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我在3楼说的四代相控阵雷达最近大家都看到了否，没有忽悠大家吧，Y-8机载激光系统很快就要出现了，也不忽悠大家~~~~
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最近大伙兴趣高昂，貌似TG的机载(舰载)激光要成了~~~
不过前两年，我和一个体制内的哥们探讨时，他曾透露TG的激光器还不行，主要是高功率大寿命的激光二极管不行，只能做个小不溜的，千瓦级别以上的就不行了，需要进口。在这块貌似华工和哈工大还有点实力，但是商业化的还是不行，难不成最近的化学激光器有新的进展？
此外，TG的C02、光纤激光器也不太行，最近貌似有点进展，大家讨论，讨论一下。
我在3楼说的四代相控阵雷达最近大家都看到了否，没有忽悠大家吧，Y-8机载激光系统很快就要出现了，也不忽悠大家~~~~
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最近大伙兴趣高昂，貌似TG的机载(舰载)激光要成了~~~
不过前两年，我和一个体制内的哥们探讨时，他曾透露TG的激光器还不行，主要是高功率大寿命的激光二极管不行，只能做个小不溜的，千瓦级别以上的就不行了，需要进口。在这块貌似华工和哈工大还有点实力，但是商业化的还是不行，难不成最近的化学激光器有新的进展？
此外，TG的C02、光纤激光器也不太行，最近貌似有点进展，大家讨论，讨论一下。
我不知道。我相信这里没人知道。你找国防科工委问问吧。
不要说我老是贬低TG，顺便说一下TG那些已经赶上或者即将赶上世界水平的。
1，红外焦平面成像技术，现在已经OK，所以四代的红外格斗弹OK了，基本和MD一个水平，可能在气动、可靠性、功耗方面还有点少少差距，但是不大。
2，T/R组件OK了，所以在相控阵雷达上已经OK了，四代机载雷达也OK了，不存在任何BKC。
3，CCD起步中，最近有突破，下个5年有可能出现星载0.2~0.5m相机。
4，WS-10 OK了，10年年产近200台，WS-10改WS-10B（用于J-10B，J-15）、WS-10G（用于J20收费）OK了，未来5-10年发动机有可能达到MD90~2000年代水平，和MD的差距缩短到10-15年之内吧。
1，红外焦平面成像技术，现在已经OK，所以四代的红外格斗弹OK了，基本和MD一个水平，可能在气动、可靠性、功耗方面还有点少少差距，但是不大。
2，T/R组件OK了，所以在相控阵雷达上已经OK了，四代机载雷达也OK了，不存在任何BKC。
3，CCD起步中，最近有突破，下个5年有可能出现星载0.2~0.5m相机。
4，WS-10 OK了，10年年产近200台，WS-10改WS-10B（用于J-10B，J-15）、WS-10G（用于J20收费）OK了，未来5-10年发动机有可能达到MD90~2000年代水平，和MD的差距缩短到10-15年之内吧。
身穿HKC，谨慎围观楼上
此贴目的不纯……内容敏感……建议大伙谨慎
内容太涉密了，不表态
确实有吧，在某个经常被CD和谐的网站上看到大婶说过，貌似J-20上也会有。
自己猜吧
注意看我的头像
coolvc2002 发表于 2011-5-2 22:10 ![]()
第四点从涡扇10B开始就不靠谱了。
第四点从涡扇10B开始就不靠谱了。
coolvc2002 发表于 2011-5-2 22:10 ![]()
介个嘛，俺觉得比较靠谱，相当的靠谱
介个嘛，俺觉得比较靠谱，相当的靠谱coolvc2002 发表于 2011-5-2 22:10 ![]()
WS-10系列似乎还不ok啊
WS-10系列似乎还不ok啊
回复 10# 苏联机器
WS-10B当时就是替换三姨夫准备的，主要是WS-10A长度和直径比三姨夫大，WS-10B尾部做了一定的改造，基本和三姨夫一样（外传是MD的Core，毛子的尾），WS-10G在WS-10B上做了一定的改进，这两个基本差不多的外形，主要增加了推力和可靠性，为四代收费准备的。
WS-10B当时就是替换三姨夫准备的，主要是WS-10A长度和直径比三姨夫大，WS-10B尾部做了一定的改造，基本和三姨夫一样（外传是MD的Core，毛子的尾），WS-10G在WS-10B上做了一定的改进，这两个基本差不多的外形，主要增加了推力和可靠性，为四代收费准备的。
歼15到底是国发还是毛发啊 怎么没有定论呢
coolvc2002 发表于 2011-5-2 23:07 ![]()
基本型以外的太行现在还没有足以对号入座的图出现。
黑丝的白菊我不表态，只能说毛味很重。
问题是你看你写的WS-10B，那东西不改动直接给中秋用？中秋初期的发动机不太可能有大幅增推，尽管会有一定比例的紧急增推可供起飞用。
基本型以外的太行现在还没有足以对号入座的图出现。
黑丝的白菊我不表态，只能说毛味很重。
问题是你看你写的WS-10B，那东西不改动直接给中秋用？中秋初期的发动机不太可能有大幅增推，尽管会有一定比例的紧急增推可供起飞用。
我怎么感觉知道"内情"的人好多啊。。。
太行改WS-10B的核心机以“太行”核心机为基础重新研制的，在设计过程中三大核心部件既高压压气机、环形燃烧室、高压涡轮等大量的参照并借鉴了AL-31F核心机的设计方法，结构细节设计和制造工艺。
coolvc2002 发表于 2011-5-2 23:39 ![]()
链接呢
链接呢
WS-10G 推力15,800 kg (155 kN) 用于四代收费。。。
平大秃子对我们的发动机也是很熟悉的，可以看简式的相关报道。
贴一个吧，简式的四代命名有误。。。
The design growth chart for engines produced by three of China's main propulsion system centres - Liyang Aero-Engine Corporation (LYAC) in Guizhou, Liming Aero-Engine Manufacturing Corporation (LMAC) in Shenyang and Xi'an Aero-Engine Corporation (XAC) - has been obtained by Jane's.The chart shows a clear plan for increasing the thrust and performance of China's major military engine designs, as well as confirming the existence of aircraft programmes currently in development.If the developmental timeline laid out is accurate, Chinese industry is well on its way to weaning itself from its current dependence on Russian industry as a source of engines for its most advanced fighter aircraft. Currently, China depends totally upon Russia for two of its most advanced fighter aircraft that are offered for export.
The indigenously developed Chengdu J-10 fighter is powered by the Salyut AL-31FN: a derivative of the Sukhoi Su-27's Saturn/Lyulka AL-31F. The FC-1/JF-17 fighter is fitted with one Chernyshev RD-93 engine: a variant of the Mikoyan MiG-29's Klimov/Isotov RD-33.Both aircraft are on track for use by China's major defence export customer, Pakistan. JF-17s are already being assembled at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and the J-10 is also planned for acquisition, being designated FC-20 in service.The long-term Chinese plan is for the LMAC WS-10A Taihang engine to become the basis for several successively more powerful designs.The WS-10A will first be introduced into the J-11 multirole fighter - the Chinese licence-assembled version of the Su-27 - and the J-11B, which is the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation's copy of the Su-27.
The first derivative, the WS-10B, augments the thrust of the engine from 13,469 kg (132 kN) to 13,766 kg (135 kN) and it is this variant that is planned to replace the AL-31FN in later production batches of the J-10. A later version of this engine, the WS-10G, has a thrust increase to 15,800 kg (155 kN) and will become not only the standard engine for the J-10 and J-11 but also the power plant for the proposed J-13 combat aircraft.The J-13 has only been seen in some artists' conceptions and drawings, but it is intended to be the first Chinese-designed carrier-capable twin-engine fighter, designed by the 601 Research Institute at Shenyang.Several sources state that it will not be a copy of the Russian-made Su-33, the navalised version of the Su-27, but will instead be a much more stealthy aircraft. Several elements necessary for the development of a carrier-capable fighter have been acquired by Chinese industry from both Russia and Ukraine.Russian sources told Jane's that China purchased the materials associated with the developmental work on the Su-27K - and the single prototype aircraft that was left in Ukraine after the break-up of the former USSR - from the Research Institute for Aeroelastic Systems in Feodosia.Chinese designers have reportedly already developed some components, such as landing gear configurations that allow for the higher sink rates required for a carrier-capable aircraft. The J-13 is projected to fly sometime around 2013.
Two other notable future aircraft programmes mentioned in this chart are:
The Xi'an JH-7B, with the plan that this new-generation aircraft will be powered by the LYAC WS-12B growth variant of the original WS-12 Taishan. This engine gives the aircraft a thrust increase to 10,200 kg (100 kN) over the JH-7A strike aircraft's Xi'an WS-9 at 9,400 kg (92 kN). The JH-7B is reported to be a much more stealthy version of the A model that will be used as an escort jammer aircraft for PLAAF Su-27Sk and Su-30MKK aircraft armed with the Zvezda-Strela Kh-31 anti-ship missile, as well as being a platform for the KD-88 air-launched cruise missile.
The new, modernised version of the Shenyang J-8 fighter, designated the J-8T, which will also receive a new engine. Its 8,160 kg (80 kN) LYAC WS-12 Taishan engine will be replaced by a LMAC WP-14C Kunlun-3 with 8,360 kg (82 kN) thrust. The same engine will also be installed in the Chengdu J-7 fighter and Guizhou (GAIC)/Chengdu JL-9/FTC-2000 jet trainer.
The dates on this chart also indicate considerable developmental and test lead times in these engine programmes. The WS-10A Taihang supposedly completed its endurance tests in 2005, but the milestone chart for Chinese engine development displayed by China's AVIC consortium at Air Show China 2008 in Zhuhai does not show the engine entering service until 2011.By the same token, the WS-12B Taishan engine for the JH-7B is supposedly in testing as of this year, but AVIC's timeline does not show this engine as IOC until well after 2020.Still unknown is which engine design is the "4th Generation Aeroengine" for "the 4th Generation Fighter in Development In China" that was listed on AVIC's projected future programmes chart at Zhuhai. AVIC project this unnamed engine for initial operating capability (IOC) around 2022, which might be the WS-10G or some other higher-thrust derivative.
Two clear conclusions are that China - after many years of trying - is finally building reliable, high-performance military-grade jet engines. It is a considerable achievement with long-term strategic implications, which is perhaps why at the 2006 Zhuhai Air Show the designer of the Taihang engine, Zhang Enhe, was given a Technology Pioneer Laureate award for his "18 years of hardship and difficulties" on developing this engine.Secondly, these programmes are a further blow to the already significantly declining level of defence exports from Russia to China. Earlier this month the General Director of Rosoboronexport (ROE), Anatoliy Isaikin, told the press that China's portfolio of purchases could soon drop from 40 per cent to 10 per cent of Russia's total export business. One of the few major orders to China still left, he mentioned, was the current contract to supply 100 AL-31FN engines to Chengdu for the next batch of J-10s. If the timeline for the WS-10B is correct this could be the last large-scale order for the AL-31FNs as well.
The design growth chart for engines produced by three of China's main propulsion system centres - Liyang Aero-Engine Corporation (LYAC) in Guizhou, Liming Aero-Engine Manufacturing Corporation (LMAC) in Shenyang and Xi'an Aero-Engine Corporation (XAC) - has been obtained by Jane's.The chart shows a clear plan for increasing the thrust and performance of China's major military engine designs, as well as confirming the existence of aircraft programmes currently in development.If the developmental timeline laid out is accurate, Chinese industry is well on its way to weaning itself from its current dependence on Russian industry as a source of engines for its most advanced fighter aircraft. Currently, China depends totally upon Russia for two of its most advanced fighter aircraft that are offered for export.
The indigenously developed Chengdu J-10 fighter is powered by the Salyut AL-31FN: a derivative of the Sukhoi Su-27's Saturn/Lyulka AL-31F. The FC-1/JF-17 fighter is fitted with one Chernyshev RD-93 engine: a variant of the Mikoyan MiG-29's Klimov/Isotov RD-33.Both aircraft are on track for use by China's major defence export customer, Pakistan. JF-17s are already being assembled at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and the J-10 is also planned for acquisition, being designated FC-20 in service.The long-term Chinese plan is for the LMAC WS-10A Taihang engine to become the basis for several successively more powerful designs.The WS-10A will first be introduced into the J-11 multirole fighter - the Chinese licence-assembled version of the Su-27 - and the J-11B, which is the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation's copy of the Su-27.
The first derivative, the WS-10B, augments the thrust of the engine from 13,469 kg (132 kN) to 13,766 kg (135 kN) and it is this variant that is planned to replace the AL-31FN in later production batches of the J-10. A later version of this engine, the WS-10G, has a thrust increase to 15,800 kg (155 kN) and will become not only the standard engine for the J-10 and J-11 but also the power plant for the proposed J-13 combat aircraft.The J-13 has only been seen in some artists' conceptions and drawings, but it is intended to be the first Chinese-designed carrier-capable twin-engine fighter, designed by the 601 Research Institute at Shenyang.Several sources state that it will not be a copy of the Russian-made Su-33, the navalised version of the Su-27, but will instead be a much more stealthy aircraft. Several elements necessary for the development of a carrier-capable fighter have been acquired by Chinese industry from both Russia and Ukraine.Russian sources told Jane's that China purchased the materials associated with the developmental work on the Su-27K - and the single prototype aircraft that was left in Ukraine after the break-up of the former USSR - from the Research Institute for Aeroelastic Systems in Feodosia.Chinese designers have reportedly already developed some components, such as landing gear configurations that allow for the higher sink rates required for a carrier-capable aircraft. The J-13 is projected to fly sometime around 2013.
Two other notable future aircraft programmes mentioned in this chart are:
The Xi'an JH-7B, with the plan that this new-generation aircraft will be powered by the LYAC WS-12B growth variant of the original WS-12 Taishan. This engine gives the aircraft a thrust increase to 10,200 kg (100 kN) over the JH-7A strike aircraft's Xi'an WS-9 at 9,400 kg (92 kN). The JH-7B is reported to be a much more stealthy version of the A model that will be used as an escort jammer aircraft for PLAAF Su-27Sk and Su-30MKK aircraft armed with the Zvezda-Strela Kh-31 anti-ship missile, as well as being a platform for the KD-88 air-launched cruise missile.
The new, modernised version of the Shenyang J-8 fighter, designated the J-8T, which will also receive a new engine. Its 8,160 kg (80 kN) LYAC WS-12 Taishan engine will be replaced by a LMAC WP-14C Kunlun-3 with 8,360 kg (82 kN) thrust. The same engine will also be installed in the Chengdu J-7 fighter and Guizhou (GAIC)/Chengdu JL-9/FTC-2000 jet trainer.
The dates on this chart also indicate considerable developmental and test lead times in these engine programmes. The WS-10A Taihang supposedly completed its endurance tests in 2005, but the milestone chart for Chinese engine development displayed by China's AVIC consortium at Air Show China 2008 in Zhuhai does not show the engine entering service until 2011.By the same token, the WS-12B Taishan engine for the JH-7B is supposedly in testing as of this year, but AVIC's timeline does not show this engine as IOC until well after 2020.Still unknown is which engine design is the "4th Generation Aeroengine" for "the 4th Generation Fighter in Development In China" that was listed on AVIC's projected future programmes chart at Zhuhai. AVIC project this unnamed engine for initial operating capability (IOC) around 2022, which might be the WS-10G or some other higher-thrust derivative.
Two clear conclusions are that China - after many years of trying - is finally building reliable, high-performance military-grade jet engines. It is a considerable achievement with long-term strategic implications, which is perhaps why at the 2006 Zhuhai Air Show the designer of the Taihang engine, Zhang Enhe, was given a Technology Pioneer Laureate award for his "18 years of hardship and difficulties" on developing this engine.Secondly, these programmes are a further blow to the already significantly declining level of defence exports from Russia to China. Earlier this month the General Director of Rosoboronexport (ROE), Anatoliy Isaikin, told the press that China's portfolio of purchases could soon drop from 40 per cent to 10 per cent of Russia's total export business. One of the few major orders to China still left, he mentioned, was the current contract to supply 100 AL-31FN engines to Chengdu for the next batch of J-10s. If the timeline for the WS-10B is correct this could be the last large-scale order for the AL-31FNs as well.
撤远了，不谈WS-10B/G吧，还是言归正传，谈我们的机载激光器，涉密的大家不要讲就行了。。。
10年前的文章了，大连化物所的氧碘打靶都打了多少年了................
http://news.dili360.com/dlsk/dlzh/2010/0519/27983.shtml
“两种高功率连续波化学激光器，3.8微米的氟氘激光器(DF)和1.315微米短波长氧碘激光器(COIL)，均取得突破性进展，功率和光束质量仅次于美国，达到当前国际水平。”
http://news.dili360.com/dlsk/dlzh/2010/0519/27983.shtml
“两种高功率连续波化学激光器，3.8微米的氟氘激光器(DF)和1.315微米短波长氧碘激光器(COIL)，均取得突破性进展，功率和光束质量仅次于美国，达到当前国际水平。”
此帖有刺探信息嫌疑
此帖有刺探信息嫌疑
刺什么探..................有空去看几本期刊比这个论坛上能得到的信息多多了.........................
似乎空气中灰尘会等物质严重影响对目标效果。
搞情报的吧
回复 27# zc1945
所以说，要选择合适的激光器，比如：1.05微米，否则在大气中衰减太厉害了，楼上的提到的那个，都是瞬态的，非连续稳定照射的激光，不能用于武器级别的，如果采用多级并连放大做到100KW稳定输出，就是可以打导弹了~~~
所以说，要选择合适的激光器，比如：1.05微米，否则在大气中衰减太厉害了，楼上的提到的那个，都是瞬态的，非连续稳定照射的激光，不能用于武器级别的，如果采用多级并连放大做到100KW稳定输出，就是可以打导弹了~~~
什么的干活
回复 2# 我是晓卿
同感，怪怪的楼主。。。。 又要大家进来讨，又要注意保密，难道想发掘苗子不成？
同感，怪怪的楼主。。。。 又要大家进来讨，又要注意保密，难道想发掘苗子不成？
大家讨论吧，3P哪去了呢？
lz，注意看9#的头像....
不会是WT来的吧？有木有？
此人动机不纯，小心被钓鱼。最近总有一些刚注册的号在发一些敏感的议题要求讨论，建议版猪删贴。
贴一个吧，简式的四代命名有误。。。
The design growth chart for engines produced by three of China ...
coolvc2002 发表于 2011-5-2 23:43
贴一个英文的就表示是真的了?如果你是真的和做这个的人讨论过,别人也没有任何理由告诉你实情.论坛上你不可能得到公开渠道以外的任何真正可靠的数据信息的,这东西是有红线的
贴一个吧，简式的四代命名有误。。。
The design growth chart for engines produced by three of China ...
coolvc2002 发表于 2011-5-2 23:43
贴一个英文的就表示是真的了?如果你是真的和做这个的人讨论过,别人也没有任何理由告诉你实情.论坛上你不可能得到公开渠道以外的任何真正可靠的数据信息的,这东西是有红线的
这个设计机密问题，一般人不会知道的，知道了也不敢说啊，因为AA的茶不好喝
建议LZ去高新班问问会有收获·······这里没核心人物， 泄的也都是假秘密 大家不要相信。
此贴有钓鱼的嫌疑，大家要慎重{:yi:}