美刊称歼-15老总累死让西方反省 错估中国军力

走自己的路，让白皮猪无路可走

第二张图真是淡定啊

MD也算是在朝鲜半岛吃过兔子亏的人，怎么就不长点记性呢~~~

一堆酸葡萄阿

白猪迟早会为他们井底之蛙的见识付出代价

世界大同

还有一点白皮猪不懂，一个罗阳倒下去，马上会有更多的罗阳站起来。

他们称，中国的新航母跟美国海军舰队较量挺不过一分钟。

比较客观的报道，不过中国一定会中兴。其实民族的意见往往决定不了国家政策（无论在哪国），中国公众了解美国也只是因为危机感或仰慕而已。（后一句是看见太多通过别国民族态度讥讽国家的言论有感）

呵呵，再过十年让白皮猪们看看，到时白皮猪还有何能耐。

口胡，中国人看自己是兔子，只不过肚皮不是白色的罢了

第二张图看出罗总已经及其疲惫

对国家周遭战略环境恶化与威胁增加的高估，比起低估来，绝对是好事。有90利而有10害。

突然暴这么多，现在的航空基础能不能吃的下？

熊猫？熊猫也是熊，和hello kitty没有亲戚关系！

环球翻译的断章取义， 删掉了好多 ，真会为自己脸上贴金


http://www.defensenews.com/apps/ ... e?AID=2012312010002
建议大家看下原文章 这个就一中国威胁论的文章 环球怎么翻的这么怪


文章出处是 防务新闻 台北

篇幅很长，只有极小一段 写到罗总和J15. （写这段的还是个在中国长大的）
Li, who grew up in Beijing, said the fact the chief engineer responsible “for the J-15 literally worked himself to death should say something to Western commentators as to the dedication of these people.” For China to achieve so much in the “middle of every arms embargo under the sun and with such a little research and development base to start with is impressive.

看看原文的 最后总结就明白MD 和 台巴子的嘴脸了
biggest fear is that a regional arms race will develop as a result of this current process of action and reaction
就是明说中国威胁论 和 地区军备竞赛

附原文
TAIPEI — Are Western experts on China’s military modernization efforts misreading and downplaying the level of ambition, sophistication and just plain guts the Chinese are showing in the country’s quest to be a top arms player?

Time and time again, Western analysts have described China’s fighter development as years behind the U.S. They say China’s new aircraft carrier couldn’t last a minute against a U.S. naval task force. And they say landing a fighter on the aircraft carrier is years away.

Yet over the past two years, two new stealth fighter aircraft have emerged from behind the veil. When photographs appeared, naysayers called them Photoshopped. Then when videos appeared showing them flying, analysts dismissed them as prototypes that will never go into production.

China’s military aviation industry has its weaknesses, especially in engine development, but its learning curve is impressive. Events in November provided numerous examples of how China appears years ahead of schedule, instead of years behind, as so many Western analysts claim.

First, China showed off many of its best military aircraft at the ninth Zhuhai Airshow Nov. 13-18. The only Western analyst willing to push aside his laptop and jump into the fray was Andrew Erickson, a professor at the China Maritime Studies Institute, U.S. Naval War College.

What Erickson saw, and his colleagues did not, was a wide range of new weapons: the air-to-ground LD-10A anti-radiation missile; the SD-10A surface-to-air missile; a model of the new Harrier III UAV; the Blue Fox target drone, based on the L-15 fighter jet trainer; the Minshan Engine, set to replace the Ukrainian engine in the L-15; and an upgrade to the Guizhou FTC-2000 (JL-9) fighter, now with more hard points.

The second thing that upset the apple cart for Western analysts was news that China might buy 24 Russian-built Su-35 fighters. Too many analysts predicted Russia had been badly burned by the Su-27/J-11B scandal and would never try another deal with China.

Yet rumors of the deal emerging at the Zhuhai Airshow appear correct. Russia has caved to demands by China to begin with an initial buy of 24 Su-35s, rather than the 48 originally demanded by Moscow.

The problem is the Russians are still terrified the Chinese will simply reverse-engineer the fighter and produce clones, as they did with the Russian Su-27 when they began manufacturing the Shenyang J-11B.

There are also suspicions that the Chinese do not actually want the Su-35, but instead will use the engines for the Chengdu J-20 stealth fighter. The Saturn AL-117S engine is outfitted in both the Su-35 fighter and the T-50 stealth fighter prototype. If the Chinese procure one spare for every four engines installed on the 24 Su-35s, alarm bells should begin going off in Moscow, said a U.S. defense industry analyst.

The third thing that caught many Washington analysts off guard was the release of videos showing a Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark fighter landing and taking off from the new Liaoning aircraft carrier. Previous photographs appearing on the Internet showed black skid marks on the carrier’s flight deck, hinting that the Chinese were preparing the carrier for landings. Naysayers in Washington said the marks were most likely touch-and-go marks by fighters and that landings or take-offs were not possible this early.

They were wrong again.

“If you are talking about ‘is China achieving carrier capabilities like a U.S.-like naval power,’ then the answer is, ‘no, it’s not,’” said Gary Li, an analyst at U.K.-based Exclusive Analysis. “If U.S. analysts are looking at it with their own [past] knowledge of how naval powers develop and the U.S. Navy experience, then no.” But the “Chinese are not playing that game,” Li said.

“The recent air operations by the Chinese aircraft carrier demonstrate that the PLAN [People’s Liberation Army Navy] is developing an operational aircraft carrier capability much faster than many Western observers anticipated,” said Sam Bateman, senior research fellow in the Maritime Security Program at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore.

Bateman is not surprised.

“I have always believed that given Beijing’s perceptions of a more threatening strategic environment and China’s technological achievements in other areas, the aircraft carrier capability could be developed quite quickly if it were given high priority,” he said.

Li, who grew up in Beijing, said the fact the chief engineer responsible “for the J-15 literally worked himself to death should say something to Western commentators as to the dedication of these people.” For China to achieve so much in the “middle of every arms embargo under the sun and with such a little research and development base to start with is impressive.”

York Chen, a former member of Taiwan’s National Security Council in the Chen Shui-bian administration, said Taiwan’s intelligence assessments in 2006 indicated that China’s aircraft carrier program, along with its efforts to develop the J-15, were impressive. For that reason, “we decided to speed up our supersonic anti-carrier missile program in 2006.” The result was the unveiling of the Hsiung Feng 3 anti-ship cruise missile in 2011.

So what is it about the tendency of Washington analysts to get China’s military modernization effort wrong so many times?

“China is one of these things that can look like different things from different angles. The West loves calling it a dragon while China sees itself as a panda,” Li said. “I would say the key issue is that the West continues to view China and Chinese development from a Western-centric/Westphalian international relations tradition that places China into the ‘realist/revisionist’ camp,” he said. “However, as far as the Chinese are concerned, they are just getting on with national regeneration, with little outside help.”

However, there also is a concern that Beijing is misunderstanding Washington.

“The military dimensions of the U.S. pivot toward Asia, for example, has the undesirable consequence of fueling Chinese perceptions of a deteriorating and more threatening regional strategic environment,” Bateman said.

Bateman’s biggest fear is that a regional arms race will develop as a result of this current process of action and reaction — the classic security dilemma, and an urgent and more focused strategic dialogue is required to prevent this from occurring.


环球翻译的断章取义， 删掉了好多 ，真会为自己脸上贴金


http://www.defensenews.com/apps/ ... e?AID=2012312010002
建议大家看下原文章 这个就一中国威胁论的文章 环球怎么翻的这么怪


文章出处是 防务新闻 台北

篇幅很长，只有极小一段 写到罗总和J15. （写这段的还是个在中国长大的）
Li, who grew up in Beijing, said the fact the chief engineer responsible “for the J-15 literally worked himself to death should say something to Western commentators as to the dedication of these people.” For China to achieve so much in the “middle of every arms embargo under the sun and with such a little research and development base to start with is impressive.

看看原文的 最后总结就明白MD 和 台巴子的嘴脸了
biggest fear is that a regional arms race will develop as a result of this current process of action and reaction
就是明说中国威胁论 和 地区军备竞赛

附原文
TAIPEI — Are Western experts on China’s military modernization efforts misreading and downplaying the level of ambition, sophistication and just plain guts the Chinese are showing in the country’s quest to be a top arms player?

Time and time again, Western analysts have described China’s fighter development as years behind the U.S. They say China’s new aircraft carrier couldn’t last a minute against a U.S. naval task force. And they say landing a fighter on the aircraft carrier is years away.

Yet over the past two years, two new stealth fighter aircraft have emerged from behind the veil. When photographs appeared, naysayers called them Photoshopped. Then when videos appeared showing them flying, analysts dismissed them as prototypes that will never go into production.

China’s military aviation industry has its weaknesses, especially in engine development, but its learning curve is impressive. Events in November provided numerous examples of how China appears years ahead of schedule, instead of years behind, as so many Western analysts claim.

First, China showed off many of its best military aircraft at the ninth Zhuhai Airshow Nov. 13-18. The only Western analyst willing to push aside his laptop and jump into the fray was Andrew Erickson, a professor at the China Maritime Studies Institute, U.S. Naval War College.

What Erickson saw, and his colleagues did not, was a wide range of new weapons: the air-to-ground LD-10A anti-radiation missile; the SD-10A surface-to-air missile; a model of the new Harrier III UAV; the Blue Fox target drone, based on the L-15 fighter jet trainer; the Minshan Engine, set to replace the Ukrainian engine in the L-15; and an upgrade to the Guizhou FTC-2000 (JL-9) fighter, now with more hard points.

The second thing that upset the apple cart for Western analysts was news that China might buy 24 Russian-built Su-35 fighters. Too many analysts predicted Russia had been badly burned by the Su-27/J-11B scandal and would never try another deal with China.

Yet rumors of the deal emerging at the Zhuhai Airshow appear correct. Russia has caved to demands by China to begin with an initial buy of 24 Su-35s, rather than the 48 originally demanded by Moscow.

The problem is the Russians are still terrified the Chinese will simply reverse-engineer the fighter and produce clones, as they did with the Russian Su-27 when they began manufacturing the Shenyang J-11B.

There are also suspicions that the Chinese do not actually want the Su-35, but instead will use the engines for the Chengdu J-20 stealth fighter. The Saturn AL-117S engine is outfitted in both the Su-35 fighter and the T-50 stealth fighter prototype. If the Chinese procure one spare for every four engines installed on the 24 Su-35s, alarm bells should begin going off in Moscow, said a U.S. defense industry analyst.

The third thing that caught many Washington analysts off guard was the release of videos showing a Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark fighter landing and taking off from the new Liaoning aircraft carrier. Previous photographs appearing on the Internet showed black skid marks on the carrier’s flight deck, hinting that the Chinese were preparing the carrier for landings. Naysayers in Washington said the marks were most likely touch-and-go marks by fighters and that landings or take-offs were not possible this early.

They were wrong again.

“If you are talking about ‘is China achieving carrier capabilities like a U.S.-like naval power,’ then the answer is, ‘no, it’s not,’” said Gary Li, an analyst at U.K.-based Exclusive Analysis. “If U.S. analysts are looking at it with their own [past] knowledge of how naval powers develop and the U.S. Navy experience, then no.” But the “Chinese are not playing that game,” Li said.

“The recent air operations by the Chinese aircraft carrier demonstrate that the PLAN [People’s Liberation Army Navy] is developing an operational aircraft carrier capability much faster than many Western observers anticipated,” said Sam Bateman, senior research fellow in the Maritime Security Program at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore.

Bateman is not surprised.

“I have always believed that given Beijing’s perceptions of a more threatening strategic environment and China’s technological achievements in other areas, the aircraft carrier capability could be developed quite quickly if it were given high priority,” he said.

Li, who grew up in Beijing, said the fact the chief engineer responsible “for the J-15 literally worked himself to death should say something to Western commentators as to the dedication of these people.” For China to achieve so much in the “middle of every arms embargo under the sun and with such a little research and development base to start with is impressive.”

York Chen, a former member of Taiwan’s National Security Council in the Chen Shui-bian administration, said Taiwan’s intelligence assessments in 2006 indicated that China’s aircraft carrier program, along with its efforts to develop the J-15, were impressive. For that reason, “we decided to speed up our supersonic anti-carrier missile program in 2006.” The result was the unveiling of the Hsiung Feng 3 anti-ship cruise missile in 2011.

So what is it about the tendency of Washington analysts to get China’s military modernization effort wrong so many times?

“China is one of these things that can look like different things from different angles. The West loves calling it a dragon while China sees itself as a panda,” Li said. “I would say the key issue is that the West continues to view China and Chinese development from a Western-centric/Westphalian international relations tradition that places China into the ‘realist/revisionist’ camp,” he said. “However, as far as the Chinese are concerned, they are just getting on with national regeneration, with little outside help.”

However, there also is a concern that Beijing is misunderstanding Washington.

“The military dimensions of the U.S. pivot toward Asia, for example, has the undesirable consequence of fueling Chinese perceptions of a deteriorating and more threatening regional strategic environment,” Bateman said.

Bateman’s biggest fear is that a regional arms race will develop as a result of this current process of action and reaction — the classic security dilemma, and an urgent and more focused strategic dialogue is required to prevent this from occurring.

别看不起熊猫，熊猫也是正经的食肉动物啊~

xpatrickc 发表于 2012-12-3 16:13
熊猫？熊猫也是熊，和hello kitty没有亲戚关系！
呃，推荐你为著名的CD二楼如何。

三月烽火 发表于 2012-12-3 15:38
白猪迟早会为他们井底之蛙的见识付出代价
不要说粗口

人家白猪?

应该是~~~~~~~~~~~~白皮猪{:3_93:}

口胡，中国人看自己是兔子，只不过肚皮不是白色的罢了
那是当年当土鳖时沾上的灰，洗不掉了！

63年美素的判断： 中国的原子弹还需要10年， 嘿嘿， 64年就响了

不要低估了中国人鞠躬尽瘁的精神。。。

环球翻译的断章取义， 删掉了好多



您老就受点累帮忙搬运过来嘛！！我们这些爪机党不好弄啊！

跟天朝曾经和将来的辉煌盛世相比，美国算个几8，让白皮见见世面，让他们明白祖宗们用优美文字抒发情感时，他们还像只猴子一样爬在树上找烂苹果吃呢。

之所以有这么强大研发能力，一方是优异的协调能力，第二方面是党的领导（这个参考解放军的政工和战斗力的关系）

游弋沙滩 发表于 2012-12-3 15:35
MD也算是在朝鲜半岛吃过兔子亏的人，怎么就不长点记性呢~~~
吃过亏的都卸任了。。。。所以。。。。

爪机无力！翻译不了外文。不过台北真心没办法，撒播中国威胁！

熊猫不是金鱼，身上黑白是警示色，希望西方早点明白东方的行事作风

第二张可能并不是在看降落而是在看已经降落的飞机的整备和检查情况了。
请黑沈飞的要记住，黑是给沈飞找错期待他纠正而不是黑死它

为什么被低估？因为我们有张局，平可夫等好同志来自: Android客户端

走猪的路，让猪只能上炖锅

其实道理很简单，就是面对重大问题兔子的全国一盘棋的思想和组织形式，比如两弹一星就是，航妈项目也是，偶们近期还会看到很多出乎意料的惊喜，这就是兔子的做事作风，以至于有人累死。
只要兔子想干的事，集中兔子全国的力量去搞，肯定比老美的效率高得多，比其他国家也是一样的。

scs风 发表于 2012-12-3 16:10
突然暴这么多，现在的航空基础能不能吃的下？
恰恰说反了，基础不打牢，这些东西都出不来

第二章张好图

谁说我们是熊猫，这是谁造的谣，我们只是人畜无害的小兔子

当战斗兔用高科技板砖拍人的时候，不要忘记研发和为此做出贡献的兔子们~
向这些默默兔子们致敬。。

曾经鄙视熊猫的动物们现今都躺在了进化史的垃圾桶里。

第二张罗总的图首见啊

罗总真的累了 看到第二张这双疲惫的眼。什么叫鞠躬尽瘁，再次敬礼！