[转帖]惊爆:萨达姆关押中国人

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图片: <br/><img src="http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/showpic.php?YXR0YWNobWVudC9UeXBlX2pwZy8yNl8zNF8xZjZkM2I0M2I4MzEzZmIuanBn" border="0" alt=""/> <br/><br/>图片: <br/><img src="http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/showpic.php?YXR0YWNobWVudC9UeXBlX2pwZy8yNl8zNF9hMDAzOGIwZmQ4ZmRlNDQuanBn" border="0" alt=""/> <br/><br/>图片: <br/><img src="http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/showpic.php?YXR0YWNobWVudC9UeXBlX2pwZy8yNl8zNF8xODYwNmM1NTAwNTMzMDcuanBn" border="0" alt=""/> <br/><br/>图片: <br/><img src="http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/showpic.php?YXR0YWNobWVudC9UeXBlX2pwZy8yNl8zNF81OTY2MjhiOTI3MmY2Y2UuanBn" border="0" alt=""/> <br/><span class="tpc_content"><font size="3">译文:<br/><br/></font><font size="3"><b>  荒废的监狱,一个仍然留在伊拉克人心中的恐惧<br/><br/>  Loyalty转运站,一个依旧使伊拉克人恐惧的地方</b><br/><br/>  现在第三师和第二旅的联合驻地,这个位于巴格达东部的基地曾经是伊拉克国家安全总局,是一个用于消灭沙达姆侯赛因影响力的中枢。<br/><br/>  第二旅的情报官员,来至纽约Cobleskill的Greg Holmes少尉说:当我们2003年到达这里的时候,我们很多的翻译人员甚至不愿意进入这里。<br/><br/>  因为,大部分的伊拉克人都对这个声名狼藉的监狱记忆犹新,它就像一张大嘴吞噬了数以百计的人。现在,美军将它作为仓库,但这个废弃的监狱仍然保留了一种不易忘怀的恐怖象征。它那残破的墙和残存的铁门发出铮铮悲咛。<br/><br/>  美国驻伊拉克情报局的情报官员,来至第二旅的Maj Steve Rosson说:相当多的伊拉克人到现在还不愿意走近这座监狱,他们认为一旦进了这堵墙,你将进地狱。<br/><br/>  现在,它永远的带着了这个污名。这也是为什么我们将它粉饰一新作为我们的感化中心,或许是历史决定了这一切吧。。。<br/><br/>  在沙达姆时代,每天都有这个国家的持不同政见者和敌人被关到这里审问、殴打、做那些违反人权的事情。<br/><br/>  Rosson说:第二旅的装甲骑兵团是2003年八月份到达这里的,他们发现那些折磨人的刑具依然在这里,在一个狭窄的长廊后,犯人被根据不同的需要很不舒服的铐在地上。<br/><br/>  经过不长的一段时间他们会给犯人放风。<br/><br/>  Rosson按照成千上万的文件所说的告诉我们:这个监狱没有这个正式的名字,也不是作为长期的拘留所,但也有时候会将部分犯人关上十年甚至更长。美军占领了巴格达后,从档案里找到了一些关于这个监狱的线索,最早可以追述到1961年。<br/><br/>  如果你了解这个政权就知道他们经常完全删除一些不愿意被人看到的档案。这个现在被称为转运中心的地方拥有很多笼子和单人囚室甚至医院,美军相信这里曾作为化学战剂的试验基地。<br/><br/></font><font size="3"><b>  Rosson说:中国劳工修建了这些设施,包括监狱。当建设完工后,沙达姆指责这些劳工是间谍并逮捕了他们,让他们成了这里第一批囚犯。这里很多广东话被囚犯们留在了墙上。<br/><br/>  我们不知道有多少中国劳工曾被囚禁在这里,我相信他们被囚禁在这里很多年,最终死在了监狱里。很显然,这些中国人知道得太多了,沙达姆可不愿让他们回家。</b><br/><br/>  相当多的阿拉伯语同样也被雕在墙上面,但很多已经模糊不清。<br/><br/>  这个监狱在战争中遭到了一定程度的破坏,当美军接管这个监狱的时候仍有近500人囚禁在里面。<br/><br/>  Hayder Abdul-Nabi说:他的两个兄弟曾被关在里面,一个被关了7年,一个被关了10年。他们犯了什么罪呢?仅仅是在伊拉克安全部队时弄丢了手枪。<br/><br/>  我们不知道这7年里他遭受了什么。Abdul-Nabi承认,他现在还是不敢进入这座监狱哪怕一分钟。伊拉克人对这座监狱是相当的恐惧。监狱的管理者甚至用硫酸将人烧死。<br/><br/>  每个夜里黑暗仅仅的抓住Loyalty,哪怕基地的官员因安全原因把灯开得最暗。它向外面的人提醒着,这里曾经抚育着罪恶。<br/><br/>  这个基地依然给伊拉克人带来恐惧。Rosson说:伊拉克人虽然知道这个监狱已经荒废,但它仍然给他们带来心里的恐惧。</font><br/><br/></span>图片: <br/><img src="http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/showpic.php?YXR0YWNobWVudC9UeXBlX2pwZy8yNl8zNF8xZjZkM2I0M2I4MzEzZmIuanBn" border="0" alt=""/> <br/><br/>图片: <br/><img src="http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/showpic.php?YXR0YWNobWVudC9UeXBlX2pwZy8yNl8zNF9hMDAzOGIwZmQ4ZmRlNDQuanBn" border="0" alt=""/> <br/><br/>图片: <br/><img src="http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/showpic.php?YXR0YWNobWVudC9UeXBlX2pwZy8yNl8zNF8xODYwNmM1NTAwNTMzMDcuanBn" border="0" alt=""/> <br/><br/>图片: <br/><img src="http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/showpic.php?YXR0YWNobWVudC9UeXBlX2pwZy8yNl8zNF81OTY2MjhiOTI3MmY2Y2UuanBn" border="0" alt=""/> <br/><span class="tpc_content"><font size="3">译文:<br/><br/></font><font size="3"><b>  荒废的监狱,一个仍然留在伊拉克人心中的恐惧<br/><br/>  Loyalty转运站,一个依旧使伊拉克人恐惧的地方</b><br/><br/>  现在第三师和第二旅的联合驻地,这个位于巴格达东部的基地曾经是伊拉克国家安全总局,是一个用于消灭沙达姆侯赛因影响力的中枢。<br/><br/>  第二旅的情报官员,来至纽约Cobleskill的Greg Holmes少尉说:当我们2003年到达这里的时候,我们很多的翻译人员甚至不愿意进入这里。<br/><br/>  因为,大部分的伊拉克人都对这个声名狼藉的监狱记忆犹新,它就像一张大嘴吞噬了数以百计的人。现在,美军将它作为仓库,但这个废弃的监狱仍然保留了一种不易忘怀的恐怖象征。它那残破的墙和残存的铁门发出铮铮悲咛。<br/><br/>  美国驻伊拉克情报局的情报官员,来至第二旅的Maj Steve Rosson说:相当多的伊拉克人到现在还不愿意走近这座监狱,他们认为一旦进了这堵墙,你将进地狱。<br/><br/>  现在,它永远的带着了这个污名。这也是为什么我们将它粉饰一新作为我们的感化中心,或许是历史决定了这一切吧。。。<br/><br/>  在沙达姆时代,每天都有这个国家的持不同政见者和敌人被关到这里审问、殴打、做那些违反人权的事情。<br/><br/>  Rosson说:第二旅的装甲骑兵团是2003年八月份到达这里的,他们发现那些折磨人的刑具依然在这里,在一个狭窄的长廊后,犯人被根据不同的需要很不舒服的铐在地上。<br/><br/>  经过不长的一段时间他们会给犯人放风。<br/><br/>  Rosson按照成千上万的文件所说的告诉我们:这个监狱没有这个正式的名字,也不是作为长期的拘留所,但也有时候会将部分犯人关上十年甚至更长。美军占领了巴格达后,从档案里找到了一些关于这个监狱的线索,最早可以追述到1961年。<br/><br/>  如果你了解这个政权就知道他们经常完全删除一些不愿意被人看到的档案。这个现在被称为转运中心的地方拥有很多笼子和单人囚室甚至医院,美军相信这里曾作为化学战剂的试验基地。<br/><br/></font><font size="3"><b>  Rosson说:中国劳工修建了这些设施,包括监狱。当建设完工后,沙达姆指责这些劳工是间谍并逮捕了他们,让他们成了这里第一批囚犯。这里很多广东话被囚犯们留在了墙上。<br/><br/>  我们不知道有多少中国劳工曾被囚禁在这里,我相信他们被囚禁在这里很多年,最终死在了监狱里。很显然,这些中国人知道得太多了,沙达姆可不愿让他们回家。</b><br/><br/>  相当多的阿拉伯语同样也被雕在墙上面,但很多已经模糊不清。<br/><br/>  这个监狱在战争中遭到了一定程度的破坏,当美军接管这个监狱的时候仍有近500人囚禁在里面。<br/><br/>  Hayder Abdul-Nabi说:他的两个兄弟曾被关在里面,一个被关了7年,一个被关了10年。他们犯了什么罪呢?仅仅是在伊拉克安全部队时弄丢了手枪。<br/><br/>  我们不知道这7年里他遭受了什么。Abdul-Nabi承认,他现在还是不敢进入这座监狱哪怕一分钟。伊拉克人对这座监狱是相当的恐惧。监狱的管理者甚至用硫酸将人烧死。<br/><br/>  每个夜里黑暗仅仅的抓住Loyalty,哪怕基地的官员因安全原因把灯开得最暗。它向外面的人提醒着,这里曾经抚育着罪恶。<br/><br/>  这个基地依然给伊拉克人带来恐惧。Rosson说:伊拉克人虽然知道这个监狱已经荒废,但它仍然给他们带来心里的恐惧。</font><br/><br/></span>
=============================<br/><br/>print article | e-mail to a friend <br/>Old prison a chilling reminder for Iraqis <br/>Notorious detention center now used for storage for FOB Liberty <br/><br/>By Vince Little, Stars and Stripes<br/>Mideast edition, Sunday, April 3, 2005<br/><br/><br/><br/>Vince Little / S&amp;S <br/>The former detention center at Forward Operating Base Loyalty, Iraq, was partially damaged during the war's shock and awe?phase, Army officials said, when U.S. planes took out the security complex's headquarters and operations center.<br/><br/>Craig Zentkovich / U.S. Army <br/>The former detention center at Forward Operating Base Loyalty, Iraq, could hold about 500 people. At least 18 inmates -- and sometimes up to 30 -- were packed into the prison's tiny cells.<br/><br/>Craig Zentkovich / U.S. Army <br/>Arabic phrases are carved into cell doors and walls inside the prison.<br/><br/>Craig Zentkovich / U.S. Army <br/>Army officials say Chinese laborers built all the facilities on Forward Operating Base Loyalty, Iraq, including the notorious former detention center used by the old regime. After construction, Saddam Hussein allegedly charged them with espionage and they became its first occupants. Cantonese is scribbled on the walls of many cells. <br/><br/>FORWARD OPERATING BASE LOYALTY, Iraq ?It's a place that still terrifies the Iraqi people.<br/><br/>Now home to the 3rd Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade Combat Team, this base in eastern Baghdad was once the site of Iraq's General Security National Headquarters, an intelligence nerve center used with chilling effect by the Saddam Hussein regime.<br/><br/>when we were here in 2003, a lot of our interpreters wouldn't even come inside the gates,?said Army 1st Lt. Greg Holmes of Cobleskill, N.Y., the 2nd Brigade's assistant intelligence officer.<br/><br/>That's because most Iraqis remember the notorious former detention center tucked away on the grounds, one of hundreds just like it across the country. The Army now uses it for storage, but the old jail remains a haunting symbol of the past ?with tattered concrete walls and metal doors that offer disturbing tales of what transpired inside.<br/><br/>The base was their version of the Iraqi FBI, responsible for internal security,?said Maj. Steve Rosson of Jonesboro, Ill., intelligence officer for the 2nd Brigade. Many Iraqis today still refuse to walk near the prison. The belief was that once you walked inside the walls, you were never seen again.<br/><br/>To this day, it carries a stigma. It's one of the reasons we haven't refurbished it and used it as a detention center, because of the history. <br/><br/>Political dissidents and enemies of the state were brought here, those who didn't serve Saddam.?Interrogation, beatings and inhumane living conditions were part of daily life.<br/><br/>Soldiers from the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment arrived in August 2003 and discovered torture devices still in place, Rosson said. Outside, along a narrow corridor on the building's interior, prisoners were allegedly chained to the floor in awkward, uncomfortable positions.<br/><br/>揝peculation is they keep them there for extended periods,?he said. That was their idea of giving them outdoor time. <br/><br/>No name was attached to the prison. It wasn't designed for long-term confinement, but some wound up staying for a decade or longer, according to Rosson, citing thousands of files ?some dating to 1961 ?found in the compound's archives building after the fall of Baghdad.<br/><br/>Just knowing the regime, they could have been completely truncated charges to hold people for years,?he added.<br/><br/>Most of the buildings on what is now called FOB Loyalty had some form of a holding cell or cage, even the hospital, where Army officials believe chemical interrogation may have taken place.<br/><br/>Rosson said Chinese laborers built all the facilities, including the prison. After construction, Saddam charged them with espionage and they became its first occupants. Cantonese is scribbled on the walls of many cells.<br/><br/>we have no idea when that took place and it's uncertain how many Chinese there were. It's believed they spent many years there and died in the prison, Rosson said. Apparently, they knew too much to go back home. <br/><br/>Arabic phrases also are carved into cell doors and walls, though it's unclear what the statements say.<br/><br/>The prison, partially damaged during the war's shock and awe? phase ?when U.S. planes took out the security complex's headquarters and operations center ? could hold about 500 people.<br/><br/>Hayder Abdul-Nabi said two of his brothers were inmates. One spent seven years and then did 10 more at Abu Ghraib. His crime? He lost a pistol while serving in the Iraqi security forces.<br/><br/>we didn't know anything about [what happened to] him for seven years,? Abdul-Nabi said, conceding he was hesitant to even go inside the prison during a recent tour. The Iraqi people are very scared of this place. They kill people here by pouring acid on them. <br/><br/>Darkness grips Loyalty each night, as base officials keep lights to a minimum for security reasons. It's perhaps a fitting reminder to those outside the wire of what the place once represented.<br/><br/>The base still has an eerie quality to it and certainly among the Iraqis, Rosson said. They know the prison isn't used for anything anymore, but it still puts fear in their hearts.<br/>
  记得原先超大还有人给萨达姆喊冤,说他的一切都是美国捏造的......其实我还是持两边都不是好东西的观点--而且萨达姆尤甚,他造的孽太多了。
嘿嘿 独裁专制份子什么事情干不出来啊
<p>呵呵,不说话,怕FQ的帽子压死我</p>
你怎么就知道是萨干的?有任何证据吗?<br/>先不说军事关系,就凭中国公司长期在伊拉克承包大量工程,<br/>萨为什么要关押并杀害大量的中国劳工???<br/>我倒是怀疑是美国人在战争期间杀了中国人再栽赃的。<br/>这也不是没有可能的,美国占领巴格达之后就故意不保护中国大使馆,纵容对反伊战的国家使馆进行轰抢。<br/><br/>
以我们和伊拉克的关系,我不相信这报道
道听途说也转???????????????/
<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>godgod</i>在2006-3-3 21:58:00的发言:</b><br/>你怎么就知道是萨干的?有任何证据吗?<br/>先不说军事关系,就凭中国公司长期在伊拉克承包大量工程,<br/>萨为什么要关押并杀害大量的中国劳工???<br/>我倒是怀疑是美国人在战争期间杀了中国人再栽赃的。<br/>这也不是没有可能的,美国占领巴格达之后就故意不保护中国大使馆,纵容对反伊战的国家使馆进行轰抢。<br/><br/></div><p>不要激动,其实独裁者的思维是很难想象的,仅仅一分报道,固然不足以说明什么,但是这个导致伊拉克亡国的无耻之徒,兄台何必替他多言?</p>
<p>楼上的XD,伊拉克亡国的主要还是老美吧,谁叫你有石油又不肯听话呢</p><p></p><p></p><p>不过这篇报道的来源不知道是那里.难道在战争过去那么久老美才发现这样好的宣传资料?</p>
<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>智动铅笔</i>在2006-3-4 0:25:00的发言:</b><br/><br/><p>不要激动,其实独裁者的思维是很难想象的,仅仅一分报道,固然不足以说明什么,但是这个导致伊拉克亡国的无耻之徒,兄台何必替他多言?</p></div><p>另外,XD的话大有问题,事实就是事实,难道就可以随意给人家泼脏水? </p><p>&nbsp; </p><p>按照你最后一句话的逻辑,那么老美说伊拉克有大规模杀伤性武器的谎言也是有必要的了</p>
<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>godgod</i>在2006-3-3 21:58:00的发言:</b><br/>你怎么就知道是萨干的?有任何证据吗?<br/>先不说军事关系,就凭中国公司长期在伊拉克承包大量工程,<br/>萨为什么要关押并杀害大量的中国劳工???<br/>我倒是怀疑是美国人在战争期间杀了中国人再栽赃的。<br/>这也不是没有可能的,美国占领巴格达之后就故意不保护中国大使馆,纵容对反伊战的国家使馆进行轰抢。<br/><br/></div><p></p>作为一个中国人,首先想到的应该是敦促中国政府查明真相!那么急着就帮萨达姆脱罪干什么?
<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>godgod</i>在2006-3-3 21:58:00的发言:</b><br/>你怎么就知道是萨干的?有任何证据吗?<br/>先不说军事关系,就凭中国公司长期在伊拉克承包大量工程,<br/>萨为什么要关押并杀害大量的中国劳工???<br/>我倒是怀疑是美国人在战争期间杀了中国人再栽赃的。<br/>这也不是没有可能的,美国占领巴格达之后就故意不保护中国大使馆,纵容对反伊战的国家使馆进行轰抢。<br/><br/></div><p>&nbsp; </p><p>一个可以大肆杀戮本国人民的统治者,你凭什么相信他会善待外国的劳工??和巴基斯坦不一样,撒大母和中国的关系从来就没真正友好过,互相利用而已,特别是90年海湾战争之后撒大母对中国摸棱两可的立场是非常不满的,中国人在伊拉克的日子就越发不好过了,你听新华社那些记者YY什么中国人在伊拉克很受尊重,据回来的人讲,无论是民工还是商人,中国人的地位比撒大母的死敌-美国人低多了!别人有强大的后台,中国人有什么??妄图两面不得罪的行为最后换来的就是谁也不鸟你!</p>
<p>如果有这样的报道,中国政府应该查清此事,又不难,除偷渡客外,正常的劳务输出很好查清去向的。</p>