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How PAF,PLAAF and IAF would look by the end of 2017. I choose the year 2017 because I consider by this time all the three forces would retire their respective third generation fighters and they will be left with 4th gen fighters and hence. And even if any air force keep using their 3rd gen fighters, they are not included in the discussions.
到2017年时印度空军，巴基斯坦空军和中国空军将会是什么样？我之所以选择2017年是因为这时三个国家各自的3代战斗机将会退役，因此他们将只剩下4代机。即使任何一个国家继续使用他们的第3代战机，它们也不包括在讨论之中。
PAF:
1. F-16 - 77 (blk15 - 45, blk 40 & 52 32)
2. JF-17 - 125-150 (blk1- 50 blk2 - 75 to 100)
3. J-10 - 36
Fighters phased out:
1. F-7 - 180 (Copy of Mig 21 bought from China) (3rd gen aircraft)
2. Mirage III - 75 (Bought from France in 1968 and second hand from in 1990 after Australia retired it from their air force) (3rd gen fighters)
3. Mirage 5 - 82 (Bought 48 from france in 1973 and 20 second hand of their air force in 1990 and 14 in 2000 with Rose upgrade, which basically was a upgrade of air frame and some weapon bay.) (An upgrade variant of Mirage III basically a 3.5 gen fighter)
So total number of fighters with PAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 238 - 263.
巴基斯坦空军：
77架F-16战斗机，其中45架blk15，32架blk40&52。 125-150架JF-17战斗机，其中50架blk1，75-100架blk2。 36架J-10战斗机。
退役战机：
180架F-7战机，3代机。（从中国购买的复制自mig21），75架幻影III。（1968年从法国购买，以及1990年从澳大利亚空军购买的退役战机），82架幻影5。（1973年从法国购买48架，1990年从法国空军购买的20架二手战机。其中14架在2000年进行了技术升级，基本上只是对机体和一些武器舱进行了升级。幻影III的升级变体基本上可以算作3.5代战机。）
因此到2017年时巴基斯坦空军战机总数将维持在238-263之间。
PLAAF:
1. J-10 - 260/300 (approax) (190 already built and 110 expected of getting completed within next five year.)
2. J-11 - 210 (140 already built and 70 more on order.)
3. Su 27 - 76
4. Su 30mkk - 76
5. Jh-7 - 70 (Though less than 4th gen fighter but it actually serve as a bomber in PLAAF. Expected to serve till 2022 0r 2025.)
6. Su-35 - 24
J-16 - 36
Fighters phased out:
1. J-8 - 360 (3rd gen interceptor. Built on J-7 model.Enlarge version of J-7)
2. J-7 - 350 (Copy of Mig 21)
3. Q-5 - 130 (Early 1960's fighter.)
4. H-6 - 120 (Introduced in late 1950's era bomber.)
So total number of fighters with PLAAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 742 - 782.
中国空军：
J-10大约260到300架。（其中190架已经完成，另外110架预计在未来5年完成。），210架J-11。（140架已经完成，另外70架已经订购），76架su-27。76架su-30mkk。70架Jh-7(虽然和4代机差距甚远，但它实际上市作为中国空军的轰炸机.预计将一直服役到2022或者2025年），24架su-35，36架J-16.
退役战机：
360架J-8（3代拦截机，建立在J-7模型上,是J-7的放大版本），350架J-7（MIG21的抄袭版），130架Q-5（1960年初的战机），120架H-6（1950年底推出的轰炸机）。
因此到2017年时中国空军战机总数将维持在742-782之间。
IAF:
1。 Su 30mki - 270 (190 already built, 40 more expected by 2014 and 42 super sukhoi deal to be finalised.)
2. Mig 29 - 68 (63 to be upgraded to Mig 29 UPG standard.)
3. Mirage 2000 - 57 (All to be upgraded to Mirage 2000-5 mk2 standard)
4. Mig-27ML - 102
5. LCA mk1 - 40
Rafale - 40
Fighters phased out:
1. Mig 21 - 153
2. Jaguar - 151 (Though IAF don't have any plans to retire Jaguar by 2017 but since it is a 3rd gen fighter hence disregarded. I firmly believe it's nuclear firing capability is making IAF to not go ahead with any plans of phasing it out from service.)
So total number of fighters with IAF by the end of 2017 will be approximately 577.
印度空军：
270架su-30mki（其中190架已经完成，其中40架预计在2014年建成，还有敲定最终协议的42架超级苏霍伊），68架Mig29（63架将升级至Mig29UPG标准），57架幻影2000（所有都将升级至幻影2000-5 Mk2标准），102架Mig-27ML，40架LCA mk1,40架阵风。
退役战机：
153架Mig21,151架美洲豹（虽然印度空军没有任何在2017年退役美洲豹的计划，但因为它是第3代战机所以这里忽略掉。我坚信它投射核武器的能力让空军不继续计划的使其退出现役。）
因此到2017年时印度空军的战机数量大约将是577架。
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12-23-2012 10:14 AM rcrmj 地区：Wenzhou（中国，温州）
you need to phase out 24 Su-35 of PLAAF, its russian farce, and also need add J-16 and possibly J-20
你需要从中国空军去掉24架su-35，这只是俄罗斯的闹剧，列表里可能还需要添加J-16和J-20。
12-23-2012 10:17 AM sukhoi_30MKI 地区：india（印度）
Mate you forget to add Rafale to that list.
也许你忘了把阵风添加到列表之中了。
12-23-2012 10:17 AM silent poison 地区：Punjab（印度，旁遮普）
yupz .... Bro I guess you miss the 5th gen T-50 Pak FA .... Jet
and Rafale
哈。。。兄弟我想你忘记了5代机T-50 Pak FA.....喷气式战机和阵风。
12-23-2012 10:20 AM AUz 地区：USA（美国）
I don't see ALL PAF Mirages getting retired by the end of 2017....but yeah , PAF will be a smaller but harder hitting force in 2017. AWACS and Pakistani Satellites would be integrated with PAF command centers..
With 250+ BVR equipped fighters , backed by AWACS/Radars/tankers , PAF would be ready to defend the skies of Pakistan with even more effectiveness Inshallah...
我并没有看见巴基斯坦空军所有幻影战机都将在2017年退役的信息。。。。但是，的确到2017年巴基斯坦空军将成为规模将会更小但更加难以打击的力量。空中预警机将和巴基斯坦卫星将和巴基斯坦空军指挥中心整合在一起。
超过250架拥有超视距装备的战斗机，在空中预警机/雷达/加油机的支持下，巴基斯坦空军将准备更加有效的保卫巴基斯坦的天空！！
12-23-2012 10:24 AM silent poison 地区：Punjab（印度，旁遮普）
did he need to add AWACS then he should add 5 AWACS in Indian Airforce List !!
ops you miss tankers even don't forget to add Airbus A330 MRTT
首先他需要添加空中预警机，然后他应该在印度空军的列表里添加5架空中预警机。
你忘记了空中加油机，不要忘了在列表里加上空客A330 MRTT。
12-23-2012 10:26 AM Hu Songshan 地区：House（在家里）
Originally Posted by Anony View Post
PLAAF:
1. J-10 - 260/300 (approax) (190 already built and 110 expected of getting completed within next five year.)
2. J-11 - 210 (140 already built and 70 more on order.)
3. Su 27 - 76
4. Su 30mkk - 76
5. Jh-7 - 70 (Though less than 4th gen fighter but it actually serve as a bomber in PLAAF. Expected to serve till 2022 0r 2025.)
6. Su-35 - 24
Fighters phased out:
1. J-8 - 360 (3rd gen interceptor. Built on J-7 model.Enlarge version of J-7)
2. J-7 - 350 (Copy of Mig 21)
3. Q-5 - 130 (Early 1960's fighter.)
4. H-6 - 120 (Introduced in late 1950's era bomber.)
So total number of fighters with PLAAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 706 - 746.
Some inaccuracies on this the SU-35 has not even been confirmed its been repeated since 2006 which was denied . The H-6 can be expected to be in service until 2020 and so on, you have missed the induction of the J-16 which the PLAAF will plan to introduce in 2016, but I agree on the Increase of the J-10 and J-11 models PLAAF by 2020 will be mostly made up of third(fourth) and fourth(fifth).
回复Anony：
这些关于su-35的信息并不准确甚至没有经过证实，自2006年起它就被中国一直再三拒绝。H-6预期可以服役到2020年，你忘记了归纳J-16，中国空军准备计划J-16将在2016年服役。但是我同意增加J-10和J-11的型号，到2020年时中国空军将主要由第三（第四）和第四（第五）代战机组成。
12-23-2012 10:29 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by silent poison View Post
yupz .... Bro I guess you miss the 5th gen T-50 Pak FA .... Jet
and Rafale
FGFA, J-20 will not be ready for induction by 2017. 2 squadron of rafale can be added. I will do that later
回复silent poison：
FAGA和J20不能再2017年做好服役的准备。可以添加2个中队的阵风，稍后我会去做。
12-23-2012 10:31 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by Hu Songshan View Post
Some inaccuracies on this the SU-35 has not even been confirmed its been repeated since 2006 which was denied . The H-6 can be expected to be in service until 2020 and so on, you have missed the induction of the J-16 which the PLAAF will plan to introduce in 2016, but I agree on the Increase of the J-10 and J-11 models PLAAF by 2020 will be mostly made up of third(fourth) and fourth(fifth)。
H-6 may serve till 2020, but owing to it's outdated technology of 1950's, I can't include that in the list. And yes thanks for J -16. I too think a squadron of J-16 need to be added.
回复Hu Songshan：
H-6也许可以服役到2020年，但由于它使用1950年的过时技术，我不能将其包括在列表之中。是的感谢你提醒J-16。我也觉得需要添加一个中队的J-16。
12-23-2012 10:33 AM Hu Songshan 地区：House（在家里）
Originally Posted by Anony View Post
H-6 may serve till 2020, but owing to it's outdated technology of 1950's, I can't include that in the list. And yes thanks for J -16. I too think a squadron of J-16 need to be added.
B-52 is 1950's technology yet the US uses it and plans to keep it until 2040 in service by upgrading same with the H-6 older outdated models will be replaced newer ones.
回复Anony：
B-52使用的是1950年的技术，但美国计划通过技术升级使其一直服役到2040年。而老式的H-6也将被替换为较新的型号。
12-23-2012 10:35 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by silent poison View Post
did he need to add AWACS then he should add 5 AWACS in Indian Airforce List !!
ops you miss tankers even don't forget to add Airbus A330 MRTT
List is only for combat aircrafts and not for support aircrafts.
回复silent poison：
列表只列举作战飞机不算维持飞机。
12-23-2012 10:38 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by rcrmj View Post
you need to phase out 24 Su-35 of PLAAF, its russian farce, and also need add J-16 and possibly J-20
Don't say it a russian farce. Su-35 is an excellent platform.
回复rcrmj：
不要说这只是俄罗斯的一个闹剧。su-35是一个很好的作战平台。
Originally Posted by Hu Songshan View Post
B-52 is 1950's technology yet the US uses it and plans to keep it until 2040 in service by upgrading same with the H-6 older outdated models will be replaced newer ones.
B-52 has some stealth features in it in the design phase itself. Thus it can be used but H-6 do not. I understand that bombers avionics don't need to be like fighters, that's why I kept JH-7 in the list but sorry bro H-6 cann't be accepted there.
回复 Hu Songshan：
B-52本身在设计阶段就具备一定的隐形功能。因此它可以继续使用，但是H-6不行。据我所知轰炸机的航空电子设备不需要和战斗机一样。这就是JH-7为什么一直在我的列表上，但是对不起兄弟H-6不能被列表接受。
链接：http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/6955.htmlHow PAF,PLAAF and IAF would look by the end of 2017. I choose the year 2017 because I consider by this time all the three forces would retire their respective third generation fighters and they will be left with 4th gen fighters and hence. And even if any air force keep using their 3rd gen fighters, they are not included in the discussions.
到2017年时印度空军，巴基斯坦空军和中国空军将会是什么样？我之所以选择2017年是因为这时三个国家各自的3代战斗机将会退役，因此他们将只剩下4代机。即使任何一个国家继续使用他们的第3代战机，它们也不包括在讨论之中。
PAF:
1. F-16 - 77 (blk15 - 45, blk 40 & 52 32)
2. JF-17 - 125-150 (blk1- 50 blk2 - 75 to 100)
3. J-10 - 36
Fighters phased out:
1. F-7 - 180 (Copy of Mig 21 bought from China) (3rd gen aircraft)
2. Mirage III - 75 (Bought from France in 1968 and second hand from in 1990 after Australia retired it from their air force) (3rd gen fighters)
3. Mirage 5 - 82 (Bought 48 from france in 1973 and 20 second hand of their air force in 1990 and 14 in 2000 with Rose upgrade, which basically was a upgrade of air frame and some weapon bay.) (An upgrade variant of Mirage III basically a 3.5 gen fighter)
So total number of fighters with PAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 238 - 263.
巴基斯坦空军：
77架F-16战斗机，其中45架blk15，32架blk40&52。 125-150架JF-17战斗机，其中50架blk1，75-100架blk2。 36架J-10战斗机。
退役战机：
180架F-7战机，3代机。（从中国购买的复制自mig21），75架幻影III。（1968年从法国购买，以及1990年从澳大利亚空军购买的退役战机），82架幻影5。（1973年从法国购买48架，1990年从法国空军购买的20架二手战机。其中14架在2000年进行了技术升级，基本上只是对机体和一些武器舱进行了升级。幻影III的升级变体基本上可以算作3.5代战机。）
因此到2017年时巴基斯坦空军战机总数将维持在238-263之间。
PLAAF:
1. J-10 - 260/300 (approax) (190 already built and 110 expected of getting completed within next five year.)
2. J-11 - 210 (140 already built and 70 more on order.)
3. Su 27 - 76
4. Su 30mkk - 76
5. Jh-7 - 70 (Though less than 4th gen fighter but it actually serve as a bomber in PLAAF. Expected to serve till 2022 0r 2025.)
6. Su-35 - 24
J-16 - 36
Fighters phased out:
1. J-8 - 360 (3rd gen interceptor. Built on J-7 model.Enlarge version of J-7)
2. J-7 - 350 (Copy of Mig 21)
3. Q-5 - 130 (Early 1960's fighter.)
4. H-6 - 120 (Introduced in late 1950's era bomber.)
So total number of fighters with PLAAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 742 - 782.
中国空军：
J-10大约260到300架。（其中190架已经完成，另外110架预计在未来5年完成。），210架J-11。（140架已经完成，另外70架已经订购），76架su-27。76架su-30mkk。70架Jh-7(虽然和4代机差距甚远，但它实际上市作为中国空军的轰炸机.预计将一直服役到2022或者2025年），24架su-35，36架J-16.
退役战机：
360架J-8（3代拦截机，建立在J-7模型上,是J-7的放大版本），350架J-7（MIG21的抄袭版），130架Q-5（1960年初的战机），120架H-6（1950年底推出的轰炸机）。
因此到2017年时中国空军战机总数将维持在742-782之间。
IAF:
1。 Su 30mki - 270 (190 already built, 40 more expected by 2014 and 42 super sukhoi deal to be finalised.)
2. Mig 29 - 68 (63 to be upgraded to Mig 29 UPG standard.)
3. Mirage 2000 - 57 (All to be upgraded to Mirage 2000-5 mk2 standard)
4. Mig-27ML - 102
5. LCA mk1 - 40
Rafale - 40
Fighters phased out:
1. Mig 21 - 153
2. Jaguar - 151 (Though IAF don't have any plans to retire Jaguar by 2017 but since it is a 3rd gen fighter hence disregarded. I firmly believe it's nuclear firing capability is making IAF to not go ahead with any plans of phasing it out from service.)
So total number of fighters with IAF by the end of 2017 will be approximately 577.
印度空军：
270架su-30mki（其中190架已经完成，其中40架预计在2014年建成，还有敲定最终协议的42架超级苏霍伊），68架Mig29（63架将升级至Mig29UPG标准），57架幻影2000（所有都将升级至幻影2000-5 Mk2标准），102架Mig-27ML，40架LCA mk1,40架阵风。
退役战机：
153架Mig21,151架美洲豹（虽然印度空军没有任何在2017年退役美洲豹的计划，但因为它是第3代战机所以这里忽略掉。我坚信它投射核武器的能力让空军不继续计划的使其退出现役。）
因此到2017年时印度空军的战机数量大约将是577架。
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12-23-2012 10:14 AM rcrmj 地区：Wenzhou（中国，温州）
you need to phase out 24 Su-35 of PLAAF, its russian farce, and also need add J-16 and possibly J-20
你需要从中国空军去掉24架su-35，这只是俄罗斯的闹剧，列表里可能还需要添加J-16和J-20。
12-23-2012 10:17 AM sukhoi_30MKI 地区：india（印度）
Mate you forget to add Rafale to that list.
也许你忘了把阵风添加到列表之中了。
12-23-2012 10:17 AM silent poison 地区：Punjab（印度，旁遮普）
yupz .... Bro I guess you miss the 5th gen T-50 Pak FA .... Jet
and Rafale
哈。。。兄弟我想你忘记了5代机T-50 Pak FA.....喷气式战机和阵风。
12-23-2012 10:20 AM AUz 地区：USA（美国）
I don't see ALL PAF Mirages getting retired by the end of 2017....but yeah , PAF will be a smaller but harder hitting force in 2017. AWACS and Pakistani Satellites would be integrated with PAF command centers..
With 250+ BVR equipped fighters , backed by AWACS/Radars/tankers , PAF would be ready to defend the skies of Pakistan with even more effectiveness Inshallah...
我并没有看见巴基斯坦空军所有幻影战机都将在2017年退役的信息。。。。但是，的确到2017年巴基斯坦空军将成为规模将会更小但更加难以打击的力量。空中预警机将和巴基斯坦卫星将和巴基斯坦空军指挥中心整合在一起。
超过250架拥有超视距装备的战斗机，在空中预警机/雷达/加油机的支持下，巴基斯坦空军将准备更加有效的保卫巴基斯坦的天空！！
12-23-2012 10:24 AM silent poison 地区：Punjab（印度，旁遮普）
did he need to add AWACS then he should add 5 AWACS in Indian Airforce List !!
ops you miss tankers even don't forget to add Airbus A330 MRTT
首先他需要添加空中预警机，然后他应该在印度空军的列表里添加5架空中预警机。
你忘记了空中加油机，不要忘了在列表里加上空客A330 MRTT。
12-23-2012 10:26 AM Hu Songshan 地区：House（在家里）
Originally Posted by Anony View Post
PLAAF:
1. J-10 - 260/300 (approax) (190 already built and 110 expected of getting completed within next five year.)
2. J-11 - 210 (140 already built and 70 more on order.)
3. Su 27 - 76
4. Su 30mkk - 76
5. Jh-7 - 70 (Though less than 4th gen fighter but it actually serve as a bomber in PLAAF. Expected to serve till 2022 0r 2025.)
6. Su-35 - 24
Fighters phased out:
1. J-8 - 360 (3rd gen interceptor. Built on J-7 model.Enlarge version of J-7)
2. J-7 - 350 (Copy of Mig 21)
3. Q-5 - 130 (Early 1960's fighter.)
4. H-6 - 120 (Introduced in late 1950's era bomber.)
So total number of fighters with PLAAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 706 - 746.
Some inaccuracies on this the SU-35 has not even been confirmed its been repeated since 2006 which was denied . The H-6 can be expected to be in service until 2020 and so on, you have missed the induction of the J-16 which the PLAAF will plan to introduce in 2016, but I agree on the Increase of the J-10 and J-11 models PLAAF by 2020 will be mostly made up of third(fourth) and fourth(fifth).
回复Anony：
这些关于su-35的信息并不准确甚至没有经过证实，自2006年起它就被中国一直再三拒绝。H-6预期可以服役到2020年，你忘记了归纳J-16，中国空军准备计划J-16将在2016年服役。但是我同意增加J-10和J-11的型号，到2020年时中国空军将主要由第三（第四）和第四（第五）代战机组成。
12-23-2012 10:29 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by silent poison View Post
yupz .... Bro I guess you miss the 5th gen T-50 Pak FA .... Jet
and Rafale
FGFA, J-20 will not be ready for induction by 2017. 2 squadron of rafale can be added. I will do that later
回复silent poison：
FAGA和J20不能再2017年做好服役的准备。可以添加2个中队的阵风，稍后我会去做。
12-23-2012 10:31 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by Hu Songshan View Post
Some inaccuracies on this the SU-35 has not even been confirmed its been repeated since 2006 which was denied . The H-6 can be expected to be in service until 2020 and so on, you have missed the induction of the J-16 which the PLAAF will plan to introduce in 2016, but I agree on the Increase of the J-10 and J-11 models PLAAF by 2020 will be mostly made up of third(fourth) and fourth(fifth)。
H-6 may serve till 2020, but owing to it's outdated technology of 1950's, I can't include that in the list. And yes thanks for J -16. I too think a squadron of J-16 need to be added.
回复Hu Songshan：
H-6也许可以服役到2020年，但由于它使用1950年的过时技术，我不能将其包括在列表之中。是的感谢你提醒J-16。我也觉得需要添加一个中队的J-16。
12-23-2012 10:33 AM Hu Songshan 地区：House（在家里）
Originally Posted by Anony View Post
H-6 may serve till 2020, but owing to it's outdated technology of 1950's, I can't include that in the list. And yes thanks for J -16. I too think a squadron of J-16 need to be added.
B-52 is 1950's technology yet the US uses it and plans to keep it until 2040 in service by upgrading same with the H-6 older outdated models will be replaced newer ones.
回复Anony：
B-52使用的是1950年的技术，但美国计划通过技术升级使其一直服役到2040年。而老式的H-6也将被替换为较新的型号。
12-23-2012 10:35 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by silent poison View Post
did he need to add AWACS then he should add 5 AWACS in Indian Airforce List !!
ops you miss tankers even don't forget to add Airbus A330 MRTT
List is only for combat aircrafts and not for support aircrafts.
回复silent poison：
列表只列举作战飞机不算维持飞机。
12-23-2012 10:38 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by rcrmj View Post
you need to phase out 24 Su-35 of PLAAF, its russian farce, and also need add J-16 and possibly J-20
Don't say it a russian farce. Su-35 is an excellent platform.
回复rcrmj：
不要说这只是俄罗斯的一个闹剧。su-35是一个很好的作战平台。
Originally Posted by Hu Songshan View Post
B-52 is 1950's technology yet the US uses it and plans to keep it until 2040 in service by upgrading same with the H-6 older outdated models will be replaced newer ones.
B-52 has some stealth features in it in the design phase itself. Thus it can be used but H-6 do not. I understand that bombers avionics don't need to be like fighters, that's why I kept JH-7 in the list but sorry bro H-6 cann't be accepted there.
回复 Hu Songshan：
B-52本身在设计阶段就具备一定的隐形功能。因此它可以继续使用，但是H-6不行。据我所知轰炸机的航空电子设备不需要和战斗机一样。这就是JH-7为什么一直在我的列表上，但是对不起兄弟H-6不能被列表接受。
链接：http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/6955.html
到2017年时印度空军，巴基斯坦空军和中国空军将会是什么样？我之所以选择2017年是因为这时三个国家各自的3代战斗机将会退役，因此他们将只剩下4代机。即使任何一个国家继续使用他们的第3代战机，它们也不包括在讨论之中。
PAF:
1. F-16 - 77 (blk15 - 45, blk 40 & 52 32)
2. JF-17 - 125-150 (blk1- 50 blk2 - 75 to 100)
3. J-10 - 36
Fighters phased out:
1. F-7 - 180 (Copy of Mig 21 bought from China) (3rd gen aircraft)
2. Mirage III - 75 (Bought from France in 1968 and second hand from in 1990 after Australia retired it from their air force) (3rd gen fighters)
3. Mirage 5 - 82 (Bought 48 from france in 1973 and 20 second hand of their air force in 1990 and 14 in 2000 with Rose upgrade, which basically was a upgrade of air frame and some weapon bay.) (An upgrade variant of Mirage III basically a 3.5 gen fighter)
So total number of fighters with PAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 238 - 263.
巴基斯坦空军：
77架F-16战斗机，其中45架blk15，32架blk40&52。 125-150架JF-17战斗机，其中50架blk1，75-100架blk2。 36架J-10战斗机。
退役战机：
180架F-7战机，3代机。（从中国购买的复制自mig21），75架幻影III。（1968年从法国购买，以及1990年从澳大利亚空军购买的退役战机），82架幻影5。（1973年从法国购买48架，1990年从法国空军购买的20架二手战机。其中14架在2000年进行了技术升级，基本上只是对机体和一些武器舱进行了升级。幻影III的升级变体基本上可以算作3.5代战机。）
因此到2017年时巴基斯坦空军战机总数将维持在238-263之间。
PLAAF:
1. J-10 - 260/300 (approax) (190 already built and 110 expected of getting completed within next five year.)
2. J-11 - 210 (140 already built and 70 more on order.)
3. Su 27 - 76
4. Su 30mkk - 76
5. Jh-7 - 70 (Though less than 4th gen fighter but it actually serve as a bomber in PLAAF. Expected to serve till 2022 0r 2025.)
6. Su-35 - 24
J-16 - 36
Fighters phased out:
1. J-8 - 360 (3rd gen interceptor. Built on J-7 model.Enlarge version of J-7)
2. J-7 - 350 (Copy of Mig 21)
3. Q-5 - 130 (Early 1960's fighter.)
4. H-6 - 120 (Introduced in late 1950's era bomber.)
So total number of fighters with PLAAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 742 - 782.
中国空军：
J-10大约260到300架。（其中190架已经完成，另外110架预计在未来5年完成。），210架J-11。（140架已经完成，另外70架已经订购），76架su-27。76架su-30mkk。70架Jh-7(虽然和4代机差距甚远，但它实际上市作为中国空军的轰炸机.预计将一直服役到2022或者2025年），24架su-35，36架J-16.
退役战机：
360架J-8（3代拦截机，建立在J-7模型上,是J-7的放大版本），350架J-7（MIG21的抄袭版），130架Q-5（1960年初的战机），120架H-6（1950年底推出的轰炸机）。
因此到2017年时中国空军战机总数将维持在742-782之间。
IAF:
1。 Su 30mki - 270 (190 already built, 40 more expected by 2014 and 42 super sukhoi deal to be finalised.)
2. Mig 29 - 68 (63 to be upgraded to Mig 29 UPG standard.)
3. Mirage 2000 - 57 (All to be upgraded to Mirage 2000-5 mk2 standard)
4. Mig-27ML - 102
5. LCA mk1 - 40
Rafale - 40
Fighters phased out:
1. Mig 21 - 153
2. Jaguar - 151 (Though IAF don't have any plans to retire Jaguar by 2017 but since it is a 3rd gen fighter hence disregarded. I firmly believe it's nuclear firing capability is making IAF to not go ahead with any plans of phasing it out from service.)
So total number of fighters with IAF by the end of 2017 will be approximately 577.
印度空军：
270架su-30mki（其中190架已经完成，其中40架预计在2014年建成，还有敲定最终协议的42架超级苏霍伊），68架Mig29（63架将升级至Mig29UPG标准），57架幻影2000（所有都将升级至幻影2000-5 Mk2标准），102架Mig-27ML，40架LCA mk1,40架阵风。
退役战机：
153架Mig21,151架美洲豹（虽然印度空军没有任何在2017年退役美洲豹的计划，但因为它是第3代战机所以这里忽略掉。我坚信它投射核武器的能力让空军不继续计划的使其退出现役。）
因此到2017年时印度空军的战机数量大约将是577架。
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12-23-2012 10:14 AM rcrmj 地区：Wenzhou（中国，温州）
you need to phase out 24 Su-35 of PLAAF, its russian farce, and also need add J-16 and possibly J-20
你需要从中国空军去掉24架su-35，这只是俄罗斯的闹剧，列表里可能还需要添加J-16和J-20。
12-23-2012 10:17 AM sukhoi_30MKI 地区：india（印度）
Mate you forget to add Rafale to that list.
也许你忘了把阵风添加到列表之中了。
12-23-2012 10:17 AM silent poison 地区：Punjab（印度，旁遮普）
yupz .... Bro I guess you miss the 5th gen T-50 Pak FA .... Jet
and Rafale
哈。。。兄弟我想你忘记了5代机T-50 Pak FA.....喷气式战机和阵风。
12-23-2012 10:20 AM AUz 地区：USA（美国）
I don't see ALL PAF Mirages getting retired by the end of 2017....but yeah , PAF will be a smaller but harder hitting force in 2017. AWACS and Pakistani Satellites would be integrated with PAF command centers..
With 250+ BVR equipped fighters , backed by AWACS/Radars/tankers , PAF would be ready to defend the skies of Pakistan with even more effectiveness Inshallah...
我并没有看见巴基斯坦空军所有幻影战机都将在2017年退役的信息。。。。但是，的确到2017年巴基斯坦空军将成为规模将会更小但更加难以打击的力量。空中预警机将和巴基斯坦卫星将和巴基斯坦空军指挥中心整合在一起。
超过250架拥有超视距装备的战斗机，在空中预警机/雷达/加油机的支持下，巴基斯坦空军将准备更加有效的保卫巴基斯坦的天空！！
12-23-2012 10:24 AM silent poison 地区：Punjab（印度，旁遮普）
did he need to add AWACS then he should add 5 AWACS in Indian Airforce List !!
ops you miss tankers even don't forget to add Airbus A330 MRTT
首先他需要添加空中预警机，然后他应该在印度空军的列表里添加5架空中预警机。
你忘记了空中加油机，不要忘了在列表里加上空客A330 MRTT。
12-23-2012 10:26 AM Hu Songshan 地区：House（在家里）
Originally Posted by Anony View Post
PLAAF:
1. J-10 - 260/300 (approax) (190 already built and 110 expected of getting completed within next five year.)
2. J-11 - 210 (140 already built and 70 more on order.)
3. Su 27 - 76
4. Su 30mkk - 76
5. Jh-7 - 70 (Though less than 4th gen fighter but it actually serve as a bomber in PLAAF. Expected to serve till 2022 0r 2025.)
6. Su-35 - 24
Fighters phased out:
1. J-8 - 360 (3rd gen interceptor. Built on J-7 model.Enlarge version of J-7)
2. J-7 - 350 (Copy of Mig 21)
3. Q-5 - 130 (Early 1960's fighter.)
4. H-6 - 120 (Introduced in late 1950's era bomber.)
So total number of fighters with PLAAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 706 - 746.
Some inaccuracies on this the SU-35 has not even been confirmed its been repeated since 2006 which was denied . The H-6 can be expected to be in service until 2020 and so on, you have missed the induction of the J-16 which the PLAAF will plan to introduce in 2016, but I agree on the Increase of the J-10 and J-11 models PLAAF by 2020 will be mostly made up of third(fourth) and fourth(fifth).
回复Anony：
这些关于su-35的信息并不准确甚至没有经过证实，自2006年起它就被中国一直再三拒绝。H-6预期可以服役到2020年，你忘记了归纳J-16，中国空军准备计划J-16将在2016年服役。但是我同意增加J-10和J-11的型号，到2020年时中国空军将主要由第三（第四）和第四（第五）代战机组成。
12-23-2012 10:29 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by silent poison View Post
yupz .... Bro I guess you miss the 5th gen T-50 Pak FA .... Jet
and Rafale
FGFA, J-20 will not be ready for induction by 2017. 2 squadron of rafale can be added. I will do that later
回复silent poison：
FAGA和J20不能再2017年做好服役的准备。可以添加2个中队的阵风，稍后我会去做。
12-23-2012 10:31 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by Hu Songshan View Post
Some inaccuracies on this the SU-35 has not even been confirmed its been repeated since 2006 which was denied . The H-6 can be expected to be in service until 2020 and so on, you have missed the induction of the J-16 which the PLAAF will plan to introduce in 2016, but I agree on the Increase of the J-10 and J-11 models PLAAF by 2020 will be mostly made up of third(fourth) and fourth(fifth)。
H-6 may serve till 2020, but owing to it's outdated technology of 1950's, I can't include that in the list. And yes thanks for J -16. I too think a squadron of J-16 need to be added.
回复Hu Songshan：
H-6也许可以服役到2020年，但由于它使用1950年的过时技术，我不能将其包括在列表之中。是的感谢你提醒J-16。我也觉得需要添加一个中队的J-16。
12-23-2012 10:33 AM Hu Songshan 地区：House（在家里）
Originally Posted by Anony View Post
H-6 may serve till 2020, but owing to it's outdated technology of 1950's, I can't include that in the list. And yes thanks for J -16. I too think a squadron of J-16 need to be added.
B-52 is 1950's technology yet the US uses it and plans to keep it until 2040 in service by upgrading same with the H-6 older outdated models will be replaced newer ones.
回复Anony：
B-52使用的是1950年的技术，但美国计划通过技术升级使其一直服役到2040年。而老式的H-6也将被替换为较新的型号。
12-23-2012 10:35 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by silent poison View Post
did he need to add AWACS then he should add 5 AWACS in Indian Airforce List !!
ops you miss tankers even don't forget to add Airbus A330 MRTT
List is only for combat aircrafts and not for support aircrafts.
回复silent poison：
列表只列举作战飞机不算维持飞机。
12-23-2012 10:38 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by rcrmj View Post
you need to phase out 24 Su-35 of PLAAF, its russian farce, and also need add J-16 and possibly J-20
Don't say it a russian farce. Su-35 is an excellent platform.
回复rcrmj：
不要说这只是俄罗斯的一个闹剧。su-35是一个很好的作战平台。
Originally Posted by Hu Songshan View Post
B-52 is 1950's technology yet the US uses it and plans to keep it until 2040 in service by upgrading same with the H-6 older outdated models will be replaced newer ones.
B-52 has some stealth features in it in the design phase itself. Thus it can be used but H-6 do not. I understand that bombers avionics don't need to be like fighters, that's why I kept JH-7 in the list but sorry bro H-6 cann't be accepted there.
回复 Hu Songshan：
B-52本身在设计阶段就具备一定的隐形功能。因此它可以继续使用，但是H-6不行。据我所知轰炸机的航空电子设备不需要和战斗机一样。这就是JH-7为什么一直在我的列表上，但是对不起兄弟H-6不能被列表接受。
链接：http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/6955.htmlHow PAF,PLAAF and IAF would look by the end of 2017. I choose the year 2017 because I consider by this time all the three forces would retire their respective third generation fighters and they will be left with 4th gen fighters and hence. And even if any air force keep using their 3rd gen fighters, they are not included in the discussions.
到2017年时印度空军，巴基斯坦空军和中国空军将会是什么样？我之所以选择2017年是因为这时三个国家各自的3代战斗机将会退役，因此他们将只剩下4代机。即使任何一个国家继续使用他们的第3代战机，它们也不包括在讨论之中。
PAF:
1. F-16 - 77 (blk15 - 45, blk 40 & 52 32)
2. JF-17 - 125-150 (blk1- 50 blk2 - 75 to 100)
3. J-10 - 36
Fighters phased out:
1. F-7 - 180 (Copy of Mig 21 bought from China) (3rd gen aircraft)
2. Mirage III - 75 (Bought from France in 1968 and second hand from in 1990 after Australia retired it from their air force) (3rd gen fighters)
3. Mirage 5 - 82 (Bought 48 from france in 1973 and 20 second hand of their air force in 1990 and 14 in 2000 with Rose upgrade, which basically was a upgrade of air frame and some weapon bay.) (An upgrade variant of Mirage III basically a 3.5 gen fighter)
So total number of fighters with PAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 238 - 263.
巴基斯坦空军：
77架F-16战斗机，其中45架blk15，32架blk40&52。 125-150架JF-17战斗机，其中50架blk1，75-100架blk2。 36架J-10战斗机。
退役战机：
180架F-7战机，3代机。（从中国购买的复制自mig21），75架幻影III。（1968年从法国购买，以及1990年从澳大利亚空军购买的退役战机），82架幻影5。（1973年从法国购买48架，1990年从法国空军购买的20架二手战机。其中14架在2000年进行了技术升级，基本上只是对机体和一些武器舱进行了升级。幻影III的升级变体基本上可以算作3.5代战机。）
因此到2017年时巴基斯坦空军战机总数将维持在238-263之间。
PLAAF:
1. J-10 - 260/300 (approax) (190 already built and 110 expected of getting completed within next five year.)
2. J-11 - 210 (140 already built and 70 more on order.)
3. Su 27 - 76
4. Su 30mkk - 76
5. Jh-7 - 70 (Though less than 4th gen fighter but it actually serve as a bomber in PLAAF. Expected to serve till 2022 0r 2025.)
6. Su-35 - 24
J-16 - 36
Fighters phased out:
1. J-8 - 360 (3rd gen interceptor. Built on J-7 model.Enlarge version of J-7)
2. J-7 - 350 (Copy of Mig 21)
3. Q-5 - 130 (Early 1960's fighter.)
4. H-6 - 120 (Introduced in late 1950's era bomber.)
So total number of fighters with PLAAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 742 - 782.
中国空军：
J-10大约260到300架。（其中190架已经完成，另外110架预计在未来5年完成。），210架J-11。（140架已经完成，另外70架已经订购），76架su-27。76架su-30mkk。70架Jh-7(虽然和4代机差距甚远，但它实际上市作为中国空军的轰炸机.预计将一直服役到2022或者2025年），24架su-35，36架J-16.
退役战机：
360架J-8（3代拦截机，建立在J-7模型上,是J-7的放大版本），350架J-7（MIG21的抄袭版），130架Q-5（1960年初的战机），120架H-6（1950年底推出的轰炸机）。
因此到2017年时中国空军战机总数将维持在742-782之间。
IAF:
1。 Su 30mki - 270 (190 already built, 40 more expected by 2014 and 42 super sukhoi deal to be finalised.)
2. Mig 29 - 68 (63 to be upgraded to Mig 29 UPG standard.)
3. Mirage 2000 - 57 (All to be upgraded to Mirage 2000-5 mk2 standard)
4. Mig-27ML - 102
5. LCA mk1 - 40
Rafale - 40
Fighters phased out:
1. Mig 21 - 153
2. Jaguar - 151 (Though IAF don't have any plans to retire Jaguar by 2017 but since it is a 3rd gen fighter hence disregarded. I firmly believe it's nuclear firing capability is making IAF to not go ahead with any plans of phasing it out from service.)
So total number of fighters with IAF by the end of 2017 will be approximately 577.
印度空军：
270架su-30mki（其中190架已经完成，其中40架预计在2014年建成，还有敲定最终协议的42架超级苏霍伊），68架Mig29（63架将升级至Mig29UPG标准），57架幻影2000（所有都将升级至幻影2000-5 Mk2标准），102架Mig-27ML，40架LCA mk1,40架阵风。
退役战机：
153架Mig21,151架美洲豹（虽然印度空军没有任何在2017年退役美洲豹的计划，但因为它是第3代战机所以这里忽略掉。我坚信它投射核武器的能力让空军不继续计划的使其退出现役。）
因此到2017年时印度空军的战机数量大约将是577架。
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12-23-2012 10:14 AM rcrmj 地区：Wenzhou（中国，温州）
you need to phase out 24 Su-35 of PLAAF, its russian farce, and also need add J-16 and possibly J-20
你需要从中国空军去掉24架su-35，这只是俄罗斯的闹剧，列表里可能还需要添加J-16和J-20。
12-23-2012 10:17 AM sukhoi_30MKI 地区：india（印度）
Mate you forget to add Rafale to that list.
也许你忘了把阵风添加到列表之中了。
12-23-2012 10:17 AM silent poison 地区：Punjab（印度，旁遮普）
yupz .... Bro I guess you miss the 5th gen T-50 Pak FA .... Jet
and Rafale
哈。。。兄弟我想你忘记了5代机T-50 Pak FA.....喷气式战机和阵风。
12-23-2012 10:20 AM AUz 地区：USA（美国）
I don't see ALL PAF Mirages getting retired by the end of 2017....but yeah , PAF will be a smaller but harder hitting force in 2017. AWACS and Pakistani Satellites would be integrated with PAF command centers..
With 250+ BVR equipped fighters , backed by AWACS/Radars/tankers , PAF would be ready to defend the skies of Pakistan with even more effectiveness Inshallah...
我并没有看见巴基斯坦空军所有幻影战机都将在2017年退役的信息。。。。但是，的确到2017年巴基斯坦空军将成为规模将会更小但更加难以打击的力量。空中预警机将和巴基斯坦卫星将和巴基斯坦空军指挥中心整合在一起。
超过250架拥有超视距装备的战斗机，在空中预警机/雷达/加油机的支持下，巴基斯坦空军将准备更加有效的保卫巴基斯坦的天空！！
12-23-2012 10:24 AM silent poison 地区：Punjab（印度，旁遮普）
did he need to add AWACS then he should add 5 AWACS in Indian Airforce List !!
ops you miss tankers even don't forget to add Airbus A330 MRTT
首先他需要添加空中预警机，然后他应该在印度空军的列表里添加5架空中预警机。
你忘记了空中加油机，不要忘了在列表里加上空客A330 MRTT。
12-23-2012 10:26 AM Hu Songshan 地区：House（在家里）
Originally Posted by Anony View Post
PLAAF:
1. J-10 - 260/300 (approax) (190 already built and 110 expected of getting completed within next five year.)
2. J-11 - 210 (140 already built and 70 more on order.)
3. Su 27 - 76
4. Su 30mkk - 76
5. Jh-7 - 70 (Though less than 4th gen fighter but it actually serve as a bomber in PLAAF. Expected to serve till 2022 0r 2025.)
6. Su-35 - 24
Fighters phased out:
1. J-8 - 360 (3rd gen interceptor. Built on J-7 model.Enlarge version of J-7)
2. J-7 - 350 (Copy of Mig 21)
3. Q-5 - 130 (Early 1960's fighter.)
4. H-6 - 120 (Introduced in late 1950's era bomber.)
So total number of fighters with PLAAF by the end of 2017 will be in between 706 - 746.
Some inaccuracies on this the SU-35 has not even been confirmed its been repeated since 2006 which was denied . The H-6 can be expected to be in service until 2020 and so on, you have missed the induction of the J-16 which the PLAAF will plan to introduce in 2016, but I agree on the Increase of the J-10 and J-11 models PLAAF by 2020 will be mostly made up of third(fourth) and fourth(fifth).
回复Anony：
这些关于su-35的信息并不准确甚至没有经过证实，自2006年起它就被中国一直再三拒绝。H-6预期可以服役到2020年，你忘记了归纳J-16，中国空军准备计划J-16将在2016年服役。但是我同意增加J-10和J-11的型号，到2020年时中国空军将主要由第三（第四）和第四（第五）代战机组成。
12-23-2012 10:29 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by silent poison View Post
yupz .... Bro I guess you miss the 5th gen T-50 Pak FA .... Jet
and Rafale
FGFA, J-20 will not be ready for induction by 2017. 2 squadron of rafale can be added. I will do that later
回复silent poison：
FAGA和J20不能再2017年做好服役的准备。可以添加2个中队的阵风，稍后我会去做。
12-23-2012 10:31 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by Hu Songshan View Post
Some inaccuracies on this the SU-35 has not even been confirmed its been repeated since 2006 which was denied . The H-6 can be expected to be in service until 2020 and so on, you have missed the induction of the J-16 which the PLAAF will plan to introduce in 2016, but I agree on the Increase of the J-10 and J-11 models PLAAF by 2020 will be mostly made up of third(fourth) and fourth(fifth)。
H-6 may serve till 2020, but owing to it's outdated technology of 1950's, I can't include that in the list. And yes thanks for J -16. I too think a squadron of J-16 need to be added.
回复Hu Songshan：
H-6也许可以服役到2020年，但由于它使用1950年的过时技术，我不能将其包括在列表之中。是的感谢你提醒J-16。我也觉得需要添加一个中队的J-16。
12-23-2012 10:33 AM Hu Songshan 地区：House（在家里）
Originally Posted by Anony View Post
H-6 may serve till 2020, but owing to it's outdated technology of 1950's, I can't include that in the list. And yes thanks for J -16. I too think a squadron of J-16 need to be added.
B-52 is 1950's technology yet the US uses it and plans to keep it until 2040 in service by upgrading same with the H-6 older outdated models will be replaced newer ones.
回复Anony：
B-52使用的是1950年的技术，但美国计划通过技术升级使其一直服役到2040年。而老式的H-6也将被替换为较新的型号。
12-23-2012 10:35 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by silent poison View Post
did he need to add AWACS then he should add 5 AWACS in Indian Airforce List !!
ops you miss tankers even don't forget to add Airbus A330 MRTT
List is only for combat aircrafts and not for support aircrafts.
回复silent poison：
列表只列举作战飞机不算维持飞机。
12-23-2012 10:38 AM Anony 地区：Kolkata（印度，加尔各答）
Originally Posted by rcrmj View Post
you need to phase out 24 Su-35 of PLAAF, its russian farce, and also need add J-16 and possibly J-20
Don't say it a russian farce. Su-35 is an excellent platform.
回复rcrmj：
不要说这只是俄罗斯的一个闹剧。su-35是一个很好的作战平台。
Originally Posted by Hu Songshan View Post
B-52 is 1950's technology yet the US uses it and plans to keep it until 2040 in service by upgrading same with the H-6 older outdated models will be replaced newer ones.
B-52 has some stealth features in it in the design phase itself. Thus it can be used but H-6 do not. I understand that bombers avionics don't need to be like fighters, that's why I kept JH-7 in the list but sorry bro H-6 cann't be accepted there.
回复 Hu Songshan：
B-52本身在设计阶段就具备一定的隐形功能。因此它可以继续使用，但是H-6不行。据我所知轰炸机的航空电子设备不需要和战斗机一样。这就是JH-7为什么一直在我的列表上，但是对不起兄弟H-6不能被列表接受。
链接：http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/6955.html
su35 猴三就是在做梦
还要加上阵风？
还要加上阵风？
阿三就喜欢猜测，所有说：棒子掌控历史，WW掌握现在，阿三YY未来
I firmly believe it's nuclear firing capability is making IAF to not go ahead with any plans of phasing it out from service.
"我坚信它投射核武器的能力让空军不继续计划的使其退出现役。"
这段翻译得实在是蛋疼!
"我坚信它投射核武器的能力让空军不继续计划的使其退出现役。"
这段翻译得实在是蛋疼!
现代空军力量能够不考虑预警机和加油机吗？
B-52的隐身功能。。这是那个位面的B-52...
这数据没什么意义，三锅只是在比较战机型号和数量，忽略体系？
derkat77 发表于 2012-12-28 14:26 ![]()
B-52的隐身功能。。这是那个位面的B-52...
他肯定脑子里想的是B2。
B-52的隐身功能。。这是那个位面的B-52...
他肯定脑子里想的是B2。
B-52的隐身功能。。这是那个位面的B-52...
其实问题不是很大，因为的确有一定隐身效果？
其实问题不是很大，因为的确有一定隐身效果？
frozensaint 发表于 2012-12-28 14:28 ![]()
这数据没什么意义，三锅只是在比较战机型号和数量，忽略体系？
关键是数目也错误多多，呵呵，拼体系巴铁不如阿三，阿三不如TG，TG不如MD。
这数据没什么意义，三锅只是在比较战机型号和数量，忽略体系？
关键是数目也错误多多，呵呵，拼体系巴铁不如阿三，阿三不如TG，TG不如MD。
死胖子说2016年的，到时三哥什么想法
黑鸟522 发表于 2012-12-28 14:44 ![]()
关键是数目也错误多多，呵呵，拼体系巴铁不如阿三，阿三不如TG，TG不如MD。
MD体系第一这是公认的，兔子也在一直模仿学习，巴铁体系虽然不如阿三，不过据我所知空战中阿三好像也没占多大便宜吧。
关键是数目也错误多多，呵呵，拼体系巴铁不如阿三，阿三不如TG，TG不如MD。
MD体系第一这是公认的，兔子也在一直模仿学习，巴铁体系虽然不如阿三，不过据我所知空战中阿三好像也没占多大便宜吧。
黑鸟522 发表于 2012-12-28 14:44 ![]()
关键是数目也错误多多，呵呵，拼体系巴铁不如阿三，阿三不如TG，TG不如MD。
体系的话，巴铁用咱的预警机，能算成体系内么？至少会接受兔子的战场资讯啊。
关键是数目也错误多多，呵呵，拼体系巴铁不如阿三，阿三不如TG，TG不如MD。
体系的话，巴铁用咱的预警机，能算成体系内么？至少会接受兔子的战场资讯啊。
呵呵，不知道17年三锅的LAC好了没有啊，全世界人民都已经没有耐心了
寻找神机LCA。。。
注意木有，三哥说苏35只是毛熊的闹剧，这事传得这么久了吗？连三哥都在怀疑毛熊了。
三锅啊 总是好高骛远
我也想问呢，胖子说2016都算慢的，那怎么能不放进去呢……虽然只是A状态。
ohyes768 发表于 2012-12-28 15:12 ![]()
呵呵，不知道17年三锅的LAC好了没有啊，全世界人民都已经没有耐心了
三哥已经没有耐心了！
呵呵，不知道17年三锅的LAC好了没有啊，全世界人民都已经没有耐心了
三哥已经没有耐心了！
B-52本身在设计阶段就具备一定的隐形功能。
三锅忘了中国还有海航呢。
B-52本身在设计阶段就具备一定的隐形功能
波音747是不是隐形机？
波音747是不是隐形机？
7爷和8爷会全部退役吗？够呛。
就算性能不再先进，也不会把一半飞机都退役掉，还要保留编制不是。
就算性能不再先进，也不会把一半飞机都退役掉，还要保留编制不是。
18CM撸管炮 发表于 2012-12-28 14:15 ![]()
阿三就喜欢猜测，所有说：棒子掌控历史，WW掌握现在，阿三YY未来
精P。。。
阿三就喜欢猜测，所有说：棒子掌控历史，WW掌握现在，阿三YY未来
精P。。。
关键是数目也错误多多，呵呵，拼体系巴铁不如阿三，阿三不如TG，TG不如MD。
别！中国的北斗肯定是带巴铁用的，他现在的预警机也是我们造的，将来还会添加更多的中系装备，届时！巴铁的体系作战跟阿三不分上下，但这还要有个前提就是保证GPS不能失灵，别忘了我们为了巴铁有可能会使坏的！
别！中国的北斗肯定是带巴铁用的，他现在的预警机也是我们造的，将来还会添加更多的中系装备，届时！巴铁的体系作战跟阿三不分上下，但这还要有个前提就是保证GPS不能失灵，别忘了我们为了巴铁有可能会使坏的！
注意木有，三哥说苏35只是毛熊的闹剧，这事传得这么久了吗？连三哥都在怀疑毛熊了。
看来阿三变聪明了，聪明的阿三不是好阿三。
看来阿三变聪明了，聪明的阿三不是好阿三。
印度的苏30有270吗？我印象里140好像
算法不对，没扣掉可能摔掉的数量………
mopyfish 发表于 2012-12-28 10:47 ![]()
印度的苏30有270吗？我印象里140好像
有，算上明年开始交付的超级苏-30MKi，装有AESA，2017年阿三有两种三代半战机，也不容小视了。
印度的苏30有270吗？我印象里140好像
有，算上明年开始交付的超级苏-30MKi，装有AESA，2017年阿三有两种三代半战机，也不容小视了。
frozensaint 发表于 2012-12-28 14:55 ![]()
MD体系第一这是公认的，兔子也在一直模仿学习，巴铁体系虽然不如阿三，不过据我所知空战中阿三好像也没占 ...
巴铁的体系应该是TG提供的，而且战时可以整合到TG的体系里面来，三哥有钱买不到这技术的！真打起来可以由我国境内的预警机给巴铁和阿三境内的战机提供引导
MD体系第一这是公认的，兔子也在一直模仿学习，巴铁体系虽然不如阿三，不过据我所知空战中阿三好像也没占 ...
巴铁的体系应该是TG提供的，而且战时可以整合到TG的体系里面来，三哥有钱买不到这技术的！真打起来可以由我国境内的预警机给巴铁和阿三境内的战机提供引导
其实人家三锅有好几种体系结合在一起呢。。。还有阵风到2017年能交付几架？这几个月不是又把合同搁置了吗？那个传说中的光辉还真能光明正大的放到列表了吗？我觉得LCA要是能批量服役，J10应该不止这个数量的。
歼-11B 发表于 2012-12-28 17:43 ![]()
别！中国的北斗肯定是带巴铁用的，他现在的预警机也是我们造的，将来还会添加更多的中系装备，届时！巴铁 ...
据说阿三也要采用格洛纳斯，我们总不能搞鹅毛吧。。。
阿三还有大型预警机，MKI也比巴铁先进，作为体系节点作用也不可小视，随着时间发展只会差距越来越大，这是国力水平决定的。
别！中国的北斗肯定是带巴铁用的，他现在的预警机也是我们造的，将来还会添加更多的中系装备，届时！巴铁 ...
据说阿三也要采用格洛纳斯，我们总不能搞鹅毛吧。。。
阿三还有大型预警机，MKI也比巴铁先进，作为体系节点作用也不可小视，随着时间发展只会差距越来越大，这是国力水平决定的。
阿三的讨论还一本正经啊
frozensaint 发表于 2012-12-28 14:28 ![]()
这数据没什么意义，三锅只是在比较战机型号和数量，忽略体系？
我觉得他想说的是枪骑兵。
这数据没什么意义，三锅只是在比较战机型号和数量，忽略体系？
我觉得他想说的是枪骑兵。
居然没把兔子的歼15算进去
PLAAF:
1. J-10 - 260/300 (approax) (190 already built and 110 expected of getting completed within next five year.)
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明年J-10系列就超过300了 还用等到2017？
1. J-10 - 260/300 (approax) (190 already built and 110 expected of getting completed within next five year.)
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明年J-10系列就超过300了 还用等到2017？
du19971018 发表于 2012-12-28 15:29 ![]()
注意木有，三哥说苏35只是毛熊的闹剧，这事传得这么久了吗？连三哥都在怀疑毛熊了。
那个人在温州发的
注意木有，三哥说苏35只是毛熊的闹剧，这事传得这么久了吗？连三哥都在怀疑毛熊了。
那个人在温州发的
好无聊的对比，忽略了太多项目
derkat77 发表于 2012-12-28 14:26 ![]()
B-52的隐身功能。。这是那个位面的B-52...
A3的大嘴巴我们都见识过了，从那张嘴里吐出什么都不奇怪。
B-52的隐身功能。。这是那个位面的B-52...
A3的大嘴巴我们都见识过了，从那张嘴里吐出什么都不奇怪。
开玩笑！三哥一年能搞40架？谁来生产？