超级军网土鸡真比哭泣强，土耳其的中国导弹协议：游戏还没结束
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土耳其人最喜欢的事情莫过于：世界强国的代表团们来敲门，给他们讲笑话，借此来改变他们的想法——或者阻止他国代表团去改变土耳其人的想法。上周，来自美国和中国的军队和政府官员在土耳其就是这么做的。
The Chinese want Ankara tofinalize a $3.44 billion deal which Chinese Precision Machinery Import andExport Corp. (CPMIEC) has come close to finalizing, but may lose out on at thelast minute. The Americans want them to lose out. So do the Europeans who werenot in Ankara onthe same week as the Americans and Chinese were.
中国人想让土耳其最终定下与中国精密机械进出口公司的34.4亿美元的协议。这家中国公司眼看就要与土耳其方面达成协议了，可是最终可能会失败。因为美国人不想看到这种事情发生。欧洲人也不想看到中国获得这个合同。
The contract is to build Turkey’s first long-range air and anti-missile defenseshield.
这个合同的内容是为土耳其建立首个远程空中以及反导弹防御系统。
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A senior defense procurement official said the three-way competition looks likeit has still not yet ended. “We have not yet signed a contract with any rivalmanufacturer. We shall remain receptive to improved offers from all threebidders,” he said.
一名高级国防采购官员说这三方的竞争似乎还没结束。“我们还未与任何一方签订合同。如果这三方能够提供更好的方案，我们当然愿意接受。”
On Sept. 26, NATO memberTurkey announced that it selected CPMIEC for the program, sparking a majordispute over whether the Chinese-built system could be integrated withthe NATO airdefense assets stationed in Turkey.
9月26号，北约成员国土耳其宣布挑选这家中国公司进行该项目，这引发了很大的争议，因为人们担心中国建造的系统能否与北约在土耳其的防空设备兼容。
Despite warnings from U.S. and NATO officials whohave expressed concerns about interoperability problems, Turkey’s topprocurement official, Murad Bayar, has said the Chinese system would beoperable with the NATO assetsstationed in Turkey.
尽管美国和北约官员发出了警告，担心中国的系统和北约的系统可能在互用性上无法兼容，但是土耳其高级国防采购官员Murad Bayar说中国建造的系统将能够与北约在土耳其的设备兼容。
According to Bayar, Turkey selected the Chinese solution because it was betterthan rival bids in terms of “price, technology, local work share, technologytransfer and credit financing terms.”
根据这名官员的说法，之所以选择中国的方案，是因为在“价格，技术，分工，技术转移以及金融信贷等条款上”中国的方案比其他国家公司的要好。
About half of Turkey’s network-based air defense radar picture has been paidfor by NATO, as they are part of the NATO Air DefenseGround Environment. Without NATO’s consent, it will be impossible for Turkey tomake the planned system interoperable with these assets, some analystssay.
土耳其一半的基于网络的防空雷达设备的费用都是北约支付的，因为这些位于土耳其境内的雷达属于北约防空地面设施的组成部分。在没有获得北约同意的情况下，土耳其是无法使这个计划中的北约系统同中国的设备进行兼容的，一些分析者如此说道。
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论坛地址：http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-248098-1-1.htmlamerican american
11/5/2013 11:00:35 PM
red tail, why are you surprised? look around you at the shoddy work that is being done. turkey is not as economically strong as some would like you to believe. the road in odtu cannot even be built properly. money makes the world go round - this why construction has not been successful here.
red tail，你为什么感到惊讶？看看你周围那些正在建成的质量恶劣的作品。土耳其的经济可不像某些人要你想象的那么发达啊。有些地方，连建设道路的资金都没有。是钱让这个世界运转啊——这就是土耳其的基础建设不成功的原因了。
american american
11/5/2013 10:49:24 PM
actually turkey, the game is very over.
实际上，土耳其，游戏已经结束。
Eric Martin
11/5/2013 9:33:16 PM
This is about the USA's hatred for China. If the USA and Europe is so concerned about interoperability then they can send their engineers to examine the missile systems code and make it work. Or they might match prices. BUT THEY WONT. Turkiye has a right to buy it's own missile defense for it's OWN country.
这就是美国对中国的敌意了。如果美国和欧洲如此关心兼容性问题，那么可以派技术人员去检查导弹的系统码并进行兼容。或者直接降低价格打败竞争对手。但是他们就是不这么做。土耳其当然有权力购买自己的导弹防御系统。
alkan alkan
11/5/2013 6:55:01 PM
"According to Bayar the Chinese solution was better than rival bids in terms of price, technology, local work share, technology transfer and credit financing terms" Then it is irresponsible and criminal not to give the job to the Chinese.!
“根据这名官员的说法，之所以选择中国的方案，是因为在“价格，技术，分工，技术转移以及金融信贷等条款上”中国的方案比其他国家公司的要好。“
如果是这种情况而不把这项工作交给中国人来做的话，那么就是不负责任的和犯罪的了。
ilker avni
11/5/2013 5:30:05 PM
I find this whole bussiness bazar,China a frend or foe willing to share technology,and our supposed allies wont share,Iran has the technology via china and is produceing long range missiles that can hit turkey and israel,Irans militarypower is thanks to chinese technology and are years ahead of turkey.
我发现整件事情有点集市（混乱）啊，作为朋友或者敌人的中国愿意和我们分享技术，而我们原本的盟友却不愿意和我们分享技术，而伊朗又通过中国获得了技术，并且正在生成可以打到土耳其和以色列的远程导弹，而多亏了中国的技术，伊朗的军力超过了土耳其的军力。
raoul nedim hamarat
11/5/2013 3:59:25 PM
Bazaar mentality in this case is crass extortion. Only one way to deal with extortion, say NO! If Turkey wants out of NATO, it's time to go.
这个事件中的集市心态就是赤裸裸的敲诈。只有一种方法可以解决对付这种敲诈，那就是说不！如果土耳其想退出北约，那就趁现在。
Murat
11/5/2013 3:46:53 PM
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes the best offer wins. Technology transfer was critical for Turks, that was no secret. Bidders have no obligation to transfer technology and the Turkish government has no obligation to award them contaracts. I hope the secretariat does what is right becasue it is right technically, not because of pressure this or that way. Integration with NATO systems is NOT a requirement for these systems to be effective. Period.
有时候，我们要实事求是，不能有太高的期望。有时候，最好的投标方案肯定赢。技术转让对土耳其来说非常重要，这不是什么秘密。投标人没有义务转让技术，土耳其政府也没有义务奖励他们合同。我希望土耳其做正确的事情，而不要出于他国的压力而做出决定。不一定要与北约的系统兼容才能说明其他系统是有用的吧。鉴定完毕。
Murat Murat
11/5/2013 10:22:01 AM
The message is clear: we have chosen the Chinese missile system on bases of what they offer, if you guys want Turkey to change mind offer better! All those nonse that NATO won't allow interoperability is nonsense, who is NATO? If Turkey is part of NATO than Turkey has a say in this one too, if not than NATO can go to hell.
所传达的信息很清楚：我们之所以选择中国，是基于其方案的诱人之处，如果你们想让土耳其改变主意，那就提供更好的方案出来！说北约不愿意与中国系统进行兼容，这简直就是废话，谁是北约？如果土耳其是北约的成员，那么土耳其在这件事情上当然有话语权，如果不是北约成员，那么北约就给我滚蛋。
Red Tail
11/5/2013 5:36:54 AM
It says in the article "About half of Turkey’s network-based air defense radar picture has been paid for by NATO, as they are part of the NATO Air Defense Ground Environment." Why have we never heard about this from Erdogan or the Turkish press?
文章中说“土耳其一半的基于网络的防空雷达设备费用都是北约支付的，因为这些位于土耳其境内的雷达属于北约防空地面设施的组成部分。”
我们怎么就没有从埃尔多安和土耳其媒体那里听说过这种事情？
Thessalonian
11/5/2013 3:09:00 AM
As many predicted, including HDN's Mr.Bekdil, Turkey is gradually but surelybacking out of the Chinese deal while attempting to save face at the same time.In anycase, what really matters here is that Turkey remains in NATO andacquires a system which is not only compatible and interoperable but also madeby its NATO allies. The latter will benefit Turkey not only in the defensefacet but in many others. Regards
正如许多人所猜测的那样，土耳其在渐渐的退出与中国的这个协议的同时也在尽量的挽回面子。无论如何，真正重要的事情是土耳其依然是北约成员国，并且获得了北约盟国制造的相容而又可互操作的系统。北约盟国不仅在防卫上而且也可以在其他方面帮助土耳其。
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/11038.html土耳其人最喜欢的事情莫过于：世界强国的代表团们来敲门，给他们讲笑话，借此来改变他们的想法——或者阻止他国代表团去改变土耳其人的想法。上周，来自美国和中国的军队和政府官员在土耳其就是这么做的。
The Chinese want Ankara tofinalize a $3.44 billion deal which Chinese Precision Machinery Import andExport Corp. (CPMIEC) has come close to finalizing, but may lose out on at thelast minute. The Americans want them to lose out. So do the Europeans who werenot in Ankara onthe same week as the Americans and Chinese were.
中国人想让土耳其最终定下与中国精密机械进出口公司的34.4亿美元的协议。这家中国公司眼看就要与土耳其方面达成协议了，可是最终可能会失败。因为美国人不想看到这种事情发生。欧洲人也不想看到中国获得这个合同。
The contract is to build Turkey’s first long-range air and anti-missile defenseshield.
这个合同的内容是为土耳其建立首个远程空中以及反导弹防御系统。
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A senior defense procurement official said the three-way competition looks likeit has still not yet ended. “We have not yet signed a contract with any rivalmanufacturer. We shall remain receptive to improved offers from all threebidders,” he said.
一名高级国防采购官员说这三方的竞争似乎还没结束。“我们还未与任何一方签订合同。如果这三方能够提供更好的方案，我们当然愿意接受。”
On Sept. 26, NATO memberTurkey announced that it selected CPMIEC for the program, sparking a majordispute over whether the Chinese-built system could be integrated withthe NATO airdefense assets stationed in Turkey.
9月26号，北约成员国土耳其宣布挑选这家中国公司进行该项目，这引发了很大的争议，因为人们担心中国建造的系统能否与北约在土耳其的防空设备兼容。
Despite warnings from U.S. and NATO officials whohave expressed concerns about interoperability problems, Turkey’s topprocurement official, Murad Bayar, has said the Chinese system would beoperable with the NATO assetsstationed in Turkey.
尽管美国和北约官员发出了警告，担心中国的系统和北约的系统可能在互用性上无法兼容，但是土耳其高级国防采购官员Murad Bayar说中国建造的系统将能够与北约在土耳其的设备兼容。
According to Bayar, Turkey selected the Chinese solution because it was betterthan rival bids in terms of “price, technology, local work share, technologytransfer and credit financing terms.”
根据这名官员的说法，之所以选择中国的方案，是因为在“价格，技术，分工，技术转移以及金融信贷等条款上”中国的方案比其他国家公司的要好。
About half of Turkey’s network-based air defense radar picture has been paidfor by NATO, as they are part of the NATO Air DefenseGround Environment. Without NATO’s consent, it will be impossible for Turkey tomake the planned system interoperable with these assets, some analystssay.
土耳其一半的基于网络的防空雷达设备的费用都是北约支付的，因为这些位于土耳其境内的雷达属于北约防空地面设施的组成部分。在没有获得北约同意的情况下，土耳其是无法使这个计划中的北约系统同中国的设备进行兼容的，一些分析者如此说道。
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论坛地址：http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-248098-1-1.htmlamerican american
11/5/2013 11:00:35 PM
red tail, why are you surprised? look around you at the shoddy work that is being done. turkey is not as economically strong as some would like you to believe. the road in odtu cannot even be built properly. money makes the world go round - this why construction has not been successful here.
red tail，你为什么感到惊讶？看看你周围那些正在建成的质量恶劣的作品。土耳其的经济可不像某些人要你想象的那么发达啊。有些地方，连建设道路的资金都没有。是钱让这个世界运转啊——这就是土耳其的基础建设不成功的原因了。
american american
11/5/2013 10:49:24 PM
actually turkey, the game is very over.
实际上，土耳其，游戏已经结束。
Eric Martin
11/5/2013 9:33:16 PM
This is about the USA's hatred for China. If the USA and Europe is so concerned about interoperability then they can send their engineers to examine the missile systems code and make it work. Or they might match prices. BUT THEY WONT. Turkiye has a right to buy it's own missile defense for it's OWN country.
这就是美国对中国的敌意了。如果美国和欧洲如此关心兼容性问题，那么可以派技术人员去检查导弹的系统码并进行兼容。或者直接降低价格打败竞争对手。但是他们就是不这么做。土耳其当然有权力购买自己的导弹防御系统。
alkan alkan
11/5/2013 6:55:01 PM
"According to Bayar the Chinese solution was better than rival bids in terms of price, technology, local work share, technology transfer and credit financing terms" Then it is irresponsible and criminal not to give the job to the Chinese.!
“根据这名官员的说法，之所以选择中国的方案，是因为在“价格，技术，分工，技术转移以及金融信贷等条款上”中国的方案比其他国家公司的要好。“
如果是这种情况而不把这项工作交给中国人来做的话，那么就是不负责任的和犯罪的了。
ilker avni
11/5/2013 5:30:05 PM
I find this whole bussiness bazar,China a frend or foe willing to share technology,and our supposed allies wont share,Iran has the technology via china and is produceing long range missiles that can hit turkey and israel,Irans militarypower is thanks to chinese technology and are years ahead of turkey.
我发现整件事情有点集市（混乱）啊，作为朋友或者敌人的中国愿意和我们分享技术，而我们原本的盟友却不愿意和我们分享技术，而伊朗又通过中国获得了技术，并且正在生成可以打到土耳其和以色列的远程导弹，而多亏了中国的技术，伊朗的军力超过了土耳其的军力。
raoul nedim hamarat
11/5/2013 3:59:25 PM
Bazaar mentality in this case is crass extortion. Only one way to deal with extortion, say NO! If Turkey wants out of NATO, it's time to go.
这个事件中的集市心态就是赤裸裸的敲诈。只有一种方法可以解决对付这种敲诈，那就是说不！如果土耳其想退出北约，那就趁现在。
Murat
11/5/2013 3:46:53 PM
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes the best offer wins. Technology transfer was critical for Turks, that was no secret. Bidders have no obligation to transfer technology and the Turkish government has no obligation to award them contaracts. I hope the secretariat does what is right becasue it is right technically, not because of pressure this or that way. Integration with NATO systems is NOT a requirement for these systems to be effective. Period.
有时候，我们要实事求是，不能有太高的期望。有时候，最好的投标方案肯定赢。技术转让对土耳其来说非常重要，这不是什么秘密。投标人没有义务转让技术，土耳其政府也没有义务奖励他们合同。我希望土耳其做正确的事情，而不要出于他国的压力而做出决定。不一定要与北约的系统兼容才能说明其他系统是有用的吧。鉴定完毕。
Murat Murat
11/5/2013 10:22:01 AM
The message is clear: we have chosen the Chinese missile system on bases of what they offer, if you guys want Turkey to change mind offer better! All those nonse that NATO won't allow interoperability is nonsense, who is NATO? If Turkey is part of NATO than Turkey has a say in this one too, if not than NATO can go to hell.
所传达的信息很清楚：我们之所以选择中国，是基于其方案的诱人之处，如果你们想让土耳其改变主意，那就提供更好的方案出来！说北约不愿意与中国系统进行兼容，这简直就是废话，谁是北约？如果土耳其是北约的成员，那么土耳其在这件事情上当然有话语权，如果不是北约成员，那么北约就给我滚蛋。
Red Tail
11/5/2013 5:36:54 AM
It says in the article "About half of Turkey’s network-based air defense radar picture has been paid for by NATO, as they are part of the NATO Air Defense Ground Environment." Why have we never heard about this from Erdogan or the Turkish press?
文章中说“土耳其一半的基于网络的防空雷达设备费用都是北约支付的，因为这些位于土耳其境内的雷达属于北约防空地面设施的组成部分。”
我们怎么就没有从埃尔多安和土耳其媒体那里听说过这种事情？
Thessalonian
11/5/2013 3:09:00 AM
As many predicted, including HDN's Mr.Bekdil, Turkey is gradually but surelybacking out of the Chinese deal while attempting to save face at the same time.In anycase, what really matters here is that Turkey remains in NATO andacquires a system which is not only compatible and interoperable but also madeby its NATO allies. The latter will benefit Turkey not only in the defensefacet but in many others. Regards
正如许多人所猜测的那样，土耳其在渐渐的退出与中国的这个协议的同时也在尽量的挽回面子。无论如何，真正重要的事情是土耳其依然是北约成员国，并且获得了北约盟国制造的相容而又可互操作的系统。北约盟国不仅在防卫上而且也可以在其他方面帮助土耳其。
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/11038.html
The Chinese want Ankara tofinalize a $3.44 billion deal which Chinese Precision Machinery Import andExport Corp. (CPMIEC) has come close to finalizing, but may lose out on at thelast minute. The Americans want them to lose out. So do the Europeans who werenot in Ankara onthe same week as the Americans and Chinese were.
中国人想让土耳其最终定下与中国精密机械进出口公司的34.4亿美元的协议。这家中国公司眼看就要与土耳其方面达成协议了，可是最终可能会失败。因为美国人不想看到这种事情发生。欧洲人也不想看到中国获得这个合同。
The contract is to build Turkey’s first long-range air and anti-missile defenseshield.
这个合同的内容是为土耳其建立首个远程空中以及反导弹防御系统。
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A senior defense procurement official said the three-way competition looks likeit has still not yet ended. “We have not yet signed a contract with any rivalmanufacturer. We shall remain receptive to improved offers from all threebidders,” he said.
一名高级国防采购官员说这三方的竞争似乎还没结束。“我们还未与任何一方签订合同。如果这三方能够提供更好的方案，我们当然愿意接受。”
On Sept. 26, NATO memberTurkey announced that it selected CPMIEC for the program, sparking a majordispute over whether the Chinese-built system could be integrated withthe NATO airdefense assets stationed in Turkey.
9月26号，北约成员国土耳其宣布挑选这家中国公司进行该项目，这引发了很大的争议，因为人们担心中国建造的系统能否与北约在土耳其的防空设备兼容。
Despite warnings from U.S. and NATO officials whohave expressed concerns about interoperability problems, Turkey’s topprocurement official, Murad Bayar, has said the Chinese system would beoperable with the NATO assetsstationed in Turkey.
尽管美国和北约官员发出了警告，担心中国的系统和北约的系统可能在互用性上无法兼容，但是土耳其高级国防采购官员Murad Bayar说中国建造的系统将能够与北约在土耳其的设备兼容。
According to Bayar, Turkey selected the Chinese solution because it was betterthan rival bids in terms of “price, technology, local work share, technologytransfer and credit financing terms.”
根据这名官员的说法，之所以选择中国的方案，是因为在“价格，技术，分工，技术转移以及金融信贷等条款上”中国的方案比其他国家公司的要好。
About half of Turkey’s network-based air defense radar picture has been paidfor by NATO, as they are part of the NATO Air DefenseGround Environment. Without NATO’s consent, it will be impossible for Turkey tomake the planned system interoperable with these assets, some analystssay.
土耳其一半的基于网络的防空雷达设备的费用都是北约支付的，因为这些位于土耳其境内的雷达属于北约防空地面设施的组成部分。在没有获得北约同意的情况下，土耳其是无法使这个计划中的北约系统同中国的设备进行兼容的，一些分析者如此说道。
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论坛地址：http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-248098-1-1.htmlamerican american
11/5/2013 11:00:35 PM
red tail, why are you surprised? look around you at the shoddy work that is being done. turkey is not as economically strong as some would like you to believe. the road in odtu cannot even be built properly. money makes the world go round - this why construction has not been successful here.
red tail，你为什么感到惊讶？看看你周围那些正在建成的质量恶劣的作品。土耳其的经济可不像某些人要你想象的那么发达啊。有些地方，连建设道路的资金都没有。是钱让这个世界运转啊——这就是土耳其的基础建设不成功的原因了。
american american
11/5/2013 10:49:24 PM
actually turkey, the game is very over.
实际上，土耳其，游戏已经结束。
Eric Martin
11/5/2013 9:33:16 PM
This is about the USA's hatred for China. If the USA and Europe is so concerned about interoperability then they can send their engineers to examine the missile systems code and make it work. Or they might match prices. BUT THEY WONT. Turkiye has a right to buy it's own missile defense for it's OWN country.
这就是美国对中国的敌意了。如果美国和欧洲如此关心兼容性问题，那么可以派技术人员去检查导弹的系统码并进行兼容。或者直接降低价格打败竞争对手。但是他们就是不这么做。土耳其当然有权力购买自己的导弹防御系统。
alkan alkan
11/5/2013 6:55:01 PM
"According to Bayar the Chinese solution was better than rival bids in terms of price, technology, local work share, technology transfer and credit financing terms" Then it is irresponsible and criminal not to give the job to the Chinese.!
“根据这名官员的说法，之所以选择中国的方案，是因为在“价格，技术，分工，技术转移以及金融信贷等条款上”中国的方案比其他国家公司的要好。“
如果是这种情况而不把这项工作交给中国人来做的话，那么就是不负责任的和犯罪的了。
ilker avni
11/5/2013 5:30:05 PM
I find this whole bussiness bazar,China a frend or foe willing to share technology,and our supposed allies wont share,Iran has the technology via china and is produceing long range missiles that can hit turkey and israel,Irans militarypower is thanks to chinese technology and are years ahead of turkey.
我发现整件事情有点集市（混乱）啊，作为朋友或者敌人的中国愿意和我们分享技术，而我们原本的盟友却不愿意和我们分享技术，而伊朗又通过中国获得了技术，并且正在生成可以打到土耳其和以色列的远程导弹，而多亏了中国的技术，伊朗的军力超过了土耳其的军力。
raoul nedim hamarat
11/5/2013 3:59:25 PM
Bazaar mentality in this case is crass extortion. Only one way to deal with extortion, say NO! If Turkey wants out of NATO, it's time to go.
这个事件中的集市心态就是赤裸裸的敲诈。只有一种方法可以解决对付这种敲诈，那就是说不！如果土耳其想退出北约，那就趁现在。
Murat
11/5/2013 3:46:53 PM
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes the best offer wins. Technology transfer was critical for Turks, that was no secret. Bidders have no obligation to transfer technology and the Turkish government has no obligation to award them contaracts. I hope the secretariat does what is right becasue it is right technically, not because of pressure this or that way. Integration with NATO systems is NOT a requirement for these systems to be effective. Period.
有时候，我们要实事求是，不能有太高的期望。有时候，最好的投标方案肯定赢。技术转让对土耳其来说非常重要，这不是什么秘密。投标人没有义务转让技术，土耳其政府也没有义务奖励他们合同。我希望土耳其做正确的事情，而不要出于他国的压力而做出决定。不一定要与北约的系统兼容才能说明其他系统是有用的吧。鉴定完毕。
Murat Murat
11/5/2013 10:22:01 AM
The message is clear: we have chosen the Chinese missile system on bases of what they offer, if you guys want Turkey to change mind offer better! All those nonse that NATO won't allow interoperability is nonsense, who is NATO? If Turkey is part of NATO than Turkey has a say in this one too, if not than NATO can go to hell.
所传达的信息很清楚：我们之所以选择中国，是基于其方案的诱人之处，如果你们想让土耳其改变主意，那就提供更好的方案出来！说北约不愿意与中国系统进行兼容，这简直就是废话，谁是北约？如果土耳其是北约的成员，那么土耳其在这件事情上当然有话语权，如果不是北约成员，那么北约就给我滚蛋。
Red Tail
11/5/2013 5:36:54 AM
It says in the article "About half of Turkey’s network-based air defense radar picture has been paid for by NATO, as they are part of the NATO Air Defense Ground Environment." Why have we never heard about this from Erdogan or the Turkish press?
文章中说“土耳其一半的基于网络的防空雷达设备费用都是北约支付的，因为这些位于土耳其境内的雷达属于北约防空地面设施的组成部分。”
我们怎么就没有从埃尔多安和土耳其媒体那里听说过这种事情？
Thessalonian
11/5/2013 3:09:00 AM
As many predicted, including HDN's Mr.Bekdil, Turkey is gradually but surelybacking out of the Chinese deal while attempting to save face at the same time.In anycase, what really matters here is that Turkey remains in NATO andacquires a system which is not only compatible and interoperable but also madeby its NATO allies. The latter will benefit Turkey not only in the defensefacet but in many others. Regards
正如许多人所猜测的那样，土耳其在渐渐的退出与中国的这个协议的同时也在尽量的挽回面子。无论如何，真正重要的事情是土耳其依然是北约成员国，并且获得了北约盟国制造的相容而又可互操作的系统。北约盟国不仅在防卫上而且也可以在其他方面帮助土耳其。
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/11038.html土耳其人最喜欢的事情莫过于：世界强国的代表团们来敲门，给他们讲笑话，借此来改变他们的想法——或者阻止他国代表团去改变土耳其人的想法。上周，来自美国和中国的军队和政府官员在土耳其就是这么做的。
The Chinese want Ankara tofinalize a $3.44 billion deal which Chinese Precision Machinery Import andExport Corp. (CPMIEC) has come close to finalizing, but may lose out on at thelast minute. The Americans want them to lose out. So do the Europeans who werenot in Ankara onthe same week as the Americans and Chinese were.
中国人想让土耳其最终定下与中国精密机械进出口公司的34.4亿美元的协议。这家中国公司眼看就要与土耳其方面达成协议了，可是最终可能会失败。因为美国人不想看到这种事情发生。欧洲人也不想看到中国获得这个合同。
The contract is to build Turkey’s first long-range air and anti-missile defenseshield.
这个合同的内容是为土耳其建立首个远程空中以及反导弹防御系统。
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A senior defense procurement official said the three-way competition looks likeit has still not yet ended. “We have not yet signed a contract with any rivalmanufacturer. We shall remain receptive to improved offers from all threebidders,” he said.
一名高级国防采购官员说这三方的竞争似乎还没结束。“我们还未与任何一方签订合同。如果这三方能够提供更好的方案，我们当然愿意接受。”
On Sept. 26, NATO memberTurkey announced that it selected CPMIEC for the program, sparking a majordispute over whether the Chinese-built system could be integrated withthe NATO airdefense assets stationed in Turkey.
9月26号，北约成员国土耳其宣布挑选这家中国公司进行该项目，这引发了很大的争议，因为人们担心中国建造的系统能否与北约在土耳其的防空设备兼容。
Despite warnings from U.S. and NATO officials whohave expressed concerns about interoperability problems, Turkey’s topprocurement official, Murad Bayar, has said the Chinese system would beoperable with the NATO assetsstationed in Turkey.
尽管美国和北约官员发出了警告，担心中国的系统和北约的系统可能在互用性上无法兼容，但是土耳其高级国防采购官员Murad Bayar说中国建造的系统将能够与北约在土耳其的设备兼容。
According to Bayar, Turkey selected the Chinese solution because it was betterthan rival bids in terms of “price, technology, local work share, technologytransfer and credit financing terms.”
根据这名官员的说法，之所以选择中国的方案，是因为在“价格，技术，分工，技术转移以及金融信贷等条款上”中国的方案比其他国家公司的要好。
About half of Turkey’s network-based air defense radar picture has been paidfor by NATO, as they are part of the NATO Air DefenseGround Environment. Without NATO’s consent, it will be impossible for Turkey tomake the planned system interoperable with these assets, some analystssay.
土耳其一半的基于网络的防空雷达设备的费用都是北约支付的，因为这些位于土耳其境内的雷达属于北约防空地面设施的组成部分。在没有获得北约同意的情况下，土耳其是无法使这个计划中的北约系统同中国的设备进行兼容的，一些分析者如此说道。
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论坛地址：http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-248098-1-1.htmlamerican american
11/5/2013 11:00:35 PM
red tail, why are you surprised? look around you at the shoddy work that is being done. turkey is not as economically strong as some would like you to believe. the road in odtu cannot even be built properly. money makes the world go round - this why construction has not been successful here.
red tail，你为什么感到惊讶？看看你周围那些正在建成的质量恶劣的作品。土耳其的经济可不像某些人要你想象的那么发达啊。有些地方，连建设道路的资金都没有。是钱让这个世界运转啊——这就是土耳其的基础建设不成功的原因了。
american american
11/5/2013 10:49:24 PM
actually turkey, the game is very over.
实际上，土耳其，游戏已经结束。
Eric Martin
11/5/2013 9:33:16 PM
This is about the USA's hatred for China. If the USA and Europe is so concerned about interoperability then they can send their engineers to examine the missile systems code and make it work. Or they might match prices. BUT THEY WONT. Turkiye has a right to buy it's own missile defense for it's OWN country.
这就是美国对中国的敌意了。如果美国和欧洲如此关心兼容性问题，那么可以派技术人员去检查导弹的系统码并进行兼容。或者直接降低价格打败竞争对手。但是他们就是不这么做。土耳其当然有权力购买自己的导弹防御系统。
alkan alkan
11/5/2013 6:55:01 PM
"According to Bayar the Chinese solution was better than rival bids in terms of price, technology, local work share, technology transfer and credit financing terms" Then it is irresponsible and criminal not to give the job to the Chinese.!
“根据这名官员的说法，之所以选择中国的方案，是因为在“价格，技术，分工，技术转移以及金融信贷等条款上”中国的方案比其他国家公司的要好。“
如果是这种情况而不把这项工作交给中国人来做的话，那么就是不负责任的和犯罪的了。
ilker avni
11/5/2013 5:30:05 PM
I find this whole bussiness bazar,China a frend or foe willing to share technology,and our supposed allies wont share,Iran has the technology via china and is produceing long range missiles that can hit turkey and israel,Irans militarypower is thanks to chinese technology and are years ahead of turkey.
我发现整件事情有点集市（混乱）啊，作为朋友或者敌人的中国愿意和我们分享技术，而我们原本的盟友却不愿意和我们分享技术，而伊朗又通过中国获得了技术，并且正在生成可以打到土耳其和以色列的远程导弹，而多亏了中国的技术，伊朗的军力超过了土耳其的军力。
raoul nedim hamarat
11/5/2013 3:59:25 PM
Bazaar mentality in this case is crass extortion. Only one way to deal with extortion, say NO! If Turkey wants out of NATO, it's time to go.
这个事件中的集市心态就是赤裸裸的敲诈。只有一种方法可以解决对付这种敲诈，那就是说不！如果土耳其想退出北约，那就趁现在。
Murat
11/5/2013 3:46:53 PM
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes the best offer wins. Technology transfer was critical for Turks, that was no secret. Bidders have no obligation to transfer technology and the Turkish government has no obligation to award them contaracts. I hope the secretariat does what is right becasue it is right technically, not because of pressure this or that way. Integration with NATO systems is NOT a requirement for these systems to be effective. Period.
有时候，我们要实事求是，不能有太高的期望。有时候，最好的投标方案肯定赢。技术转让对土耳其来说非常重要，这不是什么秘密。投标人没有义务转让技术，土耳其政府也没有义务奖励他们合同。我希望土耳其做正确的事情，而不要出于他国的压力而做出决定。不一定要与北约的系统兼容才能说明其他系统是有用的吧。鉴定完毕。
Murat Murat
11/5/2013 10:22:01 AM
The message is clear: we have chosen the Chinese missile system on bases of what they offer, if you guys want Turkey to change mind offer better! All those nonse that NATO won't allow interoperability is nonsense, who is NATO? If Turkey is part of NATO than Turkey has a say in this one too, if not than NATO can go to hell.
所传达的信息很清楚：我们之所以选择中国，是基于其方案的诱人之处，如果你们想让土耳其改变主意，那就提供更好的方案出来！说北约不愿意与中国系统进行兼容，这简直就是废话，谁是北约？如果土耳其是北约的成员，那么土耳其在这件事情上当然有话语权，如果不是北约成员，那么北约就给我滚蛋。
Red Tail
11/5/2013 5:36:54 AM
It says in the article "About half of Turkey’s network-based air defense radar picture has been paid for by NATO, as they are part of the NATO Air Defense Ground Environment." Why have we never heard about this from Erdogan or the Turkish press?
文章中说“土耳其一半的基于网络的防空雷达设备费用都是北约支付的，因为这些位于土耳其境内的雷达属于北约防空地面设施的组成部分。”
我们怎么就没有从埃尔多安和土耳其媒体那里听说过这种事情？
Thessalonian
11/5/2013 3:09:00 AM
As many predicted, including HDN's Mr.Bekdil, Turkey is gradually but surelybacking out of the Chinese deal while attempting to save face at the same time.In anycase, what really matters here is that Turkey remains in NATO andacquires a system which is not only compatible and interoperable but also madeby its NATO allies. The latter will benefit Turkey not only in the defensefacet but in many others. Regards
正如许多人所猜测的那样，土耳其在渐渐的退出与中国的这个协议的同时也在尽量的挽回面子。无论如何，真正重要的事情是土耳其依然是北约成员国，并且获得了北约盟国制造的相容而又可互操作的系统。北约盟国不仅在防卫上而且也可以在其他方面帮助土耳其。
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/11038.html
中国导弹不要变成那啥，“苏35”？
听说欧盟现在用要找土耳其谈入欧的谈判了。不过私以为如果欧洲一时糊涂让土耳其进入欧洲，那等于是给绿教进入欧洲大开方便之门
我有知识我自豪 发表于 2013-11-8 22:01
听说欧盟现在用要找土耳其谈入欧的谈判了。不过私以为如果欧洲一时糊涂让土耳其进入欧洲，那等于是给绿教进 ...
或许这才是土鸡真目的，红酒只是当了回棋子
听说欧盟现在用要找土耳其谈入欧的谈判了。不过私以为如果欧洲一时糊涂让土耳其进入欧洲，那等于是给绿教进 ...
或许这才是土鸡真目的，红酒只是当了回棋子
lonqixia 发表于 2013-11-8 22:26
或许这才是土鸡真目的，红酒只是当了回棋子
what ever，即使最终红酒的单没签，至少红酒的性能被广而告之了，再说以后我朝也也可以卖给土鸡其他东西。反正土鸡进入欧盟到时欧盟有得好惨了。今年绿教在欧洲几个国家闹事的例子还少吗？以后土鸡国就是绿教进入欧洲的方便之门。
或许这才是土鸡真目的，红酒只是当了回棋子
what ever，即使最终红酒的单没签，至少红酒的性能被广而告之了，再说以后我朝也也可以卖给土鸡其他东西。反正土鸡进入欧盟到时欧盟有得好惨了。今年绿教在欧洲几个国家闹事的例子还少吗？以后土鸡国就是绿教进入欧洲的方便之门。
3 楼欧洲人这种计量你也信，先忽悠你，在找各种理由搪塞你！ 欧洲人不要干的太多哦！
土鸡要是真的把这次招标作废， 最后在北约那边估计得到的只是一张空头支票， 乌里扬诺夫斯克号的命运就摆在土鸡的面前........
土鸡其实很鸡肋 加入北约缺不让它加入欧盟 军事上利用你 经济上孤立你
听说欧盟现在用要找土耳其谈入欧的谈判了。不过私以为如果欧洲一时糊涂让土耳其进入欧洲，那等于是给绿教进 ...
土鸡入欧盟？那比核击欧洲有效多了。不卖红酒也行的。
土鸡入欧盟？那比核击欧洲有效多了。不卖红酒也行的。
土耳其还是有些大国风范啊，好歹以前也辉煌过。
如果红九能有效的为土鸡入欧盟起作用，那也很值了！甚至比卖它成功还值，因为土鸡入欧对欧盟造成的负面影响绝对大过红九的最终效能…
人家祖上也阔过，好歹跟俄国干过两次百年战争，当年也是跟咱们并称（东西亚）病夫的……
至于什么哭泣国？南美人还是更适合踢足球一些，军事不太适合他们。
至于什么哭泣国？南美人还是更适合踢足球一些，军事不太适合他们。
美国不是监控全世界吗？怎么好好不利用一下？
土鸡入欧盟？
有趣，东西方势力交汇的地方，是非当然多。
土的网友的言论现在并不买北约的账，有意思。
土的网友的言论现在并不买北约的账，有意思。
听说欧盟现在用要找土耳其谈入欧的谈判了。不过私以为如果欧洲一时糊涂让土耳其进入欧洲，那等于是给绿教进 ...
这难道不是TG搅局的目的吗？TG没想过这可能是坑吗，知道是坑还跳，可能是NC，也可能是看到坑底有黄金。到目前看，个人认为导弹生意成不成，兔子都已经捡了块金子——如果不是更多块的话。
这难道不是TG搅局的目的吗？TG没想过这可能是坑吗，知道是坑还跳，可能是NC，也可能是看到坑底有黄金。到目前看，个人认为导弹生意成不成，兔子都已经捡了块金子——如果不是更多块的话。
听说欧盟现在用要找土耳其谈入欧的谈判了。不过私以为如果欧洲一时糊涂让土耳其进入欧洲，那等于是给绿教进 ...
希腊，亚美尼亚那关就过不了，无非就是讨价还价，土鸡比阿三强多了
希腊，亚美尼亚那关就过不了，无非就是讨价还价，土鸡比阿三强多了
兔子曰：全聚德的烤鸭——你爱吃不吃
欧洲搅黄了这笔生意后，双爪一摊肩膀一耸：亲爱的，您不迁都的话，加入北约还勉强，加入欧盟怎么都说不过去啊，毕竟你是亚洲国家嘛！
美国威胁土耳其，敢买导弹就不给f35，如此峰回路转的剧情到底进展如何，请听下回分解
有点意思。
那土鳖的31又找到销路了？
feibob 发表于 2013-11-9 00:00
那土鳖的31又找到销路了？
乃具有真正商人的敏锐洞察力，是否用"嗅觉"一词更准确？
那土鳖的31又找到销路了？
乃具有真正商人的敏锐洞察力，是否用"嗅觉"一词更准确？
我有知识我自豪 发表于 2013-11-8 22:01
听说欧盟现在用要找土耳其谈入欧的谈判了。不过私以为如果欧洲一时糊涂让土耳其进入欧洲，那等于是给绿教进 ...
某教早就进去了，巴黎某教人口超过30%，布鲁塞尔超过一半
听说欧盟现在用要找土耳其谈入欧的谈判了。不过私以为如果欧洲一时糊涂让土耳其进入欧洲，那等于是给绿教进 ...
某教早就进去了，巴黎某教人口超过30%，布鲁塞尔超过一半
feibob 发表于 2013-11-9 00:00
那土鳖的31又找到销路了？
综合你的说法以及楼上的说法，窃以为，贼鹰又要疯一次。。。。
那土鳖的31又找到销路了？
综合你的说法以及楼上的说法，窃以为，贼鹰又要疯一次。。。。
土鸡本来当年就是为了对付苏联才被拉进北约的，现在苏联没了，人家早就觉得他多余了，还想进欧盟，梦里可能。
讨价还价而已。土鸡如果由此认识到跟谁走吃肉的路线问题，也是值得的。
欧盟会为了区区40亿的买卖，就让土鸡进去？
土鸡要是傻到跳了坑，才有意思！
土鸡要是傻到跳了坑，才有意思！
这事都快赶上连续剧了。
lonqixia 发表于 2013-11-8 22:26
或许这才是土鸡真目的，红酒只是当了回棋子
土耳其当然有自己的私心，这不用说。但到底谁是棋子很难说啊，红酒是中国人的棋子才对，小小的杠杆，撬动了地球。
或许这才是土鸡真目的，红酒只是当了回棋子
土耳其当然有自己的私心，这不用说。但到底谁是棋子很难说啊，红酒是中国人的棋子才对，小小的杠杆，撬动了地球。
这次的给姆，土鳖垫底也是收到一块金了，就是红酒以及中国高端产品的强力广告打出去了。如果土鸡毁约，也会有第二块小点的金，即补偿军贸，当然签了就是更大的第二块金。第三块金也初步看到，就是引起北约所谓盟国的内讧。第四块可能性不大，就是土鸡入欧当搅屎棍
进一步观察。
remono 发表于 2013-11-9 01:24
某教早就进去了，巴黎某教人口超过30%，布鲁塞尔超过一半
欧洲早晚要大乱
某教早就进去了，巴黎某教人口超过30%，布鲁塞尔超过一半
欧洲早晚要大乱
yong_yo0924 发表于 2013-11-8 22:53
土鸡入欧盟？那比核击欧洲有效多了。不卖红酒也行的。
土耳其要入欧盟，我认为TG应该送点啥当贺礼。
土鸡入欧盟？那比核击欧洲有效多了。不卖红酒也行的。
土耳其要入欧盟，我认为TG应该送点啥当贺礼。
remono 发表于 2013-11-9 01:24
某教早就进去了，巴黎某教人口超过30%，布鲁塞尔超过一半
那些才多少，土鸡一进去，那可就是8000多万绿绿全欧洲随便转啊，完全不是一个概念
某教早就进去了，巴黎某教人口超过30%，布鲁塞尔超过一半
那些才多少，土鸡一进去，那可就是8000多万绿绿全欧洲随便转啊，完全不是一个概念
remono 发表于 2013-11-9 01:24
某教早就进去了，巴黎某教人口超过30%，布鲁塞尔超过一半
土鸡国一旦进入欧盟那可就完全不一样了。欧洲的绿教等于找到了靠山和老大不说，通过土鸡国绿教会源源不断的加快进入欧洲。土鸡国的野心是很大的。
某教早就进去了，巴黎某教人口超过30%，布鲁塞尔超过一半
土鸡国一旦进入欧盟那可就完全不一样了。欧洲的绿教等于找到了靠山和老大不说，通过土鸡国绿教会源源不断的加快进入欧洲。土鸡国的野心是很大的。
不是大流氓就是小流氓，就看谁的手段高低了
叶昭德 发表于 2013-11-9 10:43
那些才多少，土鸡一进去，那可就是8000多万绿绿全欧洲随便转啊，完全不是一个概念
到时候土耳其就是欧洲绿教的靠山和老大了，这样一来等于实现了他们部分的野心。
那些才多少，土鸡一进去，那可就是8000多万绿绿全欧洲随便转啊，完全不是一个概念
到时候土耳其就是欧洲绿教的靠山和老大了，这样一来等于实现了他们部分的野心。
afer198215 发表于 2013-11-9 09:54
土耳其要入欧盟，我认为TG应该送点啥当贺礼。
送东吐坏蛋一筐？
土耳其要入欧盟，我认为TG应该送点啥当贺礼。
送东吐坏蛋一筐？
我有知识我自豪 发表于 2013-11-8 22:01
听说欧盟现在用要找土耳其谈入欧的谈判了。不过私以为如果欧洲一时糊涂让土耳其进入欧洲，那等于是给绿教进 ...
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听说欧盟现在用要找土耳其谈入欧的谈判了。不过私以为如果欧洲一时糊涂让土耳其进入欧洲，那等于是给绿教进 ...
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