【译文-中文】外籍人士可以加入中国解放军么？ （转载）

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【原文-加拿大】Could non-chinese join PLA?【原文地址】：http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/army/could-non-chinese-join-pla-4639.html
【发布日期】：2009-8-18
【翻译截止日期】：2010-12-22 02:55:32
【翻译评论数/总评论】：30+ / 100+
【翻译作者】：A⺌ville
【联⺌名作者】：
　　译文导读：这次是友情翻译，接的是日语小翻浅浅的活儿（大家都搞副业），有3年时间没再怎么碰过英语的我，肯定翻译的不利索，在此恳⺌请各位英语达人不吝赐教，有错直接往我脸上砸，没事的。
这是一位15岁的芬兰热血少年为加入中国人⺌民解⺌放军而发的帖子，一步步翻下来，最大的感触是，不懂不要紧，千万不要装⺌⺌B，否则真正的牛人出现，会让你难堪的。帖文中，bd popeye就是这样一个反面教材。另外，帖子回复的不激动，不上火，不冲动，不问候别人老祖⺌宗的理性风格也值得我们大家学习，有则改之，无则加勉。
Could non-chinese join PLA?
外籍人⺌士可以加入中国解⺌放军么？
PLA Soldier（楼主）
As seen in topic, my porblem is that I wish to know would it be possible for non-chinese citizen to join PLÀ? This not a joke, I´m talking dead-serious about this.
如题，我想知道非中国公⺌民加入解⺌放军是否可能？大家别笑，我是认真的。
TOP↑评论翻译
bd popeye
In my short 5 year study study of the PLA the answer is no
The answer can be found in this link below.
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanA⺌vy.pdf
Before you make any more post in the forum I suggest you read the forum rul⺌es.
FORUM RUl⺌es: Things to Remember Before Posting, important, please read!
Thank you and welcome to the forum!
由我五年来对PLA的研究来看，答⺌案是否定的。
你可以看看下面的链接，其中有你要找的答⺌案:
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanA⺌vy.pdf(米国人的出⺌台的中国海军报告，有时间可以去看看)
另外，请你以后发帖前先读读本站版规：
FORUM RUl⺌es: Things to Remember Before Posting, important, please read!
谢谢，欢迎来到本论坛！
PLA Soldier
Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?
多谢你的回复，但是，如果我放弃原来的国籍，加入中国国籍呢，有可能吗？
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?
Nope..Someone asked that question previously..several years ago in fact. Perhaps in this thread or in theold ez board
days of 5 years ago.
You hA⺌ve to be Chinese citizen of the Peopl⺌es Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.
You >>> PLA soldier
Let's see as near as I figure you live in Finland and are only 15 years old according to your profile. So in most countries you hA⺌ve to be 17 or 18 to join the military. So just wait until then.
还是不行啦，有人最近问过和你一样的问题……好吧，是几年⺌前，也许是五年⺌前，当时这个论坛的版本可能还处于ezboard（公告板）时代吧。
你首先必须生为中⺌华人⺌民共⺌和国的公⺌民，才有资格加入解⺌放军，其他一切免谈。
你，解⺌放军战士，两者无缘，放弃吧，还是加入你自己国⺌家的军⺌队吧，这才是王⺌道。
五分钟后重新编辑……
进一步说吧，由你的资料，我猜你住在芬兰吧，15岁，在大多数国⺌家，法定参军年龄大概在17到18岁，所以，你还是再喝几年奶看看吧。
Finn McCool
There's always the Legion Etrangere
总是有外籍军团存在滴。
Damingli85
What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?
如果一个中国人先换成美国国籍，然后又恢复中国国籍呢？
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damingli85 [/url]
What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?
Nope
还是不行。
Quote:
You hA⺌ve to be Chinese citizen of the Peopl⺌es Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.
I should hA⺌ve stated a natural born Chinese citizen.
我的意思是你必须是一个土生土长的中国人。
[url=http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/members/hksdu.html]HKSDU
answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA
连香⺌港和澳⺌门的年轻人都不让加入解⺌放军呢。（ID显示应为香⺌港⺌人）
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSDU
answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA
Thank you! No Ti⺌betans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You hA⺌ve to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
多谢啦，西⺌藏⺌人不行，蒙古人不行，这些生活在中国西部省份的或者其他地方的非中原人种都不行（？），更何况是外国人？
你必须是一个土生土长的中国人，讨论到此为止。
backwindow
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Ti⺌betans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You hA⺌ve to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
Ti⺌betans & Mongolians & Uyghurs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.
解⺌放军中是有西⺌藏⺌人，蒙古人，维⺌族人在服役的，如果他们是中国公⺌民。
lcloo
I was working in China, and I watched CCTV7 regularly. There was a Uyghu girl in PLA medical unit going round villages giving health aid. I remember she was an officer but I forgot her rank.
There are also many non-Han PLA soldiers in Inner Mongolia and Guangxi provinces. Zhuan people in Guangxi are non-Han Chinese.
我曾在中国工作过，时常看CCTV7军事频道，里面看到过一个维⺌族医护兵女孩在给一些村落的人们提供医疗救助，我记得她是个军官，但忘了是什么军衔了。
的确有很多非汉⺌族士兵在内⺌蒙⺌古和广西服役的，广西的壮族就不是汉⺌族人。
Damingli85
But I was born in China! I just got my citizenship here for college .
可我以前就出生在中国啊！我只是为了上大学才换成现在的国籍。（这个华人后悔换国籍了）
backwindow
Although people from Hong Kong and Macau are legally Chinese citizen, they do hA⺌ve different passport.
尽管香⺌港⺌人和澳⺌门人都是中国公⺌民，可他们却有着（跟大⺌陆）不同的护照。
kw6⺌4
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Ti⺌betans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You hA⺌ve to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
Sorry but this claim is not true, it's not unusual for Chinese minorities to serve in PLA:
很抱歉的说，bd popeye你的说法是不对的，中国少数民⺌族去参军的情况很常见啊。
Here's an example of an Uygur officer:
下面就是一位维⺌族军官的例子：
http://www.gmw.cn/CONTENT/2009-07/25/content_95356⺌4.htm
And a Ti⺌betan officer:
而这是一位藏族军官：
http://military.people.com.cn/GB/107...3/7062275.html
tres
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Ti⺌betans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You hA⺌ve to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
That's not true. In the history of PLA, there were many people from other countries, including USA, Canada, and India joined PLA. In fact t⺌wo of the most famous WWII era military doctors were Canadian and Indian.
bd popeye 你说的不对，在解⺌放军历⺌史上，有很多人是来自外国的，包括米国，加拿大，印度等，实际上，（中国）抗日战争中最出名的两位军医，一个来自加拿大，一个来自印度。
Today you could see Ti⺌betan, Mongolian, Korean and Urger soldiers in uniforms in different ranks.
如今，你可以找到很多军衔不一的藏族，蒙古族，维⺌族的士兵。
bball2k
Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Ti⺌betans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on Yоutube. Some are serving in the Ti⺌betan areas and some outside. Uyghurs hA⺌ve been shown also.
According to wik1, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and P⺌arty secretary of the PLA so it's not like ethnic minorities can't rise to high ranks either.
恩，蛮有趣的，你们从哪听说非汉⺌族人不能加入解⺌放军的？ CCTV7几个月前刚刚播过一期有关藏族士兵的节目，一些在西⺌藏执勤，一些则在其他地方，关于维⺌族士兵，也早就播过了。
根据维⺌基百科资料，一个名叫赵南起（Cho Namgi）朝⺌鲜族人，官至3星上将（1988年），当过军⺌队指战员，党⺌委书⺌记，所以说少数民⺌族将领晋升受到限⺌制的说法也不成⺌立。
bd popeye
Quote:
Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Ti⺌betans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on Yоutube. Some are serving in the Ti⺌betan areas and some outside. Uyghurs hA⺌ve been shown also.
According to wik1, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and P⺌arty secretary of the PLA so it's not like ethnic minorities can't rise to high ranks either.
and...
Quote:
Originally Posted by backwindow
Ti⺌betans & Mongolians & Uyghurs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.
http://pic.itiexue.net/pics/2009_4_6_6⺌9463_906⺌9463.jpg
Ooppss my bad  Thanks for that information! I was unaware of that.
看来我错了，多谢指教，我以前还不知道呢。
第一阶段讨论结束。
PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I hA⺌ve question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peopl⺌es Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
谢谢所有回复的人，现在我的新问题来了：如果我现在搬到中国去住，然后获得中国国籍，那我再参军有戏吗？（这哥们怎么那么想参加解⺌放军啊？）
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I hA⺌ve question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peopl⺌es Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don't think so.
至少就我看来，不行。不过也有可能我错了，但这种情况微乎其微。（变得谦虚了……..一点）
Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...
问你个问题，在我们的论坛和姐妹网站sinodefence.com上面，有那么多的解⺌放军照片，可能成千上万张…
Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA hA⺌ve you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.
鉴于你来自芬兰，请问你是白人吗？我就臆断如此吧，那么请你翻翻看这些照片，你能找出一张，就一张，上面的解⺌放军战士是穿着制⺌服的白人吗？有过吗？我只是问一下。
PLA Soldier
Yes, I´m white western, and yes, I hA⺌ve never seen any white people in PLA uniform. That is the reason why I´m asking this from you.
是的，我是西方白人，我也承认，我从未见到有白人穿着解⺌放军的制⺌服服役，可这也是我向你问这个问题的原因。
HKSDU
Ti⺌betans, Mongolians & Uyghurs are all still classfied as being ruled under the PRC and in the end still Chinese, while Macau and Hong Kong are not. Your not gonna be in the PLA if your not born in the country unl⺌ess your a spy. Which is always the case.
藏族人，蒙古人，维⺌族人一直被认为处于中国的统⺌治之下，但他们到底还是中国（大⺌陆）人，但对香⺌港⺌人，澳⺌门人而言就不同了，不出生在中国大⺌陆，想进解⺌放军？门都没有，除非你是个间谍。事情一直以来都是这样的。
lcloo
From my observation while in China, I hA⺌ve noticed that,
以我在中国观察的经历，曾经注意到一下的事情：
The recruitment exercise starts with a large red banner hung up by local village or town government. At the same time local TV will broadcast the time, place, age and document requirements. (In Shenzhen, almost every town has its own TV broadcasting control).
征兵事宜一般被当地村镇政⺌府大事操办，会悬挂红色的横⺌幅来进行宣⺌传，本地电视台会广播征兵时间，地点，所需准备的材料。（在深圳，几乎每个村镇都有自己的闭路广播电视）
I only witnessed one recruitment exercise in the same village which I stayed for 7 years. I could hA⺌ve missed a few though. Also, may be because the PLA was cutting down its size during those years, so l⺌ess recruitments.
我在我待过7年的小集镇只目睹过一次这样的征兵行动，很可能我错过了一些吧。但也有可能是因为这些年解⺌放军一直在执行裁军政策吧，所以征兵次数减少也理所当然。
An important documrnt is Residence Card 户口issued by Public Security Bureau. Only mainland Chinese citizens hA⺌ve this document, Hongkong and Macau people don't hA⺌ve this as they are ruled under different laws. Without this residence card, you hA⺌ve no way of getting in PLA. (Residence card is not ID card, fake ID cards were easy to get but not residence cards).
（应征）的一个很重要的材料是你的户口本，由公⺌安局颁发，只有大⺌陆人才有这样的本本，香⺌港⺌人，澳⺌门人没有，因为一⺌国⺌两⺌制嘛。没有这个小本子，你是无论如何也参不了军的。（户口本不是身⺌份⺌证，假的身⺌份⺌证容易搞，可你搞个假户口本试试看？）
Interview was in collaboration with local town government. I think they want to acertain the personal information and check for crime records, and also priority will be given to member of cоmmunist P⺌arty.
征兵也离不开本地政⺌府的协助，我认为他们是想借此确认应征人员的个人信息，检⺌查是否曾有过犯罪记录，当然，中⺌共⺌党⺌员有被优先招募的权⺌利。
kw6⺌4
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don't think so.
Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...
Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA hA⺌ve you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I hA⺌ve question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peopl⺌es Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
Popeye:
I would say that's an underinformed conclusion, partially because the white/black Chinese population is relatively SΜall, so you don't see them in photo ops very often...
对Popeye说:
我得说，你的说法有欠推敲，（找不到白人解⺌放军战士）的原因，一部分是因为黑或白种中国人的比例在中国人口里相对较低，你看不到是很正常的
I'd suggest you to read the latest revised Chinese law regarding military service, in Cha⺌pter 1, section 3: http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm
我建议你读一读最新修订的中国解⺌放军服役法，在第一章，第3节。
http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm
It states "All Chinese citizen, regardl⺌ess of ethnicity, race, occupation, family background, or degree of education, hA⺌ve the full right to serve in the military."
指出：凡中国公⺌民，不管其种⺌族，族群，职业，家庭背⺌景，或教育程度，都享有到军⺌队服役的权⺌利。
PLA did hA⺌ve t⺌wo ethnic Russians serving as 1-star generals in the army back in the 60s:
http://www.360doc.com/content/090716...1_4302019.html
回溯至60年代，解⺌放军里确实有两名俄罗斯裔的一星将军在役。
Here's some other exampl⺌es of PLA soldier of Russian descent:
这里有几个其他俄罗斯后裔解⺌放军战士的照片：
  

PLA Soldier:
对PLA Soldier说：
Yes, as what I said above, you can join PLA if you become a Chinese citizen. If ethnically Russian Chinese can join the PLA, I'm pretty sure an ethnically Finn Chinese can do the same. Plus it's all in their consititution.
是的，我刚才讲过，你可以在成为一名中国公⺌民之后加入中国人⺌民解⺌放军，如果连俄罗斯裔的中国人都可以加入，我敢写包票，一个芬兰裔的中国人也可以做到，更何况这都是在他们的宪⺌法里明⺌明⺌白⺌白写清楚了的。
Hope this helps!
希望能帮到你！
bd popeye
Thanks for clearing this subject up kw6⺌4.
Looks like I was wrong on several accounts.
Thanks again for the correction.
多谢KW6⺌4，把这个问题说清楚了。
看来，我的解释有很多漏洞啊，再次感谢更正。
Violet Oboe
For more than 10 years after Hong Kong's reintegration there was a law in effect that actually prohibited service in PLA for citizens of HKSAR. However in late 2007 the law was modified and the regulatory statutes now explicitly stipulate that every legal HKSAR citizen may serve in PLA.
香⺌港回归超过10年以来，事实上曾经有部法律是禁止香⺌港特别行政区的公⺌民在解⺌放军中服役的，但是在2007年末，该法案被修订，现在的条文明确规定，凡合法香⺌港特别行政区公⺌民均有权服役解⺌放军。
Interestingly there were already rumors for some years that a number of Hong Kong people had served in PLA and possibly the Mainland never took HK's legislation seriously but of course the whole thing was only a placebo for mitigating irrational fears of HK citizens about PLA recruiting arbitrarily in HKSAR.
有意思的是，多年以来一直有这样的传闻：有一些香⺌港⺌人已经在军中服过役了，可能是因为大⺌陆从未认真对待香⺌港的法制规定吧。不过，这整件事只是一针减缓恐惧的安慰剂罢了，因为一直以来，香⺌港⺌人对解⺌放军“专横”招募香⺌港居民参军怀有莫名的忧虑。
Damingli85
Nice, since I was born in China and I am biologically Chinese, I could just throw away my US citizenship and join the PLA. But then, Good Iron does not become a nail, and a good man does not become a soldier.
不错，因为我出生在中国，我在血统上就是中国人，我可以扔掉我的米国护照，再加入中国人⺌民解⺌放军！可是，好铁不成钉，好男不当兵啊（这是哪门子的口谚啊）
Engineer
I'm more interested in joining their weapons R&D.
我对如何参与他们的武⺌器研发更感兴趣。
Finn McCool
I'm just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
我只是好奇，为何所有的这些少数族裔的中国人（或者看上去连中国人都不是）这么急切的想加入解⺌放军呢？
PLA Soldier
Quote:
Originally Posted by kw6⺌4
Popeye:
I would say that's an underinformed conclusion, partially because the white/black Chinese population is relatively SΜall, so you don't see them in photo ops very often...
I'd suggest you to read the latest revised Chinese law regarding military service, in Cha⺌pter 1, section 3: ??????????????
It states "All Chinese citizen, regardl⺌ess of ethnicity, race, occupation, family background, or degree of education, hA⺌ve the full right to serve in the military."
PLA did hA⺌ve t⺌wo ethnic Russians serving as 1-star generals in the army back in the 60s:
Here's some other exampl⺌es of PLA soldier of Russian descent:
http://i1.hk/u/attachments/day_09042...JKb5K9sIcr.jpg
PLA Soldier:
Yes, as what I said above, you can join PLA if you become a Chinese citizen. If ethnically Russian Chinese can join the PLA, I'm pretty sure an ethnically Finn Chinese can do the same. Plus it's all in their consititution.
Hope this helps!
YES!!!! It really does help me! Thank you very much! Seems like that I hA⺌ve to douple my efforts in my studies of chinese lanquage.
太感谢了！！！！确实太有用了，现在我应该怀疑我在学习中文上所下的功夫了。
第二部分讨论结束，迄今为止，大家理性讨论，楼基正正的。
vladimir1918
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn McCool
I'm just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
Because they hate freedom!
因为他们讨厌自⺌由！
The answer is very simple. The ethnic Chinese youth you meet on this forum are interesting in PLA, if they want to join other countries army they will not be on this forum.
I bet you can find táiwan people with dual citizenship who want to join the ROC Amry in some táiwan military forum.
答⺌案很简单，在这个论坛上你遇到的少数民⺌族的中国年轻人，都对加入解⺌放军感兴趣，如果他们想加入别的国⺌家的军⺌队，他们就不会在这个帖子下面留言了。
跟你赌吧，可以拥有双重国籍，并且想加入中⺌华民国的军⺌队的台⺌湾人，你可以在台⺌湾的军事论坛里一抓一大把。
feifei
according to some report published in chinese froum,some divisions,which had serviced in the fouth Field Army of PLA, raised many koreas in the War of Liberatio. and then these koreas came the Korean War.
根据一些在中国论坛上公布的报告，解⺌放军第四野⺌战军旗下的一些部⺌队在解⺌放战争期间曾征募了很多的朝⺌鲜裔人，之后的韩战（抗美援朝），是这些人奔赴到前线参战的。
PLA Soldier
kw6⺌4, thank you very much! Your information has been most usefull this far.
KW6⺌4，多谢你了！你提供的信息目前最有用了！
kw6⺌4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn McCool
I'm just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
Well there are plenty of foreign nationals in the U.S. military and French Military, so I guess it's not completely unusual wanting to join some other nation's military.
话说回来，在米国和法⺌国军⺌队里面都有很多外国裔战士啊，所以我想，这种想参加别的国⺌家的军⺌队的想法并不是完全不可理喻的。

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http://www.ptfcn.com/ptfcn/s/121.html

【原文-加拿大】Could non-chinese join PLA?【原文地址】：http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/army/could-non-chinese-join-pla-4639.html
【发布日期】：2009-8-18
【翻译截止日期】：2010-12-22 02:55:32
【翻译评论数/总评论】：30+ / 100+
【翻译作者】：A⺌ville
【联⺌名作者】：
　　译文导读：这次是友情翻译，接的是日语小翻浅浅的活儿（大家都搞副业），有3年时间没再怎么碰过英语的我，肯定翻译的不利索，在此恳⺌请各位英语达人不吝赐教，有错直接往我脸上砸，没事的。
这是一位15岁的芬兰热血少年为加入中国人⺌民解⺌放军而发的帖子，一步步翻下来，最大的感触是，不懂不要紧，千万不要装⺌⺌B，否则真正的牛人出现，会让你难堪的。帖文中，bd popeye就是这样一个反面教材。另外，帖子回复的不激动，不上火，不冲动，不问候别人老祖⺌宗的理性风格也值得我们大家学习，有则改之，无则加勉。
Could non-chinese join PLA?
外籍人⺌士可以加入中国解⺌放军么？
PLA Soldier（楼主）
As seen in topic, my porblem is that I wish to know would it be possible for non-chinese citizen to join PLÀ? This not a joke, I´m talking dead-serious about this.
如题，我想知道非中国公⺌民加入解⺌放军是否可能？大家别笑，我是认真的。
TOP↑评论翻译
bd popeye
In my short 5 year study study of the PLA the answer is no
The answer can be found in this link below.
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanA⺌vy.pdf
Before you make any more post in the forum I suggest you read the forum rul⺌es.
FORUM RUl⺌es: Things to Remember Before Posting, important, please read!
Thank you and welcome to the forum!
由我五年来对PLA的研究来看，答⺌案是否定的。
你可以看看下面的链接，其中有你要找的答⺌案:
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanA⺌vy.pdf(米国人的出⺌台的中国海军报告，有时间可以去看看)
另外，请你以后发帖前先读读本站版规：
FORUM RUl⺌es: Things to Remember Before Posting, important, please read!
谢谢，欢迎来到本论坛！
PLA Soldier
Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?
多谢你的回复，但是，如果我放弃原来的国籍，加入中国国籍呢，有可能吗？
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?
Nope..Someone asked that question previously..several years ago in fact. Perhaps in this thread or in theold ez board
days of 5 years ago.
You hA⺌ve to be Chinese citizen of the Peopl⺌es Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.
You >>> PLA soldier
Let's see as near as I figure you live in Finland and are only 15 years old according to your profile. So in most countries you hA⺌ve to be 17 or 18 to join the military. So just wait until then.
还是不行啦，有人最近问过和你一样的问题……好吧，是几年⺌前，也许是五年⺌前，当时这个论坛的版本可能还处于ezboard（公告板）时代吧。
你首先必须生为中⺌华人⺌民共⺌和国的公⺌民，才有资格加入解⺌放军，其他一切免谈。
你，解⺌放军战士，两者无缘，放弃吧，还是加入你自己国⺌家的军⺌队吧，这才是王⺌道。
五分钟后重新编辑……
进一步说吧，由你的资料，我猜你住在芬兰吧，15岁，在大多数国⺌家，法定参军年龄大概在17到18岁，所以，你还是再喝几年奶看看吧。
Finn McCool
There's always the Legion Etrangere
总是有外籍军团存在滴。
Damingli85
What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?
如果一个中国人先换成美国国籍，然后又恢复中国国籍呢？
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damingli85 [/url]
What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?
Nope
还是不行。
Quote:
You hA⺌ve to be Chinese citizen of the Peopl⺌es Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.
I should hA⺌ve stated a natural born Chinese citizen.
我的意思是你必须是一个土生土长的中国人。
[url=http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/members/hksdu.html]HKSDU
answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA
连香⺌港和澳⺌门的年轻人都不让加入解⺌放军呢。（ID显示应为香⺌港⺌人）
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSDU
answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA
Thank you! No Ti⺌betans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You hA⺌ve to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
多谢啦，西⺌藏⺌人不行，蒙古人不行，这些生活在中国西部省份的或者其他地方的非中原人种都不行（？），更何况是外国人？
你必须是一个土生土长的中国人，讨论到此为止。
backwindow
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Ti⺌betans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You hA⺌ve to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
Ti⺌betans & Mongolians & Uyghurs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.
解⺌放军中是有西⺌藏⺌人，蒙古人，维⺌族人在服役的，如果他们是中国公⺌民。
lcloo
I was working in China, and I watched CCTV7 regularly. There was a Uyghu girl in PLA medical unit going round villages giving health aid. I remember she was an officer but I forgot her rank.
There are also many non-Han PLA soldiers in Inner Mongolia and Guangxi provinces. Zhuan people in Guangxi are non-Han Chinese.
我曾在中国工作过，时常看CCTV7军事频道，里面看到过一个维⺌族医护兵女孩在给一些村落的人们提供医疗救助，我记得她是个军官，但忘了是什么军衔了。
的确有很多非汉⺌族士兵在内⺌蒙⺌古和广西服役的，广西的壮族就不是汉⺌族人。
Damingli85
But I was born in China! I just got my citizenship here for college .
可我以前就出生在中国啊！我只是为了上大学才换成现在的国籍。（这个华人后悔换国籍了）
backwindow
Although people from Hong Kong and Macau are legally Chinese citizen, they do hA⺌ve different passport.
尽管香⺌港⺌人和澳⺌门人都是中国公⺌民，可他们却有着（跟大⺌陆）不同的护照。
kw6⺌4
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Ti⺌betans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You hA⺌ve to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
Sorry but this claim is not true, it's not unusual for Chinese minorities to serve in PLA:
很抱歉的说，bd popeye你的说法是不对的，中国少数民⺌族去参军的情况很常见啊。
Here's an example of an Uygur officer:
下面就是一位维⺌族军官的例子：
http://www.gmw.cn/CONTENT/2009-07/25/content_95356⺌4.htm
And a Ti⺌betan officer:
而这是一位藏族军官：
http://military.people.com.cn/GB/107...3/7062275.html
tres
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Ti⺌betans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You hA⺌ve to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
That's not true. In the history of PLA, there were many people from other countries, including USA, Canada, and India joined PLA. In fact t⺌wo of the most famous WWII era military doctors were Canadian and Indian.
bd popeye 你说的不对，在解⺌放军历⺌史上，有很多人是来自外国的，包括米国，加拿大，印度等，实际上，（中国）抗日战争中最出名的两位军医，一个来自加拿大，一个来自印度。
Today you could see Ti⺌betan, Mongolian, Korean and Urger soldiers in uniforms in different ranks.
如今，你可以找到很多军衔不一的藏族，蒙古族，维⺌族的士兵。
bball2k
Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Ti⺌betans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on Yоutube. Some are serving in the Ti⺌betan areas and some outside. Uyghurs hA⺌ve been shown also.
According to wik1, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and P⺌arty secretary of the PLA so it's not like ethnic minorities can't rise to high ranks either.
恩，蛮有趣的，你们从哪听说非汉⺌族人不能加入解⺌放军的？ CCTV7几个月前刚刚播过一期有关藏族士兵的节目，一些在西⺌藏执勤，一些则在其他地方，关于维⺌族士兵，也早就播过了。
根据维⺌基百科资料，一个名叫赵南起（Cho Namgi）朝⺌鲜族人，官至3星上将（1988年），当过军⺌队指战员，党⺌委书⺌记，所以说少数民⺌族将领晋升受到限⺌制的说法也不成⺌立。
bd popeye
Quote:
Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Ti⺌betans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on Yоutube. Some are serving in the Ti⺌betan areas and some outside. Uyghurs hA⺌ve been shown also.
According to wik1, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and P⺌arty secretary of the PLA so it's not like ethnic minorities can't rise to high ranks either.
and...
Quote:
Originally Posted by backwindow
Ti⺌betans & Mongolians & Uyghurs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.
http://pic.itiexue.net/pics/2009_4_6_6⺌9463_906⺌9463.jpg
Ooppss my bad  Thanks for that information! I was unaware of that.
看来我错了，多谢指教，我以前还不知道呢。
第一阶段讨论结束。
PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I hA⺌ve question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peopl⺌es Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
谢谢所有回复的人，现在我的新问题来了：如果我现在搬到中国去住，然后获得中国国籍，那我再参军有戏吗？（这哥们怎么那么想参加解⺌放军啊？）
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I hA⺌ve question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peopl⺌es Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don't think so.
至少就我看来，不行。不过也有可能我错了，但这种情况微乎其微。（变得谦虚了……..一点）
Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...
问你个问题，在我们的论坛和姐妹网站sinodefence.com上面，有那么多的解⺌放军照片，可能成千上万张…
Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA hA⺌ve you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.
鉴于你来自芬兰，请问你是白人吗？我就臆断如此吧，那么请你翻翻看这些照片，你能找出一张，就一张，上面的解⺌放军战士是穿着制⺌服的白人吗？有过吗？我只是问一下。
PLA Soldier
Yes, I´m white western, and yes, I hA⺌ve never seen any white people in PLA uniform. That is the reason why I´m asking this from you.
是的，我是西方白人，我也承认，我从未见到有白人穿着解⺌放军的制⺌服服役，可这也是我向你问这个问题的原因。
HKSDU
Ti⺌betans, Mongolians & Uyghurs are all still classfied as being ruled under the PRC and in the end still Chinese, while Macau and Hong Kong are not. Your not gonna be in the PLA if your not born in the country unl⺌ess your a spy. Which is always the case.
藏族人，蒙古人，维⺌族人一直被认为处于中国的统⺌治之下，但他们到底还是中国（大⺌陆）人，但对香⺌港⺌人，澳⺌门人而言就不同了，不出生在中国大⺌陆，想进解⺌放军？门都没有，除非你是个间谍。事情一直以来都是这样的。
lcloo
From my observation while in China, I hA⺌ve noticed that,
以我在中国观察的经历，曾经注意到一下的事情：
The recruitment exercise starts with a large red banner hung up by local village or town government. At the same time local TV will broadcast the time, place, age and document requirements. (In Shenzhen, almost every town has its own TV broadcasting control).
征兵事宜一般被当地村镇政⺌府大事操办，会悬挂红色的横⺌幅来进行宣⺌传，本地电视台会广播征兵时间，地点，所需准备的材料。（在深圳，几乎每个村镇都有自己的闭路广播电视）
I only witnessed one recruitment exercise in the same village which I stayed for 7 years. I could hA⺌ve missed a few though. Also, may be because the PLA was cutting down its size during those years, so l⺌ess recruitments.
我在我待过7年的小集镇只目睹过一次这样的征兵行动，很可能我错过了一些吧。但也有可能是因为这些年解⺌放军一直在执行裁军政策吧，所以征兵次数减少也理所当然。
An important documrnt is Residence Card 户口issued by Public Security Bureau. Only mainland Chinese citizens hA⺌ve this document, Hongkong and Macau people don't hA⺌ve this as they are ruled under different laws. Without this residence card, you hA⺌ve no way of getting in PLA. (Residence card is not ID card, fake ID cards were easy to get but not residence cards).
（应征）的一个很重要的材料是你的户口本，由公⺌安局颁发，只有大⺌陆人才有这样的本本，香⺌港⺌人，澳⺌门人没有，因为一⺌国⺌两⺌制嘛。没有这个小本子，你是无论如何也参不了军的。（户口本不是身⺌份⺌证，假的身⺌份⺌证容易搞，可你搞个假户口本试试看？）
Interview was in collaboration with local town government. I think they want to acertain the personal information and check for crime records, and also priority will be given to member of cоmmunist P⺌arty.
征兵也离不开本地政⺌府的协助，我认为他们是想借此确认应征人员的个人信息，检⺌查是否曾有过犯罪记录，当然，中⺌共⺌党⺌员有被优先招募的权⺌利。
kw6⺌4
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don't think so.
Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...
Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA hA⺌ve you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I hA⺌ve question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peopl⺌es Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
Popeye:
I would say that's an underinformed conclusion, partially because the white/black Chinese population is relatively SΜall, so you don't see them in photo ops very often...
对Popeye说:
我得说，你的说法有欠推敲，（找不到白人解⺌放军战士）的原因，一部分是因为黑或白种中国人的比例在中国人口里相对较低，你看不到是很正常的
I'd suggest you to read the latest revised Chinese law regarding military service, in Cha⺌pter 1, section 3: http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm
我建议你读一读最新修订的中国解⺌放军服役法，在第一章，第3节。
http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm
It states "All Chinese citizen, regardl⺌ess of ethnicity, race, occupation, family background, or degree of education, hA⺌ve the full right to serve in the military."
指出：凡中国公⺌民，不管其种⺌族，族群，职业，家庭背⺌景，或教育程度，都享有到军⺌队服役的权⺌利。
PLA did hA⺌ve t⺌wo ethnic Russians serving as 1-star generals in the army back in the 60s:
http://www.360doc.com/content/090716...1_4302019.html
回溯至60年代，解⺌放军里确实有两名俄罗斯裔的一星将军在役。
Here's some other exampl⺌es of PLA soldier of Russian descent:
这里有几个其他俄罗斯后裔解⺌放军战士的照片：
  

PLA Soldier:
对PLA Soldier说：
Yes, as what I said above, you can join PLA if you become a Chinese citizen. If ethnically Russian Chinese can join the PLA, I'm pretty sure an ethnically Finn Chinese can do the same. Plus it's all in their consititution.
是的，我刚才讲过，你可以在成为一名中国公⺌民之后加入中国人⺌民解⺌放军，如果连俄罗斯裔的中国人都可以加入，我敢写包票，一个芬兰裔的中国人也可以做到，更何况这都是在他们的宪⺌法里明⺌明⺌白⺌白写清楚了的。
Hope this helps!
希望能帮到你！
bd popeye
Thanks for clearing this subject up kw6⺌4.
Looks like I was wrong on several accounts.
Thanks again for the correction.
多谢KW6⺌4，把这个问题说清楚了。
看来，我的解释有很多漏洞啊，再次感谢更正。
Violet Oboe
For more than 10 years after Hong Kong's reintegration there was a law in effect that actually prohibited service in PLA for citizens of HKSAR. However in late 2007 the law was modified and the regulatory statutes now explicitly stipulate that every legal HKSAR citizen may serve in PLA.
香⺌港回归超过10年以来，事实上曾经有部法律是禁止香⺌港特别行政区的公⺌民在解⺌放军中服役的，但是在2007年末，该法案被修订，现在的条文明确规定，凡合法香⺌港特别行政区公⺌民均有权服役解⺌放军。
Interestingly there were already rumors for some years that a number of Hong Kong people had served in PLA and possibly the Mainland never took HK's legislation seriously but of course the whole thing was only a placebo for mitigating irrational fears of HK citizens about PLA recruiting arbitrarily in HKSAR.
有意思的是，多年以来一直有这样的传闻：有一些香⺌港⺌人已经在军中服过役了，可能是因为大⺌陆从未认真对待香⺌港的法制规定吧。不过，这整件事只是一针减缓恐惧的安慰剂罢了，因为一直以来，香⺌港⺌人对解⺌放军“专横”招募香⺌港居民参军怀有莫名的忧虑。
Damingli85
Nice, since I was born in China and I am biologically Chinese, I could just throw away my US citizenship and join the PLA. But then, Good Iron does not become a nail, and a good man does not become a soldier.
不错，因为我出生在中国，我在血统上就是中国人，我可以扔掉我的米国护照，再加入中国人⺌民解⺌放军！可是，好铁不成钉，好男不当兵啊（这是哪门子的口谚啊）
Engineer
I'm more interested in joining their weapons R&D.
我对如何参与他们的武⺌器研发更感兴趣。
Finn McCool
I'm just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
我只是好奇，为何所有的这些少数族裔的中国人（或者看上去连中国人都不是）这么急切的想加入解⺌放军呢？
PLA Soldier
Quote:
Originally Posted by kw6⺌4
Popeye:
I would say that's an underinformed conclusion, partially because the white/black Chinese population is relatively SΜall, so you don't see them in photo ops very often...
I'd suggest you to read the latest revised Chinese law regarding military service, in Cha⺌pter 1, section 3: ??????????????
It states "All Chinese citizen, regardl⺌ess of ethnicity, race, occupation, family background, or degree of education, hA⺌ve the full right to serve in the military."
PLA did hA⺌ve t⺌wo ethnic Russians serving as 1-star generals in the army back in the 60s:
Here's some other exampl⺌es of PLA soldier of Russian descent:
http://i1.hk/u/attachments/day_09042...JKb5K9sIcr.jpg
PLA Soldier:
Yes, as what I said above, you can join PLA if you become a Chinese citizen. If ethnically Russian Chinese can join the PLA, I'm pretty sure an ethnically Finn Chinese can do the same. Plus it's all in their consititution.
Hope this helps!
YES!!!! It really does help me! Thank you very much! Seems like that I hA⺌ve to douple my efforts in my studies of chinese lanquage.
太感谢了！！！！确实太有用了，现在我应该怀疑我在学习中文上所下的功夫了。
第二部分讨论结束，迄今为止，大家理性讨论，楼基正正的。
vladimir1918
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn McCool
I'm just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
Because they hate freedom!
因为他们讨厌自⺌由！
The answer is very simple. The ethnic Chinese youth you meet on this forum are interesting in PLA, if they want to join other countries army they will not be on this forum.
I bet you can find táiwan people with dual citizenship who want to join the ROC Amry in some táiwan military forum.
答⺌案很简单，在这个论坛上你遇到的少数民⺌族的中国年轻人，都对加入解⺌放军感兴趣，如果他们想加入别的国⺌家的军⺌队，他们就不会在这个帖子下面留言了。
跟你赌吧，可以拥有双重国籍，并且想加入中⺌华民国的军⺌队的台⺌湾人，你可以在台⺌湾的军事论坛里一抓一大把。
feifei
according to some report published in chinese froum,some divisions,which had serviced in the fouth Field Army of PLA, raised many koreas in the War of Liberatio. and then these koreas came the Korean War.
根据一些在中国论坛上公布的报告，解⺌放军第四野⺌战军旗下的一些部⺌队在解⺌放战争期间曾征募了很多的朝⺌鲜裔人，之后的韩战（抗美援朝），是这些人奔赴到前线参战的。
PLA Soldier
kw6⺌4, thank you very much! Your information has been most usefull this far.
KW6⺌4，多谢你了！你提供的信息目前最有用了！
kw6⺌4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn McCool
I'm just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
Well there are plenty of foreign nationals in the U.S. military and French Military, so I guess it's not completely unusual wanting to join some other nation's military.
话说回来，在米国和法⺌国军⺌队里面都有很多外国裔战士啊，所以我想，这种想参加别的国⺌家的军⺌队的想法并不是完全不可理喻的。