棒子真有兴趣买铁穹。转一篇去年以色列最大新网Ynet的新 ...

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翻译大意:

以色列正在成为韩国计划中的主要防务供应国。

韩国负责武器采购的主要官员访问参观了以色列国防工业,表达了强烈的采购意向。在参观RAFAEL拉斐尔高级防务系统公司的时候,韩国官员表示出了对铁穹系统的兴趣。

思密达表示 “棒子和包皮面临的防务威胁非常相似。。。。”

以色列已经参与了韩国T50教练机计划。

在2001年过去的2年中,韩国已经从以色列军购4亿美元。韩国基本国防预算约为300亿,其中采购预算100亿。

韩国已经购买GREEN PINE相控阵雷达和哈比无人机。


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4083719,00.html

South Korea is planning to turn Israel into its main arms supplier, following recent border incidents with its northern communist neighbor.

Kwon Oh-bong, the vice commissioner of the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) in Seoul, visited Israel recently and revealed initial details about the growing cooperation in a conversation with the Yedioth Ahronoth daily.

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During the visit, Kwon toured the defense industries and met with senior Defense Ministry officials. In his visit to Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, the South Korean official expressed an interest in the Irom Dome rocket interception system, which was activated successfully in southern Israel recently.

"The security situation and threats faced by Israel and South Korea are very similar," says Kwon. "We are constantly boosting our readiness against North Korea, and we're exposed to the types of incidents and local provocations Israel is familiar with too.

"We too are under a major threat of artillery, missiles and rockets, and we were briefed on Rafael's air defense system. It's a very interesting weapons system and we'll consider it."

Kwon also visited Israel Aerospace Industries, Elisra and Elbit, which are already involved in South Korea's T-50 trainer and assault aircraft project. Based on the F-16, the plane is competing against Italy's Aermacchi M-326 in a bid issued by the Israel Air Force for an advance trainer aircraft to replace the old-fashioned Skyhawk.

The IAI's Elta produces the radar for the plane's assault version, Elisra produces its electronic warfare system, and Elbit – some of the avionics systems.

According to Kwon, "Israeli companies already produce advance systems for the T-50, which has already been purchased by our air force and could contribute to your air force as well. If Israel does purchase the aircraft, Israeli companies will be able to take part in its production. When the Defense Ministry and Air Force select the next trainer aircraft, they should have the future potential cooperation in mind."

Acquisitions of close to $400M
The Korean interest focuses on missile and aerial systems made in Israel. In the past two years, the South Koreans made acquisitions of close to $400 million in Israel, and major deals are still being negotiated between the two countries.

"The South Korean defense budget stands at $30 billion, and the military acquisition budget stands at $10 billion and grows as time goes by on the backdrop of the situation.

"In the past few years we have purchased in Israel the Green Pine radar and the Harpy UAV. The United States has been our main arms supplier for years, but in recent years Israel has become a key acquisition source together with European countries."


Meanwhile, a South Korean delegation which visited Israel at the same time looked into potential collaborations with the Defense Ministry in the areas of security research and development.

"I was very impressed by the fact that 90% of Israel's defense industry activity is designated for exports. This shows how competitive and advanced it is. South Korea also has an extensive and competitive defense industry, which could find partners in Israel."

翻译大意:

以色列正在成为韩国计划中的主要防务供应国。

韩国负责武器采购的主要官员访问参观了以色列国防工业,表达了强烈的采购意向。在参观RAFAEL拉斐尔高级防务系统公司的时候,韩国官员表示出了对铁穹系统的兴趣。

思密达表示 “棒子和包皮面临的防务威胁非常相似。。。。”

以色列已经参与了韩国T50教练机计划。

在2001年过去的2年中,韩国已经从以色列军购4亿美元。韩国基本国防预算约为300亿,其中采购预算100亿。

韩国已经购买GREEN PINE相控阵雷达和哈比无人机。


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4083719,00.html

South Korea is planning to turn Israel into its main arms supplier, following recent border incidents with its northern communist neighbor.

Kwon Oh-bong, the vice commissioner of the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) in Seoul, visited Israel recently and revealed initial details about the growing cooperation in a conversation with the Yedioth Ahronoth daily.

Shared Interest
Why Koreans study Talmud / Tzofia Hirschfeld
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Full story
During the visit, Kwon toured the defense industries and met with senior Defense Ministry officials. In his visit to Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, the South Korean official expressed an interest in the Irom Dome rocket interception system, which was activated successfully in southern Israel recently.

"The security situation and threats faced by Israel and South Korea are very similar," says Kwon. "We are constantly boosting our readiness against North Korea, and we're exposed to the types of incidents and local provocations Israel is familiar with too.

"We too are under a major threat of artillery, missiles and rockets, and we were briefed on Rafael's air defense system. It's a very interesting weapons system and we'll consider it."

Kwon also visited Israel Aerospace Industries, Elisra and Elbit, which are already involved in South Korea's T-50 trainer and assault aircraft project. Based on the F-16, the plane is competing against Italy's Aermacchi M-326 in a bid issued by the Israel Air Force for an advance trainer aircraft to replace the old-fashioned Skyhawk.

The IAI's Elta produces the radar for the plane's assault version, Elisra produces its electronic warfare system, and Elbit – some of the avionics systems.

According to Kwon, "Israeli companies already produce advance systems for the T-50, which has already been purchased by our air force and could contribute to your air force as well. If Israel does purchase the aircraft, Israeli companies will be able to take part in its production. When the Defense Ministry and Air Force select the next trainer aircraft, they should have the future potential cooperation in mind."

Acquisitions of close to $400M
The Korean interest focuses on missile and aerial systems made in Israel. In the past two years, the South Koreans made acquisitions of close to $400 million in Israel, and major deals are still being negotiated between the two countries.

"The South Korean defense budget stands at $30 billion, and the military acquisition budget stands at $10 billion and grows as time goes by on the backdrop of the situation.

"In the past few years we have purchased in Israel the Green Pine radar and the Harpy UAV. The United States has been our main arms supplier for years, but in recent years Israel has become a key acquisition source together with European countries."


Meanwhile, a South Korean delegation which visited Israel at the same time looked into potential collaborations with the Defense Ministry in the areas of security research and development.

"I was very impressed by the fact that 90% of Israel's defense industry activity is designated for exports. This shows how competitive and advanced it is. South Korea also has an extensive and competitive defense industry, which could find partners in Israel."
问题在于,韩国要买多少枚铁穹才够?

难道武器采购官员的智商还不如网友?
棒子要把自己搞破产啊,问题是破产也不顶事啊
缺无花 发表于 2012-11-21 17:26
棒子要把自己搞破产啊,问题是破产也不顶事啊

破产还不至于,还是可以合理计算的。算铁穹5W美元一枚好了。(这还没算上买多了能打折,产多了能便宜)

1W枚铁穹=5亿美元=5-8架三代机

10W枚铁穹=50亿美元=50-80架三代机

如果这个系统真的能起作用,这个钱韩国还真花得起,而且值得花。
棒子的思维很棒子啊
楼上的搞清楚,韩国买铁穹不是为了应付跟朝鲜的全面战争,而是应对朝鲜的冷炮骚扰。要真全面开战,空军早出动轰炸朝鲜了。
Huchiz 发表于 2012-11-21 17:28
破产还不至于,还是可以合理计算的。算铁穹5W美元一枚好了。(这还没算上买多了能打折,产多了能便宜) ...
我想说的是汉城那个坑爹的位置,如果北棒来一次全火力覆盖,铁穹系统能不能扛得住啊
seacat 发表于 2012-11-21 17:29
楼上的搞清楚,韩国买铁穹不是为了应付跟朝鲜的全面战争,而是应对朝鲜的冷炮骚扰。要真全面开战,空军早出 ...
为了防止冷跑骚扰,那么铁穹绝对值得购买,都不用什么讨论了。
而且你这个只算了弹的钱,没有算系统的钱
缺无花 发表于 2012-11-21 17:30
我想说的是汉城那个坑爹的位置,如果北棒来一次全火力覆盖,铁穹系统能不能扛得住啊
朝鲜敢对汉城全火力覆盖,F-15K就敢轰炸平壤。

这是对付边境摩擦骚扰用的,韩国吃过亏。
缺无花 发表于 2012-11-21 17:30
我想说的是汉城那个坑爹的位置,如果北棒来一次全火力覆盖,铁穹系统能不能扛得住啊

首先不要高估北棒子的偷袭实力,所谓的W炮,其实能打得到市区的也就千门而已,再算上训练水平,器材状态,油料蛋药保障等等。

能打着的不少,但是绝对不是天文数字。
缺无花 发表于 2012-11-21 17:31
而且你这个只算了弹的钱,没有算系统的钱

系统是很贵,但是不是消耗品,大规模部署的话,系统可以向更高层的整合。算上蛋蛋买多了能打折,基本应该能把系统的费用抵消不少吧。
金正恩元帅:张成泽东木,如果这件事情是真的,我建议我们暂时停产一切火箭弹.我准备向中国同志要求支援1万吨山东钢管,1万吨化肥,1万吨白糖,你懂的斯目尼达.
seacat 发表于 2012-11-21 17:32
朝鲜敢对汉城全火力覆盖,F-15K就敢轰炸平壤。

这是对付边境摩擦骚扰用的,韩国吃过亏。
只是做个假设,这种可能性当然小之又小了
不过这套系统倒是很实用的说
Huchiz 发表于 2012-11-21 17:28
破产还不至于,还是可以合理计算的。算铁穹5W美元一枚好了。(这还没算上买多了能打折,产多了能便宜) ...
10W枚 棒子往哪摆
黑毛警长 发表于 2012-11-21 17:37
金正恩元帅:张成泽东木,如果这件事情是真的,我建议我们暂时停产一切火箭弹.我准备向中国同志要求支援1万吨山 ...
南棒子笑屎了,就这山寨驴叫火箭弹的准头和射程,南棒子士兵可以先睡一觉了。

北棒子哭屎了,就这浪费化肥和粮食的行径,太不像话了,小P民已经好几个月没吃过糖了。
guoxing1987 发表于 2012-11-21 17:39
10W枚 棒子往哪摆
没办法,只能学习北京伦敦奥运,摆公园,搁房顶,刷上彩漆当市景。
刚刚看了犹太人拦截视频 一发火箭过来 就是10几枚的防御蛋射出 成本呀 棒子买个1000W枚才够
这玩意不是什么高科技啊,一般的陆军近程防空如红旗7就具备

火箭弹低速不难拦截。

问题是,棒子遇到金太阳的火箭海,区区铁琼有用吗
"哈比"无人机   ,哈哈哈
大口径火箭弹和加农炮炮弹能拦得住吗?
缺无花 发表于 2012-11-21 17:30
我想说的是汉城那个坑爹的位置,如果北棒来一次全火力覆盖,铁穹系统能不能扛得住啊
你不会认为北棒子的火炮都能打到汉城吧?
107鸭梨很大
唵叭呢睐矒 发表于 2012-11-21 20:04
你不会认为北棒子的火炮都能打到汉城吧?
40公里不难吧
朝鲜连用火箭弹都闲浪费,直接用炮弹。 棒子去拦截吧
这将是世界军购史上的大笑话

这玩艺不能拦截初速高的炮弹,北棒子最多的是山洞炮
要是北边不打火箭炮了,改榴弹炮,那不傻眼了?
Huchiz 发表于 2012-11-21 17:28
破产还不至于,还是可以合理计算的。算铁穹5W美元一枚好了。(这还没算上买多了能打折,产多了能便宜) ...
光算导弹?钱都是美国支援以色列的,一套铁穹系统大约5000万美元
http://mil.chinaiiss.com/html/20123/28/a4ad76.html
一套系统才几十枚导弹,花费的大头不是导弹
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/mic ... ontent_7543128.html
每套“铁穹”系统由一部识别来袭目标的火力控制雷达和一个便携式导弹发射装置组成,机动性强,几个小时内可转移和重新组装。每套系统配备数十枚高机动性导弹。每枚导弹长3米,直径约15厘米,重90公斤,射程4至70公里。弹头据传可携带11公斤高爆炸药。


你就算买10W枚铁穹,有几套发射装置?能部署到几个地方?能同时拦截几枚?要多少人和雷达什么的配合才能正常工作?
一套铁穹系统6个发射台,一个发射台20枚导弹
http://news.ccvic.com/jsjj/2012/1119/a338747.shtml
这些钱里边有你们买三星手机的钱。
对于任何一个有点工业基础的国家而言铁宆就是个笑话,更别提朝鲜,伊朗了!
果不其然……
Huchiz 发表于 2012-11-21 17:28
破产还不至于,还是可以合理计算的。算铁穹5W美元一枚好了。(这还没算上买多了能打折,产多了能便宜) ...
韩国面临的威胁要比以色列大得多。
铁穷选择威胁大的火箭进行拦截,朝鲜的火箭每个都必须拦截。
铁穷在以色列一天拦截个十个八个就可以收工了,朝鲜要是打过来,估计是一下子几百枚。
光算导弹?钱都是美国支援以色列的,一套铁穹系统大约5000万美元  http://mil.chinaiiss.com/html/20123/ ...
搞清楚,是可以拦截射程4到70公里的火箭弹…!不是说那个拦截是射程70公里…?

尘世游人 发表于 2012-11-22 02:24
搞清楚,是可以拦截射程4到70公里的火箭弹…!不是说那个拦截是射程70公里…?


这关我什么事,我就转帖而已,一个字都没改,有疑问的你可以去中国日报网站投诉啊
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/mic ... ontent_7543128.html

尘世游人 发表于 2012-11-22 02:24
搞清楚,是可以拦截射程4到70公里的火箭弹…!不是说那个拦截是射程70公里…?


这关我什么事,我就转帖而已,一个字都没改,有疑问的你可以去中国日报网站投诉啊
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/mic ... ontent_7543128.html
lz你不知道思密达其实也是包皮国吗?
我觉得对付朝鲜主要还是防冷炮,如果是大规模进攻,比起弹的数量火力通道可能更重要
有10亿中国人民积极购买三星手机和现代汽车,大韩民国还怕没有钱吗?中国啊,那可是全世界的大金主哟。
买个心里安慰。