超级军网外籍加入解放军？一个芬兰少年的PLA梦
来源：百度文库 编辑：超级军网 时间：2024/04/28 13:50:30
【转载】【译文-中文】外籍人士可以加入中国解放军么？
【原文-加拿大】Could non-chinese join PLA?
【原文地址】：http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/army/could-non-chinese-join-pla-4639.html
Could non-chinese join PLA?
外籍人士可以加入中国解放军么？
PLA Soldier（楼主）
As seen in topic, my porblem is that I wish to know would it be possible for non-chinese citizen to join PLÀ? This not a joke, I´m talking dead-serious about this.
如题，我想知道非中国公民加入解放军是否可能？大家别笑，我是认真的。
bd popeye
------------------------------------------
In my short 5 year study study of the PLA the answer is no
The answer can be found in this link below.
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanavy.pdf
由我五年来对PLA的研究来看，答案是否定的。
你可以看看下面的链接，其中有你要找的答案:
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanavy.pdf(美国人的出台的中国海军报告，有时间可以去看看)
------------------------------------------
PLA Soldier
Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?
多谢你的回复，但是，如果我放弃原来的国籍，加入中国国籍呢，有可能吗？
------------------------------------------
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?
Nope..Someone asked that question previously..several years ago in fact. Perhaps in this thread or in theold ez board days of 5 years ago.
You have to be Chinese citizen of the Peoples Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.
You >>> PLA soldier <<<cannot join! Join the Army in your home country would be your best bet..
edit 5 minutes later...
Let’’s see as near as I figure you live in Finland and are only 15 years old according to your profile. So in most countries you have to be 17 or 18 to join the military. So just wait until then.
还是不行啦，有人最近问过和你一样的问题……好吧，是几年前，也许是五年前，当时这个论坛的版本可能还处于ezboard（公告板）时代吧。
你首先必须生为中华人民共和国的公民，才有资格加入解放军，其他一切免谈。
你，解放军战士，两者无缘，放弃吧，还是加入你自己国家的军队吧，这才是王道。
进一步说吧，由你的资料，我猜你住在芬兰吧，15岁，在大多数国家，法定参军年龄大概在17到18岁，所以，你还是再喝几年奶看看吧。
------------------------------------------
Finn McCool
There’’s always the Legion Etrangere
总是有外籍军团存在滴。
------------------------------------------
Damingli85
What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?
如果一个中国人先换成美国国籍，然后又恢复中国国籍呢？
------------------------------------------
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damingli85
What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?
Nope
还是不行。
------------------------------------------
Quote:
You have to be Chinese citizen of the Peoples Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.
I should have stated a natural born Chinese citizen.
我的意思是你必须是一个土生土长的中国人。
------------------------------------------
HKSDU
answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA
连香港和澳门的年轻人都不让加入解放军呢。（ID显示应为香港人）
------------------------------------------
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSDU
answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA
Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
多谢啦，西藏人不行，蒙古人不行，这些生活在中国西部省份的或者其他地方的非中原人种都不行（？），更何况是外国人？
你必须是一个土生土长的中国人，讨论到此为止。
------------------------------------------
backwindow
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
Tibetans & Mongolians & Uyghuｒs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.
解放军中是有西藏人，蒙古人，WZ人在服役的，如果他们是中国公民。
------------------------------------------
lcloo
I was working in China, and I watched CCTV7 regularly. There was a Uyghu girl in PLA medical unit going round villages giving health aid. I remember she was an officer but I forgot her rank.
There are also many non-Han PLA soldiers in Inner Mongolia and Guangxi provinces. Zhuan people in Guangxi are non-Han Chinese.
我曾在中国工作过，时常看CCTV7军事频道，里面看到过一个WZ医护兵女孩在给一些村落的人们提供医疗救助，我记得她是个军官，但忘了是什么军衔了。
的确有很多非汉族士兵在内蒙古和广西服役的，广西的壮族就不是汉族人。
------------------------------------------
Damingli85
But I was born in China! I just got my citizenship here for college .
可我以前就出生在中国啊！我只是为了上大学才换成现在的国籍。（这个华人后悔换国籍了）
------------------------------------------
backwindow
Although people from Hong Kong and Macau are legally Chinese citizen, they do have different passport.
尽管香港人和澳门人都是中国公民，可他们却有着（跟大陆）不同的护照。
------------------------------------------
kw64
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
Sorry but this claim is not true, it’’s not unusual for Chinese minorities to serve in PLA:
很抱歉的说，bd popeye你的说法是不对的，中国少数民族去参军的情况很常见啊。
Here’’s an example of an Uygur officer:
下面就是一位WZ军官的例子：
http://www.gmw.cn/CONTENT/2009-07/25/content_953564.htm
And a Tibetan officer:
而这是一位藏族军官：
http://military.people.com.cn/GB/107...3/7062275.html
------------------------------------------
tres
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
That’’s not true. In the history of PLA, there were many people from other countries, including USA, Canada, and India joined PLA. In fact two of the most famous WWII era military doctors were Canadian and Indian.
bd popeye 你说的不对，在解放军历史上，有很多人是来自外国的，包括美国，加拿大，印度等，实际上，（中国）抗日战争中最出名的两位军医，一个来自加拿大，一个来自印度。
Today you could see Tibetan, Mongolian, Korean and Urger soldiers in uniforms in different ranks.
如今，你可以找到很多军衔不一的藏族，蒙古族，WZ的士兵。
------------------------------------------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn McCool
Im just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
（这个人问为什么那些外人要加入PLA）
Well there are plenty of foreign nationals in the U.S. military and French Military, so I guess its not completely unusual wanting to join some other nations military.
(因为其它国家本来就有很多外国人，所以出现这种情况就没什么奇怪的)
--------------------
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
kw64, thank you very much! Your information has been most usefull this far.
No problem Its actually surprisingly easy to apply for Chinese citizenship. The only prerequisite requirement is that you have to be a legal residence living in China. There are no language or minimum years of stay requirements. Due to the economic boom, in recent years theres a spike in number of foreign nationals applying for Chinese citizenship (mostly from Africa and South/Southeastern Asia), and the Chinese government generally maintains a relatively open policy towards Citizenship Applicants so far (unless theres politically sensitive issue involved). The only one thing is that the Chinese government does not recognize duo-citizenship, so you have to give up your previous citizenship once you got the Chinese citizenship. （申请中国身份很容易，你只要中国的法定居民就可以了。没有语言啊居住年限的要求。因为经济很好，所以已经有很多外国人要到中国来。只是大多数都是非洲和南美人）。只是中国不承认双重国籍，所以你要加入中国国籍，就要放弃原国国籍--------------------
bball2k
Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Tibetans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on youtube. Some are serving in the Tibetan areas and some outside. Uyghurs have been shown also.
According to wiki, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and party secretary of the PLA so it’’s not like ethnic minorities can’’t rise to high ranks either.
恩，蛮有趣的，你们从哪听说非汉族人不能加入解放军的？ CCTV7几个月前刚刚播过一期有关藏族士兵的节目，一些在西藏执勤，一些则在其他地方，关于WZ士兵，也早就播过了。
根据维基百科资料，一个名叫赵南起（Cho Namgi）朝鲜族人，官至3星上将（1988年），当过军队指战员，党委书记，所以说少数民族将领晋升受到限制的说法也不成立。
------------------------------------------
bd popeye
Quote:
Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Tibetans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on youtube. Some are serving in the Tibetan areas and some outside. Uyghurs have been shown also.
According to wiki, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and party secretary of the PLA so it’’s not like ethnic minorities can’’t rise to high ranks either.
and...
Quote:
Originally Posted by backwindow
Tibetans & Mongolians & Uyghuｒs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.
Ooppss my bad Thanks for that information! I was unaware of that.
看来我错了，多谢指教，我以前还不知道呢。
------------------------------------------
PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
谢谢所有回复的人，现在我的新问题来了：如果我现在搬到中国去住，然后获得中国国籍，那我再参军有戏吗？
------------------------------------------
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don’’t think so.
至少就我看来，不行。不过也有可能我错了，但这种情况微乎其微。
Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...
问你个问题，在我们的论坛和姐妹网站sinodefence.com上面，有那么多的解放军照片，可能成千上万张…
Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA have you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.
鉴于你来自芬兰，请问你是白人吗？我就臆断如此吧，那么请你翻翻看这些照片，你能找出一张，就一张，上面的解放军战士是穿着制服的白人吗？有过吗？我只是问一下。
------------------------------------------
PLA Soldier
Yes, I´m white western, and yes, I have never seen any white people in PLA uniform. That is the reason why I´m asking this from you.
是的，我是西方白人，我也承认，我从未见到有白人穿着解放军的制服服役，可这也是我向你问这个问题的原因。
------------------------------------------
lcloo
From my observation while in China, I have noticed that,
以我在中国观察的经历，曾经注意到一下的事情：
The recruitment exercise starts with a large red banner hung up by local village or town government. At the same time local TV will broadcast the time, place, age and document requirements. (In Shenzhen, almost every town has its own TV broadcasting control).
征兵事宜一般被当地村镇政府大事操办，会悬挂红色的横幅来进行宣传，本地电视台会广播征兵时间，地点，所需准备的材料。（在深圳，几乎每个村镇都有自己的闭路广播电视）
I only witnessed one recruitment exercise in the same village which I stayed for 7 years. I could have missed a few though. Also, may be because the PLA was cutting down its size during those years, so less recruitments.
我在我待过7年的小集镇只目睹过一次这样的征兵行动，很可能我错过了一些吧。但也有可能是因为这些年解放军一直在执行裁军政策吧，所以征兵次数减少也理所当然。
An important documrnt is Residence Card 户口issued by Public Security Bureau. Only mainland Chinese citizens have this document, Hongkong and Macau people don’’t have this as they are ruled under different laws. Without this residence card, you have no way of getting in PLA. (Residence card is not ID card, fake ID cards were easy to get but not residence cards).
（应征）的一个很重要的材料是你的户口本，由公安局颁发，只有大陆人才有这样的本本，香港人，澳门人没有，因为一国两制嘛。没有这个小本子，你是无论如何也参不了军的。（户口本不是身份证，假的身份证容易搞，可你搞个假户口本试试看？）
Interview was in collaboration with local town government. I think they want to acertain the personal information and check for crime records, and also priority will be given to member of communist party.
征兵也离不开本地政府的协助，我认为他们是想借此确认应征人员的个人信息，检查是否曾有过犯罪记录，当然，中共党员有被优先招募的权利。
------------------------------------------
kw64
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don’’t think so.
Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...
Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA have you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
Popeye:
I would say that’’s an underinformed conclusion, partially because the white/black Chinese population is relatively small, so you don’’t see them in photo ops very often...
对Popeye说:
我得说，你的说法有欠推敲，（找不到白人解放军战士）的原因，一部分是因为黑或白种中国人的比例在中国人口里相对较低，你看不到是很正常的
I’’d suggest you to read the latest revised Chinese law regarding military service, in Chapter 1, section 3: http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm
我建议你读一读最新修订的中国解放军服役法，在第一章，第3节。
http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm
It states "All Chinese citizen, regardless of ethnicity, race, occupation, family background, or degree of education, have the full right to serve in the military."
指出：凡中国公民，不管其种族，族群，职业，家庭背景，或教育程度，都享有到军队服役的权利。
PLA did have two ethnic Russians serving as 1-star generals in the army back in the 60s:
http://www.360doc.com/content/090716...1_4302019.html
回溯至60年代，解放军里确实有两名俄罗斯裔的一星将军在役。
Here’’s some other examples of PLA soldier of Russian descent:
【后面的新回复】
Nice, since I was born in China and I am biologically Chinese, I could just throw away my US citizenship and join the PLA. But then, Good Iron does not become a nail, and a good man does not become a soldier.
（其实我的英语不好，但是可以大致翻译一下。比较有趣）
好吧，如果我出生在中国，那么我生理上就是个中国人。但是“好铁不做钉，好男不当兵”---（我怀疑这是个中国人，他怎么知道这个俗语的？）--------------------
Im more interested in joining their weapons R&D.
ENGINEER说： 我想去加入他们的武器研发【天香公园欢迎您】
Im just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
Finn McCool ： 我只是好奇，为什么这些少数民族（甚至不是那么明显的少数）那么想加入解放军？
Because they hate freedom!
The answer is very simple. The ethnic Chinese youth you meet on this forum are interesting in PLA, if they want to join other countries army they will not be on this forum.
I bet you can find Taiwan people with dual citizenship who want to join the ROC Amry in some Taiwan military forum.
vladimir1918 ： 答案很简单，这个论坛上的少数民族想加入解放军。如果他们想加入其他国家的军队，就不会来这个论坛了。如果你去台湾论坛，他们就会说想加入国军
--------------------
according to some report published in chinese froum,some divisions,which had serviced in the fouth Field Army of PLA,raised many koreas in the War of Liberatio. and then these koreas came the Korean War.
feifei ：（明显是个中国人，就不具体翻译了，说的是中国人召朝鲜人打朝鲜战争）--------------------
--------------------
To Finn McCool
Joinging PLA is a family honour in China nowadays. There is a saying in China that you get paid joining army in foreign countries but you have to pay to joing the PLA.
（我告诉你Finn McCool，加入pla在中国是光耀门楣的是，传说在国外参军要军队给你钱，在中国参军你要给军队钱）
Honor is something all face loving Chinese treasured. Also they get trained in PLA for various skill like driving, engine repairs etc. Other benifits like vocational traning and job placement after discharge, pirority in getting railway tickets, special rates hotels for servicemen all over China.
(在中国参军倍有面子，你可以在里面学开车，修理等等，退伍还可以安排工作，坐飞机火车都打折)【护舒宝，用了可以跑，可以跳，可以游泳、骑车、打球和摔跤，下辈子做个护舒宝吧】
People in poor villages are living in extreme hard conditions, and joining PLA and getting trained is a dream to many. （贫困山区的孩子做梦都想参军）--------------------
My first post after lurking here for years:
(我的帖子沉了一年多了)--------------------
Wrong, a good man becomes a soldier!
(错了,男人就是要当兵.(说那个好铁不做钉的人))
--------------------
As far I could remember this is a quote from Kongfuzi and therefore
absolutely wrong. For confucianism to be right, the followers of
Kongfuzi must win wars. But how could an anti-military people win?
How could a people with low regard for the most noble profession of
(我记得说好铁不做钉这话是孔子说的，如果孔子都是对的话，要打胜仗就照着孔子说的话去打就是了。但是一个反战人士怎么会赢得战争？)
arms conquer?--------------------
I understand that Chinese citizenship is hard to get. If they ask reason, I say that I want to join PLA, and you know, fresh meat for the grindery?
（我懂中国公民身份不容易搞，但是如果他们问我为什么要加入中国国籍的话，我就说我要加入ＰＬＡ? ）后面这句不晓得怎么翻译了，字面是鲜肉配好磨，我猜是干材烈火一勾搭就能成功的意思。
--------------------
（这个想加入ＰＬＡ的芬兰人回答。我有节选，只翻译有趣的，无趣的不翻译。）
Okey, now finally the reason why I wan´t to join PLA:（我想加入ＰＬＡ的理由归纳起来有这么几点）
1. I have always dreamed about moving to foreign country. SWerving in that countrys armed forces would be great way to "pay back" my depth to my new homeland.（我想移民到外国去，加入那个国家的军队就是我回报我新祖国母亲的方式）
2. Why China? Many reasons. New superpower, strong military, enormous economy, strong coverment, chinese girls are beatifull!（为什么是中国呢，理由多多：新的超级大国，强大的军队，繁荣的经济，巨大的影响力，还有，中国女孩太漂亮啦）
3. And no, I´m not warcrazy militant. Actually, I love peace, but not in that way as many think about it. I wan´t to protect peace and wellfare of my beloved ones with arms if necessery.（我不是战争狂热分子，相反，我热爱和平。但是如果有必要，我也要用我手中的武器来保护和平和我的爱人）
4. China is not at war apparently. （中国没有打仗呢！）
--------------------
I think this is a point the OP should seriously consider. Being in the army doesnt give one much time to go dating and meeting people. In fact, you can just forget about a normal love/family life.
（我想你要认真考虑一下，当了兵就不能约会什么的了，中国有漂亮女孩也没你什么事了。你要忘记正常的家庭生活）
Also, just because China isnt at war doesnt mean being in the Army is safe. The PLA undertakes many dangerous search & rescue missions, and if you get assigned to Xinjiang, you run the risk of being the target of terrorist attacks. （并且，中国不打仗并不代表你不危险，ＰＬＡ是要抗洪抢险的，如果你被派到新疆，你要被恐怖分子砍的）
---------------------------------------
本帖的翻译作者是：Aville
原翻译帖地址是：http://www.ptfcn.com/ptfcn/s/121.html
【转载】【译文-中文】外籍人士可以加入中国解放军么？
【原文-加拿大】Could non-chinese join PLA?
【原文地址】：http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/army/could-non-chinese-join-pla-4639.html
Could non-chinese join PLA?
外籍人士可以加入中国解放军么？
PLA Soldier（楼主）
As seen in topic, my porblem is that I wish to know would it be possible for non-chinese citizen to join PLÀ? This not a joke, I´m talking dead-serious about this.
如题，我想知道非中国公民加入解放军是否可能？大家别笑，我是认真的。
bd popeye
------------------------------------------
In my short 5 year study study of the PLA the answer is no
The answer can be found in this link below.
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanavy.pdf
由我五年来对PLA的研究来看，答案是否定的。
你可以看看下面的链接，其中有你要找的答案:
http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanavy.pdf(美国人的出台的中国海军报告，有时间可以去看看)
------------------------------------------
PLA Soldier
Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?
多谢你的回复，但是，如果我放弃原来的国籍，加入中国国籍呢，有可能吗？
------------------------------------------
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?
Nope..Someone asked that question previously..several years ago in fact. Perhaps in this thread or in theold ez board days of 5 years ago.
You have to be Chinese citizen of the Peoples Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.
You >>> PLA soldier <<<cannot join! Join the Army in your home country would be your best bet..
edit 5 minutes later...
Let’’s see as near as I figure you live in Finland and are only 15 years old according to your profile. So in most countries you have to be 17 or 18 to join the military. So just wait until then.
还是不行啦，有人最近问过和你一样的问题……好吧，是几年前，也许是五年前，当时这个论坛的版本可能还处于ezboard（公告板）时代吧。
你首先必须生为中华人民共和国的公民，才有资格加入解放军，其他一切免谈。
你，解放军战士，两者无缘，放弃吧，还是加入你自己国家的军队吧，这才是王道。
进一步说吧，由你的资料，我猜你住在芬兰吧，15岁，在大多数国家，法定参军年龄大概在17到18岁，所以，你还是再喝几年奶看看吧。
------------------------------------------
Finn McCool
There’’s always the Legion Etrangere
总是有外籍军团存在滴。
------------------------------------------
Damingli85
What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?
如果一个中国人先换成美国国籍，然后又恢复中国国籍呢？
------------------------------------------
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damingli85
What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?
Nope
还是不行。
------------------------------------------
Quote:
You have to be Chinese citizen of the Peoples Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.
I should have stated a natural born Chinese citizen.
我的意思是你必须是一个土生土长的中国人。
------------------------------------------
HKSDU
answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA
连香港和澳门的年轻人都不让加入解放军呢。（ID显示应为香港人）
------------------------------------------
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSDU
answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA
Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
多谢啦，西藏人不行，蒙古人不行，这些生活在中国西部省份的或者其他地方的非中原人种都不行（？），更何况是外国人？
你必须是一个土生土长的中国人，讨论到此为止。
------------------------------------------
backwindow
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
Tibetans & Mongolians & Uyghuｒs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.
解放军中是有西藏人，蒙古人，WZ人在服役的，如果他们是中国公民。
------------------------------------------
lcloo
I was working in China, and I watched CCTV7 regularly. There was a Uyghu girl in PLA medical unit going round villages giving health aid. I remember she was an officer but I forgot her rank.
There are also many non-Han PLA soldiers in Inner Mongolia and Guangxi provinces. Zhuan people in Guangxi are non-Han Chinese.
我曾在中国工作过，时常看CCTV7军事频道，里面看到过一个WZ医护兵女孩在给一些村落的人们提供医疗救助，我记得她是个军官，但忘了是什么军衔了。
的确有很多非汉族士兵在内蒙古和广西服役的，广西的壮族就不是汉族人。
------------------------------------------
Damingli85
But I was born in China! I just got my citizenship here for college .
可我以前就出生在中国啊！我只是为了上大学才换成现在的国籍。（这个华人后悔换国籍了）
------------------------------------------
backwindow
Although people from Hong Kong and Macau are legally Chinese citizen, they do have different passport.
尽管香港人和澳门人都是中国公民，可他们却有着（跟大陆）不同的护照。
------------------------------------------
kw64
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
Sorry but this claim is not true, it’’s not unusual for Chinese minorities to serve in PLA:
很抱歉的说，bd popeye你的说法是不对的，中国少数民族去参军的情况很常见啊。
Here’’s an example of an Uygur officer:
下面就是一位WZ军官的例子：
http://www.gmw.cn/CONTENT/2009-07/25/content_953564.htm
And a Tibetan officer:
而这是一位藏族军官：
http://military.people.com.cn/GB/107...3/7062275.html
------------------------------------------
tres
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.
You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.
That’’s not true. In the history of PLA, there were many people from other countries, including USA, Canada, and India joined PLA. In fact two of the most famous WWII era military doctors were Canadian and Indian.
bd popeye 你说的不对，在解放军历史上，有很多人是来自外国的，包括美国，加拿大，印度等，实际上，（中国）抗日战争中最出名的两位军医，一个来自加拿大，一个来自印度。
Today you could see Tibetan, Mongolian, Korean and Urger soldiers in uniforms in different ranks.
如今，你可以找到很多军衔不一的藏族，蒙古族，WZ的士兵。
------------------------------------------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn McCool
Im just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
（这个人问为什么那些外人要加入PLA）
Well there are plenty of foreign nationals in the U.S. military and French Military, so I guess its not completely unusual wanting to join some other nations military.
(因为其它国家本来就有很多外国人，所以出现这种情况就没什么奇怪的)
--------------------
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
kw64, thank you very much! Your information has been most usefull this far.
No problem Its actually surprisingly easy to apply for Chinese citizenship. The only prerequisite requirement is that you have to be a legal residence living in China. There are no language or minimum years of stay requirements. Due to the economic boom, in recent years theres a spike in number of foreign nationals applying for Chinese citizenship (mostly from Africa and South/Southeastern Asia), and the Chinese government generally maintains a relatively open policy towards Citizenship Applicants so far (unless theres politically sensitive issue involved). The only one thing is that the Chinese government does not recognize duo-citizenship, so you have to give up your previous citizenship once you got the Chinese citizenship. （申请中国身份很容易，你只要中国的法定居民就可以了。没有语言啊居住年限的要求。因为经济很好，所以已经有很多外国人要到中国来。只是大多数都是非洲和南美人）。只是中国不承认双重国籍，所以你要加入中国国籍，就要放弃原国国籍--------------------
bball2k
Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Tibetans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on youtube. Some are serving in the Tibetan areas and some outside. Uyghurs have been shown also.
According to wiki, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and party secretary of the PLA so it’’s not like ethnic minorities can’’t rise to high ranks either.
恩，蛮有趣的，你们从哪听说非汉族人不能加入解放军的？ CCTV7几个月前刚刚播过一期有关藏族士兵的节目，一些在西藏执勤，一些则在其他地方，关于WZ士兵，也早就播过了。
根据维基百科资料，一个名叫赵南起（Cho Namgi）朝鲜族人，官至3星上将（1988年），当过军队指战员，党委书记，所以说少数民族将领晋升受到限制的说法也不成立。
------------------------------------------
bd popeye
Quote:
Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Tibetans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on youtube. Some are serving in the Tibetan areas and some outside. Uyghurs have been shown also.
According to wiki, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and party secretary of the PLA so it’’s not like ethnic minorities can’’t rise to high ranks either.
and...
Quote:
Originally Posted by backwindow
Tibetans & Mongolians & Uyghuｒs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.
Ooppss my bad Thanks for that information! I was unaware of that.
看来我错了，多谢指教，我以前还不知道呢。
------------------------------------------
PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
谢谢所有回复的人，现在我的新问题来了：如果我现在搬到中国去住，然后获得中国国籍，那我再参军有戏吗？
------------------------------------------
bd popeye
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don’’t think so.
至少就我看来，不行。不过也有可能我错了，但这种情况微乎其微。
Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...
问你个问题，在我们的论坛和姐妹网站sinodefence.com上面，有那么多的解放军照片，可能成千上万张…
Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA have you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.
鉴于你来自芬兰，请问你是白人吗？我就臆断如此吧，那么请你翻翻看这些照片，你能找出一张，就一张，上面的解放军战士是穿着制服的白人吗？有过吗？我只是问一下。
------------------------------------------
PLA Soldier
Yes, I´m white western, and yes, I have never seen any white people in PLA uniform. That is the reason why I´m asking this from you.
是的，我是西方白人，我也承认，我从未见到有白人穿着解放军的制服服役，可这也是我向你问这个问题的原因。
------------------------------------------
lcloo
From my observation while in China, I have noticed that,
以我在中国观察的经历，曾经注意到一下的事情：
The recruitment exercise starts with a large red banner hung up by local village or town government. At the same time local TV will broadcast the time, place, age and document requirements. (In Shenzhen, almost every town has its own TV broadcasting control).
征兵事宜一般被当地村镇政府大事操办，会悬挂红色的横幅来进行宣传，本地电视台会广播征兵时间，地点，所需准备的材料。（在深圳，几乎每个村镇都有自己的闭路广播电视）
I only witnessed one recruitment exercise in the same village which I stayed for 7 years. I could have missed a few though. Also, may be because the PLA was cutting down its size during those years, so less recruitments.
我在我待过7年的小集镇只目睹过一次这样的征兵行动，很可能我错过了一些吧。但也有可能是因为这些年解放军一直在执行裁军政策吧，所以征兵次数减少也理所当然。
An important documrnt is Residence Card 户口issued by Public Security Bureau. Only mainland Chinese citizens have this document, Hongkong and Macau people don’’t have this as they are ruled under different laws. Without this residence card, you have no way of getting in PLA. (Residence card is not ID card, fake ID cards were easy to get but not residence cards).
（应征）的一个很重要的材料是你的户口本，由公安局颁发，只有大陆人才有这样的本本，香港人，澳门人没有，因为一国两制嘛。没有这个小本子，你是无论如何也参不了军的。（户口本不是身份证，假的身份证容易搞，可你搞个假户口本试试看？）
Interview was in collaboration with local town government. I think they want to acertain the personal information and check for crime records, and also priority will be given to member of communist party.
征兵也离不开本地政府的协助，我认为他们是想借此确认应征人员的个人信息，检查是否曾有过犯罪记录，当然，中共党员有被优先招募的权利。
------------------------------------------
kw64
Quote:
Originally Posted by bd popeye
Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don’’t think so.
Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...
Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA have you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PLA Soldier
OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?
Popeye:
I would say that’’s an underinformed conclusion, partially because the white/black Chinese population is relatively small, so you don’’t see them in photo ops very often...
对Popeye说:
我得说，你的说法有欠推敲，（找不到白人解放军战士）的原因，一部分是因为黑或白种中国人的比例在中国人口里相对较低，你看不到是很正常的
I’’d suggest you to read the latest revised Chinese law regarding military service, in Chapter 1, section 3: http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm
我建议你读一读最新修订的中国解放军服役法，在第一章，第3节。
http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm
It states "All Chinese citizen, regardless of ethnicity, race, occupation, family background, or degree of education, have the full right to serve in the military."
指出：凡中国公民，不管其种族，族群，职业，家庭背景，或教育程度，都享有到军队服役的权利。
PLA did have two ethnic Russians serving as 1-star generals in the army back in the 60s:
http://www.360doc.com/content/090716...1_4302019.html
回溯至60年代，解放军里确实有两名俄罗斯裔的一星将军在役。
Here’’s some other examples of PLA soldier of Russian descent:
【后面的新回复】
Nice, since I was born in China and I am biologically Chinese, I could just throw away my US citizenship and join the PLA. But then, Good Iron does not become a nail, and a good man does not become a soldier.
（其实我的英语不好，但是可以大致翻译一下。比较有趣）
好吧，如果我出生在中国，那么我生理上就是个中国人。但是“好铁不做钉，好男不当兵”---（我怀疑这是个中国人，他怎么知道这个俗语的？）--------------------
Im more interested in joining their weapons R&D.
ENGINEER说： 我想去加入他们的武器研发【天香公园欢迎您】
Im just curious, why do all these ethnic Chinese (or not even that apparently) want to join the PLA so badly?
Finn McCool ： 我只是好奇，为什么这些少数民族（甚至不是那么明显的少数）那么想加入解放军？
Because they hate freedom!
The answer is very simple. The ethnic Chinese youth you meet on this forum are interesting in PLA, if they want to join other countries army they will not be on this forum.
I bet you can find Taiwan people with dual citizenship who want to join the ROC Amry in some Taiwan military forum.
vladimir1918 ： 答案很简单，这个论坛上的少数民族想加入解放军。如果他们想加入其他国家的军队，就不会来这个论坛了。如果你去台湾论坛，他们就会说想加入国军
--------------------
according to some report published in chinese froum,some divisions,which had serviced in the fouth Field Army of PLA,raised many koreas in the War of Liberatio. and then these koreas came the Korean War.
feifei ：（明显是个中国人，就不具体翻译了，说的是中国人召朝鲜人打朝鲜战争）--------------------
--------------------
To Finn McCool
Joinging PLA is a family honour in China nowadays. There is a saying in China that you get paid joining army in foreign countries but you have to pay to joing the PLA.
（我告诉你Finn McCool，加入pla在中国是光耀门楣的是，传说在国外参军要军队给你钱，在中国参军你要给军队钱）
Honor is something all face loving Chinese treasured. Also they get trained in PLA for various skill like driving, engine repairs etc. Other benifits like vocational traning and job placement after discharge, pirority in getting railway tickets, special rates hotels for servicemen all over China.
(在中国参军倍有面子，你可以在里面学开车，修理等等，退伍还可以安排工作，坐飞机火车都打折)【护舒宝，用了可以跑，可以跳，可以游泳、骑车、打球和摔跤，下辈子做个护舒宝吧】
People in poor villages are living in extreme hard conditions, and joining PLA and getting trained is a dream to many. （贫困山区的孩子做梦都想参军）--------------------
My first post after lurking here for years:
(我的帖子沉了一年多了)--------------------
Wrong, a good man becomes a soldier!
(错了,男人就是要当兵.(说那个好铁不做钉的人))
--------------------
As far I could remember this is a quote from Kongfuzi and therefore
absolutely wrong. For confucianism to be right, the followers of
Kongfuzi must win wars. But how could an anti-military people win?
How could a people with low regard for the most noble profession of
(我记得说好铁不做钉这话是孔子说的，如果孔子都是对的话，要打胜仗就照着孔子说的话去打就是了。但是一个反战人士怎么会赢得战争？)
arms conquer?--------------------
I understand that Chinese citizenship is hard to get. If they ask reason, I say that I want to join PLA, and you know, fresh meat for the grindery?
（我懂中国公民身份不容易搞，但是如果他们问我为什么要加入中国国籍的话，我就说我要加入ＰＬＡ? ）后面这句不晓得怎么翻译了，字面是鲜肉配好磨，我猜是干材烈火一勾搭就能成功的意思。
--------------------
（这个想加入ＰＬＡ的芬兰人回答。我有节选，只翻译有趣的，无趣的不翻译。）
Okey, now finally the reason why I wan´t to join PLA:（我想加入ＰＬＡ的理由归纳起来有这么几点）
1. I have always dreamed about moving to foreign country. SWerving in that countrys armed forces would be great way to "pay back" my depth to my new homeland.（我想移民到外国去，加入那个国家的军队就是我回报我新祖国母亲的方式）
2. Why China? Many reasons. New superpower, strong military, enormous economy, strong coverment, chinese girls are beatifull!（为什么是中国呢，理由多多：新的超级大国，强大的军队，繁荣的经济，巨大的影响力，还有，中国女孩太漂亮啦）
3. And no, I´m not warcrazy militant. Actually, I love peace, but not in that way as many think about it. I wan´t to protect peace and wellfare of my beloved ones with arms if necessery.（我不是战争狂热分子，相反，我热爱和平。但是如果有必要，我也要用我手中的武器来保护和平和我的爱人）
4. China is not at war apparently. （中国没有打仗呢！）
--------------------
I think this is a point the OP should seriously consider. Being in the army doesnt give one much time to go dating and meeting people. In fact, you can just forget about a normal love/family life.
（我想你要认真考虑一下，当了兵就不能约会什么的了，中国有漂亮女孩也没你什么事了。你要忘记正常的家庭生活）
Also, just because China isnt at war doesnt mean being in the Army is safe. The PLA undertakes many dangerous search & rescue missions, and if you get assigned to Xinjiang, you run the risk of being the target of terrorist attacks. （并且，中国不打仗并不代表你不危险，ＰＬＡ是要抗洪抢险的，如果你被派到新疆，你要被恐怖分子砍的）
---------------------------------------
本帖的翻译作者是：Aville
原翻译帖地址是：http://www.ptfcn.com/ptfcn/s/121.html
以前坛子上发过,不过这位仁兄梦想实现的可能性是0
这可以说是月经贴了吧，看样子CD越来越天涯化了！
回复 2# turtle
未必见得吧，如果他加入中国国籍，再加上天资聪颖，报考军事院校的时候如果家里或者朋友中有一定关系的，未必不能成功，通过普通征兵加入PLA可能性理论上为零。
再说了：一个芬兰友人，不远万里加入中国国籍，只是为了完成加入PLA梦想，为中国人民的解放事业而战，这是什么样的精神？以下一千多字可以参看纪念白求恩。我觉得如果真的信仰很坚定的话，中央军委特别批准也有可能。
未必见得吧，如果他加入中国国籍，再加上天资聪颖，报考军事院校的时候如果家里或者朋友中有一定关系的，未必不能成功，通过普通征兵加入PLA可能性理论上为零。
再说了：一个芬兰友人，不远万里加入中国国籍，只是为了完成加入PLA梦想，为中国人民的解放事业而战，这是什么样的精神？以下一千多字可以参看纪念白求恩。我觉得如果真的信仰很坚定的话，中央军委特别批准也有可能。
回复 4# KingofSword
拿到中国国籍的可能性是0
拿到中国国籍的可能性是0
貌似不可能吧，加入中国籍的条件特别苛刻。
并且，中国不打仗并不代表你不危险，ＰＬＡ是要抗洪抢险的，如果你被派到新疆，你要被恐怖分子砍的
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
这个是中国人么?呵呵。。
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
这个是中国人么?呵呵。。
他还是继续持有这个梦想吧……进来了梦恐怕要被现实击碎……
没人过去贴贴PLA抗洪抢险抗震救灾搭人堤人桥的照片么？让那个芬兰小正太瞧瞧，然后看他还敢不敢当PLA
记得有个新闻说有可能在军队技术岗位引进外籍人才。
这种在网络上转了N多光年的文字就不要再复制了
并且，中国不打仗并不代表你不危险，ＰＬＡ是要抗洪抢险的，如果你被派到新疆，你要被恐怖分子砍的）
{:se:}{:se:}{:se:}
{:se:}{:se:}{:se:}
KingofSword 发表于 2011-4-24 10:17 
不加入国籍的外国人，理论上应该也可以被聘为军事顾问、技术专家，前提是水平够高
不加入国籍的外国人，理论上应该也可以被聘为军事顾问、技术专家，前提是水平够高是芬兰籍的华人吧
这倒是个真事儿……一有爱的芬兰小伙
说了是白人了
这贴子我记得很早就见过了，…
很老的帖子了
以后咱们也要让这些老外为了拿中国的绿卡参加PLA
前天看手机报,军委主席胡同志签命令允许外国人员加入人民解放军
1、成为普通士兵，起码从表面程序上，是比较严格的，征兵的可以找理由刷你下来（幕后的事情咱先不说，咱是知道一些的）
2、现在PLA还不是特别缺普通士兵，所以PLA不会在意少这样一个普通一兵的加入
3、PLA缺的是技术士官和军官，如果真想入PLA，就先入国家，学好技术，做个PLA文职还是可能的
4、外国人没搞明白，其实PLA首先是政治团体，才是战斗团体
2、现在PLA还不是特别缺普通士兵，所以PLA不会在意少这样一个普通一兵的加入
3、PLA缺的是技术士官和军官，如果真想入PLA，就先入国家，学好技术，做个PLA文职还是可能的
4、外国人没搞明白，其实PLA首先是政治团体，才是战斗团体
“fresh meat for the grindery”
这句我觉得应该翻译成“好钢用在刀刃上”
这句我觉得应该翻译成“好钢用在刀刃上”
hannibal005 发表于 2011-4-24 14:21
要解放全人类了
要解放全人类了
基本不可能，政审就通不过
当然啦，要是为祖国做出了什么“杰出贡献”的话，也不是一点可能也没有
当然啦，要是为祖国做出了什么“杰出贡献”的话，也不是一点可能也没有
为嘛想来pla？
估计是看了阅兵高潮了
真来了有他受的
真来了有他受的
老早老早了哦
不敢说绝无可能，但可能性也是微乎其微。。。
中国国籍算世界上最难取得的了
就我知道的，某些削尖父母脑袋给孩子入外籍，结果等孩子稍大一些就开始后悔了。
到新疆被恐怖分子砍，呃。。。。。。无语
先过来入籍吧。
这个帖子都看过N次了
柳慕苏 发表于 2011-4-24 14:44
过去看过，记得这孩子是华人
过去看过，记得这孩子是华人
这个事情很老了吧
pla V5基本上没有中国血统,要想获得中国国籍,基本上是不可能的.还有就是,解放军是禁止和外国人通婚的.
这孩子很执着