【战忽局】美国网友对鸠山被称作日奸的反应

在CNN上面看到这篇文章，
原文地址：http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/18/wo ... ndex.html?hpt=wo_c2
翻译：香皂君


Former Japanese prime minister slammed as 'traitor' at home
日本前首相在国内被抨击为卖国贼


By Elizabeth Yuan, CNN
updated 11:47 AM EST, Fri January 18, 2013


(CNN) -- The Japanese government has criticized former Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama's acknowledgment of a "territorial dispute" with China over islands in the East China Sea, with the defense minister going so far as to use the word "traitor."
On his four-day private visit to China, Hatoyama told reporters in Beijing on Wednesday, "The Japanese government says there are no territorial disputes (between the two countries). But if you look at history, there is a dispute."
The remarks contradict his own government's position of indisputable territorial sovereignty over the islands that it calls Senkaku and that China calls Diaoyu.
"If his (Hatoyama's) remarks have been politically used by China, I'm unhappy," Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera said on television Thursday. "At that moment, the word of 'traitor' arose in my mind."
                                                               
                                               
                                                               
The day after his controversial remarks, Hatoyama, 66, and his wife visited the Nanjing Memorial, which is for the estimated 300,000 people killed in a 1937 massacre by Japanese forces.
He is the third former Japanese prime minister to visit the memorial, following predecessors Toshiki Kaifu and Tomiichi Murayama. The tribute for Chinese victims stands in contrast to visits by Japanese officials, including Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and predecessor Junichiro Koizumi, to the controversial Yasukuni Shrine in Tokyo, which is dedicated to Japan's war dead, including war criminals.
"In the eyes of the Chinese public, (Hatoyama's) visit is very valuable and undermines those in China who argue that all Japanese suffer from amnesia about wartime misdeeds," said Jeff Kingston, director of Asian studies at Temple University Japan.
                                                日本政府防卫省大臣使用极其严厉的措辞“卖国贼”来形容前首相鸠山由纪夫承认中日在东海上的岛屿争端。

                                                在他为期四天对TC的访问期间，本周三，鸠山由纪夫告诉北京的记者：“日本政府声称没有任何领土争端，但是如果根据历史来看，确实还是有的。”

                                                这一言论与日本政府所持的日本具有对尖阁列岛（中称钓鱼岛）无可辩驳的领土主权立场相反。

                                                ”如果他的（鸠山由纪夫）的言论被TCZF利用，我会不高兴。”日本防卫大臣小野寺五典周四在电视节目上发表这一感想。“现在，'卖国贼'这个词涌上我的心                                                头。“

                                                在发表他引起争议的言论之后一天，鸠山由纪夫，66岁，和他的妻子一起拜访了为了纪念1937年被日本军队屠杀的30万平民南京大屠杀纪念碑。

                                                他是继海部俊树和村山富市之后第三个访问纪念碑的首相。这一对TC死难者的纪念行为与包括首相安倍晋三和前任首相小泉纯一郎的日本官员参拜位于东京供                                                        奉二战战犯的靖国神社的行为形成了鲜明对比。

                                                在日本天普大学的亚洲研究指导员Jeff Kingston表示：“在TC舆论看来，（鸠山的）访问非常具有意义，而且证明不是所有日本人都忘记了他们在战争中犯下                                                   的罪恶。

                                                               
"I think this mission is an effort by him to introduce a different tenor into bilateral relations, to show it's not all about saber-rattling," he added.
Chinese media extensively covered Hatoyama's "apology for Japan's wartime crimes," with pictures of the Hatoyamas bowing and paying silent tribute at the site.
On social media, the visit triggered wide discussions. According to an online poll by Phoenix Online (iFeng), 80% of the more than 222,000 people who voted said Hatoyama's visit did not have much political significance, as compared with German Chancellor Willy Brandt's kneeling before the Warsaw Ghetto Memorial in 1970.
In another question, nearly two-thirds of 140,000 people surveyed said the visit by a former leader wouldn't set an example for a fellow Japanese politician.
CCTV commentator Yang Yu, however, praised Hatoyama and urged the Chinese to "remember the unusual kindness due to its scarcity," saying via Weibo, the microblogging site, "We have reprimanded Japan too many times for not acknowledging the massacre."
”我认为这是他（鸠山由纪夫）把目前针锋相对的中日关系推向良好双边关系的个人努力。“Jeff补充道。
中文媒体详尽地报道了鸠山由纪夫为日本战争罪行的道歉已经配发了鸠山由纪夫向大屠杀纪念碑默哀鞠躬的照片。
在社交网站，这次访问引发了TC网民广泛的讨论。根据凤凰网的投票，在222,000名受访者中，80%认为和1970年德国总理Willy Brandt在华沙犹太人纪念碑面前下跪相比，此次鸠山由纪夫的访问在政治上意义不大。
在另一项问卷中，140,000名受访者中，将近三分之二的人认为这次前首相的访问不会对当今日本政坛产生影响。
但是CC（河）AV（蟹）评论员杨禹却在微博中称赞了鸠山由纪夫此次TC之行，并且敦促TC人应该”谨记这不同寻常的善举“（微博原文：日本前首相鸠山由纪夫今在南京大屠杀纪念馆频频双手合十致歉。虽然他以个人身份前来，虽然这并未改变当前日本政府的态度，但此举在日本国内舆论场上以弱搏强。我们太多次谴责日本人不承认大屠杀历史，所以，任何一个日本政治家的这种举动，我们都要称赞，并记下这因为稀少、所以难得的善意。）
The official account from Xinhua, China's state-run news agency, warned that the nationalism of people who "scold any Japanese they see ... is in fact leading the country to distress."
An editorial by the government-run Global Times said that "China shouldn't change its policy to Japan just because Hatoyama, a politician currently out of office, gave a few words of friendship."
Grievances over World War II atrocities added fuel to violent anti-Japanese protests in China in September, particularly on the anniversary of the 1931 Japanese invasion of China.
And it is not a coincidence, Kingston said, that a Chinese plane entered airspace over the disputed islands -- prompting Japan to scramble fighter jets -- on December 13, the 75th anniversary of the massacre. It was the first time that the territorial dispute involved planes.
"The next day on the front page of the newspapers were the images of the (Nanjing) Memorial ceremony and the planes," Kingston said.
The dispute over the islands stems from 1895, when, at the end of the Sino-Japanese war, Japan annexed them. China has said that the islands have been its territory for the last five centuries.

                                                                来自TC官方媒体XHS的报道警告那些辱骂任何所见日本人的”爱国主义“人士们，他们的行为事实上只会使国家遭殃。

                                                                另外一份由ZF运营的社论报纸，Global Times认为：”TC不应该因为一个现在已经离开日本政坛的鸠山由纪夫题字‘友爱和平’，就改变对日政策。“
对日本在二战中暴行的不满为今年九月在TC发生的反日YX火上浇油，尤其是在七七事变那天。
在Kinston看来，十二月十三号，大屠杀的75周年纪念日时，TC飞机飞入争议岛屿领空，导致日方派遣战斗机跟踪，都是必然的。这是首次双方在领土争端时出动飞机。
”第二天报纸的头条就是南京大屠杀纪念和飞机。”Kinston说。
岛屿的争端起始于1895年中日甲午战争，战争末期，这些岛屿被日方吞并。TC声明这些岛屿已经被TC统治长达五个世纪。

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Elizabeth • 2 days ago
What's traitorous about apologizing for an atrocious crime committed by his country?
Even the German's apologized to the Jewish people for crimes they committed against them. Plus they pay, although there can never be enough money to begin to erase something like that, at least they make an effort!
Why have the Japanese never been held accountable for their rapes, tortures and genocides to the Chinese?
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伊丽莎白（斯）：
为神马为自己国家的残暴战争罪行道歉时卖国贼啊？就连元首国都为犹太人道歉了，尽管赔多少钱都不够，他们试图通过赔钱来洗地，至少他们努力了吧，为神马泥轰国就不为他们犯下的QJ，折磨，种族灭绝罪而负责呢？
Zephon  Elizabeth • a day ago−
Hatayoma should be a hero back home in Japan.

The fact that he is not tells much about the Japanese apologies for their past atrocities in WWII.

Which include:
- Forced prostitution of Women
- Wholesale slaughter of Civilians including Women and Children
- Cannibalism of prisoners
- Slaughter of captive prisoners (nearly 400,000 slaughtered in Nanking alone)
- Experimentation on prisoners (many while alive - like vivisection without any pain killers)

贼疯对伊丽莎白说：
鸠山由纪夫回家后应该受到英雄般的接待。
事实上他对日本在二战中犯下罪行的道歉还不够。
罪行包括：
-WA妇
-大规模屠杀平民包含妇女儿童。
-（太不和谐了）
-屠杀战俘（南京几乎有几乎40W）
-（也太不和谐了）
99Pcent  Zephon • a day ago
And the killing still goes on in Tibet under the Chinese occupiers right now. Pointing to something that happened a long time ago while you are still guilty of Genocide in Tibet is laughable.
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99%对贼疯说：
是啊，GCD统治下的XZ屠杀还在继续呢。试图用老早以前发生的事情来掩盖现在正在发生的事情真可笑。
Zephon  99Pcent • a day ago−
If anyone is guilty of what happened in Tibet it is the Dalai Lama and the CIA.

If the CIA did not convert the Dalai Lama and his clan to become CIA stooges in an effort to take Tibet away from China during the end of the Chinese Civil War during Operation ST Circus where the American backed KMT were losing to Mao forcing America to look for a back door to China - then the Tibet troubles they had would have been nil.

While Americans trained Dalai Lama clan members in US bases including Camp Hale in Colorado and many others then dropping them into China to commit terrorist acts then Mao would not have put down the uprising.

If the Dalai Lama was not such a spoiled brat about to lose his valued possessions including his slaves/serfs and much of the land in Chinese Tibet that he claimed as his own.... Mao would have removed private land ownership as it is today in China and the slavery.

Hence why many of the Tibetans joined Mao and forced the Dalai Lama clan to flee.

The only genocide in Tibet today is the fact that young Chinese Tibetans do not give a damn about Tibetan Buddhism or the Dalai Lama. Like most youth they want Iphones and parties and a modern education. Not monastical life.
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贼疯 对 99% 说：
如果应该有人对XZ和DLLM发生的事情感到愧疚那也应该是CIA。在代号为ST Circus行动中，如果CIA没有试图在国共战争的末期通过把DLLM和他的社团转化为CIA的小丑，达到把XZ分离出TC的目的。当时爸爸国所支持的GMD正在这场战争中中落于下风，爸爸国试图来打开一扇TC的后门 - 那么XZ的麻烦根本不会有。
当我们在美军基地，包括卡罗拉多的Hale 营，训练DLLM社团成员回TC搞恐怖袭击的话。Mao才不会平定这次叛乱。
如果DLLM不是这样一个被宠坏的讨厌鬼，到处哭喊着他将失去他所拥有XZ的农奴跟大部分XZ的土地，Mao 应该早就废除土地私有化且废除奴隶制了。
因此，许多XZ人会加入Mao来强迫DLLM的社团逃亡呢。
XZ现在唯一的种族屠杀就是新的XZ人根本不鸟藏传佛教或者DLLM。就像大部分年轻人想用爱疯和想开派对以及接受现代化的教育。不是清修似的生活。
Anti-AntiUSPropaganda  Zephon • a day ago−
joined Mao? I'm sure if that were true you wouldn't have had to send your zergling army into Tibet.
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反- 反美宣传 对 贼疯 说
加入Mao？我很肯定如果那是真相的话，你就不用把你虫族的小狗送到XZ去打仗了吧。
Zephon  Anti-AntiUSPropaganda • a day ago−
Sorry as I have noted to you before.

I am born and raised an American.

And as I have asked:

Where are you from?

Where were you educated?

Who do you work for?

I have answered those questions for you.

Time for you to reply with some truth.
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贼疯 对 反 - 反美宣传 说
不好意思，我以前就有注意到你。（好中意雷，o也屎啊 梁非凡！！）
我是爸爸国土生土长人。
就像我以前问过你的：
你哪来的？哪里受得教育？为谁工作？
我已经回答过你的问题，那么是时候你回答我了。
James Smith  Zephon • 14 hours ago−
The US was justified in trying to undermine Mao in any way possible. Mao's subsequent behavior proves the point. He was as bad as Hitler and Stalin, killing millions of Chinese through insane policies like the Great Leap Forward. The KMT was benign in comparison. Communism is simply evil.
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1Courageous  Anti-AntiUSPropaganda • a day ago
Thumbs up, if only for the Starcraft reference and nothing else lol
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1勇气 对 反-反美宣传 说
赞一个，只是为了星际争霸梗，太搞笑了。
bridgebuilder78  99Pcent • a day ago−
What inane reasoning you have! It's you are saying the attack on Pearl Harbor America was justified because we invaded invaded Vietnam.
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建桥的78 对 99% 说：
你这理由简直太空洞了。你就像在说袭击珍珠港是正义的，因为爸爸国真的侵略过越南。
disqus_i6xphAZu5u  bridgebuilder78 • a day ago
Japanーsino war, genocide in Tibet,attack on Pearl Harbor and Vietnam.Only Tibet case is unique in that it is occuring NOW.
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爱谁谁 对 建桥的78 说：
中日甲午战争，XZ屠杀，珍珠港事件，越南战争。XZ是特殊的，因为这是现在正在发生的。
bridgebuilder78  disqus_i6xphAZu5u • a day ago−
Sigh... Non-sequitur... Let's give you another example. Does our continued occupation of North America, which perpetuates the displacement of its native inhabitants (i.e. the Amerindians), justify the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor?
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建桥的78 对 爱谁谁 说：
哎...汝，妄语也(拉丁翻译成文言文）...再给你举个栗子。我们现在占着的从原住民手里抢来的北美（比如说美裔印第安人），就可以为日本袭击珍珠港脱罪吗？
disqus_i6xphAZu5u  bridgebuilder78 • a day ago−
Of course not.
Because there is no relationship between native inhabitants and Pearl Harbor.
My point is"what they are doing NOW "is most important.
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爱谁谁 对 建桥的78 说：
当然不是。
因为原住民和珍珠港完全没关系嘛。
我的论点是“他们现在在干嘛”是最重要的。
bridgebuilder78  disqus_i6xphAZu5u • a day ago−
"My point is"what they are doing NOW "is most important."

Whereas our ongoing occupation of North America is not happening right "NOW"?
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“我的论点是‘他们现在在干嘛’是最重要的."
那么我们现在并没有占据北美对吧。
disqus_i6xphAZu5u  bridgebuilder78 • 19 hours ago−
In America, native inhavitants are really in trouble now, and I think it is very tragic.But,at least massacure had ended. On the contrary, today, Tibet's many percecuted buddist protest CCP by commiting suicide,burning themselves. that's what I mean.
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爱谁谁 对 建桥的78 说：
在希望国，原住民确实遇到了麻烦，我认为这挺悲剧的。但是，至少，大屠杀结束了。但是反过来呢，今天，XZ的许多僧侣为了放抗GCD来ZF。我就这个意思。
MoroonBasher  disqus_i6xphAZu5u • 16 hours ago−
In other words, the monks genocide themselves.
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马龙怒殴者 对 爱谁谁 说：
换句话来说，这些和尚在自杀。
spacespeed  disqus_i6xphAZu5u • 12 hours ago−
And somehow there is a relation between the Japanese and Tibet? Inane reasoning is inane.
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空间速度 对 爱谁谁 说：
不管怎样。日本跟XZ确实有关系对吧？空洞的推理就是很空洞。
Zephon  Anti-AntiUSPropaganda • a day ago−
Today China alone is more capable of helping Americans prosper more than any other nation in the world.

Nearly 800 million Chinese will be entering the middle class in the next few years.

Ford sells more cars in China than they do in the USA.

I have no fear of Communism like our grandfathers here did.

It is a brave new world.

Americans and the Chinese are leading this revolution.

Though we are different we can value these differences and learn from one another. And together we can help countries like Japan, Philippines and Vietnam prosper and enter this new century together, hand in hand.

As Americans we need to get over our prejudices and predisposed notions that have been en-cultured into us for generations.
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贼疯 对 反-反美宣传 说
今天的TC相比世界上其他国家更有实力帮助希望国繁荣富饶。将近800M中国人将会在近几年内进入中产阶级。
福特在中国卖出的车比美国市场更多。
我对G（咳咳）不会像我们的爷爷有任何恐惧。
这是个勇敢的新世界。
中美正在引导着这一新变革。
尽管我们不同，我们可以珍视不同的地方且相互♂学习。于是我们可以手♂牵♂手帮助其他国家比如说日本，菲律宾和越南进入这个新的世纪。
作为希望国民，我们应该放下那些已经融入我们这一代文化中的偏见。

译者注：后来还有好多评论，有兴趣的朋友可以到原文地址去看。一曲忠诚的赞歌。在CNN上面看到这篇文章，
原文地址：http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/18/wo ... ndex.html?hpt=wo_c2
翻译：香皂君


Former Japanese prime minister slammed as 'traitor' at home
日本前首相在国内被抨击为卖国贼


By Elizabeth Yuan, CNN
updated 11:47 AM EST, Fri January 18, 2013


(CNN) -- The Japanese government has criticized former Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama's acknowledgment of a "territorial dispute" with China over islands in the East China Sea, with the defense minister going so far as to use the word "traitor."
On his four-day private visit to China, Hatoyama told reporters in Beijing on Wednesday, "The Japanese government says there are no territorial disputes (between the two countries). But if you look at history, there is a dispute."
The remarks contradict his own government's position of indisputable territorial sovereignty over the islands that it calls Senkaku and that China calls Diaoyu.
"If his (Hatoyama's) remarks have been politically used by China, I'm unhappy," Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera said on television Thursday. "At that moment, the word of 'traitor' arose in my mind."
                                                               
                                               
                                                               
The day after his controversial remarks, Hatoyama, 66, and his wife visited the Nanjing Memorial, which is for the estimated 300,000 people killed in a 1937 massacre by Japanese forces.
He is the third former Japanese prime minister to visit the memorial, following predecessors Toshiki Kaifu and Tomiichi Murayama. The tribute for Chinese victims stands in contrast to visits by Japanese officials, including Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and predecessor Junichiro Koizumi, to the controversial Yasukuni Shrine in Tokyo, which is dedicated to Japan's war dead, including war criminals.
"In the eyes of the Chinese public, (Hatoyama's) visit is very valuable and undermines those in China who argue that all Japanese suffer from amnesia about wartime misdeeds," said Jeff Kingston, director of Asian studies at Temple University Japan.
                                                日本政府防卫省大臣使用极其严厉的措辞“卖国贼”来形容前首相鸠山由纪夫承认中日在东海上的岛屿争端。

                                                在他为期四天对TC的访问期间，本周三，鸠山由纪夫告诉北京的记者：“日本政府声称没有任何领土争端，但是如果根据历史来看，确实还是有的。”

                                                这一言论与日本政府所持的日本具有对尖阁列岛（中称钓鱼岛）无可辩驳的领土主权立场相反。

                                                ”如果他的（鸠山由纪夫）的言论被TCZF利用，我会不高兴。”日本防卫大臣小野寺五典周四在电视节目上发表这一感想。“现在，'卖国贼'这个词涌上我的心                                                头。“

                                                在发表他引起争议的言论之后一天，鸠山由纪夫，66岁，和他的妻子一起拜访了为了纪念1937年被日本军队屠杀的30万平民南京大屠杀纪念碑。

                                                他是继海部俊树和村山富市之后第三个访问纪念碑的首相。这一对TC死难者的纪念行为与包括首相安倍晋三和前任首相小泉纯一郎的日本官员参拜位于东京供                                                        奉二战战犯的靖国神社的行为形成了鲜明对比。

                                                在日本天普大学的亚洲研究指导员Jeff Kingston表示：“在TC舆论看来，（鸠山的）访问非常具有意义，而且证明不是所有日本人都忘记了他们在战争中犯下                                                   的罪恶。

                                                               
"I think this mission is an effort by him to introduce a different tenor into bilateral relations, to show it's not all about saber-rattling," he added.
Chinese media extensively covered Hatoyama's "apology for Japan's wartime crimes," with pictures of the Hatoyamas bowing and paying silent tribute at the site.
On social media, the visit triggered wide discussions. According to an online poll by Phoenix Online (iFeng), 80% of the more than 222,000 people who voted said Hatoyama's visit did not have much political significance, as compared with German Chancellor Willy Brandt's kneeling before the Warsaw Ghetto Memorial in 1970.
In another question, nearly two-thirds of 140,000 people surveyed said the visit by a former leader wouldn't set an example for a fellow Japanese politician.
CCTV commentator Yang Yu, however, praised Hatoyama and urged the Chinese to "remember the unusual kindness due to its scarcity," saying via Weibo, the microblogging site, "We have reprimanded Japan too many times for not acknowledging the massacre."
”我认为这是他（鸠山由纪夫）把目前针锋相对的中日关系推向良好双边关系的个人努力。“Jeff补充道。
中文媒体详尽地报道了鸠山由纪夫为日本战争罪行的道歉已经配发了鸠山由纪夫向大屠杀纪念碑默哀鞠躬的照片。
在社交网站，这次访问引发了TC网民广泛的讨论。根据凤凰网的投票，在222,000名受访者中，80%认为和1970年德国总理Willy Brandt在华沙犹太人纪念碑面前下跪相比，此次鸠山由纪夫的访问在政治上意义不大。
在另一项问卷中，140,000名受访者中，将近三分之二的人认为这次前首相的访问不会对当今日本政坛产生影响。
但是CC（河）AV（蟹）评论员杨禹却在微博中称赞了鸠山由纪夫此次TC之行，并且敦促TC人应该”谨记这不同寻常的善举“（微博原文：日本前首相鸠山由纪夫今在南京大屠杀纪念馆频频双手合十致歉。虽然他以个人身份前来，虽然这并未改变当前日本政府的态度，但此举在日本国内舆论场上以弱搏强。我们太多次谴责日本人不承认大屠杀历史，所以，任何一个日本政治家的这种举动，我们都要称赞，并记下这因为稀少、所以难得的善意。）
The official account from Xinhua, China's state-run news agency, warned that the nationalism of people who "scold any Japanese they see ... is in fact leading the country to distress."
An editorial by the government-run Global Times said that "China shouldn't change its policy to Japan just because Hatoyama, a politician currently out of office, gave a few words of friendship."
Grievances over World War II atrocities added fuel to violent anti-Japanese protests in China in September, particularly on the anniversary of the 1931 Japanese invasion of China.
And it is not a coincidence, Kingston said, that a Chinese plane entered airspace over the disputed islands -- prompting Japan to scramble fighter jets -- on December 13, the 75th anniversary of the massacre. It was the first time that the territorial dispute involved planes.
"The next day on the front page of the newspapers were the images of the (Nanjing) Memorial ceremony and the planes," Kingston said.
The dispute over the islands stems from 1895, when, at the end of the Sino-Japanese war, Japan annexed them. China has said that the islands have been its territory for the last five centuries.

                                                                来自TC官方媒体XHS的报道警告那些辱骂任何所见日本人的”爱国主义“人士们，他们的行为事实上只会使国家遭殃。

                                                                另外一份由ZF运营的社论报纸，Global Times认为：”TC不应该因为一个现在已经离开日本政坛的鸠山由纪夫题字‘友爱和平’，就改变对日政策。“
对日本在二战中暴行的不满为今年九月在TC发生的反日YX火上浇油，尤其是在七七事变那天。
在Kinston看来，十二月十三号，大屠杀的75周年纪念日时，TC飞机飞入争议岛屿领空，导致日方派遣战斗机跟踪，都是必然的。这是首次双方在领土争端时出动飞机。
”第二天报纸的头条就是南京大屠杀纪念和飞机。”Kinston说。
岛屿的争端起始于1895年中日甲午战争，战争末期，这些岛屿被日方吞并。TC声明这些岛屿已经被TC统治长达五个世纪。

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Elizabeth • 2 days ago
What's traitorous about apologizing for an atrocious crime committed by his country?
Even the German's apologized to the Jewish people for crimes they committed against them. Plus they pay, although there can never be enough money to begin to erase something like that, at least they make an effort!
Why have the Japanese never been held accountable for their rapes, tortures and genocides to the Chinese?
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伊丽莎白（斯）：
为神马为自己国家的残暴战争罪行道歉时卖国贼啊？就连元首国都为犹太人道歉了，尽管赔多少钱都不够，他们试图通过赔钱来洗地，至少他们努力了吧，为神马泥轰国就不为他们犯下的QJ，折磨，种族灭绝罪而负责呢？
Zephon  Elizabeth • a day ago−
Hatayoma should be a hero back home in Japan.

The fact that he is not tells much about the Japanese apologies for their past atrocities in WWII.

Which include:
- Forced prostitution of Women
- Wholesale slaughter of Civilians including Women and Children
- Cannibalism of prisoners
- Slaughter of captive prisoners (nearly 400,000 slaughtered in Nanking alone)
- Experimentation on prisoners (many while alive - like vivisection without any pain killers)

贼疯对伊丽莎白说：
鸠山由纪夫回家后应该受到英雄般的接待。
事实上他对日本在二战中犯下罪行的道歉还不够。
罪行包括：
-WA妇
-大规模屠杀平民包含妇女儿童。
-（太不和谐了）
-屠杀战俘（南京几乎有几乎40W）
-（也太不和谐了）
99Pcent  Zephon • a day ago
And the killing still goes on in Tibet under the Chinese occupiers right now. Pointing to something that happened a long time ago while you are still guilty of Genocide in Tibet is laughable.
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99%对贼疯说：
是啊，GCD统治下的XZ屠杀还在继续呢。试图用老早以前发生的事情来掩盖现在正在发生的事情真可笑。
Zephon  99Pcent • a day ago−
If anyone is guilty of what happened in Tibet it is the Dalai Lama and the CIA.

If the CIA did not convert the Dalai Lama and his clan to become CIA stooges in an effort to take Tibet away from China during the end of the Chinese Civil War during Operation ST Circus where the American backed KMT were losing to Mao forcing America to look for a back door to China - then the Tibet troubles they had would have been nil.

While Americans trained Dalai Lama clan members in US bases including Camp Hale in Colorado and many others then dropping them into China to commit terrorist acts then Mao would not have put down the uprising.

If the Dalai Lama was not such a spoiled brat about to lose his valued possessions including his slaves/serfs and much of the land in Chinese Tibet that he claimed as his own.... Mao would have removed private land ownership as it is today in China and the slavery.

Hence why many of the Tibetans joined Mao and forced the Dalai Lama clan to flee.

The only genocide in Tibet today is the fact that young Chinese Tibetans do not give a damn about Tibetan Buddhism or the Dalai Lama. Like most youth they want Iphones and parties and a modern education. Not monastical life.
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贼疯 对 99% 说：
如果应该有人对XZ和DLLM发生的事情感到愧疚那也应该是CIA。在代号为ST Circus行动中，如果CIA没有试图在国共战争的末期通过把DLLM和他的社团转化为CIA的小丑，达到把XZ分离出TC的目的。当时爸爸国所支持的GMD正在这场战争中中落于下风，爸爸国试图来打开一扇TC的后门 - 那么XZ的麻烦根本不会有。
当我们在美军基地，包括卡罗拉多的Hale 营，训练DLLM社团成员回TC搞恐怖袭击的话。Mao才不会平定这次叛乱。
如果DLLM不是这样一个被宠坏的讨厌鬼，到处哭喊着他将失去他所拥有XZ的农奴跟大部分XZ的土地，Mao 应该早就废除土地私有化且废除奴隶制了。
因此，许多XZ人会加入Mao来强迫DLLM的社团逃亡呢。
XZ现在唯一的种族屠杀就是新的XZ人根本不鸟藏传佛教或者DLLM。就像大部分年轻人想用爱疯和想开派对以及接受现代化的教育。不是清修似的生活。
Anti-AntiUSPropaganda  Zephon • a day ago−
joined Mao? I'm sure if that were true you wouldn't have had to send your zergling army into Tibet.
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反- 反美宣传 对 贼疯 说
加入Mao？我很肯定如果那是真相的话，你就不用把你虫族的小狗送到XZ去打仗了吧。
Zephon  Anti-AntiUSPropaganda • a day ago−
Sorry as I have noted to you before.

I am born and raised an American.

And as I have asked:

Where are you from?

Where were you educated?

Who do you work for?

I have answered those questions for you.

Time for you to reply with some truth.
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贼疯 对 反 - 反美宣传 说
不好意思，我以前就有注意到你。（好中意雷，o也屎啊 梁非凡！！）
我是爸爸国土生土长人。
就像我以前问过你的：
你哪来的？哪里受得教育？为谁工作？
我已经回答过你的问题，那么是时候你回答我了。
James Smith  Zephon • 14 hours ago−
The US was justified in trying to undermine Mao in any way possible. Mao's subsequent behavior proves the point. He was as bad as Hitler and Stalin, killing millions of Chinese through insane policies like the Great Leap Forward. The KMT was benign in comparison. Communism is simply evil.
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1Courageous  Anti-AntiUSPropaganda • a day ago
Thumbs up, if only for the Starcraft reference and nothing else lol
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1勇气 对 反-反美宣传 说
赞一个，只是为了星际争霸梗，太搞笑了。
bridgebuilder78  99Pcent • a day ago−
What inane reasoning you have! It's you are saying the attack on Pearl Harbor America was justified because we invaded invaded Vietnam.
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建桥的78 对 99% 说：
你这理由简直太空洞了。你就像在说袭击珍珠港是正义的，因为爸爸国真的侵略过越南。
disqus_i6xphAZu5u  bridgebuilder78 • a day ago
Japanーsino war, genocide in Tibet,attack on Pearl Harbor and Vietnam.Only Tibet case is unique in that it is occuring NOW.
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爱谁谁 对 建桥的78 说：
中日甲午战争，XZ屠杀，珍珠港事件，越南战争。XZ是特殊的，因为这是现在正在发生的。
bridgebuilder78  disqus_i6xphAZu5u • a day ago−
Sigh... Non-sequitur... Let's give you another example. Does our continued occupation of North America, which perpetuates the displacement of its native inhabitants (i.e. the Amerindians), justify the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor?
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建桥的78 对 爱谁谁 说：
哎...汝，妄语也(拉丁翻译成文言文）...再给你举个栗子。我们现在占着的从原住民手里抢来的北美（比如说美裔印第安人），就可以为日本袭击珍珠港脱罪吗？
disqus_i6xphAZu5u  bridgebuilder78 • a day ago−
Of course not.
Because there is no relationship between native inhabitants and Pearl Harbor.
My point is"what they are doing NOW "is most important.
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爱谁谁 对 建桥的78 说：
当然不是。
因为原住民和珍珠港完全没关系嘛。
我的论点是“他们现在在干嘛”是最重要的。
bridgebuilder78  disqus_i6xphAZu5u • a day ago−
"My point is"what they are doing NOW "is most important."

Whereas our ongoing occupation of North America is not happening right "NOW"?
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“我的论点是‘他们现在在干嘛’是最重要的."
那么我们现在并没有占据北美对吧。
disqus_i6xphAZu5u  bridgebuilder78 • 19 hours ago−
In America, native inhavitants are really in trouble now, and I think it is very tragic.But,at least massacure had ended. On the contrary, today, Tibet's many percecuted buddist protest CCP by commiting suicide,burning themselves. that's what I mean.
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爱谁谁 对 建桥的78 说：
在希望国，原住民确实遇到了麻烦，我认为这挺悲剧的。但是，至少，大屠杀结束了。但是反过来呢，今天，XZ的许多僧侣为了放抗GCD来ZF。我就这个意思。
MoroonBasher  disqus_i6xphAZu5u • 16 hours ago−
In other words, the monks genocide themselves.
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马龙怒殴者 对 爱谁谁 说：
换句话来说，这些和尚在自杀。
spacespeed  disqus_i6xphAZu5u • 12 hours ago−
And somehow there is a relation between the Japanese and Tibet? Inane reasoning is inane.
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空间速度 对 爱谁谁 说：
不管怎样。日本跟XZ确实有关系对吧？空洞的推理就是很空洞。
Zephon  Anti-AntiUSPropaganda • a day ago−
Today China alone is more capable of helping Americans prosper more than any other nation in the world.

Nearly 800 million Chinese will be entering the middle class in the next few years.

Ford sells more cars in China than they do in the USA.

I have no fear of Communism like our grandfathers here did.

It is a brave new world.

Americans and the Chinese are leading this revolution.

Though we are different we can value these differences and learn from one another. And together we can help countries like Japan, Philippines and Vietnam prosper and enter this new century together, hand in hand.

As Americans we need to get over our prejudices and predisposed notions that have been en-cultured into us for generations.
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贼疯 对 反-反美宣传 说
今天的TC相比世界上其他国家更有实力帮助希望国繁荣富饶。将近800M中国人将会在近几年内进入中产阶级。
福特在中国卖出的车比美国市场更多。
我对G（咳咳）不会像我们的爷爷有任何恐惧。
这是个勇敢的新世界。
中美正在引导着这一新变革。
尽管我们不同，我们可以珍视不同的地方且相互♂学习。于是我们可以手♂牵♂手帮助其他国家比如说日本，菲律宾和越南进入这个新的世纪。
作为希望国民，我们应该放下那些已经融入我们这一代文化中的偏见。

译者注：后来还有好多评论，有兴趣的朋友可以到原文地址去看。一曲忠诚的赞歌。