美国媒体标题：英国向中国叩头。引国外网民争论

转自 123huayi.com/mei-guo/yingguoxiangzhongguokoutou.html

Last year, London Mayor Boris Johnson heralded thejust-completed London 2012 Summer Olympic Games as a triumph for the city and amagnet for tourism and foreign investment. But this open invitation,apparently, didn’t extend to China. Two months prior to the Games, the BritishAmbassador in Beijing, Sebastian Wood, labeled the U.K. “a fortress” topotential Chinese visitors.

去年，伦敦市长鲍里斯·约翰逊宣告刚刚结束的2012伦敦夏季奥运会，这是这个城市的一大胜利，是一块吸引游客和外国投资的磁石。但这种公开的邀请显然没有延伸到中国。奥运会前两个月，在北京的英国驻华大使塞巴斯蒂安·伍德，对潜在的中国游客给英国贴上了“堡垒”的标签。

This year, the UN World Tourism organizationmarked Chinese tourists as the single biggest source of income in globaltourism: As a group, they spent $102 billion overseas in 2012, more than 30percent more than visitors from other countries. But while a single Schengenvisa enables tourists to gain entry into most countries in the EU, the U.K.requires a separate visa that costs almost twice as much. This, Wood argued,deterred wealthy Chinese tourists from visiting the country, and caused theU.K. to lose significant revenue to European neighbors such as France andGermany.

今年，联合国世界旅游组织把中国游客标记为全球旅游业收入的最大来源：作为一个2012年在海外花了1.02亿美元的群体，比其他国家游客多出超过30%。但是当一个单一的申根签证使游客能够进入大多数欧盟国家，英国却需要成本将近申根签证两倍的单独签证。伍德认为这打消了富有的中国游客来这个国家旅游的念头，并导致英国失去比欧洲邻国更多的重要收入，例如法国和德国。

A key component of the British visit was easingvisa regulations for Chinese visitors. At Peking University, Osborne announcedthe launch of a 24-hour “super priority” service that would fast-track visasfor Chinese business leaders traveling to the U.K. as well as a separateprocess that would allow certain Chinese travel agents to apply for U.K. visasusing the same application as for the Schengen.

英国访问的一个关键组成部分是放宽中国游客的签证。在北京大学，奥斯本宣布启动24小时“超级优先”服务，该服务会为中国商界领导人前往英国做快速签证，并作为单独的一项进程，允许一些中国旅行社用申请申根签证同样的程序来申请英国签证。

Johnson also mentioned the huge income derivedfrom Britain’s 130,000-strong Chinese student population, noting that “Londonhas more Chinese students than any other city on earth, outside China.”Reminding the audience that Harry Potter’s girlfriend was also a Chinesestudent, he added: “Let me make this clear to you and to the whole of China:There is no limit to the number of Chinese who can study in Britain.” Thestatement, given recent events, was striking: Last year the U.K.  announced a policy to reduce annual netimmigration from outside the EU, shortening the length of stay for overseasstudents. And while previous visas offered students the right to seekemployment in the U.K. for two years, now only those who graduate with joboffers can stay. Why, then, is the U.K. suddenly reversing course with China?

约翰逊还提到来自英国130000庞大中国学生人群的巨大收入，指出“伦敦的中国学生数量比中国以外的地球上任何城市都多。”提醒观众哈利·波特的女友也是一名中国学生，他补充道：“我要让你们和整个中国明白这点：中国人可以在英国学习的数量没有限制。”这项声明鉴于最近发生惊人的事件：去年英国宣布了一项政策来减少每年来自欧盟以外的净移民，缩短海外学生的停留时间。而且虽然以前的签证给了学生两年在英国找工作的权利，，但是现在只有那些有聘书的毕业生才能留下。那为什么英国突然逆转对中国的策略了？

China has made significant investments inBritish industry and infrastructure. These include shares in London’swater supply as well as a project to expand Heathrow Airport, the latter worth ￡800million ($1.28 billion) and expected to create 16,000 jobs.

中国在英国的工业和基础设施中已经有重大投资。其中包括伦敦供水项目股份和扩大希斯罗机场的项目，后者价值8亿英镑（12.8亿美元）并且预计将创造16000个就业岗位。

The U.K. has even eased regulations for Chinesebanks to set up branches in London, relaxing rules brought in as a result ofthe financial crisis that required most foreign banks to set up “subsidiaries”that operate under tighter controls of the Prudential Regulatory Authority(PRA).

英国甚至放松对中国银行在伦敦建立分行的规定，审慎监管管理局（PRA）严格控制大多数银行在国外设立的附属公司，放松管控会导致金融危机

Even more contentious is China’s foray intoBritain’s nuclear power industry. During his visit George Osborne announcedthat Chinese state-owned companies would take a minority share in thecontroversial Hinkley Point C nuclear power station in southwest England, thefirst to be constructed in the U.K in 20 years.

更有争议的是中国进军英国核电产业。乔治·奥巴马在他访问期间宣布中国国有企业会在英国西南部有争议的欣克利角C核电站享有少数股份，这会是英国再20年内再建造的第一个核电站。

While the success of the Sino-British traderelationship hinges on a balance of political tact and strict regulatory checkswith strong accountability, for some, the U.K. government’s latest move signalsthe end to British integrity. Jonathan Mirsky, a former East Asia editor of theTimes writing in the New York Review of Books, sees the new relationship as asell-out, on what he calls “precisely the things that have made Britain great:freedom, democracy and above all, speaking truth to power.”

而中英贸易关系的成功取决于政治机制和有强烈责任感的严格监管监察之间的平衡，对有些人来说，英国政府的最新举措标志着英国彻底完蛋了。乔纳森·米尔斯基，《时代》前东亚编辑在《纽约书评》中写道，新关系的出现背叛了初衷，正如他所说的“恰恰是自由，民主高于一切，敢于向权力说出真相，这些东西使英国变强大”

网民评论翻译：

napper  a day ago
The usual negative propaganda from the Atlantic, a known US propaganda mouth piece
通常负面宣传来自大西洋月刊，认知来自美国的口口相传。

Taishanese  6 days ago
A little too much controversy surrounding Chinese investments. When you look at the big picture and the numbers, despite the media surrounding Chinese investments, it's relatively small compared to other major countries like the US and the other European countries.
China's GDP is a little over 50% the size of the US, $9 trillion vs $16 trillion. But her cumulative outbound investments is only 10% the size of the US, $500 billion vs $5 trillion. America and Europe's investment in the UK dwarfs that of China's current investment in the UK.
So, really, China has years of catching up to do. The UK is not kowtowing to China, but rather, inviting her to reach her full potential in UK investments.
对中国投资的争议有点多。得看大局，尽管媒体围绕着中国投资议论，但其数额和其他主要国家，例如美国和其他欧洲国家相比，相对就较小。
中国的国民生产总值是美国的一半略多，9万亿美元对16万亿美元。但她的累计对外投资只有美国的10%，5000亿美元对5万亿美元。美国和欧洲在英国的投资使中国目前在英国的投资相形见绌。
所以，中国实在有好几年的追赶工作要做。英国不拍中国的马屁，而是邀请他发挥出他在英国投资的全部潜力。

matimal  7 days ago
Absolutely, the U.K. is groveling shamelessly. That's why the U.S. has to rebuild its strength so it doesn't have to do the same. There has to be some opposing force to China or the world faces some dark times.
英国完全是厚着脸皮卑躬屈膝地讨好。这就是为什么美国不得不重建它的力量，它不用像英国这样。必须要有一股跟中国对立的力量，不然世界会面临一段黑暗时代。

Zhuubaajie  回复matimal  6 days ago
Dark times?? Hardly.
China is the fastest growing major market in the world, and the Chinese engineering teams can bid 30% lower than Western outfits, and still build quality projects AND make money. That is exactly what the UK needs in infrastructure renewal in order to better compete.
Whatever the West can make, China can make in 5 years at a typical cost down of at least 30%. All consumers around the globe benefits from this boost to living standards due to Made in China.
The West "aided" Africa for 300 years and the natives were poorer after all that time. China went in, and in the last 10-15 years, ALL African nations that actively accepted Chinese investments were growing their economies and bettering the lives of the people.
How can that be dark times?
黑暗时代？？几乎不可能。
中国是世界上增长最快的主要市场，中国工程队的报价可以比西方团队低30%，并且还建出精品工程，同时还赚钱。这正是英国在为了有更好地竞争基础而更新基础设施。
虽然西方有能力做，中国在5年内却都会以低于典型成本至少30%的造价完成项目。全球消费者都受益于中国制造，生活水平得到推动提高。西方“援助”非洲300年，但当地人民在那之后变得更加贫穷。中国走进去并且在过去的10-15年中，所有积极接受中国投资的非洲国家经济都在增长，他们国家的人民生活也在变好。
那怎么会是黑暗时代呢？

matimal  Zhuubaajie  6 days ago
Dark Times for me and the people I care about. We don't want Chinese pollution, chinese food, chinese toys with lead, chinese medicine with arsenic or any other product of chinese labor camps. I decide whats in my interests, not you.
黑暗时代是对于我和我在乎的人来说。我们不想要中国的污染，中国的食物，中国的含铅玩具，中国的含砷的药或者是其他任何中国劳改营的产品。我这些决定符合我的利益，不是你的。

I don't think anyone cares much about what you don't want.
Don't want it? Don't buy it. But we already know you don't look at every single Country of Origin (COO) label of every single product you buy.
GOTG is the new StarWars  回复matimal  5 days ago
我觉得没人关心你不想要啥。
不想要？别买啊！但是我们都知道你不看你买的任何东西的原产国了。

whose "we"? I Always check country of origin.
matimal  回复GOTG is the new StarWars  5 days ago
谁的你所谓的“我们”？我一直都看原产国。

First of all it's "who is", not "whose". Speak your language properly.
Secondly, we is almost every other person on this planet. WE know that you probably don't check the COO label on every toilet paper product, every toothbrush, every basket of vegetables, every and any phone, TV, or electronic device.
I know this because 90% of all shoes, 85% of all toilets, and something like 80% of all electronic devices are either produced or assembled in China. You are a liar. By default, at least half of the non-food products in your home were Made in China.
Fool, try again.
GOTG is the new StarWars  回复matimal  5 days ago
首先应该说“谁是”，而不是“谁的”。把你的语言说准确了。
其次，我们是指生活在这个星球上的每一个人，我们知道你很可能不会检查每一卷厕纸，每一支牙刷，每一篮蔬菜，每一个电话，电视或电子设备上的首席运营商标签。
我知道这个是因为90%的鞋，85%的厕所和80%的电子设备都在中国生产或组装。你在撒谎。正常情况下，你家里至少一半的非食物产品由中国制造。
蠢蛋，再去看看吧！

fsun  7 days ago
can we put a moratorium on the use of "kow-tow" in headlines/articles related to China? It's played out, unoriginal, and cringe-inducing. Come up with something new and creative for a change.
我们可以在有关中国的标题或文章中先别用“叩头”这个词吗？这个词喧宾夺主并且畏缩诱导。得想出一些新的创造性的东西改变现状。

TakuanSoho  fsun  7 days ago
Completely agree, how about "Supplicating to China" or "Genuflecting to China", or even "Kissing the Posterior of China", all of which would be equally true.
完全认同你说的，“恳求中国”，“屈从中国”，或者甚至“亲中国的PP”怎么样，这些每一样都符合实际转自 123huayi.com/mei-guo/yingguoxiangzhongguokoutou.html

Last year, London Mayor Boris Johnson heralded thejust-completed London 2012 Summer Olympic Games as a triumph for the city and amagnet for tourism and foreign investment. But this open invitation,apparently, didn’t extend to China. Two months prior to the Games, the BritishAmbassador in Beijing, Sebastian Wood, labeled the U.K. “a fortress” topotential Chinese visitors.

去年，伦敦市长鲍里斯·约翰逊宣告刚刚结束的2012伦敦夏季奥运会，这是这个城市的一大胜利，是一块吸引游客和外国投资的磁石。但这种公开的邀请显然没有延伸到中国。奥运会前两个月，在北京的英国驻华大使塞巴斯蒂安·伍德，对潜在的中国游客给英国贴上了“堡垒”的标签。

This year, the UN World Tourism organizationmarked Chinese tourists as the single biggest source of income in globaltourism: As a group, they spent $102 billion overseas in 2012, more than 30percent more than visitors from other countries. But while a single Schengenvisa enables tourists to gain entry into most countries in the EU, the U.K.requires a separate visa that costs almost twice as much. This, Wood argued,deterred wealthy Chinese tourists from visiting the country, and caused theU.K. to lose significant revenue to European neighbors such as France andGermany.

今年，联合国世界旅游组织把中国游客标记为全球旅游业收入的最大来源：作为一个2012年在海外花了1.02亿美元的群体，比其他国家游客多出超过30%。但是当一个单一的申根签证使游客能够进入大多数欧盟国家，英国却需要成本将近申根签证两倍的单独签证。伍德认为这打消了富有的中国游客来这个国家旅游的念头，并导致英国失去比欧洲邻国更多的重要收入，例如法国和德国。

A key component of the British visit was easingvisa regulations for Chinese visitors. At Peking University, Osborne announcedthe launch of a 24-hour “super priority” service that would fast-track visasfor Chinese business leaders traveling to the U.K. as well as a separateprocess that would allow certain Chinese travel agents to apply for U.K. visasusing the same application as for the Schengen.

英国访问的一个关键组成部分是放宽中国游客的签证。在北京大学，奥斯本宣布启动24小时“超级优先”服务，该服务会为中国商界领导人前往英国做快速签证，并作为单独的一项进程，允许一些中国旅行社用申请申根签证同样的程序来申请英国签证。

Johnson also mentioned the huge income derivedfrom Britain’s 130,000-strong Chinese student population, noting that “Londonhas more Chinese students than any other city on earth, outside China.”Reminding the audience that Harry Potter’s girlfriend was also a Chinesestudent, he added: “Let me make this clear to you and to the whole of China:There is no limit to the number of Chinese who can study in Britain.” Thestatement, given recent events, was striking: Last year the U.K.  announced a policy to reduce annual netimmigration from outside the EU, shortening the length of stay for overseasstudents. And while previous visas offered students the right to seekemployment in the U.K. for two years, now only those who graduate with joboffers can stay. Why, then, is the U.K. suddenly reversing course with China?

约翰逊还提到来自英国130000庞大中国学生人群的巨大收入，指出“伦敦的中国学生数量比中国以外的地球上任何城市都多。”提醒观众哈利·波特的女友也是一名中国学生，他补充道：“我要让你们和整个中国明白这点：中国人可以在英国学习的数量没有限制。”这项声明鉴于最近发生惊人的事件：去年英国宣布了一项政策来减少每年来自欧盟以外的净移民，缩短海外学生的停留时间。而且虽然以前的签证给了学生两年在英国找工作的权利，，但是现在只有那些有聘书的毕业生才能留下。那为什么英国突然逆转对中国的策略了？

China has made significant investments inBritish industry and infrastructure. These include shares in London’swater supply as well as a project to expand Heathrow Airport, the latter worth ￡800million ($1.28 billion) and expected to create 16,000 jobs.

中国在英国的工业和基础设施中已经有重大投资。其中包括伦敦供水项目股份和扩大希斯罗机场的项目，后者价值8亿英镑（12.8亿美元）并且预计将创造16000个就业岗位。

The U.K. has even eased regulations for Chinesebanks to set up branches in London, relaxing rules brought in as a result ofthe financial crisis that required most foreign banks to set up “subsidiaries”that operate under tighter controls of the Prudential Regulatory Authority(PRA).

英国甚至放松对中国银行在伦敦建立分行的规定，审慎监管管理局（PRA）严格控制大多数银行在国外设立的附属公司，放松管控会导致金融危机

Even more contentious is China’s foray intoBritain’s nuclear power industry. During his visit George Osborne announcedthat Chinese state-owned companies would take a minority share in thecontroversial Hinkley Point C nuclear power station in southwest England, thefirst to be constructed in the U.K in 20 years.

更有争议的是中国进军英国核电产业。乔治·奥巴马在他访问期间宣布中国国有企业会在英国西南部有争议的欣克利角C核电站享有少数股份，这会是英国再20年内再建造的第一个核电站。

While the success of the Sino-British traderelationship hinges on a balance of political tact and strict regulatory checkswith strong accountability, for some, the U.K. government’s latest move signalsthe end to British integrity. Jonathan Mirsky, a former East Asia editor of theTimes writing in the New York Review of Books, sees the new relationship as asell-out, on what he calls “precisely the things that have made Britain great:freedom, democracy and above all, speaking truth to power.”

而中英贸易关系的成功取决于政治机制和有强烈责任感的严格监管监察之间的平衡，对有些人来说，英国政府的最新举措标志着英国彻底完蛋了。乔纳森·米尔斯基，《时代》前东亚编辑在《纽约书评》中写道，新关系的出现背叛了初衷，正如他所说的“恰恰是自由，民主高于一切，敢于向权力说出真相，这些东西使英国变强大”

网民评论翻译：

napper  a day ago
The usual negative propaganda from the Atlantic, a known US propaganda mouth piece
通常负面宣传来自大西洋月刊，认知来自美国的口口相传。

Taishanese  6 days ago
A little too much controversy surrounding Chinese investments. When you look at the big picture and the numbers, despite the media surrounding Chinese investments, it's relatively small compared to other major countries like the US and the other European countries.
China's GDP is a little over 50% the size of the US, $9 trillion vs $16 trillion. But her cumulative outbound investments is only 10% the size of the US, $500 billion vs $5 trillion. America and Europe's investment in the UK dwarfs that of China's current investment in the UK.
So, really, China has years of catching up to do. The UK is not kowtowing to China, but rather, inviting her to reach her full potential in UK investments.
对中国投资的争议有点多。得看大局，尽管媒体围绕着中国投资议论，但其数额和其他主要国家，例如美国和其他欧洲国家相比，相对就较小。
中国的国民生产总值是美国的一半略多，9万亿美元对16万亿美元。但她的累计对外投资只有美国的10%，5000亿美元对5万亿美元。美国和欧洲在英国的投资使中国目前在英国的投资相形见绌。
所以，中国实在有好几年的追赶工作要做。英国不拍中国的马屁，而是邀请他发挥出他在英国投资的全部潜力。

matimal  7 days ago
Absolutely, the U.K. is groveling shamelessly. That's why the U.S. has to rebuild its strength so it doesn't have to do the same. There has to be some opposing force to China or the world faces some dark times.
英国完全是厚着脸皮卑躬屈膝地讨好。这就是为什么美国不得不重建它的力量，它不用像英国这样。必须要有一股跟中国对立的力量，不然世界会面临一段黑暗时代。

Zhuubaajie  回复matimal  6 days ago
Dark times?? Hardly.
China is the fastest growing major market in the world, and the Chinese engineering teams can bid 30% lower than Western outfits, and still build quality projects AND make money. That is exactly what the UK needs in infrastructure renewal in order to better compete.
Whatever the West can make, China can make in 5 years at a typical cost down of at least 30%. All consumers around the globe benefits from this boost to living standards due to Made in China.
The West "aided" Africa for 300 years and the natives were poorer after all that time. China went in, and in the last 10-15 years, ALL African nations that actively accepted Chinese investments were growing their economies and bettering the lives of the people.
How can that be dark times?
黑暗时代？？几乎不可能。
中国是世界上增长最快的主要市场，中国工程队的报价可以比西方团队低30%，并且还建出精品工程，同时还赚钱。这正是英国在为了有更好地竞争基础而更新基础设施。
虽然西方有能力做，中国在5年内却都会以低于典型成本至少30%的造价完成项目。全球消费者都受益于中国制造，生活水平得到推动提高。西方“援助”非洲300年，但当地人民在那之后变得更加贫穷。中国走进去并且在过去的10-15年中，所有积极接受中国投资的非洲国家经济都在增长，他们国家的人民生活也在变好。
那怎么会是黑暗时代呢？

matimal  Zhuubaajie  6 days ago
Dark Times for me and the people I care about. We don't want Chinese pollution, chinese food, chinese toys with lead, chinese medicine with arsenic or any other product of chinese labor camps. I decide whats in my interests, not you.
黑暗时代是对于我和我在乎的人来说。我们不想要中国的污染，中国的食物，中国的含铅玩具，中国的含砷的药或者是其他任何中国劳改营的产品。我这些决定符合我的利益，不是你的。

I don't think anyone cares much about what you don't want.
Don't want it? Don't buy it. But we already know you don't look at every single Country of Origin (COO) label of every single product you buy.
GOTG is the new StarWars  回复matimal  5 days ago
我觉得没人关心你不想要啥。
不想要？别买啊！但是我们都知道你不看你买的任何东西的原产国了。

whose "we"? I Always check country of origin.
matimal  回复GOTG is the new StarWars  5 days ago
谁的你所谓的“我们”？我一直都看原产国。

First of all it's "who is", not "whose". Speak your language properly.
Secondly, we is almost every other person on this planet. WE know that you probably don't check the COO label on every toilet paper product, every toothbrush, every basket of vegetables, every and any phone, TV, or electronic device.
I know this because 90% of all shoes, 85% of all toilets, and something like 80% of all electronic devices are either produced or assembled in China. You are a liar. By default, at least half of the non-food products in your home were Made in China.
Fool, try again.
GOTG is the new StarWars  回复matimal  5 days ago
首先应该说“谁是”，而不是“谁的”。把你的语言说准确了。
其次，我们是指生活在这个星球上的每一个人，我们知道你很可能不会检查每一卷厕纸，每一支牙刷，每一篮蔬菜，每一个电话，电视或电子设备上的首席运营商标签。
我知道这个是因为90%的鞋，85%的厕所和80%的电子设备都在中国生产或组装。你在撒谎。正常情况下，你家里至少一半的非食物产品由中国制造。
蠢蛋，再去看看吧！

fsun  7 days ago
can we put a moratorium on the use of "kow-tow" in headlines/articles related to China? It's played out, unoriginal, and cringe-inducing. Come up with something new and creative for a change.
我们可以在有关中国的标题或文章中先别用“叩头”这个词吗？这个词喧宾夺主并且畏缩诱导。得想出一些新的创造性的东西改变现状。

TakuanSoho  fsun  7 days ago
Completely agree, how about "Supplicating to China" or "Genuflecting to China", or even "Kissing the Posterior of China", all of which would be equally true.
完全认同你说的，“恳求中国”，“屈从中国”，或者甚至“亲中国的PP”怎么样，这些每一样都符合实际