土工购14架苏33?11B看样子真不行了?
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China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is close to reaching a decision on the procurement of aircraft for its aircraft carrier programme, Russian industry sources have told Jane's.
Negotiations between the PLAN and the Komsomolsk-na-Amure Aviation Production Association (KnAAPO) in Russia have been held intermittently for several years, with the Chinese military said to be unsure whether to purchase a version of the Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-capable fighter or develop its own carrier aircraft based on the Chengdu J-10.
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/systems/jdi/jdi081028_1_n.shtml
Russian sources have now told Jane's that under the current proposal the Russian in-service Su-33 would be put back into production and the PLAN would acquire 14 of this type to be used for the training phase of the programme.
This option will see a carrier aircraft delivered to the PLAN in the shortest possible timeframe.
The development of a new-configuration aircraft to be used in actual carrier operations would take place in parallel with this training programme.
"The next step will be to modernise the Su-33, which was first designed in the late 1980s, with a new set of state-of-the-art onboard systems," a KnAAPO representative told Jane's on the eve of the biennial Air Show China in late October. "What this new aeroplane is most likely to be is a combination Su-33 airframe with a radar, avionics and cockpit instrumentation that is a 'developed' configuration based on the Su-30MK2, and this will be the PLAN's operational version."
我日China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is close to reaching a decision on the procurement of aircraft for its aircraft carrier programme, Russian industry sources have told Jane's.
Negotiations between the PLAN and the Komsomolsk-na-Amure Aviation Production Association (KnAAPO) in Russia have been held intermittently for several years, with the Chinese military said to be unsure whether to purchase a version of the Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-capable fighter or develop its own carrier aircraft based on the Chengdu J-10.
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/systems/jdi/jdi081028_1_n.shtml
Russian sources have now told Jane's that under the current proposal the Russian in-service Su-33 would be put back into production and the PLAN would acquire 14 of this type to be used for the training phase of the programme.
This option will see a carrier aircraft delivered to the PLAN in the shortest possible timeframe.
The development of a new-configuration aircraft to be used in actual carrier operations would take place in parallel with this training programme.
"The next step will be to modernise the Su-33, which was first designed in the late 1980s, with a new set of state-of-the-art onboard systems," a KnAAPO representative told Jane's on the eve of the biennial Air Show China in late October. "What this new aeroplane is most likely to be is a combination Su-33 airframe with a radar, avionics and cockpit instrumentation that is a 'developed' configuration based on the Su-30MK2, and this will be the PLAN's operational version."
我日
Negotiations between the PLAN and the Komsomolsk-na-Amure Aviation Production Association (KnAAPO) in Russia have been held intermittently for several years, with the Chinese military said to be unsure whether to purchase a version of the Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-capable fighter or develop its own carrier aircraft based on the Chengdu J-10.
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/systems/jdi/jdi081028_1_n.shtml
Russian sources have now told Jane's that under the current proposal the Russian in-service Su-33 would be put back into production and the PLAN would acquire 14 of this type to be used for the training phase of the programme.
This option will see a carrier aircraft delivered to the PLAN in the shortest possible timeframe.
The development of a new-configuration aircraft to be used in actual carrier operations would take place in parallel with this training programme.
"The next step will be to modernise the Su-33, which was first designed in the late 1980s, with a new set of state-of-the-art onboard systems," a KnAAPO representative told Jane's on the eve of the biennial Air Show China in late October. "What this new aeroplane is most likely to be is a combination Su-33 airframe with a radar, avionics and cockpit instrumentation that is a 'developed' configuration based on the Su-30MK2, and this will be the PLAN's operational version."
我日China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is close to reaching a decision on the procurement of aircraft for its aircraft carrier programme, Russian industry sources have told Jane's.
Negotiations between the PLAN and the Komsomolsk-na-Amure Aviation Production Association (KnAAPO) in Russia have been held intermittently for several years, with the Chinese military said to be unsure whether to purchase a version of the Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-capable fighter or develop its own carrier aircraft based on the Chengdu J-10.
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/systems/jdi/jdi081028_1_n.shtml
Russian sources have now told Jane's that under the current proposal the Russian in-service Su-33 would be put back into production and the PLAN would acquire 14 of this type to be used for the training phase of the programme.
This option will see a carrier aircraft delivered to the PLAN in the shortest possible timeframe.
The development of a new-configuration aircraft to be used in actual carrier operations would take place in parallel with this training programme.
"The next step will be to modernise the Su-33, which was first designed in the late 1980s, with a new set of state-of-the-art onboard systems," a KnAAPO representative told Jane's on the eve of the biennial Air Show China in late October. "What this new aeroplane is most likely to be is a combination Su-33 airframe with a radar, avionics and cockpit instrumentation that is a 'developed' configuration based on the Su-30MK2, and this will be the PLAN's operational version."
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从来就没指望沈飞行过!
11B又是不载机……
希望不是像27SK国产化这样的路子
原帖由 aaasssaaa 于 2008-10-30 10:38 发表
11B又是不载机……
11BJ呢???
简氏这两年的权威性已经大不如前了……;P ;P ;P
不排除先用苏33训练,然后改用11BJ的可能。但是无论如何,这个消息证实了11B进度滞后的谣言,而且显然严重滞后。
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不敢乱猜,要不帖子又被锁了。前段时间阎良掉的到底是什么型号阿?
11BS——
谢谢,原因呢?
简氏现在很多情报也是类似PKF一样乱猜的,并没有多少可信度。
比如这帖里,还在说中国还想基于J10研制舰载机,J10简单的修改能上舰吗?没脑子……
比如这帖里,还在说中国还想基于J10研制舰载机,J10简单的修改能上舰吗?没脑子……
原帖由 化外 于 2008-10-30 10:46 发表
不排除先用苏33训练,然后改用11BJ的可能。但是无论如何,这个消息证实了11B进度滞后的谣言,而且显然严重滞后。
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这样的可能性不大 最可能是借鉴 还有请人家帮忙解决舰载机的问题 ———— 一个善良菜鸟的猜测
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等着看看再说吧
简氏很多关于TG报道都用的是汉和的,可信度可想而知
……明年才试飞的飞机能顶什么用,不进口用啥?
简氏关于tg的和pkf差不多
原帖由 qp--db 于 2008-10-30 10:53 发表
这样的可能性不大 最可能是借鉴 还有请人家帮忙解决舰载机的问题 ———— 一个善良菜鸟的猜测
TG不是把乌克兰那两33的原型机都搞不来了吗??
从开始训练到上舰有时间差,假设现在谈意向,2010年开始用,熟练飞行员开始训练,怎么着两年后可以开始上舰了吧?超过五年还不能上舰的话就等于是白训了。从这个角度看,航母下海计划应该不晚于2015。
但现在航母毛都没有。就算航母已经绝密开工,也很难想象2015年以前下海。
11B至少去年已经试飞,谣言是进一步的试飞进展不顺。当然,从11B到11BJ还有一大步。假设土工造船牛叉,计划2015年下海,那就是说土工现在对11BJ在2015年之前列装已经信心不足。2015年啊,四代也该首飞了吧,AESA也该上机了吧,无人机也该可以发导弹了吧,股市也该回2000了吧,今夜播种孩子也该能打酱油了吧,肾结石也该尿干净了吧,11BJ还不行?
舰载机是战略支点之一,沈飞卡壳难道就不能从全国调集精英会诊?
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但现在航母毛都没有。就算航母已经绝密开工,也很难想象2015年以前下海。
11B至少去年已经试飞,谣言是进一步的试飞进展不顺。当然,从11B到11BJ还有一大步。假设土工造船牛叉,计划2015年下海,那就是说土工现在对11BJ在2015年之前列装已经信心不足。2015年啊,四代也该首飞了吧,AESA也该上机了吧,无人机也该可以发导弹了吧,股市也该回2000了吧,今夜播种孩子也该能打酱油了吧,肾结石也该尿干净了吧,11BJ还不行?
舰载机是战略支点之一,沈飞卡壳难道就不能从全国调集精英会诊?
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陆基战斗机改成舰载战斗机并不是在肚皮下加个拦阻钩那么简单,机身结构强度需要大大加强来抵抗起飞弹射和降落时候的巨大冲击,当年虫子的标准舰载型比陆基型整整重了1吨半以上... 现在J11国产化应该都只是初步完成而已... 让它立刻上舰根本不现实,在它基础上开发舰载机基本就是一个新的工程了,先买点33用着是可以接受的...
舰载机是战略支点之一,沈飞卡壳难道就不能从全国调集精英会诊?
————沈飞已经是精英集中地了。
————沈飞已经是精英集中地了。
赞同两步走
先引进
在山寨
先引进
在山寨
可靠性才是最重要的!中国没有舰载机的研发经验,如果选择33也是无奈之举!
先引进再学习吗!;P
先引进再学习吗!;P
引进了区区14架33就代表11BJ不行,这逻辑是怎么來的?
with the Chinese military said to be unsure whether to purchase a version
"UNSURE"
大家看好
"UNSURE"
大家看好
拜一下五楼的签名档!!!!ORZ
拿14架先练起来嘛,前阵子不是还有老瓦的消息
……有进步,已经从前几年的50架降低到14架了。
根据不确定的消息或者论据,得出似是而非的结论,楼主强大。
连字都打不清楚,是真的不行了,这样的话题有讨论价值吗?
明显是毛子为了卖SU33自己在吹
很正常嘛,自己又没有舰载机喽,su33这么成熟的JJ,直接拿来用,再自己造[:a11:]
看来保密工作做得好啊,连简氏也猜测了
简氏说过土鳖买mig31没有
从2架到50架 现在又14架了 忽悠吧
这位楼主:
希望您以后出言谨慎。不要危言耸听。请问您谁不行了、怎么不行了。有何依据呀。仅凭这几行字就下结论说谁谁不行了未免过于草率了吧。 国外媒体的说法多了,都那么真实可信吗? 轻信这种言论真是太天真幼稚了。应该有独立的思考判断,别总是人云亦云。
希望您以后出言谨慎。不要危言耸听。请问您谁不行了、怎么不行了。有何依据呀。仅凭这几行字就下结论说谁谁不行了未免过于草率了吧。 国外媒体的说法多了,都那么真实可信吗? 轻信这种言论真是太天真幼稚了。应该有独立的思考判断,别总是人云亦云。
神飞要有自主创新能力就行了.
为何只买十四架后备不需要吗说明我国有新的了该死的虚幻上不去:Q
股市是从1000回到2000,还是从8000回到2000?:D :D :D
真搞笑,不上不下的买14架,当谁是傻子呢?