超级军网原来美国在考虑搞反舰弹道导弹
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“远期来看，国防先进技术研究计划署的远程反舰导弹（LASM）潜力最大。LASM现在还处于技术演示阶段，承包商洛-马公司同时进行两种模式的LASM评估：弹道导弹和高速巡航导弹，以证明哪个技术更为有效。
《现代军事在》第八期《空海一体战》一文中提到的。“远期来看，国防先进技术研究计划署的远程反舰导弹（LASM）潜力最大。LASM现在还处于技术演示阶段，承包商洛-马公司同时进行两种模式的LASM评估：弹道导弹和高速巡航导弹，以证明哪个技术更为有效。
《现代军事在》第八期《空海一体战》一文中提到的。
《现代军事在》第八期《空海一体战》一文中提到的。“远期来看，国防先进技术研究计划署的远程反舰导弹（LASM）潜力最大。LASM现在还处于技术演示阶段，承包商洛-马公司同时进行两种模式的LASM评估：弹道导弹和高速巡航导弹，以证明哪个技术更为有效。
《现代军事在》第八期《空海一体战》一文中提到的。
其实很早以前标准就有攻陆改型的构想，射程900KM，其实就一舰载弹道导弹。
楼主，LASM - Land Attack Standard Missile 就是标准的陆攻型啊。 远程反舰导弹，应该是Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM)。
其实很早以前标准就有攻陆改型的构想，射程900KM，其实就一舰载弹道导弹
BLOCK4,280千米。
BLOCK4,280千米。
LZ你也太火星了！！！！这种东西美国在冷战末期的80年代最后几年就在研究了，随着苏联解体，美国国防预算大幅缩减，许多项目取消，这就是其中之一。其实“潘兴II”的特殊改进型就可能具有类似的能力，但也被拆毁了。后来有了标准IV导弹计划，最后也夭折。
LZ你也太火星了！！！！这种东西美国在冷战末期的80年代最后几年就在研究了，随着苏联解体，美国国防预算大幅缩减，许多项目取消，这就是其中之一。其实“潘兴II”的特殊改进型就可能具有类似的能力，但也被拆毁了。后来有了标准IV导弹计划，最后也夭折。
原来我也提出过类似的设想：
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-608731-1-1.html
相比较，HQ-9改成舰载弹道导弹和反舰导弹的条件比“标准”要优越的多，光战斗部的重量就大一倍以上。
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-608731-1-1.html
相比较，HQ-9改成舰载弹道导弹和反舰导弹的条件比“标准”要优越的多，光战斗部的重量就大一倍以上。
照楼主说的应该是LRASM
Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM)
Program Manager: Mr. Rob McHenry
In response to emerging threats, DARPA is building on the technology advances developed under the Hypersonics Flight (HyFly) program to develop and demonstrate standoff anti-ship strike technologies to reverse the significant and growing U.S. naval surface strike capability deficit. The Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) program will invest in advanced component and integrated system technologies capable of providing a dramatic leap ahead in U.S. surface warfare capability, focusing on organic wide area target discrimination in a network denied environment, innovative terminal survivability in the face of advanced defensive systems, and high assurance target lethality approaches. Specific technology development areas will include robust precision guidance, navigation and control with GPS denial; multi-modal sensors for high probability target identification in dense shipping environments; and precision aimpoint targeting for maximum lethality. Component technologies will be developed, demonstrated, and integrated into a prototype demonstration weapon system. The program will result in high fidelity demonstration to support military utility assessment.
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News Release
Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
3701 North Fairfax Drive
Arlington, VA 22203-1714
www.darpa.mil/newsroom
IMMEDIATE RELEASE June 30, 2009
DARPA BEGINS LONG RANGE ANTI-SHIP MISSILE PROGRAM
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) today awarded the first contract under the Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) program. Lockheed Martin Corp., Missiles and Fire Control, Orlando, Fla., will receive $10 million for the initial nine-month phase of the missile demonstration effort. An additional award is expected.
The joint DARPA/U.S. Navy LRASM program will provide Navy surface forces with leap-ahead anti-surface warfare capability to engage critical targets at extended ranges. Consistent with DARPA’s mission to prevent technological surprise, the LRASM concept is designed to reduce dependence on precision intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance sources, data links, and GPS by demonstrating advanced onboard sensing and processing capabilities. The unprecedented capabilities will allow precision engagement of moving ships based only on coarse, initial target cueing, even in extremely hostile environments. LRASM will be compatible with the Navy Vertical Launch System and will have sufficient range to engage targets from well beyond direct counter-fire ranges of projected threats. The missile will also employ innovative features that enable it to survivably penetrate advanced air defenses and deliver high-assurance lethality.
During the program’s initial phase, contractors will conduct trade studies and system performance analysis, develop a preliminary design, and perform risk reduction testing of critical elements of their system. This phase will conclude with a preliminary design review, operational effectiveness assessment, and evaluation of the technology development plan to complete the remaining DARPA demonstration program and operational transition to the Navy.
Following the initial phase, DARPA and the Navy will review results and make decisions regarding the way forward for the program, which notionally could include an additional 27 months to refine missile design, conduct subsystem developmental tests, complete a critical design review, and conduct flight tests. The program would culminate in a high-fidelity, end-to-end flight demonstration of LRASM performance. The program objective is to fly a technology demonstration system of sufficient maturity to support rapid transition to operational use.
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反舰导弹的革命要开始了.
[:a5:]
照楼主说的应该是LRASM
Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM)
Program Manager: Mr. Rob McHenry
In response to emerging threats, DARPA is building on the technology advances developed under the Hypersonics Flight (HyFly) program to develop and demonstrate standoff anti-ship strike technologies to reverse the significant and growing U.S. naval surface strike capability deficit. The Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) program will invest in advanced component and integrated system technologies capable of providing a dramatic leap ahead in U.S. surface warfare capability, focusing on organic wide area target discrimination in a network denied environment, innovative terminal survivability in the face of advanced defensive systems, and high assurance target lethality approaches. Specific technology development areas will include robust precision guidance, navigation and control with GPS denial; multi-modal sensors for high probability target identification in dense shipping environments; and precision aimpoint targeting for maximum lethality. Component technologies will be developed, demonstrated, and integrated into a prototype demonstration weapon system. The program will result in high fidelity demonstration to support military utility assessment.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
News Release
Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
3701 North Fairfax Drive
Arlington, VA 22203-1714
www.darpa.mil/newsroom
IMMEDIATE RELEASE June 30, 2009
DARPA BEGINS LONG RANGE ANTI-SHIP MISSILE PROGRAM
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) today awarded the first contract under the Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) program. Lockheed Martin Corp., Missiles and Fire Control, Orlando, Fla., will receive $10 million for the initial nine-month phase of the missile demonstration effort. An additional award is expected.
The joint DARPA/U.S. Navy LRASM program will provide Navy surface forces with leap-ahead anti-surface warfare capability to engage critical targets at extended ranges. Consistent with DARPA’s mission to prevent technological surprise, the LRASM concept is designed to reduce dependence on precision intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance sources, data links, and GPS by demonstrating advanced onboard sensing and processing capabilities. The unprecedented capabilities will allow precision engagement of moving ships based only on coarse, initial target cueing, even in extremely hostile environments. LRASM will be compatible with the Navy Vertical Launch System and will have sufficient range to engage targets from well beyond direct counter-fire ranges of projected threats. The missile will also employ innovative features that enable it to survivably penetrate advanced air defenses and deliver high-assurance lethality.
During the program’s initial phase, contractors will conduct trade studies and system performance analysis, develop a preliminary design, and perform risk reduction testing of critical elements of their system. This phase will conclude with a preliminary design review, operational effectiveness assessment, and evaluation of the technology development plan to complete the remaining DARPA demonstration program and operational transition to the Navy.
Following the initial phase, DARPA and the Navy will review results and make decisions regarding the way forward for the program, which notionally could include an additional 27 months to refine missile design, conduct subsystem developmental tests, complete a critical design review, and conduct flight tests. The program would culminate in a high-fidelity, end-to-end flight demonstration of LRASM performance. The program objective is to fly a technology demonstration system of sufficient maturity to support rapid transition to operational use.
-END-
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反舰导弹的革命要开始了.
[:a5:]
陆战之王的坦克 被导弹搞定了。
海战之王的航母 也会死在导弹手里。
命啊。
海战之王的航母 也会死在导弹手里。
命啊。
卫星+导弹+无人机。。。。。。。。。。电影这么说的。以后办公室可以兼职做士兵了。
哈哈，维基解密低得100万兵啊
哈哈，维基解密低得100万兵啊
嗯，以后要组建全水下舰队。
啥y~~~~标6就有这个潜力~~~~~~如果换用复合材料发动机,质量比提高到4,弹道-滑翔~~~~打1200km小意思~~~~
MD不是用潘兴2模拟巨浪1反舰蛋么
MD笑而不语！！你们这群奥特曼，现在看到的基本都是MD80年代的技术！
美联社新闻：中国反航母弹道导弹料将于年内试射
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100 ... er#mwpphu-container
美联社采访美国海军军内人士指出，美国海军对此武器对海战的影响非常忧虑，美国海军大学教授指出，此种武器系统一旦部署，对美国海军的影响将是决定性的， 美国海军将无法自如地控制海权。
美国海军大学Y教授同时表示，此武器在华盛顿美国政界高层引起广泛的关注和激烈讨论，当然由于目前反恐战争， 美国政界并未将这些激烈的内部讨论公布于众。
美国海军退役司令， 现美国海军大学教授Kraska专门描述了这种威力巨大的武器系统对美国航空母舰的毁灭性杀伤力。
美国人民看到此新闻后，情绪非常不稳定，YAHOO转载此消息后，短短不到一天，已经有上千条回复。
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100 ... er#mwpphu-container
美联社采访美国海军军内人士指出，美国海军对此武器对海战的影响非常忧虑，美国海军大学教授指出，此种武器系统一旦部署，对美国海军的影响将是决定性的， 美国海军将无法自如地控制海权。
美国海军大学Y教授同时表示，此武器在华盛顿美国政界高层引起广泛的关注和激烈讨论，当然由于目前反恐战争， 美国政界并未将这些激烈的内部讨论公布于众。
美国海军退役司令， 现美国海军大学教授Kraska专门描述了这种威力巨大的武器系统对美国航空母舰的毁灭性杀伤力。
美国人民看到此新闻后，情绪非常不稳定，YAHOO转载此消息后，短短不到一天，已经有上千条回复。
难说
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100 ... a_us_carrier_killer
:D:D
Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance
By ERIC TALMADGE, Associated
Press Writer Eric Talmadge, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 39 mins ago
ABOARD THE USS GEORGE WASHINGTON – Nothing projects U.S. global air and sea power more vividly than supercarriers. Bristling with fighter jets that can reach deep into even landlocked trouble zones, America's virtually invincible carrier fleet has long enforced its dominance of the high seas.
China may soon put an end to that.
U.S. naval planners are scrambling to deal with what analysts say is a game-changing weapon being developed by China — an unprecedented carrier-killing missile called the Dong Feng 21D that could be launched from land with enough accuracy to penetrate the defenses of even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 1,500 kilometers (900 miles).
___
EDITOR'S NOTE — The USS George Washington supercarrier recently deployed off North Korea in a high-profile show of U.S. sea power. AP Tokyo News Editor Eric Talmadge was aboard the carrier, and filed this report.
___
Analysts say final testing of the missile could come as soon as the end of this year, though questions remain about how fast China will be able to perfect its accuracy to the level needed to threaten a moving carrier at sea.
The weapon, a version of which was displayed last year in a Chinese military parade, could revolutionize China's role in the Pacific balance of power, seriously weakening Washington's ability to intervene in any potential conflict over Taiwan or North Korea. It could also deny U.S. ships safe access to international waters near China's 11,200-mile (18,000-kilometer) -long coastline.
While a nuclear bomb could theoretically sink a carrier, assuming its user was willing to raise the stakes to atomic levels, the conventionally-armed Dong Feng 21D's uniqueness is in its ability to hit a powerfully defended moving target with pin-point precision.
The Chinese Defense Ministry did not immediately respond to the AP's request for a comment.
Funded by annual double-digit increases in the defense budget for almost every year of the past two decades, the Chinese navy has become Asia's largest and has expanded beyond its traditional mission of retaking Taiwan to push its sphere of influence deeper into the Pacific and protect vital maritime trade routes.
"The Navy has long had to fear carrier-killing capabilities," said Patrick Cronin, senior director of the Asia-Pacific Security Program at the nonpartisan, Washington-based Center for a New American Security. "The emerging Chinese antiship missile capability, and in particular the DF 21D, represents the first post-Cold War capability that is both potentially capable of stopping our naval power projection and deliberately designed for that purpose."
Setting the stage for a possible conflict, Beijing has grown increasingly vocal in its demands for the U.S. to stay away from the wide swaths of ocean — covering much of the Yellow, East and South China seas — where it claims exclusivity.
It strongly opposed plans to hold U.S.-South Korean war games in the Yellow Sea off the northeastern Chinese coast, saying the participation of the USS George Washington supercarrier, with its 1,092-foot (333-meter) flight deck and 6,250 personnel, would be a provocation because it put Beijing within striking range of U.S. F-18 warplanes.
The carrier instead took part in maneuvers held farther away in the Sea of Japan.
U.S. officials deny Chinese pressure kept it away, and say they will not be told by Beijing where they can operate.
"We reserve the right to exercise in international waters anywhere in the world," Rear Adm. Daniel Cloyd, who headed the U.S. side of the exercises, said aboard the carrier during the maneuvers, which ended last week.
But the new missile, if able to evade the defenses of a carrier and of the vessels sailing with it, could undermine that policy.
"China can reach out and hit the U.S. well before the U.S. can get close enough to the mainland to hit back," said Toshi Yoshihara, an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College. He said U.S. ships have only twice been that vulnerable — against Japan in World War II and against Soviet bombers in the Cold War.
Carrier-killing missiles "could have an enduring psychological effect on U.S. policymakers," he e-mailed to The AP. "It underscores more broadly that the U.S. Navy no longer rules the waves as it has since the end of World War II. The stark reality is that sea control cannot be taken for granted anymore."
Yoshihara said the weapon is causing considerable consternation in Washington, though — with attention focused on land wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — its implications haven't been widely discussed in public.
Analysts note that while much has been made of China's efforts to ready a carrier fleet of its own, it would likely take decades to catch U.S. carrier crews' level of expertise, training and experience.
But Beijing does not need to match the U.S. carrier for carrier. The Dong Feng 21D, smarter, and vastly cheaper, could successfully attack a U.S. carrier, or at least deter it from getting too close.
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned of the threat in a speech last September at the Air Force Association Convention.
"When considering the military-modernization programs of countries like China, we should be concerned less with their potential ability to challenge the U.S. symmetrically — fighter to fighter or ship to ship — and more with their ability to disrupt our freedom of movement and narrow our strategic options," he said.
Gates said China's investments in cyber and anti-satellite warfare, anti-air and anti-ship weaponry, along with ballistic missiles, "could threaten America's primary way to project power" through its forward air bases and carrier strike groups.
The Pentagon has been worried for years about China getting an anti-ship ballistic missile. The Pentagon considers such a missile an "anti-access," weapon, meaning that it could deny others access to certain areas.
The Air Force's top surveillance and intelligence officer, Lt. Gen. David Deptula, told reporters this week that China's effort to increase anti-access capability is part of a worrisome trend.
He did not single out the DF 21D, but said: "While we might not fight the Chinese, we may end up in situations where we'll certainly be opposing the equipment that they build and sell around the world."
Questions remain over when — and if — China will perfect the technology; hitting a moving carrier is no mean feat, requiring state-of-the-art guidance systems, and some experts believe it will take China a decade or so to field a reliable threat. Others, however, say final tests of the missile could come in the next year or two.
Former Navy commander James Kraska, a professor of international law and sea power at the U.S. Naval War College, recently wrote a controversial article in the magazine Orbis outlining a hypothetical scenario set just five years from now in which a Deng Feng 21D missile with a penetrator warhead sinks the USS George Washington.
That would usher in a "new epoch of international order in which Beijing emerges to displace the United States."
While China's Defense Ministry never comments on new weapons before they become operational, the DF 21D — which would travel at 10 times the speed of sound and carry conventional payloads — has been much discussed by military buffs online.
A pseudonymous article posted on Xinhuanet, website of China's official news agency, imagines the U.S. dispatching the George Washington to aid Taiwan against a Chinese attack.
The Chinese would respond with three salvos of DF 21D, the first of which would pierce the hull, start fires and shut down flight operations, the article says. The second would knock out its engines and be accompanied by air attacks. The third wave, the article says, would "send the George Washington to the bottom of the ocean."
Comments on the article were mostly positive.:D :D
:D:D
Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance
By ERIC TALMADGE, Associated
Press Writer Eric Talmadge, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 39 mins ago
ABOARD THE USS GEORGE WASHINGTON – Nothing projects U.S. global air and sea power more vividly than supercarriers. Bristling with fighter jets that can reach deep into even landlocked trouble zones, America's virtually invincible carrier fleet has long enforced its dominance of the high seas.
China may soon put an end to that.
U.S. naval planners are scrambling to deal with what analysts say is a game-changing weapon being developed by China — an unprecedented carrier-killing missile called the Dong Feng 21D that could be launched from land with enough accuracy to penetrate the defenses of even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 1,500 kilometers (900 miles).
___
EDITOR'S NOTE — The USS George Washington supercarrier recently deployed off North Korea in a high-profile show of U.S. sea power. AP Tokyo News Editor Eric Talmadge was aboard the carrier, and filed this report.
___
Analysts say final testing of the missile could come as soon as the end of this year, though questions remain about how fast China will be able to perfect its accuracy to the level needed to threaten a moving carrier at sea.
The weapon, a version of which was displayed last year in a Chinese military parade, could revolutionize China's role in the Pacific balance of power, seriously weakening Washington's ability to intervene in any potential conflict over Taiwan or North Korea. It could also deny U.S. ships safe access to international waters near China's 11,200-mile (18,000-kilometer) -long coastline.
While a nuclear bomb could theoretically sink a carrier, assuming its user was willing to raise the stakes to atomic levels, the conventionally-armed Dong Feng 21D's uniqueness is in its ability to hit a powerfully defended moving target with pin-point precision.
The Chinese Defense Ministry did not immediately respond to the AP's request for a comment.
Funded by annual double-digit increases in the defense budget for almost every year of the past two decades, the Chinese navy has become Asia's largest and has expanded beyond its traditional mission of retaking Taiwan to push its sphere of influence deeper into the Pacific and protect vital maritime trade routes.
"The Navy has long had to fear carrier-killing capabilities," said Patrick Cronin, senior director of the Asia-Pacific Security Program at the nonpartisan, Washington-based Center for a New American Security. "The emerging Chinese antiship missile capability, and in particular the DF 21D, represents the first post-Cold War capability that is both potentially capable of stopping our naval power projection and deliberately designed for that purpose."
Setting the stage for a possible conflict, Beijing has grown increasingly vocal in its demands for the U.S. to stay away from the wide swaths of ocean — covering much of the Yellow, East and South China seas — where it claims exclusivity.
It strongly opposed plans to hold U.S.-South Korean war games in the Yellow Sea off the northeastern Chinese coast, saying the participation of the USS George Washington supercarrier, with its 1,092-foot (333-meter) flight deck and 6,250 personnel, would be a provocation because it put Beijing within striking range of U.S. F-18 warplanes.
The carrier instead took part in maneuvers held farther away in the Sea of Japan.
U.S. officials deny Chinese pressure kept it away, and say they will not be told by Beijing where they can operate.
"We reserve the right to exercise in international waters anywhere in the world," Rear Adm. Daniel Cloyd, who headed the U.S. side of the exercises, said aboard the carrier during the maneuvers, which ended last week.
But the new missile, if able to evade the defenses of a carrier and of the vessels sailing with it, could undermine that policy.
"China can reach out and hit the U.S. well before the U.S. can get close enough to the mainland to hit back," said Toshi Yoshihara, an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College. He said U.S. ships have only twice been that vulnerable — against Japan in World War II and against Soviet bombers in the Cold War.
Carrier-killing missiles "could have an enduring psychological effect on U.S. policymakers," he e-mailed to The AP. "It underscores more broadly that the U.S. Navy no longer rules the waves as it has since the end of World War II. The stark reality is that sea control cannot be taken for granted anymore."
Yoshihara said the weapon is causing considerable consternation in Washington, though — with attention focused on land wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — its implications haven't been widely discussed in public.
Analysts note that while much has been made of China's efforts to ready a carrier fleet of its own, it would likely take decades to catch U.S. carrier crews' level of expertise, training and experience.
But Beijing does not need to match the U.S. carrier for carrier. The Dong Feng 21D, smarter, and vastly cheaper, could successfully attack a U.S. carrier, or at least deter it from getting too close.
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned of the threat in a speech last September at the Air Force Association Convention.
"When considering the military-modernization programs of countries like China, we should be concerned less with their potential ability to challenge the U.S. symmetrically — fighter to fighter or ship to ship — and more with their ability to disrupt our freedom of movement and narrow our strategic options," he said.
Gates said China's investments in cyber and anti-satellite warfare, anti-air and anti-ship weaponry, along with ballistic missiles, "could threaten America's primary way to project power" through its forward air bases and carrier strike groups.
The Pentagon has been worried for years about China getting an anti-ship ballistic missile. The Pentagon considers such a missile an "anti-access," weapon, meaning that it could deny others access to certain areas.
The Air Force's top surveillance and intelligence officer, Lt. Gen. David Deptula, told reporters this week that China's effort to increase anti-access capability is part of a worrisome trend.
He did not single out the DF 21D, but said: "While we might not fight the Chinese, we may end up in situations where we'll certainly be opposing the equipment that they build and sell around the world."
Questions remain over when — and if — China will perfect the technology; hitting a moving carrier is no mean feat, requiring state-of-the-art guidance systems, and some experts believe it will take China a decade or so to field a reliable threat. Others, however, say final tests of the missile could come in the next year or two.
Former Navy commander James Kraska, a professor of international law and sea power at the U.S. Naval War College, recently wrote a controversial article in the magazine Orbis outlining a hypothetical scenario set just five years from now in which a Deng Feng 21D missile with a penetrator warhead sinks the USS George Washington.
That would usher in a "new epoch of international order in which Beijing emerges to displace the United States."
While China's Defense Ministry never comments on new weapons before they become operational, the DF 21D — which would travel at 10 times the speed of sound and carry conventional payloads — has been much discussed by military buffs online.
A pseudonymous article posted on Xinhuanet, website of China's official news agency, imagines the U.S. dispatching the George Washington to aid Taiwan against a Chinese attack.
The Chinese would respond with three salvos of DF 21D, the first of which would pierce the hull, start fires and shut down flight operations, the article says. The second would knock out its engines and be accompanied by air attacks. The third wave, the article says, would "send the George Washington to the bottom of the ocean."
Comments on the article were mostly positive.:D :D
从接近3000条回复的内容看，美国“愤青”比天朝上国多。不是多一点点，是多多了。:D
我去读了5页的老美网民回复。。。呵呵，我得说：1. 美国人对中国友好的还真不多，2. 有人说不要从Walmart买中国垃圾货了，那是资助中国的这个导弹，呵呵 3. 美国网民情绪不太稳。。呵呵:D
澳对了，还有2、3位说中国的这个超级武器的技术是从美国偷来的。。。:@
2边都接着忽悠吧。。
我去读了5页的老美网民回复。。。呵呵，我得说：1. 美国人对中国友好的还真不多，2. 有人说不要从Walmart买中国垃圾货了，那是资助中国的这个导弹，呵呵 3. 美国网民情绪不太稳。。呵呵:D
澳对了，还有2、3位说中国的这个超级武器的技术是从美国偷来的。。。:@
2边都接着忽悠吧。。
Hephaistion 发表于 2010-8-6 07:58 
正是。而且由于是yahoo这个垃圾网站，所以军米很少，基本上是“美国第一"de 愤青
正是。而且由于是yahoo这个垃圾网站，所以军米很少，基本上是“美国第一"de 愤青
读了百多条回复，总体印象是：急头白脸、急火攻心，气急败坏，西斯底里。美国人很没有安全感哦。美国人的虚荣心、自尊心比TNND的航母强多了，强太多了；自我感觉不是一般的好，是极好。;P:D:D
X-Wing 发表于 2010-8-6 07:59
的确,在美国是比较排外的
最近白人对西裔,也就是从墨西哥那边来的人特别反感,因为亚利桑那州的非法移民法案抄得沸沸扬扬,最高法院,白宫,国会三方都牵扯进去,甚至有人提出要修宪,总之搞得非常不和谐{:yan:}
的确,在美国是比较排外的
最近白人对西裔,也就是从墨西哥那边来的人特别反感,因为亚利桑那州的非法移民法案抄得沸沸扬扬,最高法院,白宫,国会三方都牵扯进去,甚至有人提出要修宪,总之搞得非常不和谐{:yan:}
就不知道上次网上调查中国在校青年,为什么这么多人对美国有好感.......
“弹道导弹打航母'不管真实性如何，是我军一个比较成功的“战略忽悠” ？ :D
“弹道导弹打航母”，我看行！ 早晚行！
“弹道导弹打航母”，我看行！ 早晚行！
不管能不能打出去，先吓死美国佬再说
回复 9# liuci999
原因很简单：
1，美国确实先进，各方面，包括文化和宣传。
2，国内宣传的片面性，多讲好的，不讲坏的。而无论好坏，分析得不深刻，知其然不知其所以然。
3，美国的国际地位和作用。
4，没有去过美国，没有对美国的真正体验。感官仅仅来自媒体，照片甚至道听途说。认为美国都是富人，很自由，可以随便发表自己的见解，政府的办事效率很高等。
5，对全球政治经济军事漠不关心
6，没有与美国人打交道的经历
7，天真地认为“丛林法则”已经成为过去，世界上所有的国家是平等的。
原因很简单：
1，美国确实先进，各方面，包括文化和宣传。
2，国内宣传的片面性，多讲好的，不讲坏的。而无论好坏，分析得不深刻，知其然不知其所以然。
3，美国的国际地位和作用。
4，没有去过美国，没有对美国的真正体验。感官仅仅来自媒体，照片甚至道听途说。认为美国都是富人，很自由，可以随便发表自己的见解，政府的办事效率很高等。
5，对全球政治经济军事漠不关心
6，没有与美国人打交道的经历
7，天真地认为“丛林法则”已经成为过去，世界上所有的国家是平等的。
真的?那靶子可是要费很多钱呀.
气急败坏的美国小愤青们。
X-Wing 发表于 2010-8-6 07:59
不觉得跟我们的网易啊什么的关于军事新闻的回复挺像么，发泄都是从制抵X货开始的……
不觉得跟我们的网易啊什么的关于军事新闻的回复挺像么，发泄都是从制抵X货开始的……
liuci999 发表于 2010-8-6 08:11
从人人网上有人宣扬“美国人选总统都是一人一票，我们要是被美国合并了还能选出个华人总统……”云云，就知道了，他们喜欢的不是地球上的美国，是他们片面想象中的美国。
从人人网上有人宣扬“美国人选总统都是一人一票，我们要是被美国合并了还能选出个华人总统……”云云，就知道了，他们喜欢的不是地球上的美国，是他们片面想象中的美国。
等JY出现{:jian:}
不管这个导弹是否真的存在。。
至少TG在忽悠上是成功的。。
成功的在MD心里种下了一颗种子。。
嘿嘿，以后MD航母有得玩了。。
至少TG在忽悠上是成功的。。
成功的在MD心里种下了一颗种子。。
嘿嘿，以后MD航母有得玩了。。
其实美国多数普通人也是很自闭的，整天上班下班，对外界了解甚少，而且自己还没有了解外部世界的意愿，被忽悠的以为只有美国才是天堂。呵呵
这个概念最早就是美帝自己提出来的,而最早拥有接近实战效果的,是美帝上世纪的潘兴某变异...
说到FQ,哪个国家的强力组织都喜欢耸蛹其为自己捞利益.最后被卖了还帮人数钱.
说到FQ,哪个国家的强力组织都喜欢耸蛹其为自己捞利益.最后被卖了还帮人数钱.
X-Wing 发表于 2010-8-6 07:59
美国佬有种就别买中国货阿,看看他们怎么活
美国佬有种就别买中国货阿,看看他们怎么活
回复 16# 青色的雪
那孩子他妈生他的时候没给大脑给他？
那孩子他妈生他的时候没给大脑给他？
liuci999 发表于 2010-8-6 08:11
首先美国比中国是好,无论社会制度,法制化程度等等,大部分都比中国好很多,这个不能否认
其次就是他们只看到了美国好的一面,但没有看到美国不好的一面
首先美国比中国是好,无论社会制度,法制化程度等等,大部分都比中国好很多,这个不能否认
其次就是他们只看到了美国好的一面,但没有看到美国不好的一面
青色的雪 发表于 2010-8-6 10:00
我晕,这年头还有人不知道美国总统是选举人制度的?
要是人人一票,当年布什能上台?
我晕,这年头还有人不知道美国总统是选举人制度的?
要是人人一票,当年布什能上台?
{:3_97:}弹道导弹打航母，PLA V5！！！！！
航妈说，被捅菊花很痛的，还是在射程外呆着好
广东的大海 发表于 2010-8-6 11:23
就算真的是一票一票选出来又能怎么样？就算真的选个华人总统又能怎样？
《美国黑帮》里面有这么一句话：我为之工作的那个人，在纽约城里经营着一家规模最大的公司，但是，他没办法拥有它，因为只有白人才能拥有它，所以他们支配着他。
就算真的是一票一票选出来又能怎么样？就算真的选个华人总统又能怎样？
《美国黑帮》里面有这么一句话：我为之工作的那个人，在纽约城里经营着一家规模最大的公司，但是，他没办法拥有它，因为只有白人才能拥有它，所以他们支配着他。