三哥MKI的PESA雷达又要闹着升级---运输机计划开始

三哥不差钱，半年一小生1年一大升都行

三哥能折腾

三锅和脚盆是两个极端啊。。。。。

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多功能中型运输机正式开始动手了........................

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Indian Panel OKs Joint Aircraft Effort With Russia


By vivek raghuvanshi

Published: 4 Dec 2009


NEW DELHI - India's highest decision-making body on security matters gave its approval Dec. 3 to the joint development with Russia of a multirole transport aircraft (MTA).


The clearance by the Cabinet Committee on Security here will pave the way for a formal agreement to be signed during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Russia, beginning Dec. 6.

The plan calls for India and Russia to jointly build 210 MTAs, with Russia buying 100 and India buying the rest. The agreement will include an option for India to buy 100 more MTAs for its Army and other security forces.

Despite a 2002 memorandum of understanding to forge a joint venture to build the aircraft in India, no headway has been made on the project. The formal agreement likely will be inked during Singh's Moscow visit, an Indian Defence Ministry official said.

Russia's Irkutsk Aviation and Industrial Association, llyushin Aviation Complex and Rosoboronexport have decided to participate in the MTA program with India's state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) on an equity-sharing basis.

The Russians will finance nearly $300 million of the aircraft's development costs, the Defence Ministry official said. HAL also will supply $300 million for the effort after getting firm orders for the 15-ton MTA from the Indian Air Force, the ministry official added.

The MTA is intended to replace the Air Force's transport aircraft, most of which were bought from Russia. India has about 100 medium-lift An-32s and about 20 heavy-lift Il-76s.

In 2008, India signed a contract for the purchase of six C-130 Hercules transport planes from the U.S.

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三哥够折腾的， Mig-27还升级......................

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Upgrade of second tranche of 40 MiG-27Ms to the UPG-2 standard


Friday, December 04, 2009
By Prasun K. Sengupta


The Indian Air Force’s (IAF) ambitious plan of upgrading a second tranche of 40 MiG-27Ms to the UPG-2 standard is now likely to be realised in the near future, thanks to the official sanction being accorded to this longstanding project in the aftermath of defence minister A.K. Antony’s official visit to Moscow between October 14-15 to chair the the 9th meeting of the India-Russia Inter Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC). To date, the IAF has taken delivery of 40 MiG-27UPG-1 tactical strike aircraft from Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) — these being subjected to only a limited upgrade of the navigation-and-attack system. Under the UPG-2 tranche, 40 MiG-27Ms will be subjected to a comprehensive service life extension package that will include the installation of a new navigation-and-attack avionics package — known as DARIN-3 — and electronic warfare suite developed by the state-owned Defence Research & Development Organisation’s Bangalore-based Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE), and a re-engining programme that will see the MiG-27M’s existing Klimov-developed R29B-300 turbofan being replaced by a NPO Saturn-developed AL-31F turbofan (with a service life of 2,000 hours) incorporating a FADEC system. This same engine is currently being co-produced by HAL and Russia’s UFA Engine Industrial Association JSC for the Su-30MKI. The UPG-2 upgrades will be jointly carried out by HAL and Russia’s United Aircraft Corp (UAC).

The DARIN-3 avionics upgrade package was originally developed for another of the IAF’s ambitious project — the avionics upgrade-cum-re-engining of approximately 120 SEPECAT/HAL-built Jaguar IS interdictor/strike aircraft. The package includes the third-generation DARIN-3 navigation-system system and an integrated defensive aids suite, both of which have been designed and integrated by DARE, using several avionics LRUs originally developed for the Tejas LCA.





The DARIN-3 cockpit for the Jaguar IS, shown at the Aero India 2009 expo, features the same HUD as that on the Tejas LCA, along with three large MFD-55 AMLCDs supplied by THALES-Samtel Display Systems, and HOTAS controls, all utilising a MIL-STD-1553B digital databus. It remains to be seen if these upgraded Jaguars (about 120 in all to be upgraded in batches of 61 and 59 and remain in service till 2022) will also be equipped with the fly-by-wire flight control system, which was tested out by BAE Systems way back in the mid-Eighties on the Jaguar. The core avionics computer for both the to-be-upgraded Jaguar IS and MiG-27Ms will be the open systems architecture mission computer (OSAMC), originally developed by DARE and now being series-produced by an India-US joint venture involving HAL, Edge Tech India and US-based Edgewood Ventures LLC. A version of the OSAMC is presently on board the Su-30MKI and upgraded MiG-27UPG-1s and Jaguar IM maritime strike aircraft (upgraded earlier to the DARIN-2 standard). For all-weather standoff attacks using precision-guided munitions, both the upgraded Jaguar IS and MiG-27UPG-2s will be equipped with RAFAEL Litening-3 laser designation pods as well as ELTA’s EL/L-8212 jamming pods.

The IAF is anxious to fast-track the service life-extension-cum-upgrading of both the 120 Jaguar IS strike aircraft (thereby recognized them for tactical interdiction) and the follow-on 40 MiG-27Ms (thereby having a dedicated force of 40 MiG-27UPG-1s and 40 MiG-27UPG-2s for close air support), with the Su-30MKIs taking up the deep interdiction responsibilities. IAF HQ has already firmed up its ASQRs for the ambitious Jaguar IS upgrade programme, which, like that for the MiG-27UPG-2, will also have a re-engining component.

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三哥够折腾的， Mig-27还升级......................

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Upgrade of second tranche of 40 MiG-27Ms to the UPG-2 standard


Friday, December 04, 2009
By Prasun K. Sengupta


The Indian Air Force’s (IAF) ambitious plan of upgrading a second tranche of 40 MiG-27Ms to the UPG-2 standard is now likely to be realised in the near future, thanks to the official sanction being accorded to this longstanding project in the aftermath of defence minister A.K. Antony’s official visit to Moscow between October 14-15 to chair the the 9th meeting of the India-Russia Inter Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC). To date, the IAF has taken delivery of 40 MiG-27UPG-1 tactical strike aircraft from Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) — these being subjected to only a limited upgrade of the navigation-and-attack system. Under the UPG-2 tranche, 40 MiG-27Ms will be subjected to a comprehensive service life extension package that will include the installation of a new navigation-and-attack avionics package — known as DARIN-3 — and electronic warfare suite developed by the state-owned Defence Research & Development Organisation’s Bangalore-based Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE), and a re-engining programme that will see the MiG-27M’s existing Klimov-developed R29B-300 turbofan being replaced by a NPO Saturn-developed AL-31F turbofan (with a service life of 2,000 hours) incorporating a FADEC system. This same engine is currently being co-produced by HAL and Russia’s UFA Engine Industrial Association JSC for the Su-30MKI. The UPG-2 upgrades will be jointly carried out by HAL and Russia’s United Aircraft Corp (UAC).

The DARIN-3 avionics upgrade package was originally developed for another of the IAF’s ambitious project — the avionics upgrade-cum-re-engining of approximately 120 SEPECAT/HAL-built Jaguar IS interdictor/strike aircraft. The package includes the third-generation DARIN-3 navigation-system system and an integrated defensive aids suite, both of which have been designed and integrated by DARE, using several avionics LRUs originally developed for the Tejas LCA.





The DARIN-3 cockpit for the Jaguar IS, shown at the Aero India 2009 expo, features the same HUD as that on the Tejas LCA, along with three large MFD-55 AMLCDs supplied by THALES-Samtel Display Systems, and HOTAS controls, all utilising a MIL-STD-1553B digital databus. It remains to be seen if these upgraded Jaguars (about 120 in all to be upgraded in batches of 61 and 59 and remain in service till 2022) will also be equipped with the fly-by-wire flight control system, which was tested out by BAE Systems way back in the mid-Eighties on the Jaguar. The core avionics computer for both the to-be-upgraded Jaguar IS and MiG-27Ms will be the open systems architecture mission computer (OSAMC), originally developed by DARE and now being series-produced by an India-US joint venture involving HAL, Edge Tech India and US-based Edgewood Ventures LLC. A version of the OSAMC is presently on board the Su-30MKI and upgraded MiG-27UPG-1s and Jaguar IM maritime strike aircraft (upgraded earlier to the DARIN-2 standard). For all-weather standoff attacks using precision-guided munitions, both the upgraded Jaguar IS and MiG-27UPG-2s will be equipped with RAFAEL Litening-3 laser designation pods as well as ELTA’s EL/L-8212 jamming pods.

The IAF is anxious to fast-track the service life-extension-cum-upgrading of both the 120 Jaguar IS strike aircraft (thereby recognized them for tactical interdiction) and the follow-on 40 MiG-27Ms (thereby having a dedicated force of 40 MiG-27UPG-1s and 40 MiG-27UPG-2s for close air support), with the Su-30MKIs taking up the deep interdiction responsibilities. IAF HQ has already firmed up its ASQRs for the ambitious Jaguar IS upgrade programme, which, like that for the MiG-27UPG-2, will also have a re-engining component.

升级bars是当时制定MKI计划时就有的，主要就是将irbis的技术往上用，加强多用途能力但不是升级成IRBIS，苏-35很多技术都源于MKI，正如同mki的技术又源于老35，包括发动机和航电，可以从某种程度上说，35就是MKI的技术成熟体，虽然说mki做了小白鼠，都抢得了服役时间，日后MKI升级计划和印度生产水平逐步展开提升，MKI的可靠性会有较大提高，加上其先进性，不可小视，当然FQ们还是会搬出04年的新闻证明MKI不堪一用的

升级bars是当时制定MKI计划时就有的，主要就是将irbis的技术往上用，加强多用途能力但不是升级成IRBIS，苏-35很多技术都源于MKI，正如同mki的技术又源于老35，包括发动机和航电，可以从某种程度上说，35就是MKI的技术成熟体，虽然说mki做了小白鼠，都抢得了服役时间，日后MKI升级计划和印度生产水平逐步展开提升，MKI的可靠性会有较大提高，加上其先进性，不可小视，当然FQ们还是会搬出04年的新闻证明MKI不堪一用的

回复 6# JSTCVW09CD


    这个27的升级才叫搞笑，都吼了快十年了，当初为了满足印度的要求，俄罗斯还尝试着将AL31装进27，不过印度的消息说，现在空军已经不感兴趣了，毕竟差不多的美洲虎到现在仍有新机下线，不缺对地攻击机

zhouhaiyang 发表于 2009-12-7 00:09

最近的消息.............

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Upgrade of second tranche of 40 MiG-27Ms to the UPG-2 standard


Friday, December 04, 2009

回复 9# JSTCVW09CD


    看来印度还是舍不得放弃27，侧面证明了iaf对地攻击力量的薄弱，也是，除了美洲虎它也没有其他合适的对地飞机了，现在印度是全球唯一生产专用对地攻击机的国家

嘿嘿，我们还有小强呢

阿三一日千里啊~

三哥穷折腾................ :D

三哥还没摔够么？

我倒是欣赏脚盆锅 F15J玩了那么多年 还能保证很高的出勤率 同时修修补补还可堪大用

穷兵黩武

如果MD放狗链，泥轰国再武装能力实在是惊人的。假设MD都不干涉我国和泥轰，大家就现在水平同时发展30年，我国海军和泥轰海军大家谁强还说不定。泥轰的海自虽然不强，但军国老底还在。

个人建议，印度的“计划”新闻就不要再转了，只转已经成功实现的计划，那样一来，有关印度的新闻就会少一大堆

是不是大毛子版的AN148。。估计毛子又有的宰了。。。

强啊。阿三三年超美不是梦了。。。

烧包啊

晕
也不看看三哥是谁……

当年Mig21不就要升级吗？什么以色列，俄罗斯，什么Mig21-93，连相控阵都要上了，
忙活了了半天，结果……悲剧了，只要敢起飞，他就敢坠毁…………

当年买了百来辆T90后，说要自造坦克炮管！
结果……造一根，炸堂一根，到现在还在从俄罗斯进口……

买个Su30也嚷嚷着要自造！
结果呢？？ 到了新世纪09年，连大修能力也不过关，还扯个屁…………

再数数其他的：
阿琼？还不如中国的88B
LCA？比歼十还难产……
核潜艇？美国说是假的……
莫拉布？俄罗斯不要……
中距离空空导弹？现在还是个传说……
无人机？第一次试飞就坠毁了……

现在的印度和中国就像冷战的苏联和美国，
中国有了啥玩意，印度就一定也要有，
但问题是，凡是中国有了的，都是已经消化的，成熟的，
而凡是印度有了的，都是外购的高技术玩具……

印度就是有钱没出花的2B+250 ！！
9亿多人口，
有一半还没解决温饱问题，
有一半从来不知道厕所是什么东东，
还敢做超级大国梦……
比韩国棒子还牛B！……

所以说，印度就是——世界超级大悲剧，悲哀啊，呜呼哀哉………………

（全文完，谢谢）

晕
也不看看三哥是谁……

当年Mig21不就要升级吗？什么以色列，俄罗斯，什么Mig21-93，连相控阵都要上了，
忙活了了半天，结果……悲剧了，只要敢起飞，他就敢坠毁…………

当年买了百来辆T90后，说要自造坦克炮管！
结果……造一根，炸堂一根，到现在还在从俄罗斯进口……

买个Su30也嚷嚷着要自造！
结果呢？？ 到了新世纪09年，连大修能力也不过关，还扯个屁…………

再数数其他的：
阿琼？还不如中国的88B
LCA？比歼十还难产……
核潜艇？美国说是假的……
莫拉布？俄罗斯不要……
中距离空空导弹？现在还是个传说……
无人机？第一次试飞就坠毁了……

现在的印度和中国就像冷战的苏联和美国，
中国有了啥玩意，印度就一定也要有，
但问题是，凡是中国有了的，都是已经消化的，成熟的，
而凡是印度有了的，都是外购的高技术玩具……

印度就是有钱没出花的2B+250 ！！
9亿多人口，
有一半还没解决温饱问题，
有一半从来不知道厕所是什么东东，
还敢做超级大国梦……
比韩国棒子还牛B！……

所以说，印度就是——世界超级大悲剧，悲哀啊，呜呼哀哉………………

（全文完，谢谢）

zhouhaiyang 发表于 2009-12-7 00:03

再怎么升级也是个PESA，再说三哥的计划很少有按时完成的。等三哥折腾完了，TG的AESA恐怕也满天飞了。

三哥要造运输机？

莫非三哥也听说了TG运输机要问世的事情？

"India's highest decision-making body on security matters gave its approval Dec. 3 to the joint development with Russia of a multirole transport aircraft (MTA)."
详细介绍下这个吧，部长同志
15吨，如果是起飞重量，那就是su-80级别的，如果是payload,那应该是介于Tu-330和Su-80之间级别的
老毛子有哪些候选方案？

"India's highest decision-making body on security matters gave its approval Dec. 3 to the joint development with Russia of a multirole transport aircraft (MTA)."
详细介绍下这个吧，部长同志
15吨，如果是起飞重量，那就是su-80级别的，如果是payload,那应该是介于Tu-330和Su-80之间级别的
老毛子有哪些候选方案？

MAIN PERFORMANCE OF TU-330 AIRCRAFT
1. Maximal payload - 35 t
2. Cruising speed - 800-850 km/h
3. Maximal cruising altitude - 11000 m
4. Servicing flight range with payload of 30 t when operating from concrete airfields with RWY length 2200 m - 138-140
5. Flight fuel consumption for servicing range with max payload - 3000 km

回复 23# wi0001

    现在全世界有哪个国家能按时完成军备计划的，按时完成的大型军备项目在21世纪甚少听说，中美俄法英概莫能外，何况印度，pesa怎的了，阵风一直升级到f3+都是PESa，aesa那么好弄吗，中国没有十年想让aesa满天飞？十年后除了美国谁敢夸这口，英国空军十年后都不会拥有超过100部战斗机用aesa。
    确切的说，印度是个14岁的贫穷初中生，中国是个借着助学贷款的大学生，美国是个有家业的老板，这初中生穷归穷，可他不是智障儿童，中国以后也会当老板，但如果无端的把印度当成智障儿童的话，中国有一天也会被印度超越

阿三的MKI和su35根本就没什么大关系，MKI是伊尔库茨克飞机制造厂在Su27UB上鼓捣出来的，MKK是阿尔穆共青城加加林飞机制造厂沿用了苏-35UB 的机体结构设计的。

回复 28# haoyuedangkong


    你都说出这个水平的话了，我也无法可说，你根本没弄清所谓的苏-35，35ub，以及设计局和工厂的关系，伊厂弄出来的不是MKI，而是用MKI技术的27ub--30kn，即使是PUPU的文章也只是提及MKK使用了与35类似的加强机体，却被人无限引申出MKK全方面超越MKI和MKK是老35 的继承者，完全无视当年711号的N011M和矢量推力最后应用在谁身上，至于使用所谓27机体，不过是因为30mki的早期验证机使用了最早的27ub01和06号机的机体，却全然不顾那只是矢量推力验证机的事实，而彻底忽略了0405原型机是全新制造，更完全无视71x的编号最后是放在哪种30的垂直尾翼上。
     新人真应该去全面复习96年那个时代的苏霍伊战斗机，想想都激动啊，尤其是巴黎航展上那悲壮的一幕

回复 28# haoyuedangkong


    你都说出这个水平的话了，我也无法可说，你根本没弄清所谓的苏-35，35ub，以及设计局和工厂的关系，伊厂弄出来的不是MKI，而是用MKI技术的27ub--30kn，即使是PUPU的文章也只是提及MKK使用了与35类似的加强机体，却被人无限引申出MKK全方面超越MKI和MKK是老35 的继承者，完全无视当年711号的N011M和矢量推力最后应用在谁身上，至于使用所谓27机体，不过是因为30mki的早期验证机使用了最早的27ub01和06号机的机体，却全然不顾那只是矢量推力验证机的事实，而彻底忽略了0405原型机是全新制造，更完全无视71x的编号最后是放在哪种30的垂直尾翼上。
     新人真应该去全面复习96年那个时代的苏霍伊战斗机，想想都激动啊，尤其是巴黎航展上那悲壮的一幕

zhouhaiyang 发表于 2009-12-7 18:28


    这比喻恰当。

zhouhaiyang 发表于 2009-12-7 23:35


hehe，可笑，一个用铜过多造成超重雷达，导致必须增加鸭翼，还有一个不到100小时就会报废的矢量推力喷口， 无非是把早期Su-35一些验证技术堆砌到了Su27UB上拿去骗阿三的。

最新的Su35由于雷达减重成功，并且增加了发动机推力，改换了更成熟了矢量喷口，已经取消了鸭翼，你还在这替阿三吹什么MKI，悲哀呀。

三哥最近频频提出海空军的装备升级和采购计划，这是为什么呢？我们没工夫看三个表演了，应该抓紧不要被三哥超过

回复 31# haoyuedangkong


    话说我刚说有人会抱着几年前的新闻不放，立刻就跳出来一个现身说法，你拿出一个09年矢量推力仍然100小时报废的新闻或资料给我。拿新35和mki比技术，你是脑子秀逗了吗，两个试飞时间差了十几年的飞机，等11年毛子的35服役，mki都服役了8年了。
   我从没有替印度吹嘘什么，我说了印度的不成熟处，这点印度也承认，比如过分重视矢量推力，但不代表mki就一无是处，全世界买mki标准的不是只有一个印度，而俄罗斯的文章已经明确说明了BARS和irbis的继承关系。

那现在为什么印度不把鸭翼拆掉。改成35算了？

回复 34# maxlee123


    你这句话太悲剧了。。。。。。。。。。。而且现在毛子拆掉鸭翼，雷达减重不是主要原因吧，主要原因还是全向矢量和成熟的飞控，当年加鸭翼也不是为了雷达超重，目的还是提高机动性能和升力，要不33和34装鸭翼干什么

zhouhaiyang 发表于 2009-12-8 10:47


你才可笑呢，你拿个印度ＭＫＩ更换新型矢量推力喷口的消息来我看看。毛子有新货不代表阿三有新货。

ＭＫＩ就是马扁银子的， 老Ｓｕ－３５为什么不服役？　为什么到１１年，不是因为老款的技术垃圾价格高么？

回复 36# haoyuedangkong


    算了，哥已经和没话说了。。。。。。你就继续YY吧，你当这是辩论赛？可以用诡辩的方法？而且，好好学基础知识，啊

zhouhaiyang 发表于 2009-12-8 11:21


看来你一点常识都没有，俄国最新版Su35是没有鸭翼的，新的Su33也是没有鸭翼的。装鸭翼的原因不是为了提高飞行机动性，而是雷达严重超重导致飞机重心变化。现在俄国人已经攻克这个问题了，以后再不需要鸭翼了。 33的鸭翼 只是用来配平（27改舰载机 增重）对机动性的改善极其有限。

印度出了名的凯子，你还拿着当宝，你倒是给个SU30MKI新批次技术升级的新闻来我看看。

对了，新的苏35是哪个厂产的？是产mki的厂么？其实我还是想知道，谁可以科普下，给我们产mkk的公司和产mki公司的区别么？

The same goes even for the AL-31FP, whose TTSL is 2,000 hours now, but maybe after another five years, NPO Saturn may re-certify them to 4,000 hours, based on the usage data made available by the IAF in future
回ls，生产新35的是mkk的厂

至于30mki雷达升级的新闻你自己找吧