超级军网F117退役的真正原因
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F-117战机唯一被击落的事件发生在科索沃战争期间，1999年3月27日，它被南联盟军队摧毁。过去公开流行的说法是：南联盟第250导弹旅第3营，使用老式苏制S-125（西方称"萨姆3"）击落了这架编号为82-806的美军F-117隐形战斗机。此次战斗在中国互联网上更传得神乎其神，说是什么中国神秘雷达协助南联盟击落了这架F117。美军的说法是F-117战机因投弹而打开舱门才被发现的。
但事实上，是F-117战机本身存在重大技术漏洞-----即对米波不能隐形。 南联盟用老式米波雷达早在这架倒霉的F-117战机起飞到完成轰炸的全过程都有效掌握了，在F-117战机航线上预设攻击阵地，用传统的高炮（看清楚是高射炮，不是导弹，这一点特别有意义）击落了这架F-117战机。于是，隐形技术不完善的、亚音速的、机动性较差的、飞行路线和角度预先定制的F-117战机只能提前退役，而被新一代的隐形战机如F-22等取代。
而这是否说明新一代的隐形战机已经很好的解决了对付米波雷达的问题呢？如果是，那么对F-22就更加BKC了。F-117战机唯一被击落的事件发生在科索沃战争期间，1999年3月27日，它被南联盟军队摧毁。过去公开流行的说法是：南联盟第250导弹旅第3营，使用老式苏制S-125（西方称"萨姆3"）击落了这架编号为82-806的美军F-117隐形战斗机。此次战斗在中国互联网上更传得神乎其神，说是什么中国神秘雷达协助南联盟击落了这架F117。美军的说法是F-117战机因投弹而打开舱门才被发现的。
但事实上，是F-117战机本身存在重大技术漏洞-----即对米波不能隐形。 南联盟用老式米波雷达早在这架倒霉的F-117战机起飞到完成轰炸的全过程都有效掌握了，在F-117战机航线上预设攻击阵地，用传统的高炮（看清楚是高射炮，不是导弹，这一点特别有意义）击落了这架F-117战机。于是，隐形技术不完善的、亚音速的、机动性较差的、飞行路线和角度预先定制的F-117战机只能提前退役，而被新一代的隐形战机如F-22等取代。
而这是否说明新一代的隐形战机已经很好的解决了对付米波雷达的问题呢？如果是，那么对F-22就更加BKC了。
但事实上，是F-117战机本身存在重大技术漏洞-----即对米波不能隐形。 南联盟用老式米波雷达早在这架倒霉的F-117战机起飞到完成轰炸的全过程都有效掌握了，在F-117战机航线上预设攻击阵地，用传统的高炮（看清楚是高射炮，不是导弹，这一点特别有意义）击落了这架F-117战机。于是，隐形技术不完善的、亚音速的、机动性较差的、飞行路线和角度预先定制的F-117战机只能提前退役，而被新一代的隐形战机如F-22等取代。
而这是否说明新一代的隐形战机已经很好的解决了对付米波雷达的问题呢？如果是，那么对F-22就更加BKC了。F-117战机唯一被击落的事件发生在科索沃战争期间，1999年3月27日，它被南联盟军队摧毁。过去公开流行的说法是：南联盟第250导弹旅第3营，使用老式苏制S-125（西方称"萨姆3"）击落了这架编号为82-806的美军F-117隐形战斗机。此次战斗在中国互联网上更传得神乎其神，说是什么中国神秘雷达协助南联盟击落了这架F117。美军的说法是F-117战机因投弹而打开舱门才被发现的。
但事实上，是F-117战机本身存在重大技术漏洞-----即对米波不能隐形。 南联盟用老式米波雷达早在这架倒霉的F-117战机起飞到完成轰炸的全过程都有效掌握了，在F-117战机航线上预设攻击阵地，用传统的高炮（看清楚是高射炮，不是导弹，这一点特别有意义）击落了这架F-117战机。于是，隐形技术不完善的、亚音速的、机动性较差的、飞行路线和角度预先定制的F-117战机只能提前退役，而被新一代的隐形战机如F-22等取代。
而这是否说明新一代的隐形战机已经很好的解决了对付米波雷达的问题呢？如果是，那么对F-22就更加BKC了。
要如何才能使LZ相信，南联盟击落F-117只是件小概率事件呢...
楼主怎么能知道怎么详细呢.莫非是上帝[:a1:]
楼主搞清楚基本概念，比如波长和什么呈正比和什么呈反比，再来发贴比较好
这些东西随便百度一下就能搜到的
这些东西随便百度一下就能搜到的
看着怎么就觉得很像sina呢？
LZ怎么对这些机密这么清楚呢？
LZ怎么对这些机密这么清楚呢？
F22想防米波雷达，先要做到和B2一样大
楼主投下钓钩,立刻许多自以为是的家伙浮了上来
很多人都不看ccav啊
众说纷纭
作战效能太低
这是CCAV上说的
F117退役最主要是涂料和载蛋量太少就两棵制导炸弹{不是导弹}
7# godsbless
先别说这么明白嘛，让我们好好看看热闹多好;P ;P
先别说这么明白嘛，让我们好好看看热闹多好;P ;P
LZ难道不知道南联盟击落F117A就和中500万彩票一样是小概率事件吗
npuskyhorse-1 发表于 2009-9-6 11:04 
;P
[:a13:]
真这么牛大B
就不会退役了
;P
[:a13:]
真这么牛大B
就不会退役了
npuskyhorse-1 发表于 2009-9-6 11:04
神器阿
MD为了世界的和平，因为苦于找不到对手所以让他退役了。:b
神器阿
MD为了世界的和平，因为苦于找不到对手所以让他退役了。:b
是有可能的
米波雷达的缺点是无法定位 无法精确引导导弹发射
如果只是发现个大概方向 用高炮群轰的话是可能的
当然集中的概率也不会很大 但是不失为一种土办法
米波雷达的缺点是无法定位 无法精确引导导弹发射
如果只是发现个大概方向 用高炮群轰的话是可能的
当然集中的概率也不会很大 但是不失为一种土办法
楼上说F117那么厉害，美军还让他退役干嘛。F117一定是有不为人知的致命缺陷，连F15都没被击落，何况隐形的F117？什么是撞运气等，不过是一些YY猜测而已，真实的情况只有当事人自己知道了
服役期差不多到了的因素，第一代隐身涂料维护费用又高
况且作用又单一，载弹量又小，美军作用单一的武器基本都退役或下马了（F-14，S-3,十字军火炮等）
况且作用又单一，载弹量又小，美军作用单一的武器基本都退役或下马了（F-14，S-3,十字军火炮等）
楼上的是正解。。。
楼顶的既然是大能，请详细说说消息来源。
F22才是F117的掘墓者吧，人家F22使用费用低，效能高得多，为啥要拿那个几十岁老掉牙的F117死磕呢？？寿命都到了，退役了事，
倒是某些穷国家，看着人家已经淘汰了的玩意流口水，于是葡萄好酸啊，
倒是某些穷国家，看着人家已经淘汰了的玩意流口水，于是葡萄好酸啊，
载弹量小是硬伤
F14后期改进多用途性能还是可以的，关键是效费比问题导致猫猫下线了，不过人家猫猫一世英名，也没必要继续操劳了，搞不好来个晚节不保那还不亏死，，，，，可惜最终连全尸都没留，唉，，，下场堪比老6啊，
F14后期改进多用途性能还是可以的，关键是效费比问题导致猫猫下线了，不过人家猫猫一世英名，也没必要继续操劳了，搞不好来个晚节不保那还不亏死，，，，，可惜最终连全尸都没留，唉，，，下场堪比老6啊，
冰特凉 发表于 2009-9-6 12:07
我也我不说的 就算是现在的TG 打伊拉克 炸南联盟 执行最危险的任务 出动数千次 只被对方击落一架 什么飞机能做到? 强5 飞豹 还是轰6?
MD 有了宾利 现在不坐宝马了
一帮现在还开着夏利的傻瓜在那YY宝马是垃圾
请回去温习吃不到葡萄就说葡萄是酸的
我也我不说的 就算是现在的TG 打伊拉克 炸南联盟 执行最危险的任务 出动数千次 只被对方击落一架 什么飞机能做到? 强5 飞豹 还是轰6?
MD 有了宾利 现在不坐宝马了
一帮现在还开着夏利的傻瓜在那YY宝马是垃圾
请回去温习吃不到葡萄就说葡萄是酸的
帖一段吵架内容.
A的头儿是诺斯索普的合作伙伴 B是前南联盟,现塞尔维亚军官.参与击落F-117
A:The RCS value we chose for the F-117 is based on testing it in-game against ground-based missile systems, and against airborne interceptors. A powerful radar will "see" the F-117 at 25 nm, but cannot acquire it (achieve "radar lock"), until it's within 4-5 nm. The only ground-based threat that is deadly at close range, is the SA-10 (S-300).
The heat signature value likewise renders that model invisible to all but the closest threats, and even then, 70-80% of IRMs that do manage to initially acquire it, go stupid and lose lock, just after they're launched.
A:Yes i'm sure, the F-117 was essentially 1978 technology. And it wasn't "seen" by the SA-3's radar. Its wake turbulance was
B:S-125 Neva/Pechora(SA-3) is not designed to destroy vapour, but airplanes. This system can be guided with several types of radars>
P-15 "Flat Face" or P-15M(2) "Squat Eye" 380 kW C-band target acquisition radar (also used by the SA-6 and SA-8, range 250 km/155 miles),
SNR-125 "Low Blow" 250 kW I/D-band tracking, fire control and guidance radar (range 40 km/25 miles, second mode 80 km/50 miles),
PRV-11 "Side Net" E-band height finder (also used by SA-2, SA-4 and SA-5, range 28 km/17 miles, max height 32 km/105,000 ft),
"Flat Face"/"Squat Eye" is mounted on a van ("Squat Eye" on a taller mast for better performance against low-altitude targets), "Low Blow" on a trailer and "Side Net" on a box-bodied trailer.
Radar screen showed object size - similar to wild duck, but one thing was strange, duck usually don't fly at 400kts. Radar picked it up, lock and 2 SA-3 missiles was launched and one "back up" SA-2 from another unit, soon target was destroyed. When you know what to search, you can manualy put search sight on target - rest is up to missile.
And, with all respect, you were not there, but some of us were.
The RCS value we chose for the F-117 is based on testing it in-game against ground-based missile systems, and against airborne interceptors. A powerful radar will "see" the F-117 at 25 nm, but cannot acquire it (achieve "radar lock"), until it's within 4-5 nm. The only ground-based threat that is deadly at close range, is the SA-10 (S-300).
The heat signature value likewise renders that model invisible to all but the closest threats, and even then, 70-80% of IRMs that do manage to initially acquire it, go stupid and lose lock, just after they're launched.
B:Hmmm, are you sure?
Our SA-3 modified a bit lock and hit F-117 with no problem, and agree for S-300 systems - they are dangerous even for newer stealth planes.
A:Yes i'm sure, the F-117 was essentially 1978 technology. And it wasn't "seen" by the SA-3's radar. Its wake turbulance was
A:Yes i'm sure, the F-117 was essentially 1978 technology. And it wasn't "seen" by the SA-3's radar. Its wake turbulance was,
B:S-125 Neva/Pechora(SA-3) is not designed to destroy vapour, but airplanes. This system can be guided with several types of radars>
P-15 "Flat Face" or P-15M(2) "Squat Eye" 380 kW C-band target acquisition radar (also used by the SA-6 and SA-8, range 250 km/155 miles),
SNR-125 "Low Blow" 250 kW I/D-band tracking, fire control and guidance radar (range 40 km/25 miles, second mode 80 km/50 miles),
PRV-11 "Side Net" E-band height finder (also used by SA-2, SA-4 and SA-5, range 28 km/17 miles, max height 32 km/105,000 ft),
"Flat Face"/"Squat Eye" is mounted on a van ("Squat Eye" on a taller mast for better performance against low-altitude targets), "Low Blow" on a trailer and "Side Net" on a box-bodied trailer.
Radar screen showed object size - similar to wild duck, but one thing was strange, duck usually don't fly at 400kts. Radar picked it up, lock and 2 SA-3 missiles was launched and one "back up" SA-2 from another unit, soon target was destroyed. When you know what to search, you can manualy put search sight on target - rest is up to missile.
And, with all respect, you were not there, but some of us were.
A:tell me about your degree in Physics. What it saw was the wake turbulance coming off the area between the stabilators. the aircraft has a frontal RCS smaller than a hummingbird. and this was verified on radars far more powerful, and on displays with far more resolution, than what you would have out in the field.
B:Very funny...regarding degree. What is your degree?
There are several "theories" like - F-117 opened weapons bay and radar picked it up, etc.
I told you real version of event, anything more will be violation of our law and Military Secret.
Cheers
B:A real "BS" degree, as I didn't even stay to complete my freshman year at Rutgers :haha: My boss, however, is a PHD who's lectured at Cambridge, worked at Los Alamos, and has worked on a few aerospace projects with (and for) Northrop-Grumman.
A的头儿是诺斯索普的合作伙伴 B是前南联盟,现塞尔维亚军官.参与击落F-117
A:The RCS value we chose for the F-117 is based on testing it in-game against ground-based missile systems, and against airborne interceptors. A powerful radar will "see" the F-117 at 25 nm, but cannot acquire it (achieve "radar lock"), until it's within 4-5 nm. The only ground-based threat that is deadly at close range, is the SA-10 (S-300).
The heat signature value likewise renders that model invisible to all but the closest threats, and even then, 70-80% of IRMs that do manage to initially acquire it, go stupid and lose lock, just after they're launched.
A:Yes i'm sure, the F-117 was essentially 1978 technology. And it wasn't "seen" by the SA-3's radar. Its wake turbulance was
B:S-125 Neva/Pechora(SA-3) is not designed to destroy vapour, but airplanes. This system can be guided with several types of radars>
P-15 "Flat Face" or P-15M(2) "Squat Eye" 380 kW C-band target acquisition radar (also used by the SA-6 and SA-8, range 250 km/155 miles),
SNR-125 "Low Blow" 250 kW I/D-band tracking, fire control and guidance radar (range 40 km/25 miles, second mode 80 km/50 miles),
PRV-11 "Side Net" E-band height finder (also used by SA-2, SA-4 and SA-5, range 28 km/17 miles, max height 32 km/105,000 ft),
"Flat Face"/"Squat Eye" is mounted on a van ("Squat Eye" on a taller mast for better performance against low-altitude targets), "Low Blow" on a trailer and "Side Net" on a box-bodied trailer.
Radar screen showed object size - similar to wild duck, but one thing was strange, duck usually don't fly at 400kts. Radar picked it up, lock and 2 SA-3 missiles was launched and one "back up" SA-2 from another unit, soon target was destroyed. When you know what to search, you can manualy put search sight on target - rest is up to missile.
And, with all respect, you were not there, but some of us were.
The RCS value we chose for the F-117 is based on testing it in-game against ground-based missile systems, and against airborne interceptors. A powerful radar will "see" the F-117 at 25 nm, but cannot acquire it (achieve "radar lock"), until it's within 4-5 nm. The only ground-based threat that is deadly at close range, is the SA-10 (S-300).
The heat signature value likewise renders that model invisible to all but the closest threats, and even then, 70-80% of IRMs that do manage to initially acquire it, go stupid and lose lock, just after they're launched.
B:Hmmm, are you sure?
Our SA-3 modified a bit lock and hit F-117 with no problem, and agree for S-300 systems - they are dangerous even for newer stealth planes.
A:Yes i'm sure, the F-117 was essentially 1978 technology. And it wasn't "seen" by the SA-3's radar. Its wake turbulance was
A:Yes i'm sure, the F-117 was essentially 1978 technology. And it wasn't "seen" by the SA-3's radar. Its wake turbulance was,
B:S-125 Neva/Pechora(SA-3) is not designed to destroy vapour, but airplanes. This system can be guided with several types of radars>
P-15 "Flat Face" or P-15M(2) "Squat Eye" 380 kW C-band target acquisition radar (also used by the SA-6 and SA-8, range 250 km/155 miles),
SNR-125 "Low Blow" 250 kW I/D-band tracking, fire control and guidance radar (range 40 km/25 miles, second mode 80 km/50 miles),
PRV-11 "Side Net" E-band height finder (also used by SA-2, SA-4 and SA-5, range 28 km/17 miles, max height 32 km/105,000 ft),
"Flat Face"/"Squat Eye" is mounted on a van ("Squat Eye" on a taller mast for better performance against low-altitude targets), "Low Blow" on a trailer and "Side Net" on a box-bodied trailer.
Radar screen showed object size - similar to wild duck, but one thing was strange, duck usually don't fly at 400kts. Radar picked it up, lock and 2 SA-3 missiles was launched and one "back up" SA-2 from another unit, soon target was destroyed. When you know what to search, you can manualy put search sight on target - rest is up to missile.
And, with all respect, you were not there, but some of us were.
A:tell me about your degree in Physics. What it saw was the wake turbulance coming off the area between the stabilators. the aircraft has a frontal RCS smaller than a hummingbird. and this was verified on radars far more powerful, and on displays with far more resolution, than what you would have out in the field.
B:Very funny...regarding degree. What is your degree?
There are several "theories" like - F-117 opened weapons bay and radar picked it up, etc.
I told you real version of event, anything more will be violation of our law and Military Secret.
Cheers
B:A real "BS" degree, as I didn't even stay to complete my freshman year at Rutgers :haha: My boss, however, is a PHD who's lectured at Cambridge, worked at Los Alamos, and has worked on a few aerospace projects with (and for) Northrop-Grumman.
27# erwinhans
弱弱的问一下ls的
第一段中的nm是什么意思?
肯定不是纳米
弱弱的问一下ls的
第一段中的nm是什么意思?
肯定不是纳米
lxkillerwhale 发表于 2009-9-6 13:03
1英里=大概1.6公里吧....
1英里=大概1.6公里吧....
不是英里，是海里
记得看过一个美国电视访问节目，访问一个空军军官。说中国提供给南联盟的南京雷达可以发现隐形机，但南联盟的雷达不成体系。:L
lxkillerwhale 发表于 2009-9-6 12:52
如你所说F117是宝马的话，那F-15算什么呢？F117退役的时候，F22并未形成战斗力。为什么，凡是美国被打下来的飞机都有很好的理由开脱，F18如此F117也是如此。
如你所说F117是宝马的话，那F-15算什么呢？F117退役的时候，F22并未形成战斗力。为什么，凡是美国被打下来的飞机都有很好的理由开脱，F18如此F117也是如此。
32# 冰特凉
那您给说说据您分析在出了b2 在f22服役前哪种执行踹门者任务的飞机会比f117更出色?
那您给说说据您分析在出了b2 在f22服役前哪种执行踹门者任务的飞机会比f117更出色?
F-22更垃圾。一飞行棺材而已，频繁故障，摔了N架。因为不安全，飞行员经常抗议罢飞。
在隐身性上，F-22也早已被攻破。在“照妖镜”下，完全没有隐身而言。
在隐身性上，F-22也早已被攻破。在“照妖镜”下，完全没有隐身而言。
冰特凉 发表于 2009-9-6 13:29
F117在08年才退役完毕，F22还没服役？
而且服役了27年才退役的老机还有什么好说的？
F117在08年才退役完毕，F22还没服役？
而且服役了27年才退役的老机还有什么好说的？
屠城校尉 发表于 2009-9-6 13:26
街边小报害的美国人提前退役F117，建议增加发行量
街边小报害的美国人提前退役F117，建议增加发行量
高射炮的射高是多少？:(
xlmy 发表于 2009-9-6 14:52
……您还来这套啊……上次被一干人科普的不是已经很足了么？
……您还来这套啊……上次被一干人科普的不是已经很足了么？
xlmy 发表于 2009-9-6 14:52
哇塞
你真把米帝当冤大头了啊，拿1亿美元堆一个废铁上天{:3_93:}
你脑残人家不脑残。。。。。。。。。。。。。
哇塞
你真把米帝当冤大头了啊，拿1亿美元堆一个废铁上天{:3_93:}
你脑残人家不脑残。。。。。。。。。。。。。
一牧月 发表于 2009-9-6 16:56
科什么普？
一帮有有严重自虐倾向（也包括你），撅着屁股等着被你们美鬼干爹暴菊的自虐垃圾有什么资格科普？
科什么普？
一帮有有严重自虐倾向（也包括你），撅着屁股等着被你们美鬼干爹暴菊的自虐垃圾有什么资格科普？