子这次忽悠的多不靠谱了
巴西的雄心不小啊
巴西人的民族性格决定了它不会有什么野心!
除非巴西以美国为假想敌,否则美国怎么能容忍后院又出来个小刺头?
5th 发表于 2013-10-20 15:44
其实俄罗斯的经济在普京掌舵以后好了很多,但是对于开发第五代战机这样的吞钱机器还是比较无能为力,毕竟在 ...
关键是合作开发,巴西属于什么层次上,能分享多少东西?
关键是合作开发,巴西属于什么层次上,能分享多少东西?
俄国想让巴西分享帐单
fake3 发表于 2013-10-20 23:11
俄国想让巴西分享帐单
就是不知道巴西会象阿三那样,付账吗?阿三当年可是为苏30MKI的验证和最终的苏30SM的定型付了帐的。
楼主头像很眼熟
重复发帖,无连接出处
酸梅干 发表于 2013-10-21 22:49
楼主头像很眼熟
就是肥电啊,这个角度很有肌肉感。
巴西买棍子的可能都比su35大。毛子洗洗睡吧。
巴西还是把足球踢好就行了
你当巴西是挖玛雅金字塔起家的啊。。。