超级军网俄中年底将迎来五代机的里程碑式事件
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Russia, China push fifth-generation fighter programmes to meet year-end milestones
By Reuben F Johnson
13 December 2010
This aircraft, like the first prototype, will be flown initially from the Dzemgi aerodrome adjacent to the Komsomolsk-na-Amure Aviation Production Association (KNAAPO) and then, following initial acceptance test flights, it will be transferred to the Gromov Flight Research Institute (LII) in Zhukovskiy.
Sukhoi General Director Mikhail Pogosian said the T-50 will take part in a flight display at the August 2011 Moscow Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS) as well as being on static display.
Both prototypes are powered by the same Saturn/Lyulka 117S engines fitted to the Sukhoi Su-35 while a new engine jointly developed by Saturn and the MMPP Salyut plant is in its design phase.
Russian aircraft programmes - even in Soviet times - have often had year-end deadlines to complete first flights that came down to the wire. Sources close to the programme told Jane's that "the end of the year deadline may not be met, but the aircraft will fly very soon - either before the end of 2010 or just after the new year".
The programme designation has been changed and is now officially being referred to as the 'PAK-FA/MI' (MI meaning Mnogofunktsionalniy Istrebitel, or Multirole Fighter).
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By Reuben F Johnson
13 December 2010
This aircraft, like the first prototype, will be flown initially from the Dzemgi aerodrome adjacent to the Komsomolsk-na-Amure Aviation Production Association (KNAAPO) and then, following initial acceptance test flights, it will be transferred to the Gromov Flight Research Institute (LII) in Zhukovskiy.
Sukhoi General Director Mikhail Pogosian said the T-50 will take part in a flight display at the August 2011 Moscow Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS) as well as being on static display.
Both prototypes are powered by the same Saturn/Lyulka 117S engines fitted to the Sukhoi Su-35 while a new engine jointly developed by Saturn and the MMPP Salyut plant is in its design phase.
Russian aircraft programmes - even in Soviet times - have often had year-end deadlines to complete first flights that came down to the wire. Sources close to the programme told Jane's that "the end of the year deadline may not be met, but the aircraft will fly very soon - either before the end of 2010 or just after the new year".
The programme designation has been changed and is now officially being referred to as the 'PAK-FA/MI' (MI meaning Mnogofunktsionalniy Istrebitel, or Multirole Fighter).
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By Reuben F Johnson
13 December 2010
This aircraft, like the first prototype, will be flown initially from the Dzemgi aerodrome adjacent to the Komsomolsk-na-Amure Aviation Production Association (KNAAPO) and then, following initial acceptance test flights, it will be transferred to the Gromov Flight Research Institute (LII) in Zhukovskiy.
Sukhoi General Director Mikhail Pogosian said the T-50 will take part in a flight display at the August 2011 Moscow Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS) as well as being on static display.
Both prototypes are powered by the same Saturn/Lyulka 117S engines fitted to the Sukhoi Su-35 while a new engine jointly developed by Saturn and the MMPP Salyut plant is in its design phase.
Russian aircraft programmes - even in Soviet times - have often had year-end deadlines to complete first flights that came down to the wire. Sources close to the programme told Jane's that "the end of the year deadline may not be met, but the aircraft will fly very soon - either before the end of 2010 or just after the new year".
The programme designation has been changed and is now officially being referred to as the 'PAK-FA/MI' (MI meaning Mnogofunktsionalniy Istrebitel, or Multirole Fighter).
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-------------------------------------Russia, China push fifth-generation fighter programmes to meet year-end milestones
By Reuben F Johnson
13 December 2010
This aircraft, like the first prototype, will be flown initially from the Dzemgi aerodrome adjacent to the Komsomolsk-na-Amure Aviation Production Association (KNAAPO) and then, following initial acceptance test flights, it will be transferred to the Gromov Flight Research Institute (LII) in Zhukovskiy.
Sukhoi General Director Mikhail Pogosian said the T-50 will take part in a flight display at the August 2011 Moscow Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS) as well as being on static display.
Both prototypes are powered by the same Saturn/Lyulka 117S engines fitted to the Sukhoi Su-35 while a new engine jointly developed by Saturn and the MMPP Salyut plant is in its design phase.
Russian aircraft programmes - even in Soviet times - have often had year-end deadlines to complete first flights that came down to the wire. Sources close to the programme told Jane's that "the end of the year deadline may not be met, but the aircraft will fly very soon - either before the end of 2010 or just after the new year".
The programme designation has been changed and is now officially being referred to as the 'PAK-FA/MI' (MI meaning Mnogofunktsionalniy Istrebitel, or Multirole Fighter).
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今天环球时报也写了篇文章 引述了这上面这篇文章 不过环球上说 中国五代机歼-20可能在年底试飞。
今天环球时报也写了篇文章 引述了这上面这篇文章 不过环球上说 中国五代机歼-20可能在年底试飞。
通篇没看到有中国的事啊
没看见说中国呀？
原文标题如此。。传送门：
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/idr/idr101213_1_n.shtml
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/idr/idr101213_1_n.shtml
26个字母我都认得，组合起来就不认得了，唉！！
幽默任意求 发表于 2010-12-16 11:12 
不知道为什么，故意把谈中国5代那段给删了
简氏原文里最后几段就是谈中国5代机的，表示中国重5已经在CAC造出2样机，估计年底首飞
不知道为什么，故意把谈中国5代那段给删了
简氏原文里最后几段就是谈中国5代机的，表示中国重5已经在CAC造出2样机，估计年底首飞
这段里真没看出有中国什么事儿，如果原文中真提到中国的五代机首飞事宜的话，这么删改又有什么意义？
外国媒体也有标题党。
TG四代收费没那么早吧？ 用AL31的推力能试飞出屁事个四代机动力。
谷歌翻译：
俄罗斯，中国推第五代战斗机计划，以应付年底的里程碑
由鲁本约翰逊F
2010年12月13日
这架飞机一样，第一个原型，将被空运最初从Dzemgi机场附近的共青城钠Amure航空生产联合体（KNAAPO），然后，以下初步验收试验飞行，将被转移到格罗莫夫飞行研究所（第五十二）在舒科夫斯基。
苏霍伊公司总经理米哈伊尔Pogosian说的T - 50将参加于2011年8月在莫斯科航空和航天沙龙（玛克斯）以及正在飞行的静态展示展览的一部分。
这两个原型都采用相同的土星/留里卡117S发动机安装在苏霍伊苏-35，而新引擎由土星与MMPP礼炮厂在设计开发阶段。
俄罗斯飞机项目 - 即使是在苏联时代 - 往往不得不年底最后期限完成这一线下来的第一个航班。据接近该方案告诉简氏说：“在今年5月底的最后期限没有得到满足，但飞机将飞得很快 - 无论是在2010年底或刚刚结束，新的一年”。
该计划的指定已发生变化，现已正式被称为'PAK-FA/MI'来（心肌梗塞意义Mnogofunktsionalniy Istrebitel，或多用途战斗机）。
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俄罗斯，中国推第五代战斗机计划，以应付年底的里程碑
由鲁本约翰逊F
2010年12月13日
这架飞机一样，第一个原型，将被空运最初从Dzemgi机场附近的共青城钠Amure航空生产联合体（KNAAPO），然后，以下初步验收试验飞行，将被转移到格罗莫夫飞行研究所（第五十二）在舒科夫斯基。
苏霍伊公司总经理米哈伊尔Pogosian说的T - 50将参加于2011年8月在莫斯科航空和航天沙龙（玛克斯）以及正在飞行的静态展示展览的一部分。
这两个原型都采用相同的土星/留里卡117S发动机安装在苏霍伊苏-35，而新引擎由土星与MMPP礼炮厂在设计开发阶段。
俄罗斯飞机项目 - 即使是在苏联时代 - 往往不得不年底最后期限完成这一线下来的第一个航班。据接近该方案告诉简氏说：“在今年5月底的最后期限没有得到满足，但飞机将飞得很快 - 无论是在2010年底或刚刚结束，新的一年”。
该计划的指定已发生变化，现已正式被称为'PAK-FA/MI'来（心肌梗塞意义Mnogofunktsionalniy Istrebitel，或多用途战斗机）。
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没提到TG，根本是个标题党
mlhan 发表于 2010-12-16 12:10
这才是原文，最后两段就是说TG5代预计年底首飞的：
这才是原文，最后两段就是说TG5代预计年底首飞的：
Jane's Defence Weekly
Russia, China push fifth-generation fighter programmes to meet year-end milestones
Reuben F Johnson JDW Correspondent - Kiev
A second prototype of the Sukhoi T-50 (PAK-FA) fifth-generation fighter aircraft will make its first flight by the end of this year, according to Russian defence industry spokespersons.
As with the first prototype, this aircraft will be flown initially from the Dzemgi aerodrome adjacent to the Komsomolsk-na-Amure Aviation Production Association. After initial-acceptance test flights, it will be transferred to the Gromov Flight Research Institute in Zhukovsky.
Sukhoi's general director, Mikhail Pogosian, stated that a T-50 will also be flown in a display at the MAKS International Aviation and Space Salon in August 2011.
A source close to the programme told Jane's that "the end-of-the-year deadline may not be met, but the aircraft will fly very soon - either before the end of 2010 or just after the [beginning of the] new year". Russian aircraft programmes - even in Soviet times - have often had year-end deadlines for first flights that came down to near photo finishes.
Meanwhile, rumours have emerged from China's Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC) and the adjoining Aircraft Plant 132 that a Chinese-developed fifth-generation fighter prototype may also fly by the end of the year. Reportedly, two airframes - numbered 2001 and 2002 - have been assembled at the plant.
According to Russian industry sources, the programme - sometimes referred to as 'J-20' - is a joint design effort between CAC and the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, with Chengdu taking the lead on the development.
Related link: http://jdw.janes.com/public/jdw/index.shtml
兰州也不翻译翻译。
回复 10# piginfly
先测隐身和航电吧
先测隐身和航电吧
SSJ100 发表于 2010-12-16 12:54
用于这个目的的试飞好像原定的是用秦岭。估计能够马虎对付一下了。
用于这个目的的试飞好像原定的是用秦岭。估计能够马虎对付一下了。
简氏也用rumor啊？流言上杂志？
caonima120 发表于 2010-12-16 11:10
从CD上看的？
从CD上看的？
简氏那个就是上次那篇文章，直接从CD上抄的。
难道是转手两道的 出口转内销
首架原型机将在KNAAPO附近的DZE机场首飞 然后将转往格罗莫夫飞行研究院进行首次验证测试飞行
苏霍伊主管说T50将参加2011年8月的莫斯科航展进行静态展示
T50,S35的两架原型机都采用土星和/LYULKA开发的117S引擎
更新型的由土星和礼炮公司联合开发的引擎还处于设计阶段
俄国航空界 甚至追溯到苏联时期 都经常有砸锅卖铁地赶在年底完成首飞的传统
消息灵通人士告诉简氏防务 年底的期限内可能完不成了 但首飞很近了
不是在年底就是过完年不久
项意思是目名称的官方称呼已经变为PAK-FA/MI MI代表多用途战机、
同时有传言称成飞和132所研制的中国五代原型机年底也将首飞
两架原型机 No2001和No2002已经装配完成
来自俄国的消息 该项目代号J20 是由成飞和沈飞联合设计的 但研制过程由成飞主导
没啥料啊:(
苏霍伊主管说T50将参加2011年8月的莫斯科航展进行静态展示
T50,S35的两架原型机都采用土星和/LYULKA开发的117S引擎
更新型的由土星和礼炮公司联合开发的引擎还处于设计阶段
俄国航空界 甚至追溯到苏联时期 都经常有砸锅卖铁地赶在年底完成首飞的传统
消息灵通人士告诉简氏防务 年底的期限内可能完不成了 但首飞很近了
不是在年底就是过完年不久
项意思是目名称的官方称呼已经变为PAK-FA/MI MI代表多用途战机、
同时有传言称成飞和132所研制的中国五代原型机年底也将首飞
两架原型机 No2001和No2002已经装配完成
来自俄国的消息 该项目代号J20 是由成飞和沈飞联合设计的 但研制过程由成飞主导
没啥料啊:(
回复 15# SSJ100
那这个只能算做四代机的技术验证机。美帝和毛子都有验证机的说。。。。
那这个只能算做四代机的技术验证机。美帝和毛子都有验证机的说。。。。
静候佳音。
TG四代收费没那么早吧？ 用AL31的推力能试飞出屁事个四代机动力。
piginfly 发表于 2010-12-16 11:59
毛子MIG-23首飞时用的发动机推力比5年后装备部队的机型小30%，雷达/电子设备甚至在3年后投产那批次都是用的MIG-21BIS的雷达，还有老型发动机。
毛子SU-27试飞用过AL-21F
美国F-22首飞时候的发动机YF-119推比只有7。9，推力只有130千牛，而F119的推比是9，推力150千牛， 而且美国的F-22的配套雷达，是在首飞7年多以后才搞出来的。
很少有航发/机载设备是先做出来然后等战斗机的，那样哪等得起？ 武器技术发展是日新月异的。
一般都是航发/机载设备和战斗机基本同步发展，所以TG首飞时不用WS-15也没什么大不了，试飞的项目很多的，首飞的意义仅仅在于基本的气动/控制设计没有大的问题，能满足飞机基本起降要求，其他的试飞，包括新发动机，新航电，都可以慢慢来，否则一飞机怎么首飞后怎么还得试飞5年左右才能装备部队？
TG四代收费没那么早吧？ 用AL31的推力能试飞出屁事个四代机动力。
piginfly 发表于 2010-12-16 11:59
毛子MIG-23首飞时用的发动机推力比5年后装备部队的机型小30%，雷达/电子设备甚至在3年后投产那批次都是用的MIG-21BIS的雷达，还有老型发动机。
毛子SU-27试飞用过AL-21F
美国F-22首飞时候的发动机YF-119推比只有7。9，推力只有130千牛，而F119的推比是9，推力150千牛， 而且美国的F-22的配套雷达，是在首飞7年多以后才搞出来的。
很少有航发/机载设备是先做出来然后等战斗机的，那样哪等得起？ 武器技术发展是日新月异的。
一般都是航发/机载设备和战斗机基本同步发展，所以TG首飞时不用WS-15也没什么大不了，试飞的项目很多的，首飞的意义仅仅在于基本的气动/控制设计没有大的问题，能满足飞机基本起降要求，其他的试飞，包括新发动机，新航电，都可以慢慢来，否则一飞机怎么首飞后怎么还得试飞5年左右才能装备部队？
静静等候佳音
PLA 发表于 2010-12-16 13:29
同候
同候
消息来源 CJDBY
在CD蹲点的简氏小编们辛苦了
在CD蹲点的简氏小编们辛苦了
PLA 发表于 2010-12-16 13:29
+1
+1
那就拭目以待吧
但愿为真的
静待着~
出口转内销，大家还是洗洗睡吧
难道没有全状态的发动机就不首飞了？
难道首飞就需要全状态发动机去飞全部的包线？
有些人啊 真是
难道首飞就需要全状态发动机去飞全部的包线？
有些人啊 真是
来大家一起敲碗，我们要圣诞礼物:Q
PLA 发表于 2010-12-16 17:23
呵呵，敲碗就能等来丝带就好啦，可惜敲碗往往连小说的更新都等不来啊{:ya:}
呵呵，敲碗就能等来丝带就好啦，可惜敲碗往往连小说的更新都等不来啊{:ya:}
敲碗 敲碗 敲碗
PLA 发表于 2010-12-16 17:23
敲碗要当乞丐的。。。。:D
敲碗要当乞丐的。。。。:D
敲唱：丝带。回楼上，乞丐是高收入群体，不要小瞧了。
piginfly 发表于 2010-12-16 11:59
试飞就要用成熟稳定的发动机，用AL31完全合情合理。
试飞就要用成熟稳定的发动机，用AL31完全合情合理。
80010 发表于 2010-12-16 13:29
在理啊！
在理啊！