超级军网武汉高铁４年就建成通车后，美国网民的反应
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来自中华网社区 club.china.com/武汉高铁４年就建成通车后，美国网民的反应:
美国很热门的政治讨论类论坛freerepublic上网民看到中国的武汉那条世界最快的铁路只用了４年就建成通车后，情绪激动，以下是美国人的回复和简要翻译：
It is amazing how quickly things may be built when you don't have to worry about appeasing the environmentalist. It's as simple as that.
1 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:20:36 by OldDeckHand
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我很惊讶, 在没有环保主义疯子干扰下, 工程的进度可以如此之快
China is doing incredible things while we rot and decay ...
4 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:27:30 by Scythian
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中国正在创造伟大,而我们却在腐烂和衰败
I have to admit that I love the station architecture. Bright and open with the trains right out on center stage, not shoved into a dark basement like they are at Union Station here in Chicago. The Chinese measure their success by the things they build, and they are justly proud of their feats of engineering. Where we turn out ethnic studies graduates they turn out electrical engineers.
I worry most about adversaries that are builders. The fanatics burn out, you can outlast them like we did with the Russians. The thieves destroy themselves. But the builders grow stronger with every day that goes by.
5 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:27:54 by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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必须承认,我很喜欢他们明亮的火车站设计,比芝加哥那个灰色阴暗的火车站强多了.
中国人用伟大的工程来衡量他们的成就, 为自己的工程奇迹自豪,而我们现在成天浪费时间在种族关系学科上,他们则学习电子工程.
我最担心我们对手的实力就是他们的工程师,狂热的意识形态信徒很好对付,就如我们对付俄国人那样, 但工程师会每时每刻不断变强.
To: OldDeckHand
I also note that there were no UNION Thugs/Leeches getting their 25% cut on this deal and drawing this construction out to a typical 15-25 years.
For a comparison compare notes on the Boston Big Dig which was 350% over budget and still 20+ years overdue... but hey its a Democrat construction job in a overwhelmingly democrat state.
9 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:34:33 by prophetic (0Bama = 1 illegal president = 32 illegal, unconstitutional & unnecessary CZARS to do his job!!)
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他们根本没有工会的吸血鬼
看看我们的波士顿的工程,由于贪婪的工会吸血鬼,预算超支350%,还得延期20年以上, 这就是民主党的建筑效率,民主党的国家
Our engineers told the Chinese the Burma Road would cost millions and take 10+ years. They did it in a year for peanuts.
17 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:46:12 by moehoward
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我们的工程师告诉缅甸那路需要大量金钱和10多年才能建成, 结果中国人用了1年和很小的花费就建成了那路
China has been a society of builders from before the Communists, and will still be builders long after they are gone. The Grand Canal, Great Wall, in the same way that militant civilizations celebrate their generals builder civilizations celebrate their engineers. America was once a builder civilization. We celebrated the skyscrapers of New York and Chicago, the Hoover dam, and the Saturn V moon rocket. Today we celebrate Tiger Woods and Lady GaGa. Something happened in the 1960's we changed from builders to consumers. We lived for 50 years on the legacy built up by 184 years of frantic building. But that legacy is exhausted and we much now either rediscover our builder heritage, or become another Rome, that once built great things, and now survives by selling tours of the ruins.
19 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:48:38 by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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中国在共产党以前就是个建造者的文明,大运河,长城,就如好战者庆祝他们的将军一样庆祝自己的工程师.
我们美国以前也是建造者的文明,我们曾经为纽约和芝加哥的摩天大楼,胡佛大坝,土星5火箭无比自豪, 而现在我们却只关心体育和娱乐明星的花边新闻, 我们已经50年来躺在我们父辈180多年的艰辛劳动的遗产上睡大觉了,等老本吃光后,我们要么重拾祖先建造者的传统, 要么像罗马帝国那样,曾经建造了伟大,现在则靠祖先遗产的废墟吸引游客来度日.
California is still waiting for its LA to SF high speed rail line to be built. Which will take a lot longer than four years!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
20 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:50:12 by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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加州还在等待落山及到旧金山的高速铁路计划的批注，这审批已经超过4年了，而中国人已经把铁路造完了
Yeah, we couldn’t finish environmental impact studies in four years.
If we tried to build a transcontinental, high speed rail line, the Chinese & Japanese would be using Star Trek style transporters before we ran the first train.
22 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:02:54 by sjmjax
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是啊，我们还没研究完其对环境的影响呢
我估计等我们的高速铁路建成通车时，中国人，日本人的星际旅行服务都开通了
And the 9/11 site IS STILL A HOLE IN THE GROUND
23 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:02:58 by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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中国高铁４年通车，而我们的９／１１遗址现在还是个大土坑。。。
Up here in the People’s Republic of Vermont we have been trying to get a ring road built around Chittenden County for more than 30 years. A road. One fricken road.
24 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:08:05 by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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我们佛蒙特州的一条环城公路已经耽误了３０年还没搞定呢，就一条破路
The phrase heard around the Big Dig project was “don’t kill the job”, which meant don’t get the job done right the first time. Or even the second.
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波士顿那延期２０年预算超标３５０％的工程，现在还在“没有减少就业机会”的阶段，也就是说，大概我们还得试２－３次才能知道成功与否（讽刺）
What a remarkable feat of engineering!!!
I wish we could build something like that. But unfortunately we lack the engineers/specialists due to an educational system that’s geared towards creating unproductive serfs.
28 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:15:14 by artaxerces
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多伟大的工程啊，真希望我们美国也能做这个，可惜我们现在没有工程师和技术专家了，我们的教育系统现在只出酒囊饭袋。
Faster and cheaper as well, since these trains run on electricity(which can be generated locally) rather than imported petroleum based jet fuel.
32 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:22:01 by artaxerces
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既比我们的快，也比我们的便宜，用电而不需要进口石油
That and not having to wait around for shipments of parts from China because you only ship them within your country which happens to be China where everything in the world is made anyways.
33 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:22:53 by GraceG
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劳动力便宜，而且全世界的东西现在都是中国生产的，因此运输也快，大概这就是为什么中国人能这么快搞定吧
">>Never under estimate the power of a cheap and well educated labor force...<<" If labor cost was the only factor, than India and Africa would be building such systems as well. China has the huge numbers of competent engineers and technicians necessary to pull this off.
35 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:26:03 by artaxerces
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中国有既便宜又高素质的劳动力，这是成功的关键，印度和非洲的劳动力只是便宜，只有中国有这能力完成超级工程。
As opposed to Ground Zero.
Eight years later, that's still a hole in the ground.
36 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:28:38 by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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跟我们的世贸中心遗址形成鲜明对比，８年过去了，现在还是个大土坑
"Totalitarian regimes are always efficient but ineffective."
I'm not sure I would agree with the "ineffective" part - nefarious to be sure, but not ineffective.
Unlike the Soviets Union, who didn't engage in the kind of super-Neo-Capitalism that China does, I don't believe that China will collapse under the weight of itself. China has somehow managed to maintain a firm grip on its citizens, while also using the unquestionable benefits of its manufacturing and trade policies with the west. We are, for the first time in history, supplying the capital requirements of our enemy through the mechanism of (somewhat) free markets. It's a very strange dynamic, and one that - so far - China has been very adept at exploiting.
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集权国家既有效率又没效率？
我不同意中国效率低
跟苏联不同，中国现在在经济上搞得是超级新资本主义，效率极高，我不指望中国会像苏联那样由于自己经济的缺陷而崩溃，中国现在通过跟西方的贸易，很牢固的掌握了国内的民心。
而我们，感谢自由市场经济，历史上第一次向我们的敌人输出资本，而中国人现在很会利用这点来削弱我们。
Some people talk and other people do. Can you figure out which we are now?
53 posted on 2009年12月28日 22:26:34 by dmanLA
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一些人做实事，一些人说大话，我们现在是那种？
A great society is not defined solely by the big buildings and monuments it builds. Most of the world’s greatest inventions of the past century that made our lives better, longer and easier were made in the USA.
55 posted on 2009年12月28日 22:31:45 by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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伟大的社会不光靠建筑成就来定义，人类上世纪大部分科技发明都是美国创造的
That is very true. We must also remember that during the 19th century, the U.S was the greatest perpetrator of technological theft/industrial espionage in the entire world. And considering that China is now in the top 3 in terms of annual technology patents when 20 years ago, it wasn’t in the top 50, this is alarming news.
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确实如此，不过别忘了，１９世纪时美国是全世界侵犯知识产权和抄袭模仿最多的国家，中国现在已经是世界上申请技术专利第三多的国家了，而２０年前，他们连前５０都不算，这是令人警醒的信号来自中华网社区 club.china.com/武汉高铁４年就建成通车后，美国网民的反应:
美国很热门的政治讨论类论坛freerepublic上网民看到中国的武汉那条世界最快的铁路只用了４年就建成通车后，情绪激动，以下是美国人的回复和简要翻译：
It is amazing how quickly things may be built when you don't have to worry about appeasing the environmentalist. It's as simple as that.
1 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:20:36 by OldDeckHand
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我很惊讶, 在没有环保主义疯子干扰下, 工程的进度可以如此之快
China is doing incredible things while we rot and decay ...
4 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:27:30 by Scythian
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中国正在创造伟大,而我们却在腐烂和衰败
I have to admit that I love the station architecture. Bright and open with the trains right out on center stage, not shoved into a dark basement like they are at Union Station here in Chicago. The Chinese measure their success by the things they build, and they are justly proud of their feats of engineering. Where we turn out ethnic studies graduates they turn out electrical engineers.
I worry most about adversaries that are builders. The fanatics burn out, you can outlast them like we did with the Russians. The thieves destroy themselves. But the builders grow stronger with every day that goes by.
5 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:27:54 by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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必须承认,我很喜欢他们明亮的火车站设计,比芝加哥那个灰色阴暗的火车站强多了.
中国人用伟大的工程来衡量他们的成就, 为自己的工程奇迹自豪,而我们现在成天浪费时间在种族关系学科上,他们则学习电子工程.
我最担心我们对手的实力就是他们的工程师,狂热的意识形态信徒很好对付,就如我们对付俄国人那样, 但工程师会每时每刻不断变强.
To: OldDeckHand
I also note that there were no UNION Thugs/Leeches getting their 25% cut on this deal and drawing this construction out to a typical 15-25 years.
For a comparison compare notes on the Boston Big Dig which was 350% over budget and still 20+ years overdue... but hey its a Democrat construction job in a overwhelmingly democrat state.
9 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:34:33 by prophetic (0Bama = 1 illegal president = 32 illegal, unconstitutional & unnecessary CZARS to do his job!!)
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他们根本没有工会的吸血鬼
看看我们的波士顿的工程,由于贪婪的工会吸血鬼,预算超支350%,还得延期20年以上, 这就是民主党的建筑效率,民主党的国家
Our engineers told the Chinese the Burma Road would cost millions and take 10+ years. They did it in a year for peanuts.
17 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:46:12 by moehoward
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我们的工程师告诉缅甸那路需要大量金钱和10多年才能建成, 结果中国人用了1年和很小的花费就建成了那路
China has been a society of builders from before the Communists, and will still be builders long after they are gone. The Grand Canal, Great Wall, in the same way that militant civilizations celebrate their generals builder civilizations celebrate their engineers. America was once a builder civilization. We celebrated the skyscrapers of New York and Chicago, the Hoover dam, and the Saturn V moon rocket. Today we celebrate Tiger Woods and Lady GaGa. Something happened in the 1960's we changed from builders to consumers. We lived for 50 years on the legacy built up by 184 years of frantic building. But that legacy is exhausted and we much now either rediscover our builder heritage, or become another Rome, that once built great things, and now survives by selling tours of the ruins.
19 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:48:38 by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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中国在共产党以前就是个建造者的文明,大运河,长城,就如好战者庆祝他们的将军一样庆祝自己的工程师.
我们美国以前也是建造者的文明,我们曾经为纽约和芝加哥的摩天大楼,胡佛大坝,土星5火箭无比自豪, 而现在我们却只关心体育和娱乐明星的花边新闻, 我们已经50年来躺在我们父辈180多年的艰辛劳动的遗产上睡大觉了,等老本吃光后,我们要么重拾祖先建造者的传统, 要么像罗马帝国那样,曾经建造了伟大,现在则靠祖先遗产的废墟吸引游客来度日.
California is still waiting for its LA to SF high speed rail line to be built. Which will take a lot longer than four years!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
20 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:50:12 by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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加州还在等待落山及到旧金山的高速铁路计划的批注，这审批已经超过4年了，而中国人已经把铁路造完了
Yeah, we couldn’t finish environmental impact studies in four years.
If we tried to build a transcontinental, high speed rail line, the Chinese & Japanese would be using Star Trek style transporters before we ran the first train.
22 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:02:54 by sjmjax
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是啊，我们还没研究完其对环境的影响呢
我估计等我们的高速铁路建成通车时，中国人，日本人的星际旅行服务都开通了
And the 9/11 site IS STILL A HOLE IN THE GROUND
23 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:02:58 by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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中国高铁４年通车，而我们的９／１１遗址现在还是个大土坑。。。
Up here in the People’s Republic of Vermont we have been trying to get a ring road built around Chittenden County for more than 30 years. A road. One fricken road.
24 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:08:05 by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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我们佛蒙特州的一条环城公路已经耽误了３０年还没搞定呢，就一条破路
The phrase heard around the Big Dig project was “don’t kill the job”, which meant don’t get the job done right the first time. Or even the second.
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波士顿那延期２０年预算超标３５０％的工程，现在还在“没有减少就业机会”的阶段，也就是说，大概我们还得试２－３次才能知道成功与否（讽刺）
What a remarkable feat of engineering!!!
I wish we could build something like that. But unfortunately we lack the engineers/specialists due to an educational system that’s geared towards creating unproductive serfs.
28 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:15:14 by artaxerces
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多伟大的工程啊，真希望我们美国也能做这个，可惜我们现在没有工程师和技术专家了，我们的教育系统现在只出酒囊饭袋。
Faster and cheaper as well, since these trains run on electricity(which can be generated locally) rather than imported petroleum based jet fuel.
32 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:22:01 by artaxerces
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既比我们的快，也比我们的便宜，用电而不需要进口石油
That and not having to wait around for shipments of parts from China because you only ship them within your country which happens to be China where everything in the world is made anyways.
33 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:22:53 by GraceG
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劳动力便宜，而且全世界的东西现在都是中国生产的，因此运输也快，大概这就是为什么中国人能这么快搞定吧
">>Never under estimate the power of a cheap and well educated labor force...<<" If labor cost was the only factor, than India and Africa would be building such systems as well. China has the huge numbers of competent engineers and technicians necessary to pull this off.
35 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:26:03 by artaxerces
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中国有既便宜又高素质的劳动力，这是成功的关键，印度和非洲的劳动力只是便宜，只有中国有这能力完成超级工程。
As opposed to Ground Zero.
Eight years later, that's still a hole in the ground.
36 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:28:38 by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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跟我们的世贸中心遗址形成鲜明对比，８年过去了，现在还是个大土坑
"Totalitarian regimes are always efficient but ineffective."
I'm not sure I would agree with the "ineffective" part - nefarious to be sure, but not ineffective.
Unlike the Soviets Union, who didn't engage in the kind of super-Neo-Capitalism that China does, I don't believe that China will collapse under the weight of itself. China has somehow managed to maintain a firm grip on its citizens, while also using the unquestionable benefits of its manufacturing and trade policies with the west. We are, for the first time in history, supplying the capital requirements of our enemy through the mechanism of (somewhat) free markets. It's a very strange dynamic, and one that - so far - China has been very adept at exploiting.
＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝
集权国家既有效率又没效率？
我不同意中国效率低
跟苏联不同，中国现在在经济上搞得是超级新资本主义，效率极高，我不指望中国会像苏联那样由于自己经济的缺陷而崩溃，中国现在通过跟西方的贸易，很牢固的掌握了国内的民心。
而我们，感谢自由市场经济，历史上第一次向我们的敌人输出资本，而中国人现在很会利用这点来削弱我们。
Some people talk and other people do. Can you figure out which we are now?
53 posted on 2009年12月28日 22:26:34 by dmanLA
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一些人做实事，一些人说大话，我们现在是那种？
A great society is not defined solely by the big buildings and monuments it builds. Most of the world’s greatest inventions of the past century that made our lives better, longer and easier were made in the USA.
55 posted on 2009年12月28日 22:31:45 by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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伟大的社会不光靠建筑成就来定义，人类上世纪大部分科技发明都是美国创造的
That is very true. We must also remember that during the 19th century, the U.S was the greatest perpetrator of technological theft/industrial espionage in the entire world. And considering that China is now in the top 3 in terms of annual technology patents when 20 years ago, it wasn’t in the top 50, this is alarming news.
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确实如此，不过别忘了，１９世纪时美国是全世界侵犯知识产权和抄袭模仿最多的国家，中国现在已经是世界上申请技术专利第三多的国家了，而２０年前，他们连前５０都不算，这是令人警醒的信号
美国很热门的政治讨论类论坛freerepublic上网民看到中国的武汉那条世界最快的铁路只用了４年就建成通车后，情绪激动，以下是美国人的回复和简要翻译：
It is amazing how quickly things may be built when you don't have to worry about appeasing the environmentalist. It's as simple as that.
1 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:20:36 by OldDeckHand
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我很惊讶, 在没有环保主义疯子干扰下, 工程的进度可以如此之快
China is doing incredible things while we rot and decay ...
4 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:27:30 by Scythian
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中国正在创造伟大,而我们却在腐烂和衰败
I have to admit that I love the station architecture. Bright and open with the trains right out on center stage, not shoved into a dark basement like they are at Union Station here in Chicago. The Chinese measure their success by the things they build, and they are justly proud of their feats of engineering. Where we turn out ethnic studies graduates they turn out electrical engineers.
I worry most about adversaries that are builders. The fanatics burn out, you can outlast them like we did with the Russians. The thieves destroy themselves. But the builders grow stronger with every day that goes by.
5 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:27:54 by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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必须承认,我很喜欢他们明亮的火车站设计,比芝加哥那个灰色阴暗的火车站强多了.
中国人用伟大的工程来衡量他们的成就, 为自己的工程奇迹自豪,而我们现在成天浪费时间在种族关系学科上,他们则学习电子工程.
我最担心我们对手的实力就是他们的工程师,狂热的意识形态信徒很好对付,就如我们对付俄国人那样, 但工程师会每时每刻不断变强.
To: OldDeckHand
I also note that there were no UNION Thugs/Leeches getting their 25% cut on this deal and drawing this construction out to a typical 15-25 years.
For a comparison compare notes on the Boston Big Dig which was 350% over budget and still 20+ years overdue... but hey its a Democrat construction job in a overwhelmingly democrat state.
9 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:34:33 by prophetic (0Bama = 1 illegal president = 32 illegal, unconstitutional & unnecessary CZARS to do his job!!)
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他们根本没有工会的吸血鬼
看看我们的波士顿的工程,由于贪婪的工会吸血鬼,预算超支350%,还得延期20年以上, 这就是民主党的建筑效率,民主党的国家
Our engineers told the Chinese the Burma Road would cost millions and take 10+ years. They did it in a year for peanuts.
17 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:46:12 by moehoward
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我们的工程师告诉缅甸那路需要大量金钱和10多年才能建成, 结果中国人用了1年和很小的花费就建成了那路
China has been a society of builders from before the Communists, and will still be builders long after they are gone. The Grand Canal, Great Wall, in the same way that militant civilizations celebrate their generals builder civilizations celebrate their engineers. America was once a builder civilization. We celebrated the skyscrapers of New York and Chicago, the Hoover dam, and the Saturn V moon rocket. Today we celebrate Tiger Woods and Lady GaGa. Something happened in the 1960's we changed from builders to consumers. We lived for 50 years on the legacy built up by 184 years of frantic building. But that legacy is exhausted and we much now either rediscover our builder heritage, or become another Rome, that once built great things, and now survives by selling tours of the ruins.
19 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:48:38 by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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中国在共产党以前就是个建造者的文明,大运河,长城,就如好战者庆祝他们的将军一样庆祝自己的工程师.
我们美国以前也是建造者的文明,我们曾经为纽约和芝加哥的摩天大楼,胡佛大坝,土星5火箭无比自豪, 而现在我们却只关心体育和娱乐明星的花边新闻, 我们已经50年来躺在我们父辈180多年的艰辛劳动的遗产上睡大觉了,等老本吃光后,我们要么重拾祖先建造者的传统, 要么像罗马帝国那样,曾经建造了伟大,现在则靠祖先遗产的废墟吸引游客来度日.
California is still waiting for its LA to SF high speed rail line to be built. Which will take a lot longer than four years!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
20 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:50:12 by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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加州还在等待落山及到旧金山的高速铁路计划的批注，这审批已经超过4年了，而中国人已经把铁路造完了
Yeah, we couldn’t finish environmental impact studies in four years.
If we tried to build a transcontinental, high speed rail line, the Chinese & Japanese would be using Star Trek style transporters before we ran the first train.
22 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:02:54 by sjmjax
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是啊，我们还没研究完其对环境的影响呢
我估计等我们的高速铁路建成通车时，中国人，日本人的星际旅行服务都开通了
And the 9/11 site IS STILL A HOLE IN THE GROUND
23 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:02:58 by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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中国高铁４年通车，而我们的９／１１遗址现在还是个大土坑。。。
Up here in the People’s Republic of Vermont we have been trying to get a ring road built around Chittenden County for more than 30 years. A road. One fricken road.
24 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:08:05 by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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我们佛蒙特州的一条环城公路已经耽误了３０年还没搞定呢，就一条破路
The phrase heard around the Big Dig project was “don’t kill the job”, which meant don’t get the job done right the first time. Or even the second.
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波士顿那延期２０年预算超标３５０％的工程，现在还在“没有减少就业机会”的阶段，也就是说，大概我们还得试２－３次才能知道成功与否（讽刺）
What a remarkable feat of engineering!!!
I wish we could build something like that. But unfortunately we lack the engineers/specialists due to an educational system that’s geared towards creating unproductive serfs.
28 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:15:14 by artaxerces
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多伟大的工程啊，真希望我们美国也能做这个，可惜我们现在没有工程师和技术专家了，我们的教育系统现在只出酒囊饭袋。
Faster and cheaper as well, since these trains run on electricity(which can be generated locally) rather than imported petroleum based jet fuel.
32 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:22:01 by artaxerces
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既比我们的快，也比我们的便宜，用电而不需要进口石油
That and not having to wait around for shipments of parts from China because you only ship them within your country which happens to be China where everything in the world is made anyways.
33 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:22:53 by GraceG
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劳动力便宜，而且全世界的东西现在都是中国生产的，因此运输也快，大概这就是为什么中国人能这么快搞定吧
">>Never under estimate the power of a cheap and well educated labor force...<<" If labor cost was the only factor, than India and Africa would be building such systems as well. China has the huge numbers of competent engineers and technicians necessary to pull this off.
35 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:26:03 by artaxerces
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中国有既便宜又高素质的劳动力，这是成功的关键，印度和非洲的劳动力只是便宜，只有中国有这能力完成超级工程。
As opposed to Ground Zero.
Eight years later, that's still a hole in the ground.
36 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:28:38 by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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跟我们的世贸中心遗址形成鲜明对比，８年过去了，现在还是个大土坑
"Totalitarian regimes are always efficient but ineffective."
I'm not sure I would agree with the "ineffective" part - nefarious to be sure, but not ineffective.
Unlike the Soviets Union, who didn't engage in the kind of super-Neo-Capitalism that China does, I don't believe that China will collapse under the weight of itself. China has somehow managed to maintain a firm grip on its citizens, while also using the unquestionable benefits of its manufacturing and trade policies with the west. We are, for the first time in history, supplying the capital requirements of our enemy through the mechanism of (somewhat) free markets. It's a very strange dynamic, and one that - so far - China has been very adept at exploiting.
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集权国家既有效率又没效率？
我不同意中国效率低
跟苏联不同，中国现在在经济上搞得是超级新资本主义，效率极高，我不指望中国会像苏联那样由于自己经济的缺陷而崩溃，中国现在通过跟西方的贸易，很牢固的掌握了国内的民心。
而我们，感谢自由市场经济，历史上第一次向我们的敌人输出资本，而中国人现在很会利用这点来削弱我们。
Some people talk and other people do. Can you figure out which we are now?
53 posted on 2009年12月28日 22:26:34 by dmanLA
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一些人做实事，一些人说大话，我们现在是那种？
A great society is not defined solely by the big buildings and monuments it builds. Most of the world’s greatest inventions of the past century that made our lives better, longer and easier were made in the USA.
55 posted on 2009年12月28日 22:31:45 by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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伟大的社会不光靠建筑成就来定义，人类上世纪大部分科技发明都是美国创造的
That is very true. We must also remember that during the 19th century, the U.S was the greatest perpetrator of technological theft/industrial espionage in the entire world. And considering that China is now in the top 3 in terms of annual technology patents when 20 years ago, it wasn’t in the top 50, this is alarming news.
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确实如此，不过别忘了，１９世纪时美国是全世界侵犯知识产权和抄袭模仿最多的国家，中国现在已经是世界上申请技术专利第三多的国家了，而２０年前，他们连前５０都不算，这是令人警醒的信号来自中华网社区 club.china.com/武汉高铁４年就建成通车后，美国网民的反应:
美国很热门的政治讨论类论坛freerepublic上网民看到中国的武汉那条世界最快的铁路只用了４年就建成通车后，情绪激动，以下是美国人的回复和简要翻译：
It is amazing how quickly things may be built when you don't have to worry about appeasing the environmentalist. It's as simple as that.
1 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:20:36 by OldDeckHand
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我很惊讶, 在没有环保主义疯子干扰下, 工程的进度可以如此之快
China is doing incredible things while we rot and decay ...
4 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:27:30 by Scythian
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中国正在创造伟大,而我们却在腐烂和衰败
I have to admit that I love the station architecture. Bright and open with the trains right out on center stage, not shoved into a dark basement like they are at Union Station here in Chicago. The Chinese measure their success by the things they build, and they are justly proud of their feats of engineering. Where we turn out ethnic studies graduates they turn out electrical engineers.
I worry most about adversaries that are builders. The fanatics burn out, you can outlast them like we did with the Russians. The thieves destroy themselves. But the builders grow stronger with every day that goes by.
5 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:27:54 by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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必须承认,我很喜欢他们明亮的火车站设计,比芝加哥那个灰色阴暗的火车站强多了.
中国人用伟大的工程来衡量他们的成就, 为自己的工程奇迹自豪,而我们现在成天浪费时间在种族关系学科上,他们则学习电子工程.
我最担心我们对手的实力就是他们的工程师,狂热的意识形态信徒很好对付,就如我们对付俄国人那样, 但工程师会每时每刻不断变强.
To: OldDeckHand
I also note that there were no UNION Thugs/Leeches getting their 25% cut on this deal and drawing this construction out to a typical 15-25 years.
For a comparison compare notes on the Boston Big Dig which was 350% over budget and still 20+ years overdue... but hey its a Democrat construction job in a overwhelmingly democrat state.
9 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:34:33 by prophetic (0Bama = 1 illegal president = 32 illegal, unconstitutional & unnecessary CZARS to do his job!!)
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他们根本没有工会的吸血鬼
看看我们的波士顿的工程,由于贪婪的工会吸血鬼,预算超支350%,还得延期20年以上, 这就是民主党的建筑效率,民主党的国家
Our engineers told the Chinese the Burma Road would cost millions and take 10+ years. They did it in a year for peanuts.
17 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:46:12 by moehoward
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我们的工程师告诉缅甸那路需要大量金钱和10多年才能建成, 结果中国人用了1年和很小的花费就建成了那路
China has been a society of builders from before the Communists, and will still be builders long after they are gone. The Grand Canal, Great Wall, in the same way that militant civilizations celebrate their generals builder civilizations celebrate their engineers. America was once a builder civilization. We celebrated the skyscrapers of New York and Chicago, the Hoover dam, and the Saturn V moon rocket. Today we celebrate Tiger Woods and Lady GaGa. Something happened in the 1960's we changed from builders to consumers. We lived for 50 years on the legacy built up by 184 years of frantic building. But that legacy is exhausted and we much now either rediscover our builder heritage, or become another Rome, that once built great things, and now survives by selling tours of the ruins.
19 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:48:38 by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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中国在共产党以前就是个建造者的文明,大运河,长城,就如好战者庆祝他们的将军一样庆祝自己的工程师.
我们美国以前也是建造者的文明,我们曾经为纽约和芝加哥的摩天大楼,胡佛大坝,土星5火箭无比自豪, 而现在我们却只关心体育和娱乐明星的花边新闻, 我们已经50年来躺在我们父辈180多年的艰辛劳动的遗产上睡大觉了,等老本吃光后,我们要么重拾祖先建造者的传统, 要么像罗马帝国那样,曾经建造了伟大,现在则靠祖先遗产的废墟吸引游客来度日.
California is still waiting for its LA to SF high speed rail line to be built. Which will take a lot longer than four years!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
20 posted on 2009年12月28日 20:50:12 by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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加州还在等待落山及到旧金山的高速铁路计划的批注，这审批已经超过4年了，而中国人已经把铁路造完了
Yeah, we couldn’t finish environmental impact studies in four years.
If we tried to build a transcontinental, high speed rail line, the Chinese & Japanese would be using Star Trek style transporters before we ran the first train.
22 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:02:54 by sjmjax
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是啊，我们还没研究完其对环境的影响呢
我估计等我们的高速铁路建成通车时，中国人，日本人的星际旅行服务都开通了
And the 9/11 site IS STILL A HOLE IN THE GROUND
23 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:02:58 by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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中国高铁４年通车，而我们的９／１１遗址现在还是个大土坑。。。
Up here in the People’s Republic of Vermont we have been trying to get a ring road built around Chittenden County for more than 30 years. A road. One fricken road.
24 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:08:05 by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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我们佛蒙特州的一条环城公路已经耽误了３０年还没搞定呢，就一条破路
The phrase heard around the Big Dig project was “don’t kill the job”, which meant don’t get the job done right the first time. Or even the second.
===============================================
波士顿那延期２０年预算超标３５０％的工程，现在还在“没有减少就业机会”的阶段，也就是说，大概我们还得试２－３次才能知道成功与否（讽刺）
What a remarkable feat of engineering!!!
I wish we could build something like that. But unfortunately we lack the engineers/specialists due to an educational system that’s geared towards creating unproductive serfs.
28 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:15:14 by artaxerces
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多伟大的工程啊，真希望我们美国也能做这个，可惜我们现在没有工程师和技术专家了，我们的教育系统现在只出酒囊饭袋。
Faster and cheaper as well, since these trains run on electricity(which can be generated locally) rather than imported petroleum based jet fuel.
32 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:22:01 by artaxerces
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既比我们的快，也比我们的便宜，用电而不需要进口石油
That and not having to wait around for shipments of parts from China because you only ship them within your country which happens to be China where everything in the world is made anyways.
33 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:22:53 by GraceG
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劳动力便宜，而且全世界的东西现在都是中国生产的，因此运输也快，大概这就是为什么中国人能这么快搞定吧
">>Never under estimate the power of a cheap and well educated labor force...<<" If labor cost was the only factor, than India and Africa would be building such systems as well. China has the huge numbers of competent engineers and technicians necessary to pull this off.
35 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:26:03 by artaxerces
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中国有既便宜又高素质的劳动力，这是成功的关键，印度和非洲的劳动力只是便宜，只有中国有这能力完成超级工程。
As opposed to Ground Zero.
Eight years later, that's still a hole in the ground.
36 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:28:38 by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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跟我们的世贸中心遗址形成鲜明对比，８年过去了，现在还是个大土坑
"Totalitarian regimes are always efficient but ineffective."
I'm not sure I would agree with the "ineffective" part - nefarious to be sure, but not ineffective.
Unlike the Soviets Union, who didn't engage in the kind of super-Neo-Capitalism that China does, I don't believe that China will collapse under the weight of itself. China has somehow managed to maintain a firm grip on its citizens, while also using the unquestionable benefits of its manufacturing and trade policies with the west. We are, for the first time in history, supplying the capital requirements of our enemy through the mechanism of (somewhat) free markets. It's a very strange dynamic, and one that - so far - China has been very adept at exploiting.
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集权国家既有效率又没效率？
我不同意中国效率低
跟苏联不同，中国现在在经济上搞得是超级新资本主义，效率极高，我不指望中国会像苏联那样由于自己经济的缺陷而崩溃，中国现在通过跟西方的贸易，很牢固的掌握了国内的民心。
而我们，感谢自由市场经济，历史上第一次向我们的敌人输出资本，而中国人现在很会利用这点来削弱我们。
Some people talk and other people do. Can you figure out which we are now?
53 posted on 2009年12月28日 22:26:34 by dmanLA
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一些人做实事，一些人说大话，我们现在是那种？
A great society is not defined solely by the big buildings and monuments it builds. Most of the world’s greatest inventions of the past century that made our lives better, longer and easier were made in the USA.
55 posted on 2009年12月28日 22:31:45 by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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伟大的社会不光靠建筑成就来定义，人类上世纪大部分科技发明都是美国创造的
That is very true. We must also remember that during the 19th century, the U.S was the greatest perpetrator of technological theft/industrial espionage in the entire world. And considering that China is now in the top 3 in terms of annual technology patents when 20 years ago, it wasn’t in the top 50, this is alarming news.
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确实如此，不过别忘了，１９世纪时美国是全世界侵犯知识产权和抄袭模仿最多的国家，中国现在已经是世界上申请技术专利第三多的国家了，而２０年前，他们连前５０都不算，这是令人警醒的信号
竟然没有攻击中国的言论，，，太不可信了，，{:3_82:}
中国高铁建设速度美国赶不上，票价美国也赶不上。。。。。{:3_77:}嘿嘿，终于全面世界领先了。。。
出口转内销
对于国内的基建计划不的不说集权式的优势很明显啊，没有政党间的互相扯皮。无休止的工程评估，自然环保人士的抗议阻扰，建设速度那是相当的快啊，我很自豪{:3_94:}
对于国内的基建计划不的不说集权式的优势很明显啊，没有政党间的互相扯皮。无休止的工程评估，自然环保人士的抗议阻扰，建设速度那是相当的快啊，我很自豪{:3_94:}
美国这个国家还是很值得我们学习的。。。
谁说集权没好处....
dzxonly520 发表于 2009-12-30 20:54 
其实美国人也知道嘛 你看他们二战时总统也不选举了，一直当到死在任上。
平时嘛就玩政党扯皮，玩民主。打起仗了就知道民主不行了。
其实美国人也知道嘛 你看他们二战时总统也不选举了，一直当到死在任上。
平时嘛就玩政党扯皮，玩民主。打起仗了就知道民主不行了。
hyrell 发表于 2009-12-30 21:57
呵呵民主是个很美好的梦，现在中国国情使然，集权才能减少消耗快速发展，这条路是正确的，有了高度现代化的社会民主化也会慢慢的走各方面得到体现。
呵呵民主是个很美好的梦，现在中国国情使然，集权才能减少消耗快速发展，这条路是正确的，有了高度现代化的社会民主化也会慢慢的走各方面得到体现。
呵呵 如果是真的那还真有意思，感觉世界人民都一样，对比别的国家的骂自己的 哈哈{:3_83:}
日本机车，设备，信号，有什么好骄傲的。
正视差距，继续努力吧。铁路，我们落后的程度不比发动机少。
正视差距，继续努力吧。铁路，我们落后的程度不比发动机少。
What a remarkable feat of engineering!!!
I wish we could build something like that. But unfortunately we lack the engineers/specialists due to an educational system that’s geared towards creating unproductive serfs.
28 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:15:14 by artaxerces
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I wish we could build something like that. But unfortunately we lack the engineers/specialists due to an educational system that’s geared towards creating unproductive serfs.
28 posted on 2009年12月28日 21:15:14 by artaxerces
=====>惊现美国体制党
aksobhya 发表于 2009-12-31 02:17
小倭还在试验330的，难道是穿越后向TG出口350的？{:3_79:}
小倭还在试验330的，难道是穿越后向TG出口350的？{:3_79:}
我们美国以前也是建造者的文明,我们曾经为纽约和芝加哥的摩天大楼,胡佛大坝,土星5火箭无比自豪, 而现在我们却只关心体育和娱乐明星的花边新闻, 我们已经50年来躺在我们父辈180多年的艰辛劳动的遗产上睡大觉了,等老本吃光后,我们要么重拾祖先建造者的传统, 要么像罗马帝国那样,曾经建造了伟大,现在则靠祖先遗产的废墟吸引游客来度日.
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不知道是否是真的来自美国，而不是国内的写手
另外，11楼的，不知道不要乱讲啊，国内的高铁，那才是真正的八国联军呢，小日本，还真是最看不上的那一个
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不知道是否是真的来自美国，而不是国内的写手
另外，11楼的，不知道不要乱讲啊，国内的高铁，那才是真正的八国联军呢，小日本，还真是最看不上的那一个
aksobhya 发表于 2009-12-31 02:17
惊现日本穿越帝
惊现日本穿越帝
aksobhya 发表于 2009-12-31 02:17
大哥 你说我们有差距大家都承认，可是那东西貌似不是日本的吧{:3_80:}
大哥 你说我们有差距大家都承认，可是那东西貌似不是日本的吧{:3_80:}
咱是真正的贯彻了拿来主义，没想到还凑的不错，就是票价很恶心人
充分说明了咱们社会主义国家能集中力量办大事！~~
选择性，肢体问题
估计不是全文。全文就搞笑了。
很有中宣部的风格
很有中宣部的风格
看来美国民众还是很中肯的
出口转内销:D
白鬼子们，我朝的力量在将来的两百年会更加让你们吃惊的！！！
美国人和英国人普通百姓在看问题上还是挺客观的,有自嘲精神.和中国人在这点上差不多.这也是他们能够强大的重要原因.可笑的是阿三,继承了一点英帝的皮,内在实质一点都没有
shipbuilder8064 发表于 2009-12-31 09:10
did a little research :D
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2416485/posts
did a little research :D
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2416485/posts
nanjingqin 发表于 2009-12-30 20:29
美国公民不！是网民的素质太高了！竟然没有攻击中国建筑的言论？
美国公民不！是网民的素质太高了！竟然没有攻击中国建筑的言论？
HKC亢奋了
天下愤愤是一家。
貌似删除了不利言论 只保留有利的
美国公民不！是网民的素质太高了！竟然没有攻击中国建筑的言论？
kdg5586 发表于 2009-12-31 11:19
不是没有而是楼主没贴，用脚趾头想想也不会没有的
To: OldDeckHand
Yup...finished in four years without needing to worry about any safety rules and running trains built with technology stolen from Japan,Europe and the US.
11 posted on 2009年12月29日 4:36:29 by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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是啊，在4年里建成，不用担心安全问题而且建造技术是从日本、欧洲和美国偷的
美国公民不！是网民的素质太高了！竟然没有攻击中国建筑的言论？
kdg5586 发表于 2009-12-31 11:19
不是没有而是楼主没贴，用脚趾头想想也不会没有的
To: OldDeckHand
Yup...finished in four years without needing to worry about any safety rules and running trains built with technology stolen from Japan,Europe and the US.
11 posted on 2009年12月29日 4:36:29 by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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是啊，在4年里建成，不用担心安全问题而且建造技术是从日本、欧洲和美国偷的
情绪稳定的路过
美国人也很清楚，所以2012把方舟放在了中国建造～～～～
希望中国在新世纪创造一点奇迹
现在我共在基建和大工程建设上成就是很大呀。速度快，成本低。
凡事都有利弊
中国特色的政治制度在效率方面是有优势
不过话又说回来
貌似民主的汉斯的效率也很高
中国特色的政治制度在效率方面是有优势
不过话又说回来
貌似民主的汉斯的效率也很高
尽捡好的说还是没人说坏的？
翻译这东西，可别报喜不报忧啊
skybbobbo 发表于 2009-12-31 09:20
支持！！！！！
支持！！！！！
I just did a search for construction deaths on the Three Gorges Dam and High Speed Trains. Amazingingly - it seems that China does not have any deaths on these types of projects!
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我只是搜索了一下三峡大坝和高速列车建设的死亡情况。 令人惊讶 -似乎中国没有关于这类项目的任何死亡信息！
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美国人在想什么，中国搞建设一定要死人？？
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我只是搜索了一下三峡大坝和高速列车建设的死亡情况。 令人惊讶 -似乎中国没有关于这类项目的任何死亡信息！
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美国人在想什么，中国搞建设一定要死人？？
激光制导炸弹 发表于 2009-12-31 13:35
当然是捡好的说了，有的说等着看三峡决堤，有的说中国90%人非常穷，99.99%是0自由。还有人说这是形象工程...留言太多了...
当然是捡好的说了，有的说等着看三峡决堤，有的说中国90%人非常穷，99.99%是0自由。还有人说这是形象工程...留言太多了...