TG空军占了52%空域,民航只占20%,是训练水平差还是啥?

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到2020年民机数量要到4200架翻番,现在准点率74.5%霉国82%,是空军和ZF部门一样不愿放权还是训练水平差还是啥?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20 ... litary-control.html

China’s skies don’t have enough space.

The country’s air force controls airspace and allots only 20 percent to civil aviation. With China’s three biggest airlines planning to add at least 273 planes in the next three years, traffic congestion that already delays 25 percent of flights is set to worsen.

Enlarge image China Air Traffic Congestion Worsened by Military Restrictions  
China Air Traffic Congestion Worsened by Military Restrictions China Air Traffic Congestion Worsened by Military Restrictions  Nelson Ching/Bloomberg
Exhaust emits from a jet-engine on an Air China Ltd. airplane burning a mixture of jet fuel and bio-liquid fuel at Beijing Capital International Airport in Beijing. China’s air force, which has controlled the airspace since the People’s Republic was established in 1949, has started gradually relaxing some of the curbs.

Exhaust emits from a jet-engine on an Air China Ltd. airplane burning a mixture of jet fuel and bio-liquid fuel at Beijing Capital International Airport in Beijing. China’s air force, which has controlled the airspace since the People’s Republic was established in 1949, has started gradually relaxing some of the curbs. Photographer: Nelson Ching/Bloomberg
“At present, the limited airspace resource has restricted the development of civil aviation,” said Li Jiaxiang, the head of Civil Aviation Administration of China. “We will strive to further open up the airspace,” he said in Beijing yesterday.

Air China Ltd. (601111), China Eastern (670) Airlines Corp. and China Southern Airlines Co. (1055) have expanded their fleet as economic growth spurs air travel demand in the world’s most populous nation. The country is expected to have 4,200 commercial aircraft in 2020, compared with the current fleet size of 2,001 with 46 airlines, CAAC’s Li said.

China’s civil aviation uses about a fifth of available routes of the nation’s total airspace, Shi Boli, who heads the department of Air Transportation Regulation at CAAC, said in an interview. Military controls about 52 percent of airspace in eastern China, home to the country’s biggest cities of Beijing and Shanghai, according to a 2011 June report by the official China News Service.

“We are working hard and the military is also trying to improve the management of airspace,” Shi said. “But, it could take some time to achieve some improvement.”

U.S. Airspace
In the U.S., military restrictions don’t have much impact on civilian aviation because its airways tend to be located in desert regions or over oceans, far away from the busy airport hubs in cities such as New York, said Kevin Hiatt, president of Alexandria, Virginia-based Flight Safety Foundation. The military has also allowed its airspace to be used by civilian flights on some occasions such as busy holiday periods, he said.

Airspace over Europe is managed as a single unit and segregated on a “dynamic basis according to the needs of users,” air traffic supervisory agency Eurocontrol said. In general, areas will only be reserved for military use at certain times and at certain altitudes, it said in an e-mail.

The on-time performance rate of China’s airlines was about 74.5 percent last year, CAAC’s Shi said. In the U.S., 82 percent of the flights arrived on time in 2012, according to Bureau of Transportation statistics.
‘New Leadership’
“People are hoping that the country’s new leadership can have a breakthrough in getting more airspace released to accommodate the rapid growth,” said Kelvin Lau, a Hong Kong-based analyst at Daiwa Securities Group Inc. “Otherwise, delays will persist and hurt the airlines’ long term growth prospects.”

China’s air force, which has controlled the airspace since the People’s Republic was established in 1949, has started gradually relaxing some of the curbs. It has begun to open low-altitude airspace and released more information about the availability of temporary routes, the Official Xinhua News Agency reported in August.

Still, the pace isn’t quick enough to catch up with the airlines’ growth as the number of annual passengers has more than doubled in the past seven years, said David Wei, an aerospace analyst with Shanghai Securities Co.

‘Historical Reasons’
“The military has a bigger say in China’s airspace usage for historical reasons,” Wei said. “It has no incentive to concede the right unless the government wants it to.”

Four calls to the press office of China’s Ministry of National Defense went unanswered today. Questions faxed to the office also didn’t receive an immediate reply.

Airspace congestion is severe in main locations around China’s big hubs, according to Andrew Herdman, director-general of the Kuala Lumpur-based Association of Asia Pacific Airlines.

“You need flexibility. The military need access to airspace but not all the time,” Herdman said. “The big reality is that civil aviation has grown spectacularly and will continue to do so. And that has to be taken into account.”

Airspace restrictions also force airlines to fly longer distances on some routes, said Liu Jieyin, executive vice president at closely-held Okay Airways Co., which operates flights between cities including Tianjin, Hangzhou and Sanya.

Military Drills
“This is still better than before when we had to wait on ground for hours for the completion of military drills,” Liu said. “We couldn’t take proactive measures as we wouldn’t know drills until the last minute and couldn’t tell passengers the real reason either.”

Air China (753), Asia’s biggest carrier by market value, will receive 113 aircraft in the next three years, according to a company statement. China Eastern will add 93 planes in two years while China Southern will have 67 additions this year, the carriers have said.

‘Tomorrow’s growth will further pressure the system,’’ said Will Horton, a Hong Kong-based analyst at CAPA Centre for Aviation, which advises airlines. “While reforms are gradually being made, the military seems impervious to the government’s wish for more airspace.”

While carriers await the easing of airspace rules, the nation is expanding its airport infrastructure. Beijing has won approval for its new facility with an investment of more than 70 billion yuan ($11 billion), Beijing News reported in January. The country targets to have 260 airports by 2020 from 183 at present.

“The emergence of a rapidly growing middle-class with aspirations to travel, along with record levels of urbanization and continued growth in business, has created a pressing need for better aviation infrastructure across China,” said Will Lau, an aviation consultant with EC Harris (Hong Kong) Ltd. Still, “the physical assets on the ground will not effectively respond to the passenger demand unless additional capacity is also made available in the skies above.”


到2020年民机数量要到4200架翻番,现在准点率74.5%霉国82%,是空军和ZF部门一样不愿放权还是训练水平差还是啥?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20 ... litary-control.html

China’s skies don’t have enough space.

The country’s air force controls airspace and allots only 20 percent to civil aviation. With China’s three biggest airlines planning to add at least 273 planes in the next three years, traffic congestion that already delays 25 percent of flights is set to worsen.

Enlarge image China Air Traffic Congestion Worsened by Military Restrictions  
China Air Traffic Congestion Worsened by Military Restrictions China Air Traffic Congestion Worsened by Military Restrictions  Nelson Ching/Bloomberg
Exhaust emits from a jet-engine on an Air China Ltd. airplane burning a mixture of jet fuel and bio-liquid fuel at Beijing Capital International Airport in Beijing. China’s air force, which has controlled the airspace since the People’s Republic was established in 1949, has started gradually relaxing some of the curbs.

Exhaust emits from a jet-engine on an Air China Ltd. airplane burning a mixture of jet fuel and bio-liquid fuel at Beijing Capital International Airport in Beijing. China’s air force, which has controlled the airspace since the People’s Republic was established in 1949, has started gradually relaxing some of the curbs. Photographer: Nelson Ching/Bloomberg
“At present, the limited airspace resource has restricted the development of civil aviation,” said Li Jiaxiang, the head of Civil Aviation Administration of China. “We will strive to further open up the airspace,” he said in Beijing yesterday.

Air China Ltd. (601111), China Eastern (670) Airlines Corp. and China Southern Airlines Co. (1055) have expanded their fleet as economic growth spurs air travel demand in the world’s most populous nation. The country is expected to have 4,200 commercial aircraft in 2020, compared with the current fleet size of 2,001 with 46 airlines, CAAC’s Li said.

China’s civil aviation uses about a fifth of available routes of the nation’s total airspace, Shi Boli, who heads the department of Air Transportation Regulation at CAAC, said in an interview. Military controls about 52 percent of airspace in eastern China, home to the country’s biggest cities of Beijing and Shanghai, according to a 2011 June report by the official China News Service.

“We are working hard and the military is also trying to improve the management of airspace,” Shi said. “But, it could take some time to achieve some improvement.”

U.S. Airspace
In the U.S., military restrictions don’t have much impact on civilian aviation because its airways tend to be located in desert regions or over oceans, far away from the busy airport hubs in cities such as New York, said Kevin Hiatt, president of Alexandria, Virginia-based Flight Safety Foundation. The military has also allowed its airspace to be used by civilian flights on some occasions such as busy holiday periods, he said.

Airspace over Europe is managed as a single unit and segregated on a “dynamic basis according to the needs of users,” air traffic supervisory agency Eurocontrol said. In general, areas will only be reserved for military use at certain times and at certain altitudes, it said in an e-mail.

The on-time performance rate of China’s airlines was about 74.5 percent last year, CAAC’s Shi said. In the U.S., 82 percent of the flights arrived on time in 2012, according to Bureau of Transportation statistics.
‘New Leadership’
“People are hoping that the country’s new leadership can have a breakthrough in getting more airspace released to accommodate the rapid growth,” said Kelvin Lau, a Hong Kong-based analyst at Daiwa Securities Group Inc. “Otherwise, delays will persist and hurt the airlines’ long term growth prospects.”

China’s air force, which has controlled the airspace since the People’s Republic was established in 1949, has started gradually relaxing some of the curbs. It has begun to open low-altitude airspace and released more information about the availability of temporary routes, the Official Xinhua News Agency reported in August.

Still, the pace isn’t quick enough to catch up with the airlines’ growth as the number of annual passengers has more than doubled in the past seven years, said David Wei, an aerospace analyst with Shanghai Securities Co.

‘Historical Reasons’
“The military has a bigger say in China’s airspace usage for historical reasons,” Wei said. “It has no incentive to concede the right unless the government wants it to.”

Four calls to the press office of China’s Ministry of National Defense went unanswered today. Questions faxed to the office also didn’t receive an immediate reply.

Airspace congestion is severe in main locations around China’s big hubs, according to Andrew Herdman, director-general of the Kuala Lumpur-based Association of Asia Pacific Airlines.

“You need flexibility. The military need access to airspace but not all the time,” Herdman said. “The big reality is that civil aviation has grown spectacularly and will continue to do so. And that has to be taken into account.”

Airspace restrictions also force airlines to fly longer distances on some routes, said Liu Jieyin, executive vice president at closely-held Okay Airways Co., which operates flights between cities including Tianjin, Hangzhou and Sanya.

Military Drills
“This is still better than before when we had to wait on ground for hours for the completion of military drills,” Liu said. “We couldn’t take proactive measures as we wouldn’t know drills until the last minute and couldn’t tell passengers the real reason either.”

Air China (753), Asia’s biggest carrier by market value, will receive 113 aircraft in the next three years, according to a company statement. China Eastern will add 93 planes in two years while China Southern will have 67 additions this year, the carriers have said.

‘Tomorrow’s growth will further pressure the system,’’ said Will Horton, a Hong Kong-based analyst at CAPA Centre for Aviation, which advises airlines. “While reforms are gradually being made, the military seems impervious to the government’s wish for more airspace.”

While carriers await the easing of airspace rules, the nation is expanding its airport infrastructure. Beijing has won approval for its new facility with an investment of more than 70 billion yuan ($11 billion), Beijing News reported in January. The country targets to have 260 airports by 2020 from 183 at present.

“The emergence of a rapidly growing middle-class with aspirations to travel, along with record levels of urbanization and continued growth in business, has created a pressing need for better aviation infrastructure across China,” said Will Lau, an aviation consultant with EC Harris (Hong Kong) Ltd. Still, “the physical assets on the ground will not effectively respond to the passenger demand unless additional capacity is also made available in the skies above.”

训练水平和谁控制空域管制有半毛钱关系?
抛开了你 我躲在三万英尺的距离
当一群饥渴的妹纸如狼似虎的盯着你的时候,你就不得不花更多力气制服她们,而不是好整以暇地看苍老师自撸
3楼4楼看得我一头雾水
同意5楼,还以为只有我理解能力有限,什么黑话啊{:soso_e127:}
3楼4楼说的都是些什么啊。。。。
老美那个准点率真扯,美系航管,动不动就取消航班。因为他们班次多,大不了改下一趟。最近有个扯淡的事情。国会扯翻,预算自动削减之后,大量空管人员被迫放假回家。议员老爷们也不管屌丝叫不叫。直到国会也要放假休息了,老爷们一看不好——自己去度假的航班也被取消了。于是以史无前例的效率紧急授权、拨款,召回航管人员。其急切,到了最后通过的正式文书有一段是手写的。
我昨天深圳飞北京的航班,就接到由于军事行动的原因,飞机不能从北京起飞。军训重要,但一定要在主要航道上?能否在人烟稀少的地方训练?
中国这么大的面积,20%不少了。
gundam48 发表于 2013-5-22 10:51
3楼4楼说的都是些什么啊。。。。
4楼的意思大概是外部环境还很复杂,只能优先照顾空军,民航的覆盖率自然就低了(民航发展被滞后了)
3楼的意思大概是说空域控制不足可能和高度有关
好吧,3、4楼亮了。。。。
没有严格管制,美式911即刻会出现。

我昨天深圳飞北京的航班,就接到由于军事行动的原因,飞机不能从北京起飞。军训重要,但一定要在主要航道上 ...
天朝除了新疆西藏,哪还有人烟稀少的地方
看着三楼和四楼,深感现在CD黑话太深奥了,
有次老瓦出港,航道管制,某些人轮渡班次被推迟,当即就发微博BB什么话来着?也差不多一个意思
2q 发表于 2013-5-22 10:58
我昨天深圳飞北京的航班,就接到由于军事行动的原因,飞机不能从北京起飞。军训重要,但一定要在主要航道上 ...
军人也是人,换了你你愿意去人烟稀少的地方呆着?更何况空军不是陆军义务兵,当2年兵就复原了。把空军都弄到人烟稀少的地方去了,你给解决找对象,配偶就业,子女上学问题?
2q 发表于 2013-5-22 10:58
我昨天深圳飞北京的航班,就接到由于军事行动的原因,飞机不能从北京起飞。军训重要,但一定要在主要航道上 ...
中国只要能住人的地方都不会人烟稀少。
民航发展差,如果民航是向中石油那样赚钱。。。
superxj46 发表于 2013-5-22 11:12
天朝除了新疆西藏,哪还有人烟稀少的地方
中国只要不是沙漠和隔壁,都不会人烟稀少,乌鲁木齐人还少么?
5楼说的极妙。我到现在还没看懂3楼4楼说的什么意思,是想说美国佬在外围一直死盯着么?
中国有人的地方就没有人烟稀少的
来为国内民航叫冤的人,省省吧
国内人多地少,航运经济效益低下,现有航线已经差不多了,接下来应该大力发展高铁才对。
把空军都逼到荒郊野外,高原山岗,下次谁来保卫我们头上这片天?
老美那个准点率真扯,美系航管,动不动就取消航班。因为他们班次多,大不了改下一趟。最近有个扯淡的事情。 ...
啧啧,这才是真权贵。


在畅谈发这个,只能得到一个结果:那就是无条件支持军方。这是“政治”正确。再敢多说两句,你就是居心叵测的带路党。
当然,自己坐飞机被耽误的时候是另外一回事。红小兵们政治和生活历来是分开的,和司马 南教授一个意思。


在畅谈发这个,只能得到一个结果:那就是无条件支持军方。这是“政治”正确。再敢多说两句,你就是居心叵测的带路党。
当然,自己坐飞机被耽误的时候是另外一回事。红小兵们政治和生活历来是分开的,和司马 南教授一个意思。
我昨天深圳飞北京的航班,就接到由于军事行动的原因,飞机不能从北京起飞。军训重要,但一定要在主要航道上 ...
中国的防空重点区域就在人口稠密区,军用机场都搬到西北的话,东南谁来保护?
4楼的意思大概是外部环境还很复杂,只能优先照顾空军,民航的覆盖率自然就低了(民航发展被滞后了) 3楼 ...
拜一下你强悍的密码破译能力!
利益问题而已

powerzaurus 发表于 2013-5-22 11:25 在畅谈发这个,只能得到一个结果:那就是无条件支持军方。这是“政治”正确。再敢多说两句,你就是居心叵测 ...

我支持军方没错,但是我在自己的方便受到阻碍的时候同样支持。
不要把别人都想成精神分裂,你这算是扣帽子么?
powerzaurus 发表于 2013-5-22 11:25 在畅谈发这个,只能得到一个结果:那就是无条件支持军方。这是“政治”正确。再敢多说两句,你就是居心叵测 ...

我支持军方没错,但是我在自己的方便受到阻碍的时候同样支持。
不要把别人都想成精神分裂,你这算是扣帽子么?
我是来膜拜3、4的,虽不明但觉厉
2q 发表于 2013-5-22 10:58
我昨天深圳飞北京的航班,就接到由于军事行动的原因,飞机不能从北京起飞。军训重要,但一定要在主要航道上 ...
实话说以前空军训练基地那些地方几乎都是荒无人烟的,谁能想到现在中国发展的这么快......
powerzaurus 发表于 2013-5-22 11:25
在畅谈发这个,只能得到一个结果:那就是无条件支持军方。这是“政治”正确。再敢多说两句,你就是居心叵测 ...
众人皆醉你独醒,就自己清醒去呗
大小企鹅 发表于 2013-5-22 11:23
来为国内民航叫冤的人,省省吧
国内人多地少,航运经济效益低下,现有航线已经差不多了,接下来应该大力发 ...
其实并不矛盾,能协调好空军 肯定能同时协调好民航,中国人多又不代表天上飞的飞机多,民航现在发展差没人管,如果以后发展起来了 自然有人去协调
怕就怕是真的没协调能力。。那打仗就要掉飞机了。
4楼的意思大概是外部环境还很复杂,只能优先照顾空军,民航的覆盖率自然就低了(民航发展被滞后了)
3楼 ...
啊,多谢兄弟解疑。
看到各种无条件支持空军的就想笑,典型占着茅坑不拉屎,天气好空军自然就出来了,天气不好,民航还讲个预判,分析天气,争取正常率。空军见着点天气直接就趴窝了~我都不跟你提夜航,部队搞次夜航训练都能上新闻。民航夜航也算事?
如果多开几条航线在支持解禁者居住的房屋上空经过,我没啥意见!
4楼的意思大概是外部环境还很复杂,只能优先照顾空军,民航的覆盖率自然就低了(民航发展被滞后了)
3楼 ...
如果真是这意思,你这理解能力可真不一般,我反正是完全看不懂想表达什么。。。
WillSiegKane 发表于 2013-5-22 11:32
我支持军方没错,但是我在自己的方便受到阻碍的时候同样支持。
不要把别人都想成精神分裂,你这算是扣帽子 ...
你不觉得他也是在用斗争的方式说别人么 哈哈
李家坡空军水平最高,因为占用本国空域为0
小心心语 发表于 2013-5-22 12:00
看到各种无条件支持空军的就想笑,典型占着茅坑不拉屎,天气好空军自然就出来了,天气不好,民航还讲个预判 ...

见着点天气直接就趴窝了,原来我见着的不是中国空军。
夜航训练=夜航。
我朋友几乎每天晚上都要听着军机呼啸而过,怎么不每天来报道下啊。