《原创翻译》英国人对“中国收买欧洲”的反应,标题要长

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Anybody who has ever done business in China will be able to tell you that the Chinese have real reservations about allowing foreigners to make money from them. They will do a joint venture to steal what you have and then open up their own company selling the same thing cheaper. They do this to each other also - it is just more pronounced with westerners.

If you hire a Chinese immigrant in your own country,  there is a 70% chance you will be training a future competitor. After 6 months or a year they will say they are leaving for family reasons or because they want to travel. A few months later you will find you have a new competitor and that your suppliers and customers have been approached by - and some are doing business with - your former staff member. They have spent the past year learning what you do and how you do it, who your suppliers are, who your customers are. Their relatives and friends put up the cash for the new business and off they'll go. Of course, westerners do this too. But I would say the figure would be maybe 5 - 10%, not 70%. There is nothing wrong with it - there is no law against competition - but it is quite shocking when you are not expecting it and not used to it.

There is also a real animosity against westerners in China - just below the surface. On a day to day basis they are friendly people and you can form great relationships with them - but once any disagreement or acrimony arises you immediately become again  the foreigner; the offspring of the people who invaded China, exploited it, disrespected and enslaved the people, burnt down the Summer Palace, and got them all hooked on drugs. They close ranks big time.

I honestly think the ONLY way you can make money from China is by selling them something they absolutely cannot copy themselves and which they desperately need, or  - status symbols. Australia, Canada, and other resource nations will make a killing over the long term. German cars, European fashion brands, likewise. But good luck with anything else. Whatever you show them they will reverse engineer and sell themselves.

I think there will eventually be some kind of international backlash about this behaviour. It is essentially a re-run of what happened a couple of centuries ago - a real unwillingness to play fair. And yes, every country has done this to some extent - the US, Japan - on their way to power and significance, but not to the same extent.

Call me crazy, but I think the idea that China will represent a vast market for British goods and services is just a hollow dream . You will get a tiny corner of it and you will be kept in that tiny corner - maybe not by legislation, but by a nod and wink between Chinese themselves. Nothing will ever come to pass anywhere near to the extent you imagine. But it will be dangled in front of you to entice you and you will lap it up for a while yet. If you've ever done business in China you know they do this as a matter of course - lay out the glorious future plans for the shared endeavour. Eventually you realise you are being shafted and the only company that ever seems to benefit is their company.

支持率 90

所有和中国做过生意的人都知道,中国人对外国人往往有所保留。他们会和你合伙干一段时间,窃取了你的技术后,另起炉灶并且把它弄成白菜价。他们往往也会在中国人自己之间这么做,不过对外国人却更不留情。

如果你雇用了一个中国移民,那么有70%的机会他们会成为你未来的竞争对手。在你公司干了半年到一年后,他们会找借口因故辞职,然后几个月以后,他们就会跟你竞争,甚至接触你的客户群和供应商,甚至你已经辞退掉的员工。他们的亲戚或者朋友直接出资,然后就会把公司做起来,当然西方人也有这么做的,但我只能说仅仅5%到10%,而不是70%,而这种做生意的方式会让你十分措手不及和着急

在中国还存在着普遍仇恨西方人的心态,并且是藏在表面以下,一般情况他们会比较友好,不过一旦出现分歧,他们就会搬出一幅仇恨外族的嘴脸,然后搬出火烧圆明园的情绪闭门不见

我认为你真要想在中国赚钱,只能贩卖给他们那些根本不能山寨的商品。譬如原材料,奢侈品还有德国车。除此之外,你根本没法做其他生意,因为他们会山寨后卖给自己的国人

我觉得整个世界有一天会联合反制这种行为,这很像美国和日本发家的历史,不过中国远远超越了世界可能容忍的级别

叫我疯子,我不觉得中国会向英国开放市场,你只会取得一小块蛋糕,然后就被晾在一边,甚至不需要政策管制,完全是中国人集体抱团的结果,他们这样做的目的是为了自己集团的长远利益,而不是外部竞争者的权益

The days of military might determining world influence are essentially over.  Yes, there will still be 3rd world countries like in Africa or the Middle East where 1st world military powers exert their overwhelming strength to crush some petty dictator.  However, among the world military powers, they all possess enough strength to make a war between powers a loss for both sides.  So influence going forward will be determined economically.   The UK and the rest of socialist Europe are not even in the running.  They jumped off the bandwagon after WWII when socialism and immigration from 3rd world countries accelerated.  Now they are a society of takers, not makers.  The US is not far behind.  The Democrats and their immigration and socialist policies have destroyed the US.  More people here live off the backs of the taxpayers through government handouts than there are workers.  Our currency is plummeting and debt piling up.  That leaves the Chinese to dominate the world economically.  They are the future of the world.  Liberalism killed Europe and the USA.

以军事力量操纵世界的可能性已经越来越渺茫,没错,这是世界之存在非洲和中东被第一世界欺凌颠覆的军事现实,但是,这年头很多国家的军事差距都小到能够同时摧毁对方的级别,所以,只有经济力量才能最终决定一个国家的兴盛。英国和其他欧洲国家甚至都不在这个梯队里,自从二战后的福利社会和移民狂潮,导致我们只进不出,美国也离这不远,冥煮JY和他们的移民经济政策已经摧毁了美国,我们的货币正在贬值和国债正在泛滥,只有中国人才能在经济上包揽世界,他们已经是世界的未来,滋油主义谋杀了欧洲和美国


支持率 43

The rich should get richer. And the poor had better get their act together and stop whining for a handout. Too many Americans think they are too good for all the jobs immigrants are very willing to do and the immigrants are boot-strapping themselves out of poverty in one generation. Meanwhile the growing army of US entitlement slackers and pot heads become an unacceptable drag on society.

有钱人应该变得更有钱,穷人应该好好反省自己,而不是天天无所事事,太多美国人自我感觉良好,把大把机会让给移民,然后移民又让自己脱贫致富。其间,还有一大堆坐山吃空的懒汉拖累整个社会

The Longbridge solution.

Chinese workers build the cars, take the technology and the profits.

British workers stick cutesy MG badges on the cars.

What kind of glorious busines model is this ?

中国工人建好车,包揽里面的科技和利润
英国工人把名爵的商标贴在上面

这是什么合资生意?

支持率 33

If the Euro is bailed out by the Chinese there will be a very heavy price to pay.

支持率 32

如果欧元被中国人拯救了,那可是要付出很大代价的

原文:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finan ... -save-the-euro.htmlAnybody who has ever done business in China will be able to tell you that the Chinese have real reservations about allowing foreigners to make money from them. They will do a joint venture to steal what you have and then open up their own company selling the same thing cheaper. They do this to each other also - it is just more pronounced with westerners.

If you hire a Chinese immigrant in your own country,  there is a 70% chance you will be training a future competitor. After 6 months or a year they will say they are leaving for family reasons or because they want to travel. A few months later you will find you have a new competitor and that your suppliers and customers have been approached by - and some are doing business with - your former staff member. They have spent the past year learning what you do and how you do it, who your suppliers are, who your customers are. Their relatives and friends put up the cash for the new business and off they'll go. Of course, westerners do this too. But I would say the figure would be maybe 5 - 10%, not 70%. There is nothing wrong with it - there is no law against competition - but it is quite shocking when you are not expecting it and not used to it.

There is also a real animosity against westerners in China - just below the surface. On a day to day basis they are friendly people and you can form great relationships with them - but once any disagreement or acrimony arises you immediately become again  the foreigner; the offspring of the people who invaded China, exploited it, disrespected and enslaved the people, burnt down the Summer Palace, and got them all hooked on drugs. They close ranks big time.

I honestly think the ONLY way you can make money from China is by selling them something they absolutely cannot copy themselves and which they desperately need, or  - status symbols. Australia, Canada, and other resource nations will make a killing over the long term. German cars, European fashion brands, likewise. But good luck with anything else. Whatever you show them they will reverse engineer and sell themselves.

I think there will eventually be some kind of international backlash about this behaviour. It is essentially a re-run of what happened a couple of centuries ago - a real unwillingness to play fair. And yes, every country has done this to some extent - the US, Japan - on their way to power and significance, but not to the same extent.

Call me crazy, but I think the idea that China will represent a vast market for British goods and services is just a hollow dream . You will get a tiny corner of it and you will be kept in that tiny corner - maybe not by legislation, but by a nod and wink between Chinese themselves. Nothing will ever come to pass anywhere near to the extent you imagine. But it will be dangled in front of you to entice you and you will lap it up for a while yet. If you've ever done business in China you know they do this as a matter of course - lay out the glorious future plans for the shared endeavour. Eventually you realise you are being shafted and the only company that ever seems to benefit is their company.

支持率 90

所有和中国做过生意的人都知道,中国人对外国人往往有所保留。他们会和你合伙干一段时间,窃取了你的技术后,另起炉灶并且把它弄成白菜价。他们往往也会在中国人自己之间这么做,不过对外国人却更不留情。

如果你雇用了一个中国移民,那么有70%的机会他们会成为你未来的竞争对手。在你公司干了半年到一年后,他们会找借口因故辞职,然后几个月以后,他们就会跟你竞争,甚至接触你的客户群和供应商,甚至你已经辞退掉的员工。他们的亲戚或者朋友直接出资,然后就会把公司做起来,当然西方人也有这么做的,但我只能说仅仅5%到10%,而不是70%,而这种做生意的方式会让你十分措手不及和着急

在中国还存在着普遍仇恨西方人的心态,并且是藏在表面以下,一般情况他们会比较友好,不过一旦出现分歧,他们就会搬出一幅仇恨外族的嘴脸,然后搬出火烧圆明园的情绪闭门不见

我认为你真要想在中国赚钱,只能贩卖给他们那些根本不能山寨的商品。譬如原材料,奢侈品还有德国车。除此之外,你根本没法做其他生意,因为他们会山寨后卖给自己的国人

我觉得整个世界有一天会联合反制这种行为,这很像美国和日本发家的历史,不过中国远远超越了世界可能容忍的级别

叫我疯子,我不觉得中国会向英国开放市场,你只会取得一小块蛋糕,然后就被晾在一边,甚至不需要政策管制,完全是中国人集体抱团的结果,他们这样做的目的是为了自己集团的长远利益,而不是外部竞争者的权益

The days of military might determining world influence are essentially over.  Yes, there will still be 3rd world countries like in Africa or the Middle East where 1st world military powers exert their overwhelming strength to crush some petty dictator.  However, among the world military powers, they all possess enough strength to make a war between powers a loss for both sides.  So influence going forward will be determined economically.   The UK and the rest of socialist Europe are not even in the running.  They jumped off the bandwagon after WWII when socialism and immigration from 3rd world countries accelerated.  Now they are a society of takers, not makers.  The US is not far behind.  The Democrats and their immigration and socialist policies have destroyed the US.  More people here live off the backs of the taxpayers through government handouts than there are workers.  Our currency is plummeting and debt piling up.  That leaves the Chinese to dominate the world economically.  They are the future of the world.  Liberalism killed Europe and the USA.

以军事力量操纵世界的可能性已经越来越渺茫,没错,这是世界之存在非洲和中东被第一世界欺凌颠覆的军事现实,但是,这年头很多国家的军事差距都小到能够同时摧毁对方的级别,所以,只有经济力量才能最终决定一个国家的兴盛。英国和其他欧洲国家甚至都不在这个梯队里,自从二战后的福利社会和移民狂潮,导致我们只进不出,美国也离这不远,冥煮JY和他们的移民经济政策已经摧毁了美国,我们的货币正在贬值和国债正在泛滥,只有中国人才能在经济上包揽世界,他们已经是世界的未来,滋油主义谋杀了欧洲和美国


支持率 43

The rich should get richer. And the poor had better get their act together and stop whining for a handout. Too many Americans think they are too good for all the jobs immigrants are very willing to do and the immigrants are boot-strapping themselves out of poverty in one generation. Meanwhile the growing army of US entitlement slackers and pot heads become an unacceptable drag on society.

有钱人应该变得更有钱,穷人应该好好反省自己,而不是天天无所事事,太多美国人自我感觉良好,把大把机会让给移民,然后移民又让自己脱贫致富。其间,还有一大堆坐山吃空的懒汉拖累整个社会

The Longbridge solution.

Chinese workers build the cars, take the technology and the profits.

British workers stick cutesy MG badges on the cars.

What kind of glorious busines model is this ?

中国工人建好车,包揽里面的科技和利润
英国工人把名爵的商标贴在上面

这是什么合资生意?

支持率 33

If the Euro is bailed out by the Chinese there will be a very heavy price to pay.

支持率 32

如果欧元被中国人拯救了,那可是要付出很大代价的

原文:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finan ... -save-the-euro.html
如果你雇用了一个中国移民,那么有70%的机会他们会成为你未来的竞争对手。在你公司干了半年到一年后,他们会找借口因故辞职,然后几个月以后,他们就会跟你竞争,甚至接触你的客户群和供应商,甚至你已经辞退掉的员工。他们的亲戚或者朋友直接出资,然后就会把公司做起来,当然西方人也有这么做的,但我只能说仅仅5%到10%,而不是70%,而这种做生意的方式会让你十分措手不及和着急
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这点真假且不做评论。。。但是我觉得后面少说了一段。。
当欧洲人发现这种情况的时候,他们第一反应是,看看你的体形,估计一下能不能打得过。
如果打得过,他们会直接干掉你,拿走你的生意和财富。当他发觉打不过你时,他会创造一条相关法律,
然后把你告上法庭,然后搞掉你。。。
为什么要收买欧洲?  有什么好买的?
欧洲毕竟有相当的力量,在经济上也是反美统一战线的一员
不能让欧洲轻易被打倒,这是中俄的共识
中国人在一千多年前就知道王侯将相宁有种乎了 有点野心的中国人在给老外打工一段时间后都会扯旗造反的 宁为鸡首不为牛后吗
好酸哦哈哈 其实西方人根本就不了解中国社会,一些人中文都不屑去学,并且对中国社会缺乏起码的尊重就想去中国赚钱? 知不知道中国有多少人?竞争有多大? 吃瘪了又说中国人抱团,难道你英国人愿意把自己本国的利益让一部分给中国人去赚?  什么民主国家的劳动者们,你们还是去工罢吧,这才是你们的职业。真不知道这些人说这些有什么意思,一边气愤自己的国家经济环境越来越差,而且很多外来的勤劳的移民在抢占着自己本国人的生存机会,一边又懒惰,不肯努力,坚决不肯牺牲自己一点私利来配合政府让自己国家的经济环境有所好转,难道别人努力工作而且还要把你们供着?
他真把他当成当年得日不落了..今天的实力的妳又能如何...
大概有不少英国人知道一点历史。..当初拿着枪炮逼中国造火车好让他们运鸦片以及控制...
如今咱们就算免费跟妳造高铁妳也不会甘愿的吧..
原创一定要支持

wzy090909 发表于 2011-6-28 02:46
好酸哦哈哈 其实西方人根本就不了解中国社会,一些人中文都不屑去学,并且对中国社会缺乏起码的尊重就想去中 ...


说的好--------
wzy090909 发表于 2011-6-28 02:46
好酸哦哈哈 其实西方人根本就不了解中国社会,一些人中文都不屑去学,并且对中国社会缺乏起码的尊重就想去中 ...


说的好--------
作者还真不太了解中国。
他们会和你合伙干一段时间,窃取了你的技术后,另起炉灶并且把它弄成白菜价。
哈哈···外国人什么时候这么了解我兔了··
英国……

猛然间发现日不落离开我们的视野已经好久,如果不是温家宝的访问,英国估计依然很难入CCAV的法眼,不会有超过3分钟的篇幅,这是我昨晚看新闻时的感受。
牛牛神马时候那么了解TG了?虽然说的还是错的
゛风_云ャ囝 发表于 2011-6-28 03:26
他真把他当成当年得日不落了..今天的实力的妳又能如何...
二战开始后就日落了
今天还有国家的头去英国视察这个呢
YAMNGAI 发表于 2011-6-28 02:44
中国人在一千多年前就知道王侯将相宁有种乎了 有点野心的中国人在给老外打工一段时间后都会扯旗造反的 宁为 ...
呃。。。

纠正一下

“王侯将相宁有种乎”——好像是秦末陈胜吴广的起义口号吧?距离现在可不止“一千多年”了。。。






 “壮士不死则已,死则举大名耳,王侯将相宁有种乎?”      
    陈胜于公元前209年(陈胜、吴广起义时间)在大泽乡号召起义时说的,意思是有权有势的高贵的人,难道生来就比别人高贵吗?王侯将相的贵都是靠自己打拼出来的,我们应该为改变自己的命运而敢于起义。表现了陈胜不甘心自己的命运,对命运不公平的忿懑和对抗。

————载于《史记·陈涉世家》 司马迁
别人不领情啊
希腊最近的街头大革命,比较说明欧洲经济的问题——

——“反对降低福利”、“反对消减补助”、“反对降低工资”、“反对增加税收”、“反对增加工作时间”……

总之一句话:活不能多干、钱不能少发、福利一分不可少、吃苦一点儿都不行~!不满足我的要求,那就砸你丫的政府、烧你丫的商店。

用我一个哥们评价欧洲“天堂社会”的话说:“整天就只会在太阳底下操逼、吸毒,还必须拿着每个月3000欧元的‘福利’——你不危机,TMD上帝都不同意!!”
希腊人的“休闲”社会,很早就闻名于中国的JY界了。。
西方的逻辑就是你是贫农,你家世世代代都是贫农,见不得别人超过自己
西欧太堕落了,不从自己身上找原因 光知道说后来者不守规矩,质量差 工人待遇低 各种抱怨 让我想起了满八旗
以前祖宗抢的东西都花光了,养了一群懒汉,杯具的欧洲
Superbow 发表于 2011-6-28 09:13
希腊人的“休闲”社会,很早就闻名于中国的JY界了。。
那帮所以的惊蝇不过是帮好吃懒做的家伙罢了,所以,多劳多得是必须的...!
又见抹黑中国的文章,呵呵
在任何领域聘请中国人都是在给自己树敌,即便是原材料和德国车,唯一例外的是足球
windrarara 发表于 2011-6-28 09:29
以前祖宗抢的东西都花光了,养了一群懒汉,杯具的欧洲
哈哈  所以说啊啊,当年希特勒没能统一欧洲还不知道是好事还是坏事累
redstorm 发表于 2011-6-28 02:21
如果你雇用了一个中国移民,那么有70%的机会他们会成为你未来的竞争对手。在你公司干了半年到一年后,他们会 ...
哈哈,精彩
以后家宝要少去这种在世界角落里的国家,
2楼够深刻,那些JY一定不会容忍i这么说他们心目中的爹的
每年到了欧洲假期,你想联系个人都难,那个效率
他们闹腾他们的,兔子闷头发展自己的~
他们闹腾他们的,兔子闷头发展自己的~
这哥们算是搞明白了
该用户只能删除 发表于 2011-6-28 09:48
在任何领域聘请中国人都是在给自己树敌,即便是原材料和德国车,唯一例外的是足球
深刻,太深刻。足协就是反驳中国威胁论的最佳证据。
反正我在欧洲的同学说,那地方很多国家一年有一半的时间街上没人,都在海边的沙滩上晒太阳.....
他们自己没有意识?懒惰和程式化是老欧洲的恶性肿瘤。
这些仆街,快玩不过我兔了,就发发酸文

windrarara 发表于 2011-6-28 11:06
反正我在欧洲的同学说,那地方很多国家一年有一半的时间街上没人,都在海边的沙滩上晒太阳.....


我朋友的一个姐姐在欧洲做生意,要在清晨报关接集装箱。3倍的工资没人去。
windrarara 发表于 2011-6-28 11:06
反正我在欧洲的同学说,那地方很多国家一年有一半的时间街上没人,都在海边的沙滩上晒太阳.....


我朋友的一个姐姐在欧洲做生意,要在清晨报关接集装箱。3倍的工资没人去。
欧洲人啊,都已经是衰朽的老人了…