超级军网再来刷屏，四代收费后的网民评论美帝CNN版
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翻译地址：http://www.ptfcn.com/ptfcn/js/222/
【译文-中文】【黑丝专题】【黑丝收费—CNN评论】
【原文-美国】China: New weapons not meant to pose threat
【原文地址】：http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORL ... us.gates/index.html
【发布日期】：2011-01-11
【翻译截止日期】：2011-01-12 13:04:12
【翻译评论数/总评论】： /
【翻译作者】：heisme1989
【联名作者】：柴不胡
译文导读：为庆祝此次丝带收费，翻译群确定推出一个专题，翻译不同国家及地区网民对收费的评论，预计将有日本，韩国，美国，德国，澳大利亚，巴基斯坦，印度，台湾，香港等。同时，这将是一个互动的过程，读者的反馈及评价都会影响到接下来的选材和题目，欢迎诸位读者在评论中写下自己想要了解的地方或者是论坛地址，以供译者参考。（略）
本文由柴不胡同学翻译并委托我进行排版，核对，发布。在此感谢柴不胡同学的辛勤劳动~
今日CNN发文——《中国：新武器并不意味着威胁》
文章报道了黑丝带收费和梁防长讲话：发展新式武器，不对任何国家构成威胁。
该文热度排名第五。仅次于亚利桑那枪击案、澳洲洪灾、facebook关闭传闻和暴雪迫近东海岸。
网友热烈评论。兹译如下。
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Willie12345
Moving jobs overseas, Chinese spying, failure to support American based companies, etc. All of these actions have resulted in our decline. Now is the time to show some resolve and stop this decaying of our country.
2 minutes ago | Like | Report abuse
向海外转移工作机会，中国间谍，不支持美国本土公司等等，这一切导致了我们的经济下滑。现在是时候下决心阻止我们国家的衰退了。
nyma11
I dont prentend to be an expert in aviation, although i am a licensed Civil pilot. I was under the impression that a stealth aircraft could have no angles, In other words it must be rounded on ALL sections to scatter the radar pings.
This aircraft in no way looks stealthly. it has right angles in some sections. unless this is made with some sort of radar absorbing material. it isnt stealth.
Anyone agree?
40 minutes ago | Like (2) | Report abuse
我无意冒充航空专家，尽管我是一名持有执照的民航飞行员。我感觉隐形飞机必须没有棱角，换句话说，所有的零部件必须是圆的，以分散消解雷达反射。这架战机咋看都不像隐形的。它有好多带尖角的部件。除非它是由某种可吸收雷达反射的材料。它不是隐形的。
johnbabiar
You impression is amazing!
17 minutes ago | Like | Report abuse
你的感觉真神奇！
CCS7
Gates should not be concerned about the progress of anti-ship cruise and ballistic missile or stealth fighter developments by China. He should be more concerned about the US economy which is on life support. With official unemployment close to 10% (unofficial estimates up to 16% if include those who gave up looking for a job). More people are lining the streets for food stamps while 1 in 7 American live below official poverty level according to 2009 census.
He should be concerned that Obama has lost the House to the Republicans. So QE3 would not be any easier. So instead of keeping up appearances, he should be worried about money not being wired out of Washington to prop up the vanity of the military empire that he has oversight.
44 minutes ago | Like (2) | Report abuse
盖茨不应该担心中国的反舰巡航导弹和弹道导弹或者隐形飞机，他应担心的是维系众生的美国经济。官方公布的失业率接近10%（非官方估测，如果算上那些放弃寻找工作的人，这一数字接近16%）。更多的人在街头游荡等待食物。据2009年的统计，每7个美国人里就有一个在官方公布的贫困线下挣扎。
他应当担心奥巴马已经把国会输给了共和党。所以，QE3不会那么容易，所以，别再只顾表面风光了，他应当担心华盛顿不再花钱资助他那自负、空虚的军事帝国了。
rickshawboi
Financiers of US high tech corps pursue quick profits
with H1B, which (1) lowers US high tech salaries, (2)
puts US citizens under pressure at work (3) allows
H1B's to send US salaries back home + hight tech
info from work in nightly emails (4) drives US citizens from high tech (5) puts US soldiers at risk to face US
grown technology aginst them in the future...
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美国科技公司的金融家们依靠临时工作签证追求快速获利。这些人（1）降低美国高科技企业的薪资（2）让美国公民工作压力陡增；（3）允许技术移民向家中寄美国薪水，每天晚上都通过邮件把工作中获取的高科技信息发回国（4）把美国公民从高科技行业驱离（5）让美国士兵在未来处于面对敌国用美国科技对付他们的风险。
Willie12345
Well said. Plus Us Universities educate large numbers of non-citizens, who go back home and compete with us. Don't believe me ?? Just attend a few grad classes in engineering.and see what I mean.
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说得好，美国大学教了大量非美国公民，他们回国后就成了我们的竞争者。别不相信我，去一些工程学的毕业班，你就明白了。
Casan
Wow, Americans must have some serious phobia (or insecurity) against the technological progress of others or what?. CNN has changed the headline of this same story so many times, obviously an indication that the story is drawing in eye balls.
59 minutes ago | Like (1) | Report abuse
哇，美国一定在科技或其他方面感到恐惧和不安了。CNN已经对这个同样的故事换了不少标题了。很显然，这种故事的暗示是能够吸引眼球的。
rickshawboi
Thanks to US's years old H1B program for training, design methods, design tools and USB thumb drives, for H1B Chinese and Indian engineers to scavenge, upload to thumbdrives at work and at their US apartments, condos at high $ US salary expense, email home or SALE US tech data. Yeah, thanks to H1B, China has a stealth bomber
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感谢美国多年来的老掉牙的临时工作签证训练项目，设计技术，设计工具和USB拇指驱动，让中国、印度工程师来淘食，在美国公寓和工作中大肆下载，拿着美国的高薪，把美国科技资料邮回国或出售，感谢临时工作签证，中国有了隐形轰炸机。
johnbabiar
And without Indian and Chinese H1Bs, the dumb US engineers would've had accomplished nothing at the first place. That is why we give out H1B, moron. The first ever Boeing plane was designed by a Chinese engineer, if you read a little bit of Boeing history.
8 minutes ago | Like | Report abuse
没有印度和中国的临时工作签证，愚蠢的美国工程师从不会完成第一阶段的任何事。这也是为神马我们给他们临时工作签证的原因。蠢才！第一架波音飞机就是一位中国工程师设计的，如果你读过一点波音历史的话。
xineast
Obviously, Chinese have grown up enough to understand that you cannot defend yourselves with Kung Fu.
1 hour ago | Like (7) | Report abuse
很显然，中国已经足够成熟了，他知道自己不能光靠“功夫”来保卫自己。
AlGore2012
This is good news... more competition drives better designs and fuels research and development. This will have a positive ripple effect in the US economy for years to come.
1 hour ago | Like (1) | Report abuse
这是一条好新闻，更多的竞争将带来更好的设计、燃料研究和发展。这将对美国新一年的经济产生积极影响。
Godebole2000
I do not understand the rational behind this article! If China makes new weapons it is a matter of major concern. However, if the US makes weapons it is alright as no one says anything. But if China makes new weapons then the US and all the NATO countries start getting worried. This is non-sense. Look who is making use of weapons and are engaged in wars for the last three decades? Not China, but the US and its allies. So if China says its new weapons is not a threat to any country they seriously mean it. But if US says its new weapons are not a threat I will certainly not believe it because they will use it in the next war they wage on countries not capable of defending itself. So look who is talking. US should practice what you preach and should not try to focus on countries who have not directly engaged in war for more more than four decades.
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我实在不理解这篇文章的逻辑。中国制造了新武器，就需要表示重大关切。但如果是美国制造了武器，就屁事都没有，没人会说什么。但如果是中国制造了新武器，美国和所有北约国家都开始担心。这都是废话。看看过去30年是谁在制造武器并用于战争。不是中国，而是美国及其盟国。但如果美国说他的新武器不是威胁，我当然不信。因为他们转身就会在下一场战争中对那些无力防御的国家使用。美国应该践行自己的说教，别老盯着那些40多年来都没有直接参与战争的国家。
recepivedik China and Russia are rising up, USA is wasting American Taxes in Muslim War for israel
3 hours ago | Like (8) | Report abuse
中俄在崛起，美国却在浪费纳税人的钱，为了（保护）以色列陷入MSL战争。
beijinger1
new weapon not meant to pose a threat...for now.
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新武器不会构成威胁……只是现在。
effit
i'd bet money the US already has detection capabilities for stealth technology; remember stealth is 70's technology, so China is still far behind...
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我敢打赌美国早已侦悉（中国的）隐形科技能力，要知道隐形是（美国）70年代的技术，所以，中国差得还远。
Muslimslol0
Yes showing off a fighter plane isnt a threat.
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是的，那架战机不是威胁，只是炫耀。
markjsmith
If I make a tennis shoe I can expect no one will see that as a threat.If I make a anti-aircraft carrier missile and stealth fighters and misrepresent military spending by at least a half and create a great number of submarines outside that are required for a defense posture ...
如果我只是制造了一只网球鞋，我想没人会说那是个威胁。如果我制造出反航母导弹、隐形战斗机，瞒报至少一半军费，制造大量潜艇还说那只是为了防御……【不，现在中国就算是造卫生纸你们也说这威胁到了美国的就业岗位……】
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LeeMinChul
Americans can only think in terms of war. China kicking Google out of their market probably did more damage to America than this plane ever will.
1 hour ago | Like (1) | Report abuse
美国人只会从战争角度考虑问题。中国把google踢出市场可能对美国的伤害比这架战机更严重。
effit
although you make a good point, you fail to realize that the US has treaties (regardless of whether one agrees with them or not) to defend Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. therefore, being the "defender" rather than "defendee" they do need to look at things "in terms of war."
39 minutes ago | Like | Report abuse
你算是说到点子上了，但你忘了美国和韩国、日本、台湾缔约提供防务。因此，作为一个保护者而非被保护者，他们必须从战争角度考虑问题。
yukiliuhao
unfortuantely ,the J-20 just took off sucessfully 1mins ago~ the world is shaking right now
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很不幸，J20一分钟前成功起飞了。世界震精鸟。
Mechatronics
This thing isn't even capable of flying.
2 hours ago | Like (1) | Report abuse
这玩意儿压根飞不起来。
warsetone
just went up in the air a couple hours ago..
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2小时前就翱翔长空了。
JohnLeB888
How to get the F-22 continuing funding.. I would never discount the PRC military capability.. that's the biggest mistake anyone could make....
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咋能弄到F22的长期债券？我再也不会低估中国军队的实力了，这是我们所犯的最大的错误……
Oblomov
One thing learned in Vietnam: never underestimate your enemy. Not that China is our enemy. Hopefully our countries can remain friendly and open toward one another. But, you know, don't discount them as some third world pit of hell.
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我从越战那里学到的一点是：永远不要低估你的敌人。不是说中国是我们的敌人。希望我们的国家对他们保持友好、敞开怀抱。但是，你知道，千万别把他们和那些第三世界地狱里的洼地国家混为一谈。
WhartonPhily
It's quite interesting that military/US-China/3rd-world-war articles seem to attract the most attention on CNN, with close to 400 comments already. Perhaps we should have another big war cuz I can feel that a lot of readers are getting quite anxious and restless...
有意思的是，那些关于美中发起第三次世界大战的文章在CNN最为引人关注。现在已经有400条评论了。可能我们应该开启另一场大战，因为我觉得这儿的很多读者相当焦虑。
Just imagine an army of CNN readers typing their away their comments with pitchforks and machine guns in their hands. When we see an article that irritates us (anything to do with China, lead paint, communism, more China, communist China's stealth planes, etc.), we'd all post our ferocious comments and then start shooting away like crazy until the old lady next door starts acting jittery, calls the cops, and the national guard arrives on our door step. How lovely.
设想一下，一支CNN读者组成的军队手持干草叉和枪支，以评论开道一马当先……只要看到那些让我们不爽的文章（任何有关中国的、领先涂层、共产主义、更多中国、共产中国的隐形战机，等等），我们就集体发飙喷出凶猛的评论，然后像疯了一样开火，直到隔壁的老女人抓狂，报警，然后，国民警卫队来敲门，真欢乐啊。。。。。
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buzzcook
@windbourne - I hear your concern though I'd still rate China along with India. Indian got together with Russia and had discussions with China about building one together but they went alone. People in aviation circles were talking about India and China working on a 5th gen as early as 2007/8. Patriot2011 is right the US is still far ahead and when I look behind at the moment it is still Russia in the air and space. less
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楼上的@windbourne-我听到你的担心了。但我还是认为中国和印度的发展速度差不多。印度曾和俄罗斯、中国讨论共同搞第五代战机，但最终是中国自力更生了。航空圈的人曾认为印度和中国早在2007-2008年就开始搞第五代战机了。美国搞爱国者2011是对的。美国至今遥遥领先，而俄罗斯在空、天领域仍然大幅落后【靠，前言不搭后语，这都是神马思维逻辑嘛￥#··！2·#··@——柴不胡注】
buzzcook
@ShovelingSnw - sorry i meant Russia jointly with India and Russia jointly with China though the Russia/India went ahead while China went alone. Also I meant China and India developing 5th gens independantly
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楼上的@ShovelingSnw，抱歉，我的意思是，俄罗斯联手印度、俄罗斯联手中国，但在中国自力更生时，俄印领先了。我指的还有印度、中国都在独立研发第五代战机。。。。。【唉！这悲催的哥们还是一脑子糨糊——柴不胡注】
ShovelingSnw
China and India aren't going to jointly develop anything anymore than China and the US would.
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中国和印度不会联手发展任何超出中美能搞的东东。。。。
Tito614
Iraq and Afghanistan have shown that no country really needs to exactly match the US in technological sophistication and military technology. All you need is sufficient technology to hit back and hard. PERIOD. Why should anyone spend so much on tanks and planes and aircraft carriers? The ONLY saving grace for the US is that countries like Russia and China haven't thought to supply the Afghans and Iraqis with 3 things - surface-to-air missiles, anti-tank missiles and anti-personnel/ anti-tank mines. Armed with these and their Kalashnikovs, the insurgents in those two countries would stop the US armed with all their forces "superior technology" DEAD in their tracks.
伊拉克和阿富汗战争表明，没有哪个国家真的需要和美国在军事科技领域开展竞赛？你所需要的只是以足够的科技强硬回击？
为啥我们在坦克、飞机和航母上大把烧钱呢？因为美国在阿富汗和伊拉克仅存的那点风度是拜中俄所赐，他们没有向那两个国家提供地空导弹、反坦克导弹、杀伤性反坦克地雷。有了这些武器，两国的叛乱分子就足以阻止美军，让他们和那些领先科技武器就死定了。
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esreddy3
Latest russian mig would be a good example of russian air superiority.
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最新款俄制米格原来不就是俄罗斯空军领先的样板嘛。
nyvrem
HAVE people not woken up yet to the fact that this world is so over populated.People are consuming more food and resources than the earth can manage.Look at your public transport, traffic jams,over crowding shopping centers and hospitals, There has to be major wars to cut down the population other wise 16 people will be sharing a 2 bedroom flat or house. Massive over crowding trains and buses and ferries, I have once went to catch a train early in the morning and people were that jammed packed that the doors could not even open properly,All this talk about peace between countries is only producing more lives to be born. The ratio between death and life is 4 to 1 :::: 4 are born while 1 dies every second around the world. You may think im being a bit weird here but follow each day as it goes along and tell me how frustrated you feel each day with so many people every where. less
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人们还没睡醒，没认识到这个世界人口过度。人们消费了太多的食物和资源，地球已经无法满足需求。看看你们的公共交通、交通拥挤、人头攒动的购物中心和医院，的确需要一场大战来削减写人口，否则只能16个人住在2居室。人满为患的火车、公共汽车和轮渡，我有一次大清早赶火车，人挤得车门都关不上。所有这些关于和平共处的高论只有一个结果：更多生育。现在，出生、死亡比率是4：1，全世界每秒钟生4个才死1个。
你也许认为我在这儿的话有点离经叛道，但就这样一天天这么过下去，告诉我，到处都是人山人海的，你得多沮丧。
esreddy3
"..... tell me how frustrated you feel each day with so many people every were"... that would include you. Why hope and pray for a war that might or might not happen and sacrifice others lives. You are one extra person in the same population that frustrates you, easier solution, take yourself's out. Problem solved.
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“告诉我，到处都是人山人海的，你得多沮丧……”那些人里也包括你。为什么希望、祈祷那些有的没的战争，牺牲其他人的性命。你自己也是那个让你沮丧的多余人口，很简单，把你自己剔出去。不就结了。
JuicyJaymes
Don't be fooled people this plane is just a shell. China never misses a chance at propaganda. If they had any confidence we would see images of this thing in the air, and it wouldn't be taken by someones flip phone.
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别傻了。那飞机只是个壳。中国从不放弃吹牛的机会。如果他们真的有信心，我们早就看到这玩意儿在飞了，而不只是在某些人的失去理性判断的电话里。
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【译文-中文】【黑丝专题】【黑丝收费—CNN评论】
【原文-美国】China: New weapons not meant to pose threat
【原文地址】：http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORL ... us.gates/index.html
【发布日期】：2011-01-11
【翻译截止日期】：2011-01-12 13:04:12
【翻译评论数/总评论】： /
【翻译作者】：heisme1989
【联名作者】：柴不胡
译文导读：为庆祝此次丝带收费，翻译群确定推出一个专题，翻译不同国家及地区网民对收费的评论，预计将有日本，韩国，美国，德国，澳大利亚，巴基斯坦，印度，台湾，香港等。同时，这将是一个互动的过程，读者的反馈及评价都会影响到接下来的选材和题目，欢迎诸位读者在评论中写下自己想要了解的地方或者是论坛地址，以供译者参考。（略）
本文由柴不胡同学翻译并委托我进行排版，核对，发布。在此感谢柴不胡同学的辛勤劳动~
今日CNN发文——《中国：新武器并不意味着威胁》
文章报道了黑丝带收费和梁防长讲话：发展新式武器，不对任何国家构成威胁。
该文热度排名第五。仅次于亚利桑那枪击案、澳洲洪灾、facebook关闭传闻和暴雪迫近东海岸。
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Willie12345
Moving jobs overseas, Chinese spying, failure to support American based companies, etc. All of these actions have resulted in our decline. Now is the time to show some resolve and stop this decaying of our country.
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向海外转移工作机会，中国间谍，不支持美国本土公司等等，这一切导致了我们的经济下滑。现在是时候下决心阻止我们国家的衰退了。
nyma11
I dont prentend to be an expert in aviation, although i am a licensed Civil pilot. I was under the impression that a stealth aircraft could have no angles, In other words it must be rounded on ALL sections to scatter the radar pings.
This aircraft in no way looks stealthly. it has right angles in some sections. unless this is made with some sort of radar absorbing material. it isnt stealth.
Anyone agree?
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我无意冒充航空专家，尽管我是一名持有执照的民航飞行员。我感觉隐形飞机必须没有棱角，换句话说，所有的零部件必须是圆的，以分散消解雷达反射。这架战机咋看都不像隐形的。它有好多带尖角的部件。除非它是由某种可吸收雷达反射的材料。它不是隐形的。
johnbabiar
You impression is amazing!
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你的感觉真神奇！
CCS7
Gates should not be concerned about the progress of anti-ship cruise and ballistic missile or stealth fighter developments by China. He should be more concerned about the US economy which is on life support. With official unemployment close to 10% (unofficial estimates up to 16% if include those who gave up looking for a job). More people are lining the streets for food stamps while 1 in 7 American live below official poverty level according to 2009 census.
He should be concerned that Obama has lost the House to the Republicans. So QE3 would not be any easier. So instead of keeping up appearances, he should be worried about money not being wired out of Washington to prop up the vanity of the military empire that he has oversight.
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盖茨不应该担心中国的反舰巡航导弹和弹道导弹或者隐形飞机，他应担心的是维系众生的美国经济。官方公布的失业率接近10%（非官方估测，如果算上那些放弃寻找工作的人，这一数字接近16%）。更多的人在街头游荡等待食物。据2009年的统计，每7个美国人里就有一个在官方公布的贫困线下挣扎。
他应当担心奥巴马已经把国会输给了共和党。所以，QE3不会那么容易，所以，别再只顾表面风光了，他应当担心华盛顿不再花钱资助他那自负、空虚的军事帝国了。
rickshawboi
Financiers of US high tech corps pursue quick profits
with H1B, which (1) lowers US high tech salaries, (2)
puts US citizens under pressure at work (3) allows
H1B's to send US salaries back home + hight tech
info from work in nightly emails (4) drives US citizens from high tech (5) puts US soldiers at risk to face US
grown technology aginst them in the future...
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美国科技公司的金融家们依靠临时工作签证追求快速获利。这些人（1）降低美国高科技企业的薪资（2）让美国公民工作压力陡增；（3）允许技术移民向家中寄美国薪水，每天晚上都通过邮件把工作中获取的高科技信息发回国（4）把美国公民从高科技行业驱离（5）让美国士兵在未来处于面对敌国用美国科技对付他们的风险。
Willie12345
Well said. Plus Us Universities educate large numbers of non-citizens, who go back home and compete with us. Don't believe me ?? Just attend a few grad classes in engineering.and see what I mean.
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说得好，美国大学教了大量非美国公民，他们回国后就成了我们的竞争者。别不相信我，去一些工程学的毕业班，你就明白了。
Casan
Wow, Americans must have some serious phobia (or insecurity) against the technological progress of others or what?. CNN has changed the headline of this same story so many times, obviously an indication that the story is drawing in eye balls.
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哇，美国一定在科技或其他方面感到恐惧和不安了。CNN已经对这个同样的故事换了不少标题了。很显然，这种故事的暗示是能够吸引眼球的。
rickshawboi
Thanks to US's years old H1B program for training, design methods, design tools and USB thumb drives, for H1B Chinese and Indian engineers to scavenge, upload to thumbdrives at work and at their US apartments, condos at high $ US salary expense, email home or SALE US tech data. Yeah, thanks to H1B, China has a stealth bomber
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感谢美国多年来的老掉牙的临时工作签证训练项目，设计技术，设计工具和USB拇指驱动，让中国、印度工程师来淘食，在美国公寓和工作中大肆下载，拿着美国的高薪，把美国科技资料邮回国或出售，感谢临时工作签证，中国有了隐形轰炸机。
johnbabiar
And without Indian and Chinese H1Bs, the dumb US engineers would've had accomplished nothing at the first place. That is why we give out H1B, moron. The first ever Boeing plane was designed by a Chinese engineer, if you read a little bit of Boeing history.
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没有印度和中国的临时工作签证，愚蠢的美国工程师从不会完成第一阶段的任何事。这也是为神马我们给他们临时工作签证的原因。蠢才！第一架波音飞机就是一位中国工程师设计的，如果你读过一点波音历史的话。
xineast
Obviously, Chinese have grown up enough to understand that you cannot defend yourselves with Kung Fu.
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很显然，中国已经足够成熟了，他知道自己不能光靠“功夫”来保卫自己。
AlGore2012
This is good news... more competition drives better designs and fuels research and development. This will have a positive ripple effect in the US economy for years to come.
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这是一条好新闻，更多的竞争将带来更好的设计、燃料研究和发展。这将对美国新一年的经济产生积极影响。
Godebole2000
I do not understand the rational behind this article! If China makes new weapons it is a matter of major concern. However, if the US makes weapons it is alright as no one says anything. But if China makes new weapons then the US and all the NATO countries start getting worried. This is non-sense. Look who is making use of weapons and are engaged in wars for the last three decades? Not China, but the US and its allies. So if China says its new weapons is not a threat to any country they seriously mean it. But if US says its new weapons are not a threat I will certainly not believe it because they will use it in the next war they wage on countries not capable of defending itself. So look who is talking. US should practice what you preach and should not try to focus on countries who have not directly engaged in war for more more than four decades.
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我实在不理解这篇文章的逻辑。中国制造了新武器，就需要表示重大关切。但如果是美国制造了武器，就屁事都没有，没人会说什么。但如果是中国制造了新武器，美国和所有北约国家都开始担心。这都是废话。看看过去30年是谁在制造武器并用于战争。不是中国，而是美国及其盟国。但如果美国说他的新武器不是威胁，我当然不信。因为他们转身就会在下一场战争中对那些无力防御的国家使用。美国应该践行自己的说教，别老盯着那些40多年来都没有直接参与战争的国家。
recepivedik China and Russia are rising up, USA is wasting American Taxes in Muslim War for israel
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中俄在崛起，美国却在浪费纳税人的钱，为了（保护）以色列陷入MSL战争。
beijinger1
new weapon not meant to pose a threat...for now.
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新武器不会构成威胁……只是现在。
effit
i'd bet money the US already has detection capabilities for stealth technology; remember stealth is 70's technology, so China is still far behind...
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我敢打赌美国早已侦悉（中国的）隐形科技能力，要知道隐形是（美国）70年代的技术，所以，中国差得还远。
Muslimslol0
Yes showing off a fighter plane isnt a threat.
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是的，那架战机不是威胁，只是炫耀。
markjsmith
If I make a tennis shoe I can expect no one will see that as a threat.If I make a anti-aircraft carrier missile and stealth fighters and misrepresent military spending by at least a half and create a great number of submarines outside that are required for a defense posture ...
如果我只是制造了一只网球鞋，我想没人会说那是个威胁。如果我制造出反航母导弹、隐形战斗机，瞒报至少一半军费，制造大量潜艇还说那只是为了防御……【不，现在中国就算是造卫生纸你们也说这威胁到了美国的就业岗位……】
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LeeMinChul
Americans can only think in terms of war. China kicking Google out of their market probably did more damage to America than this plane ever will.
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美国人只会从战争角度考虑问题。中国把google踢出市场可能对美国的伤害比这架战机更严重。
effit
although you make a good point, you fail to realize that the US has treaties (regardless of whether one agrees with them or not) to defend Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. therefore, being the "defender" rather than "defendee" they do need to look at things "in terms of war."
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你算是说到点子上了，但你忘了美国和韩国、日本、台湾缔约提供防务。因此，作为一个保护者而非被保护者，他们必须从战争角度考虑问题。
yukiliuhao
unfortuantely ,the J-20 just took off sucessfully 1mins ago~ the world is shaking right now
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很不幸，J20一分钟前成功起飞了。世界震精鸟。
Mechatronics
This thing isn't even capable of flying.
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这玩意儿压根飞不起来。
warsetone
just went up in the air a couple hours ago..
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2小时前就翱翔长空了。
JohnLeB888
How to get the F-22 continuing funding.. I would never discount the PRC military capability.. that's the biggest mistake anyone could make....
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咋能弄到F22的长期债券？我再也不会低估中国军队的实力了，这是我们所犯的最大的错误……
Oblomov
One thing learned in Vietnam: never underestimate your enemy. Not that China is our enemy. Hopefully our countries can remain friendly and open toward one another. But, you know, don't discount them as some third world pit of hell.
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我从越战那里学到的一点是：永远不要低估你的敌人。不是说中国是我们的敌人。希望我们的国家对他们保持友好、敞开怀抱。但是，你知道，千万别把他们和那些第三世界地狱里的洼地国家混为一谈。
WhartonPhily
It's quite interesting that military/US-China/3rd-world-war articles seem to attract the most attention on CNN, with close to 400 comments already. Perhaps we should have another big war cuz I can feel that a lot of readers are getting quite anxious and restless...
有意思的是，那些关于美中发起第三次世界大战的文章在CNN最为引人关注。现在已经有400条评论了。可能我们应该开启另一场大战，因为我觉得这儿的很多读者相当焦虑。
Just imagine an army of CNN readers typing their away their comments with pitchforks and machine guns in their hands. When we see an article that irritates us (anything to do with China, lead paint, communism, more China, communist China's stealth planes, etc.), we'd all post our ferocious comments and then start shooting away like crazy until the old lady next door starts acting jittery, calls the cops, and the national guard arrives on our door step. How lovely.
设想一下，一支CNN读者组成的军队手持干草叉和枪支，以评论开道一马当先……只要看到那些让我们不爽的文章（任何有关中国的、领先涂层、共产主义、更多中国、共产中国的隐形战机，等等），我们就集体发飙喷出凶猛的评论，然后像疯了一样开火，直到隔壁的老女人抓狂，报警，然后，国民警卫队来敲门，真欢乐啊。。。。。
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buzzcook
@windbourne - I hear your concern though I'd still rate China along with India. Indian got together with Russia and had discussions with China about building one together but they went alone. People in aviation circles were talking about India and China working on a 5th gen as early as 2007/8. Patriot2011 is right the US is still far ahead and when I look behind at the moment it is still Russia in the air and space. less
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楼上的@windbourne-我听到你的担心了。但我还是认为中国和印度的发展速度差不多。印度曾和俄罗斯、中国讨论共同搞第五代战机，但最终是中国自力更生了。航空圈的人曾认为印度和中国早在2007-2008年就开始搞第五代战机了。美国搞爱国者2011是对的。美国至今遥遥领先，而俄罗斯在空、天领域仍然大幅落后【靠，前言不搭后语，这都是神马思维逻辑嘛￥#··！2·#··@——柴不胡注】
buzzcook
@ShovelingSnw - sorry i meant Russia jointly with India and Russia jointly with China though the Russia/India went ahead while China went alone. Also I meant China and India developing 5th gens independantly
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楼上的@ShovelingSnw，抱歉，我的意思是，俄罗斯联手印度、俄罗斯联手中国，但在中国自力更生时，俄印领先了。我指的还有印度、中国都在独立研发第五代战机。。。。。【唉！这悲催的哥们还是一脑子糨糊——柴不胡注】
ShovelingSnw
China and India aren't going to jointly develop anything anymore than China and the US would.
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中国和印度不会联手发展任何超出中美能搞的东东。。。。
Tito614
Iraq and Afghanistan have shown that no country really needs to exactly match the US in technological sophistication and military technology. All you need is sufficient technology to hit back and hard. PERIOD. Why should anyone spend so much on tanks and planes and aircraft carriers? The ONLY saving grace for the US is that countries like Russia and China haven't thought to supply the Afghans and Iraqis with 3 things - surface-to-air missiles, anti-tank missiles and anti-personnel/ anti-tank mines. Armed with these and their Kalashnikovs, the insurgents in those two countries would stop the US armed with all their forces "superior technology" DEAD in their tracks.
伊拉克和阿富汗战争表明，没有哪个国家真的需要和美国在军事科技领域开展竞赛？你所需要的只是以足够的科技强硬回击？
为啥我们在坦克、飞机和航母上大把烧钱呢？因为美国在阿富汗和伊拉克仅存的那点风度是拜中俄所赐，他们没有向那两个国家提供地空导弹、反坦克导弹、杀伤性反坦克地雷。有了这些武器，两国的叛乱分子就足以阻止美军，让他们和那些领先科技武器就死定了。
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esreddy3
Latest russian mig would be a good example of russian air superiority.
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最新款俄制米格原来不就是俄罗斯空军领先的样板嘛。
nyvrem
HAVE people not woken up yet to the fact that this world is so over populated.People are consuming more food and resources than the earth can manage.Look at your public transport, traffic jams,over crowding shopping centers and hospitals, There has to be major wars to cut down the population other wise 16 people will be sharing a 2 bedroom flat or house. Massive over crowding trains and buses and ferries, I have once went to catch a train early in the morning and people were that jammed packed that the doors could not even open properly,All this talk about peace between countries is only producing more lives to be born. The ratio between death and life is 4 to 1 :::: 4 are born while 1 dies every second around the world. You may think im being a bit weird here but follow each day as it goes along and tell me how frustrated you feel each day with so many people every where. less
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人们还没睡醒，没认识到这个世界人口过度。人们消费了太多的食物和资源，地球已经无法满足需求。看看你们的公共交通、交通拥挤、人头攒动的购物中心和医院，的确需要一场大战来削减写人口，否则只能16个人住在2居室。人满为患的火车、公共汽车和轮渡，我有一次大清早赶火车，人挤得车门都关不上。所有这些关于和平共处的高论只有一个结果：更多生育。现在，出生、死亡比率是4：1，全世界每秒钟生4个才死1个。
你也许认为我在这儿的话有点离经叛道，但就这样一天天这么过下去，告诉我，到处都是人山人海的，你得多沮丧。
esreddy3
"..... tell me how frustrated you feel each day with so many people every were"... that would include you. Why hope and pray for a war that might or might not happen and sacrifice others lives. You are one extra person in the same population that frustrates you, easier solution, take yourself's out. Problem solved.
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“告诉我，到处都是人山人海的，你得多沮丧……”那些人里也包括你。为什么希望、祈祷那些有的没的战争，牺牲其他人的性命。你自己也是那个让你沮丧的多余人口，很简单，把你自己剔出去。不就结了。
JuicyJaymes
Don't be fooled people this plane is just a shell. China never misses a chance at propaganda. If they had any confidence we would see images of this thing in the air, and it wouldn't be taken by someones flip phone.
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别傻了。那飞机只是个壳。中国从不放弃吹牛的机会。如果他们真的有信心，我们早就看到这玩意儿在飞了，而不只是在某些人的失去理性判断的电话里。
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【译文-中文】【黑丝专题】【黑丝收费—CNN评论】
【原文-美国】China: New weapons not meant to pose threat
【原文地址】：http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORL ... us.gates/index.html
【发布日期】：2011-01-11
【翻译截止日期】：2011-01-12 13:04:12
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【翻译作者】：heisme1989
【联名作者】：柴不胡
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Willie12345
Moving jobs overseas, Chinese spying, failure to support American based companies, etc. All of these actions have resulted in our decline. Now is the time to show some resolve and stop this decaying of our country.
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向海外转移工作机会，中国间谍，不支持美国本土公司等等，这一切导致了我们的经济下滑。现在是时候下决心阻止我们国家的衰退了。
nyma11
I dont prentend to be an expert in aviation, although i am a licensed Civil pilot. I was under the impression that a stealth aircraft could have no angles, In other words it must be rounded on ALL sections to scatter the radar pings.
This aircraft in no way looks stealthly. it has right angles in some sections. unless this is made with some sort of radar absorbing material. it isnt stealth.
Anyone agree?
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我无意冒充航空专家，尽管我是一名持有执照的民航飞行员。我感觉隐形飞机必须没有棱角，换句话说，所有的零部件必须是圆的，以分散消解雷达反射。这架战机咋看都不像隐形的。它有好多带尖角的部件。除非它是由某种可吸收雷达反射的材料。它不是隐形的。
johnbabiar
You impression is amazing!
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你的感觉真神奇！
CCS7
Gates should not be concerned about the progress of anti-ship cruise and ballistic missile or stealth fighter developments by China. He should be more concerned about the US economy which is on life support. With official unemployment close to 10% (unofficial estimates up to 16% if include those who gave up looking for a job). More people are lining the streets for food stamps while 1 in 7 American live below official poverty level according to 2009 census.
He should be concerned that Obama has lost the House to the Republicans. So QE3 would not be any easier. So instead of keeping up appearances, he should be worried about money not being wired out of Washington to prop up the vanity of the military empire that he has oversight.
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盖茨不应该担心中国的反舰巡航导弹和弹道导弹或者隐形飞机，他应担心的是维系众生的美国经济。官方公布的失业率接近10%（非官方估测，如果算上那些放弃寻找工作的人，这一数字接近16%）。更多的人在街头游荡等待食物。据2009年的统计，每7个美国人里就有一个在官方公布的贫困线下挣扎。
他应当担心奥巴马已经把国会输给了共和党。所以，QE3不会那么容易，所以，别再只顾表面风光了，他应当担心华盛顿不再花钱资助他那自负、空虚的军事帝国了。
rickshawboi
Financiers of US high tech corps pursue quick profits
with H1B, which (1) lowers US high tech salaries, (2)
puts US citizens under pressure at work (3) allows
H1B's to send US salaries back home + hight tech
info from work in nightly emails (4) drives US citizens from high tech (5) puts US soldiers at risk to face US
grown technology aginst them in the future...
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美国科技公司的金融家们依靠临时工作签证追求快速获利。这些人（1）降低美国高科技企业的薪资（2）让美国公民工作压力陡增；（3）允许技术移民向家中寄美国薪水，每天晚上都通过邮件把工作中获取的高科技信息发回国（4）把美国公民从高科技行业驱离（5）让美国士兵在未来处于面对敌国用美国科技对付他们的风险。
Willie12345
Well said. Plus Us Universities educate large numbers of non-citizens, who go back home and compete with us. Don't believe me ?? Just attend a few grad classes in engineering.and see what I mean.
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说得好，美国大学教了大量非美国公民，他们回国后就成了我们的竞争者。别不相信我，去一些工程学的毕业班，你就明白了。
Casan
Wow, Americans must have some serious phobia (or insecurity) against the technological progress of others or what?. CNN has changed the headline of this same story so many times, obviously an indication that the story is drawing in eye balls.
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哇，美国一定在科技或其他方面感到恐惧和不安了。CNN已经对这个同样的故事换了不少标题了。很显然，这种故事的暗示是能够吸引眼球的。
rickshawboi
Thanks to US's years old H1B program for training, design methods, design tools and USB thumb drives, for H1B Chinese and Indian engineers to scavenge, upload to thumbdrives at work and at their US apartments, condos at high $ US salary expense, email home or SALE US tech data. Yeah, thanks to H1B, China has a stealth bomber
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感谢美国多年来的老掉牙的临时工作签证训练项目，设计技术，设计工具和USB拇指驱动，让中国、印度工程师来淘食，在美国公寓和工作中大肆下载，拿着美国的高薪，把美国科技资料邮回国或出售，感谢临时工作签证，中国有了隐形轰炸机。
johnbabiar
And without Indian and Chinese H1Bs, the dumb US engineers would've had accomplished nothing at the first place. That is why we give out H1B, moron. The first ever Boeing plane was designed by a Chinese engineer, if you read a little bit of Boeing history.
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没有印度和中国的临时工作签证，愚蠢的美国工程师从不会完成第一阶段的任何事。这也是为神马我们给他们临时工作签证的原因。蠢才！第一架波音飞机就是一位中国工程师设计的，如果你读过一点波音历史的话。
xineast
Obviously, Chinese have grown up enough to understand that you cannot defend yourselves with Kung Fu.
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很显然，中国已经足够成熟了，他知道自己不能光靠“功夫”来保卫自己。
AlGore2012
This is good news... more competition drives better designs and fuels research and development. This will have a positive ripple effect in the US economy for years to come.
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这是一条好新闻，更多的竞争将带来更好的设计、燃料研究和发展。这将对美国新一年的经济产生积极影响。
Godebole2000
I do not understand the rational behind this article! If China makes new weapons it is a matter of major concern. However, if the US makes weapons it is alright as no one says anything. But if China makes new weapons then the US and all the NATO countries start getting worried. This is non-sense. Look who is making use of weapons and are engaged in wars for the last three decades? Not China, but the US and its allies. So if China says its new weapons is not a threat to any country they seriously mean it. But if US says its new weapons are not a threat I will certainly not believe it because they will use it in the next war they wage on countries not capable of defending itself. So look who is talking. US should practice what you preach and should not try to focus on countries who have not directly engaged in war for more more than four decades.
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我实在不理解这篇文章的逻辑。中国制造了新武器，就需要表示重大关切。但如果是美国制造了武器，就屁事都没有，没人会说什么。但如果是中国制造了新武器，美国和所有北约国家都开始担心。这都是废话。看看过去30年是谁在制造武器并用于战争。不是中国，而是美国及其盟国。但如果美国说他的新武器不是威胁，我当然不信。因为他们转身就会在下一场战争中对那些无力防御的国家使用。美国应该践行自己的说教，别老盯着那些40多年来都没有直接参与战争的国家。
recepivedik China and Russia are rising up, USA is wasting American Taxes in Muslim War for israel
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中俄在崛起，美国却在浪费纳税人的钱，为了（保护）以色列陷入MSL战争。
beijinger1
new weapon not meant to pose a threat...for now.
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新武器不会构成威胁……只是现在。
effit
i'd bet money the US already has detection capabilities for stealth technology; remember stealth is 70's technology, so China is still far behind...
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我敢打赌美国早已侦悉（中国的）隐形科技能力，要知道隐形是（美国）70年代的技术，所以，中国差得还远。
Muslimslol0
Yes showing off a fighter plane isnt a threat.
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是的，那架战机不是威胁，只是炫耀。
markjsmith
If I make a tennis shoe I can expect no one will see that as a threat.If I make a anti-aircraft carrier missile and stealth fighters and misrepresent military spending by at least a half and create a great number of submarines outside that are required for a defense posture ...
如果我只是制造了一只网球鞋，我想没人会说那是个威胁。如果我制造出反航母导弹、隐形战斗机，瞒报至少一半军费，制造大量潜艇还说那只是为了防御……【不，现在中国就算是造卫生纸你们也说这威胁到了美国的就业岗位……】
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LeeMinChul
Americans can only think in terms of war. China kicking Google out of their market probably did more damage to America than this plane ever will.
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美国人只会从战争角度考虑问题。中国把google踢出市场可能对美国的伤害比这架战机更严重。
effit
although you make a good point, you fail to realize that the US has treaties (regardless of whether one agrees with them or not) to defend Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. therefore, being the "defender" rather than "defendee" they do need to look at things "in terms of war."
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你算是说到点子上了，但你忘了美国和韩国、日本、台湾缔约提供防务。因此，作为一个保护者而非被保护者，他们必须从战争角度考虑问题。
yukiliuhao
unfortuantely ,the J-20 just took off sucessfully 1mins ago~ the world is shaking right now
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很不幸，J20一分钟前成功起飞了。世界震精鸟。
Mechatronics
This thing isn't even capable of flying.
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这玩意儿压根飞不起来。
warsetone
just went up in the air a couple hours ago..
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2小时前就翱翔长空了。
JohnLeB888
How to get the F-22 continuing funding.. I would never discount the PRC military capability.. that's the biggest mistake anyone could make....
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咋能弄到F22的长期债券？我再也不会低估中国军队的实力了，这是我们所犯的最大的错误……
Oblomov
One thing learned in Vietnam: never underestimate your enemy. Not that China is our enemy. Hopefully our countries can remain friendly and open toward one another. But, you know, don't discount them as some third world pit of hell.
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我从越战那里学到的一点是：永远不要低估你的敌人。不是说中国是我们的敌人。希望我们的国家对他们保持友好、敞开怀抱。但是，你知道，千万别把他们和那些第三世界地狱里的洼地国家混为一谈。
WhartonPhily
It's quite interesting that military/US-China/3rd-world-war articles seem to attract the most attention on CNN, with close to 400 comments already. Perhaps we should have another big war cuz I can feel that a lot of readers are getting quite anxious and restless...
有意思的是，那些关于美中发起第三次世界大战的文章在CNN最为引人关注。现在已经有400条评论了。可能我们应该开启另一场大战，因为我觉得这儿的很多读者相当焦虑。
Just imagine an army of CNN readers typing their away their comments with pitchforks and machine guns in their hands. When we see an article that irritates us (anything to do with China, lead paint, communism, more China, communist China's stealth planes, etc.), we'd all post our ferocious comments and then start shooting away like crazy until the old lady next door starts acting jittery, calls the cops, and the national guard arrives on our door step. How lovely.
设想一下，一支CNN读者组成的军队手持干草叉和枪支，以评论开道一马当先……只要看到那些让我们不爽的文章（任何有关中国的、领先涂层、共产主义、更多中国、共产中国的隐形战机，等等），我们就集体发飙喷出凶猛的评论，然后像疯了一样开火，直到隔壁的老女人抓狂，报警，然后，国民警卫队来敲门，真欢乐啊。。。。。
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buzzcook
@windbourne - I hear your concern though I'd still rate China along with India. Indian got together with Russia and had discussions with China about building one together but they went alone. People in aviation circles were talking about India and China working on a 5th gen as early as 2007/8. Patriot2011 is right the US is still far ahead and when I look behind at the moment it is still Russia in the air and space. less
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楼上的@windbourne-我听到你的担心了。但我还是认为中国和印度的发展速度差不多。印度曾和俄罗斯、中国讨论共同搞第五代战机，但最终是中国自力更生了。航空圈的人曾认为印度和中国早在2007-2008年就开始搞第五代战机了。美国搞爱国者2011是对的。美国至今遥遥领先，而俄罗斯在空、天领域仍然大幅落后【靠，前言不搭后语，这都是神马思维逻辑嘛￥#··！2·#··@——柴不胡注】
buzzcook
@ShovelingSnw - sorry i meant Russia jointly with India and Russia jointly with China though the Russia/India went ahead while China went alone. Also I meant China and India developing 5th gens independantly
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楼上的@ShovelingSnw，抱歉，我的意思是，俄罗斯联手印度、俄罗斯联手中国，但在中国自力更生时，俄印领先了。我指的还有印度、中国都在独立研发第五代战机。。。。。【唉！这悲催的哥们还是一脑子糨糊——柴不胡注】
ShovelingSnw
China and India aren't going to jointly develop anything anymore than China and the US would.
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中国和印度不会联手发展任何超出中美能搞的东东。。。。
Tito614
Iraq and Afghanistan have shown that no country really needs to exactly match the US in technological sophistication and military technology. All you need is sufficient technology to hit back and hard. PERIOD. Why should anyone spend so much on tanks and planes and aircraft carriers? The ONLY saving grace for the US is that countries like Russia and China haven't thought to supply the Afghans and Iraqis with 3 things - surface-to-air missiles, anti-tank missiles and anti-personnel/ anti-tank mines. Armed with these and their Kalashnikovs, the insurgents in those two countries would stop the US armed with all their forces "superior technology" DEAD in their tracks.
伊拉克和阿富汗战争表明，没有哪个国家真的需要和美国在军事科技领域开展竞赛？你所需要的只是以足够的科技强硬回击？
为啥我们在坦克、飞机和航母上大把烧钱呢？因为美国在阿富汗和伊拉克仅存的那点风度是拜中俄所赐，他们没有向那两个国家提供地空导弹、反坦克导弹、杀伤性反坦克地雷。有了这些武器，两国的叛乱分子就足以阻止美军，让他们和那些领先科技武器就死定了。
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esreddy3
Latest russian mig would be a good example of russian air superiority.
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最新款俄制米格原来不就是俄罗斯空军领先的样板嘛。
nyvrem
HAVE people not woken up yet to the fact that this world is so over populated.People are consuming more food and resources than the earth can manage.Look at your public transport, traffic jams,over crowding shopping centers and hospitals, There has to be major wars to cut down the population other wise 16 people will be sharing a 2 bedroom flat or house. Massive over crowding trains and buses and ferries, I have once went to catch a train early in the morning and people were that jammed packed that the doors could not even open properly,All this talk about peace between countries is only producing more lives to be born. The ratio between death and life is 4 to 1 :::: 4 are born while 1 dies every second around the world. You may think im being a bit weird here but follow each day as it goes along and tell me how frustrated you feel each day with so many people every where. less
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人们还没睡醒，没认识到这个世界人口过度。人们消费了太多的食物和资源，地球已经无法满足需求。看看你们的公共交通、交通拥挤、人头攒动的购物中心和医院，的确需要一场大战来削减写人口，否则只能16个人住在2居室。人满为患的火车、公共汽车和轮渡，我有一次大清早赶火车，人挤得车门都关不上。所有这些关于和平共处的高论只有一个结果：更多生育。现在，出生、死亡比率是4：1，全世界每秒钟生4个才死1个。
你也许认为我在这儿的话有点离经叛道，但就这样一天天这么过下去，告诉我，到处都是人山人海的，你得多沮丧。
esreddy3
"..... tell me how frustrated you feel each day with so many people every were"... that would include you. Why hope and pray for a war that might or might not happen and sacrifice others lives. You are one extra person in the same population that frustrates you, easier solution, take yourself's out. Problem solved.
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“告诉我，到处都是人山人海的，你得多沮丧……”那些人里也包括你。为什么希望、祈祷那些有的没的战争，牺牲其他人的性命。你自己也是那个让你沮丧的多余人口，很简单，把你自己剔出去。不就结了。
JuicyJaymes
Don't be fooled people this plane is just a shell. China never misses a chance at propaganda. If they had any confidence we would see images of this thing in the air, and it wouldn't be taken by someones flip phone.
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别傻了。那飞机只是个壳。中国从不放弃吹牛的机会。如果他们真的有信心，我们早就看到这玩意儿在飞了，而不只是在某些人的失去理性判断的电话里。
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【译文-中文】【黑丝专题】【黑丝收费—CNN评论】
【原文-美国】China: New weapons not meant to pose threat
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【发布日期】：2011-01-11
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Willie12345
Moving jobs overseas, Chinese spying, failure to support American based companies, etc. All of these actions have resulted in our decline. Now is the time to show some resolve and stop this decaying of our country.
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向海外转移工作机会，中国间谍，不支持美国本土公司等等，这一切导致了我们的经济下滑。现在是时候下决心阻止我们国家的衰退了。
nyma11
I dont prentend to be an expert in aviation, although i am a licensed Civil pilot. I was under the impression that a stealth aircraft could have no angles, In other words it must be rounded on ALL sections to scatter the radar pings.
This aircraft in no way looks stealthly. it has right angles in some sections. unless this is made with some sort of radar absorbing material. it isnt stealth.
Anyone agree?
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我无意冒充航空专家，尽管我是一名持有执照的民航飞行员。我感觉隐形飞机必须没有棱角，换句话说，所有的零部件必须是圆的，以分散消解雷达反射。这架战机咋看都不像隐形的。它有好多带尖角的部件。除非它是由某种可吸收雷达反射的材料。它不是隐形的。
johnbabiar
You impression is amazing!
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你的感觉真神奇！
CCS7
Gates should not be concerned about the progress of anti-ship cruise and ballistic missile or stealth fighter developments by China. He should be more concerned about the US economy which is on life support. With official unemployment close to 10% (unofficial estimates up to 16% if include those who gave up looking for a job). More people are lining the streets for food stamps while 1 in 7 American live below official poverty level according to 2009 census.
He should be concerned that Obama has lost the House to the Republicans. So QE3 would not be any easier. So instead of keeping up appearances, he should be worried about money not being wired out of Washington to prop up the vanity of the military empire that he has oversight.
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盖茨不应该担心中国的反舰巡航导弹和弹道导弹或者隐形飞机，他应担心的是维系众生的美国经济。官方公布的失业率接近10%（非官方估测，如果算上那些放弃寻找工作的人，这一数字接近16%）。更多的人在街头游荡等待食物。据2009年的统计，每7个美国人里就有一个在官方公布的贫困线下挣扎。
他应当担心奥巴马已经把国会输给了共和党。所以，QE3不会那么容易，所以，别再只顾表面风光了，他应当担心华盛顿不再花钱资助他那自负、空虚的军事帝国了。
rickshawboi
Financiers of US high tech corps pursue quick profits
with H1B, which (1) lowers US high tech salaries, (2)
puts US citizens under pressure at work (3) allows
H1B's to send US salaries back home + hight tech
info from work in nightly emails (4) drives US citizens from high tech (5) puts US soldiers at risk to face US
grown technology aginst them in the future...
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美国科技公司的金融家们依靠临时工作签证追求快速获利。这些人（1）降低美国高科技企业的薪资（2）让美国公民工作压力陡增；（3）允许技术移民向家中寄美国薪水，每天晚上都通过邮件把工作中获取的高科技信息发回国（4）把美国公民从高科技行业驱离（5）让美国士兵在未来处于面对敌国用美国科技对付他们的风险。
Willie12345
Well said. Plus Us Universities educate large numbers of non-citizens, who go back home and compete with us. Don't believe me ?? Just attend a few grad classes in engineering.and see what I mean.
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说得好，美国大学教了大量非美国公民，他们回国后就成了我们的竞争者。别不相信我，去一些工程学的毕业班，你就明白了。
Casan
Wow, Americans must have some serious phobia (or insecurity) against the technological progress of others or what?. CNN has changed the headline of this same story so many times, obviously an indication that the story is drawing in eye balls.
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哇，美国一定在科技或其他方面感到恐惧和不安了。CNN已经对这个同样的故事换了不少标题了。很显然，这种故事的暗示是能够吸引眼球的。
rickshawboi
Thanks to US's years old H1B program for training, design methods, design tools and USB thumb drives, for H1B Chinese and Indian engineers to scavenge, upload to thumbdrives at work and at their US apartments, condos at high $ US salary expense, email home or SALE US tech data. Yeah, thanks to H1B, China has a stealth bomber
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感谢美国多年来的老掉牙的临时工作签证训练项目，设计技术，设计工具和USB拇指驱动，让中国、印度工程师来淘食，在美国公寓和工作中大肆下载，拿着美国的高薪，把美国科技资料邮回国或出售，感谢临时工作签证，中国有了隐形轰炸机。
johnbabiar
And without Indian and Chinese H1Bs, the dumb US engineers would've had accomplished nothing at the first place. That is why we give out H1B, moron. The first ever Boeing plane was designed by a Chinese engineer, if you read a little bit of Boeing history.
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没有印度和中国的临时工作签证，愚蠢的美国工程师从不会完成第一阶段的任何事。这也是为神马我们给他们临时工作签证的原因。蠢才！第一架波音飞机就是一位中国工程师设计的，如果你读过一点波音历史的话。
xineast
Obviously, Chinese have grown up enough to understand that you cannot defend yourselves with Kung Fu.
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很显然，中国已经足够成熟了，他知道自己不能光靠“功夫”来保卫自己。
AlGore2012
This is good news... more competition drives better designs and fuels research and development. This will have a positive ripple effect in the US economy for years to come.
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这是一条好新闻，更多的竞争将带来更好的设计、燃料研究和发展。这将对美国新一年的经济产生积极影响。
Godebole2000
I do not understand the rational behind this article! If China makes new weapons it is a matter of major concern. However, if the US makes weapons it is alright as no one says anything. But if China makes new weapons then the US and all the NATO countries start getting worried. This is non-sense. Look who is making use of weapons and are engaged in wars for the last three decades? Not China, but the US and its allies. So if China says its new weapons is not a threat to any country they seriously mean it. But if US says its new weapons are not a threat I will certainly not believe it because they will use it in the next war they wage on countries not capable of defending itself. So look who is talking. US should practice what you preach and should not try to focus on countries who have not directly engaged in war for more more than four decades.
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我实在不理解这篇文章的逻辑。中国制造了新武器，就需要表示重大关切。但如果是美国制造了武器，就屁事都没有，没人会说什么。但如果是中国制造了新武器，美国和所有北约国家都开始担心。这都是废话。看看过去30年是谁在制造武器并用于战争。不是中国，而是美国及其盟国。但如果美国说他的新武器不是威胁，我当然不信。因为他们转身就会在下一场战争中对那些无力防御的国家使用。美国应该践行自己的说教，别老盯着那些40多年来都没有直接参与战争的国家。
recepivedik China and Russia are rising up, USA is wasting American Taxes in Muslim War for israel
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中俄在崛起，美国却在浪费纳税人的钱，为了（保护）以色列陷入MSL战争。
beijinger1
new weapon not meant to pose a threat...for now.
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新武器不会构成威胁……只是现在。
effit
i'd bet money the US already has detection capabilities for stealth technology; remember stealth is 70's technology, so China is still far behind...
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我敢打赌美国早已侦悉（中国的）隐形科技能力，要知道隐形是（美国）70年代的技术，所以，中国差得还远。
Muslimslol0
Yes showing off a fighter plane isnt a threat.
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是的，那架战机不是威胁，只是炫耀。
markjsmith
If I make a tennis shoe I can expect no one will see that as a threat.If I make a anti-aircraft carrier missile and stealth fighters and misrepresent military spending by at least a half and create a great number of submarines outside that are required for a defense posture ...
如果我只是制造了一只网球鞋，我想没人会说那是个威胁。如果我制造出反航母导弹、隐形战斗机，瞒报至少一半军费，制造大量潜艇还说那只是为了防御……【不，现在中国就算是造卫生纸你们也说这威胁到了美国的就业岗位……】
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LeeMinChul
Americans can only think in terms of war. China kicking Google out of their market probably did more damage to America than this plane ever will.
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美国人只会从战争角度考虑问题。中国把google踢出市场可能对美国的伤害比这架战机更严重。
effit
although you make a good point, you fail to realize that the US has treaties (regardless of whether one agrees with them or not) to defend Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. therefore, being the "defender" rather than "defendee" they do need to look at things "in terms of war."
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你算是说到点子上了，但你忘了美国和韩国、日本、台湾缔约提供防务。因此，作为一个保护者而非被保护者，他们必须从战争角度考虑问题。
yukiliuhao
unfortuantely ,the J-20 just took off sucessfully 1mins ago~ the world is shaking right now
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很不幸，J20一分钟前成功起飞了。世界震精鸟。
Mechatronics
This thing isn't even capable of flying.
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这玩意儿压根飞不起来。
warsetone
just went up in the air a couple hours ago..
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2小时前就翱翔长空了。
JohnLeB888
How to get the F-22 continuing funding.. I would never discount the PRC military capability.. that's the biggest mistake anyone could make....
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咋能弄到F22的长期债券？我再也不会低估中国军队的实力了，这是我们所犯的最大的错误……
Oblomov
One thing learned in Vietnam: never underestimate your enemy. Not that China is our enemy. Hopefully our countries can remain friendly and open toward one another. But, you know, don't discount them as some third world pit of hell.
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我从越战那里学到的一点是：永远不要低估你的敌人。不是说中国是我们的敌人。希望我们的国家对他们保持友好、敞开怀抱。但是，你知道，千万别把他们和那些第三世界地狱里的洼地国家混为一谈。
WhartonPhily
It's quite interesting that military/US-China/3rd-world-war articles seem to attract the most attention on CNN, with close to 400 comments already. Perhaps we should have another big war cuz I can feel that a lot of readers are getting quite anxious and restless...
有意思的是，那些关于美中发起第三次世界大战的文章在CNN最为引人关注。现在已经有400条评论了。可能我们应该开启另一场大战，因为我觉得这儿的很多读者相当焦虑。
Just imagine an army of CNN readers typing their away their comments with pitchforks and machine guns in their hands. When we see an article that irritates us (anything to do with China, lead paint, communism, more China, communist China's stealth planes, etc.), we'd all post our ferocious comments and then start shooting away like crazy until the old lady next door starts acting jittery, calls the cops, and the national guard arrives on our door step. How lovely.
设想一下，一支CNN读者组成的军队手持干草叉和枪支，以评论开道一马当先……只要看到那些让我们不爽的文章（任何有关中国的、领先涂层、共产主义、更多中国、共产中国的隐形战机，等等），我们就集体发飙喷出凶猛的评论，然后像疯了一样开火，直到隔壁的老女人抓狂，报警，然后，国民警卫队来敲门，真欢乐啊。。。。。
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buzzcook
@windbourne - I hear your concern though I'd still rate China along with India. Indian got together with Russia and had discussions with China about building one together but they went alone. People in aviation circles were talking about India and China working on a 5th gen as early as 2007/8. Patriot2011 is right the US is still far ahead and when I look behind at the moment it is still Russia in the air and space. less
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楼上的@windbourne-我听到你的担心了。但我还是认为中国和印度的发展速度差不多。印度曾和俄罗斯、中国讨论共同搞第五代战机，但最终是中国自力更生了。航空圈的人曾认为印度和中国早在2007-2008年就开始搞第五代战机了。美国搞爱国者2011是对的。美国至今遥遥领先，而俄罗斯在空、天领域仍然大幅落后【靠，前言不搭后语，这都是神马思维逻辑嘛￥#··！2·#··@——柴不胡注】
buzzcook
@ShovelingSnw - sorry i meant Russia jointly with India and Russia jointly with China though the Russia/India went ahead while China went alone. Also I meant China and India developing 5th gens independantly
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楼上的@ShovelingSnw，抱歉，我的意思是，俄罗斯联手印度、俄罗斯联手中国，但在中国自力更生时，俄印领先了。我指的还有印度、中国都在独立研发第五代战机。。。。。【唉！这悲催的哥们还是一脑子糨糊——柴不胡注】
ShovelingSnw
China and India aren't going to jointly develop anything anymore than China and the US would.
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中国和印度不会联手发展任何超出中美能搞的东东。。。。
Tito614
Iraq and Afghanistan have shown that no country really needs to exactly match the US in technological sophistication and military technology. All you need is sufficient technology to hit back and hard. PERIOD. Why should anyone spend so much on tanks and planes and aircraft carriers? The ONLY saving grace for the US is that countries like Russia and China haven't thought to supply the Afghans and Iraqis with 3 things - surface-to-air missiles, anti-tank missiles and anti-personnel/ anti-tank mines. Armed with these and their Kalashnikovs, the insurgents in those two countries would stop the US armed with all their forces "superior technology" DEAD in their tracks.
伊拉克和阿富汗战争表明，没有哪个国家真的需要和美国在军事科技领域开展竞赛？你所需要的只是以足够的科技强硬回击？
为啥我们在坦克、飞机和航母上大把烧钱呢？因为美国在阿富汗和伊拉克仅存的那点风度是拜中俄所赐，他们没有向那两个国家提供地空导弹、反坦克导弹、杀伤性反坦克地雷。有了这些武器，两国的叛乱分子就足以阻止美军，让他们和那些领先科技武器就死定了。
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esreddy3
Latest russian mig would be a good example of russian air superiority.
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最新款俄制米格原来不就是俄罗斯空军领先的样板嘛。
nyvrem
HAVE people not woken up yet to the fact that this world is so over populated.People are consuming more food and resources than the earth can manage.Look at your public transport, traffic jams,over crowding shopping centers and hospitals, There has to be major wars to cut down the population other wise 16 people will be sharing a 2 bedroom flat or house. Massive over crowding trains and buses and ferries, I have once went to catch a train early in the morning and people were that jammed packed that the doors could not even open properly,All this talk about peace between countries is only producing more lives to be born. The ratio between death and life is 4 to 1 :::: 4 are born while 1 dies every second around the world. You may think im being a bit weird here but follow each day as it goes along and tell me how frustrated you feel each day with so many people every where. less
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人们还没睡醒，没认识到这个世界人口过度。人们消费了太多的食物和资源，地球已经无法满足需求。看看你们的公共交通、交通拥挤、人头攒动的购物中心和医院，的确需要一场大战来削减写人口，否则只能16个人住在2居室。人满为患的火车、公共汽车和轮渡，我有一次大清早赶火车，人挤得车门都关不上。所有这些关于和平共处的高论只有一个结果：更多生育。现在，出生、死亡比率是4：1，全世界每秒钟生4个才死1个。
你也许认为我在这儿的话有点离经叛道，但就这样一天天这么过下去，告诉我，到处都是人山人海的，你得多沮丧。
esreddy3
"..... tell me how frustrated you feel each day with so many people every were"... that would include you. Why hope and pray for a war that might or might not happen and sacrifice others lives. You are one extra person in the same population that frustrates you, easier solution, take yourself's out. Problem solved.
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“告诉我，到处都是人山人海的，你得多沮丧……”那些人里也包括你。为什么希望、祈祷那些有的没的战争，牺牲其他人的性命。你自己也是那个让你沮丧的多余人口，很简单，把你自己剔出去。不就结了。
JuicyJaymes
Don't be fooled people this plane is just a shell. China never misses a chance at propaganda. If they had any confidence we would see images of this thing in the air, and it wouldn't be taken by someones flip phone.
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别傻了。那飞机只是个壳。中国从不放弃吹牛的机会。如果他们真的有信心，我们早就看到这玩意儿在飞了，而不只是在某些人的失去理性判断的电话里。
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看了这么多评论，还是美国和德国的最理性。俄国熊和高卢鸡只剩下泛酸水，而且连酸水都喷的不靠谱。难怪美帝可以称霸世界至今，德国可以在二战以后再起。
毛子那个是哥酸啊，酸的没点大国风范美国人不靠谱的也不少。看看雅虎的评论
还是美国人评论最理性化，这也是为什么他们最可怕的敌人的原因
也是一堆FF在乱说乱话
很欢乐。
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独乐乐不如众乐乐
厕所首席执行官 发表于 2011-1-13 19:59 
日本也很酸的啊……而且简直就是喷F了
日本也很酸的啊……而且简直就是喷F了
请允许他们自慰吧
大狸子 发表于 2011-1-13 20:12
嘿嘿，小日本嫉妒咱了
嘿嘿，小日本嫉妒咱了
这个,我们要保持清醒的头脑!
美国不靠谱的也很多。
看各国的评论太欢乐了