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纽约时报
新闻标题：
Olympic Ideal Takes Beating In Badminton
奥林匹克理想在羽毛球上受挫
国家：美国
新闻链接：http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/0 ... g-matches.html?_r=1
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原文其实也挺中立的,比国内某些有良心的动不动丢人丢到家的媒体好太多了。回复更是理性。翻了大半部分，有空会填坑。工科男的翻译伤不起，请轻拍
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o CA
I think that choosing to disqualify them is best. We all know that it most likely wasn't the players choices, but their coaches and the people even above them, to carry out these strategies to play poorly on purpose. If you saw the matches, it was obvious they were doing this, as they should have been playing like some of the best in the world. We don't wish that the players have to suffer because of their coaches decisions. Its clearly not of good intentions to play your worst, to get the upper hand, and i don't think they were just saving their strength for later, and it's obvious now.
我认为，选择取消他们资格是最好的。我们都知道，执行这种消极应战的战略，这很可能不是球员的选择，而是教练甚至教练之上的人做出的。如果你看到比赛就会发现，很明显他们这样做了，他们本应该像其他最好的选手一样比赛。我们不希望因为他们教练的决定，而导致球员受到影响。以打得不好来占据上风，显然不是良好的意图，我不认为他们只是在为以后的比赛保存自己的实力，这很明显。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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o Kingofthenet
o Jersey City,NJ新泽西州 泽西城
The problem here is the rules, they reward losing. Another issue it that BOTH teams saw the value in losing, so you had the ridiculousness of TWO teams trying to 'out lose' each other.
问题在规则，输者能得到奖励。两支球队都发现了输掉比赛的价值，所以有了这荒谬的两支球队争输。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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o BL
o CA
In case you don't remember, this World Badminton Federation is the same one that insisted that all women players MUST wear skirts in 2011. It took a whole year of protests from players/fans/peopleto get them to change their mind.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport ... 626/World-badmin...
万一你不记得，世界羽联就是那个2011年坚持要求所有女选手必须穿裙子的。导致了那一整年的从选手到粉丝到人民的抗议。让他们改变主意。
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport ... 626/World-badmin...
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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o Ike E.
o MD
While what the athletes did was morally reprehensible, it is unfair to only fault them and not the system. This round robin was bound to invite this kind of strategy; I have no idea why the BWF was so appalled. It either shows a total lack of foresight or a deliberate attempt to stop the best teams from reaching the top.
Yes, the athletes should be playing their best to excite an audience, but this is certainly not the main reason for any athlete to work so hard and sacrifice so much (some injuring their bodies permanently) to reach the Olympics (especially given the many empty seats in London 2012).
The athletes worked extremely hard in order to win the competition. They would be stupid to put their best out in order to hurt their chances of winning in the end. It's an unfortunate part of strategizing to win a competition, which is part of the game.
I don't understand why people consider this cheating. Cheating is giving yourself an unfair advantage over your competitors - if at all, deliberately underperforming in a match is the opposite of cheating. As many readers pointed out, this strategy is not unique in badminton and is common in soccer, basketball, baseball, and many other sports that haven much bigger audiences and corporate sponsorship.
In my opinion, disqualifying the players was too harsh. The right course of action would've been to give them a formal warning and reprimand, and then change the rules for the next games to avoid this scenario in the future.
当运动员受到道德谴责的时候，只惩罚他们而不惩罚这个系统，这不公平。这种循环赛注定会引入这种策略；我不知道为何世界羽联会如此惊骇。这个赛制既表现得完全缺乏远见，又故意试图让最好的球队折戟在半路。
是的，运动员理因表现出最好水平来让观众兴奋，但这理所当然不是任何运动员辛苦训练牺牲巨大（很多因此给其身体造成了永久损伤）来参加奥运会的主要原因（特别是伦敦2012还有大量空座位）。
运动员极其辛苦的训练是为了比赛。猪脑才会奋力表现来博一个会让他们最后获胜机会变小的结果。赢得比赛的战略是不幸的。
我不明白为什么有人认为这是作弊？作弊是给你对竞争对手不公平的优势。如果在比赛中故意表现不佳是作弊。那么很多读者就会指出这种策略不单单存在于羽毛球比赛。在足球篮球棒球和其他很多拥有大量观众和赞助商的运动中常有出现。
在我看来，取消运动员资格太严厉了。正常的程序应该是给他们一个正式警告和申斥，同时更改接下来比赛的规则以避免这样的情况再次出现。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o BIn
o Jinan济南
I think the rusult would be different if those players were from USA or Europe.
我想如果选手是美国人或欧洲人，结果将是不同的。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o BL
o CA
The spectators who booed got their unintended consequences. Now, they get to see second ranked teams play the finals for the medals.
The 'best effort' rule applies to physical AND mental effort. And in round robin play, it is very smart to save your energy for important matches. People who compare one time events for medals (like marathons and swimming) are comparing apples and oranges. You cannot fall back in arspeed race hoping to win a medal, you will not. According to the badminton rules, you MUST because if you play the preliminaries to the max you have nothing left for the finals. Too bad for the spectators, but they should complain to the rule makers, not about smart players.
嘘他们的观众并没意识到会是如此结果。现在，他们能看到二流的球队打总决赛了。
“尽力而为”的规则适用于身体和精神的努力。在循环赛中，为重要的比赛节省体力这是非常聪明的。为奖牌不同阶段的努力是不同的（好比马拉松和游泳）。根据羽毛球规则，你如果预赛时拼尽全力，决赛时将一无所获。对现场观众而言是糟糕的，但他们应该抱怨规则的制定者，而不是聪明的球员。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o Hong Ling Jin
o Boston波士顿
The organizers made mistakes and they blamed the players for their mistakes. Do you win a gold medal after winning one badminton game? Do you win a medal after winning two games? Three games? No, the answer is that you don't win the gold medal until you win the last game, and it's the last game count.
Now use long distance running as an analogy. If you are an elite runner, but you don't try to get ahead of the pack and stay there, can people accuse you of cheating and not giving your 100% percent effort in the first K, the second K, or the third K? No, you want to preserve energy and stay steady. Maybe your teammate will be a coy to run ahead and exhaust your opponents. Is that cheating?
You don't win the gold medal for being first in the first K, the second K or the third K. You win it by being first at the end of the race. No one should force you to exert all your energy to be the first all the time. That is unreasonable. Unless race organizers make rule changes to make every single K count.
组织者的错误他们却责怪选手不对。你赢了一场羽毛球比赛后会得到一块金牌吗？你赢了两场比赛后会得到一块金牌吗？三次比赛呢？不会，答案是你知道赢得最后比赛才会获得金牌。最后一次比赛才做数。
用一个长距离赛跑作比方。如果你善于跑步，但是你没试图跑在最前面，人们能因你在第一圈，第二圈，第三圈没有尽100%努力跑步，而指控你作弊吗？不能，因为这时你希望保留体力保持稳定的状态。也许你的队友会冲到前面去让对手们精疲力竭，这是作弊吗？
你不会因为在第一圈、第二圈或第三圈领先而获得金牌，你因为在最后一圈跑在第一而赢。没有人会强迫你一开始就用尽全力，这是毫无道理的。除非赛事组织者制定规则记录每圈的排名。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o PC
o Brooklyn, NY纽约
Perhaps they should have similiar seeded systems like in Tennis, Volleyball, and etc where the strongest team play against the weakest team, thus eliminating them. If you are of a higher seed, you will play with a weaker team, thus giving teams an incentive to win.
也许他们应该引入类似网球排球等运动的种子选手。让最强的队伍与最弱的队伍对上，淘汰掉他们。如果你是排名更靠前的种子，你会遇上更弱的队伍，这样激励队伍去赢。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
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o Richard D. Cameron
o Wyckoff, New Jersey新泽西
The moral relativism expressed by many commentators is a metaphor for our societal problems.
很多评论员的观点都带有道德相对主义，这已经成为我们的默认的社会问题。
One and done, skip all the round-robin nonsense.跳过所有循环赛的废话。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
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o sharoom
o Chicago芝加哥
So many people are blinded by their romantic view of athletes "giving it their all" to realize that the round-robin style play implemented by the BWF to determine qualification doesn't actually reward athletes for "giving it their all." It penalizes them for it. For the Chinese badminton players, this was their situation: if you win the match, you play for gold or bronze. If you lose, you play for gold or silver. Any rule structure that allows this scenario is inherently broken. Athletes SHOULD be rewarded for giving it their all and they deserve a rule system to do this. Either redraw brackets after the preliminary rounds or play straight knockout from the start.
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:06 a.m.
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o Al K
o Monmouth Junction NJ新泽西州蒙茅斯交界处
The system is a mess if there is any advantage to losing the match. In their situation, I would have forfeited the match. That would get the match that I wanted while pointing out the rediculousness of the system
该赛制是个烂摊子，如果处于他们那个位置，输掉比赛能获得好处，我也会放弃掉比赛。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
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o michael
o Shanghai上海
They have played hard to get the qualification for the next round without the necessary requirement of winning the last group game . No rules are violated . If they are kicked out , what about other games in football . It is not hard to see that many teams will choose to face easier opponent . Please look at Japanese female football team , they tried to lose the game to avoid moving to another city , and relatively easier game .
For theses chinese badminton girls , they just want to keep their energy and do their best in finals , are they really wrong ?
他们很努力的比赛来获得晋级的资格，并无需赢这最后一场小组赛，没有规则被侵犯。如果他们这都被踢出去了，那么足球比赛怎么说？不难见到很多球队选择碰到弱旅。请看看日本女足，他们试着输掉一场比赛以避免去另一个城市，同时遇个容易点的对手。
对于这些中国羽毛球妹子，他们只是为了保留体力以在决赛更好表现，这也有错？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:00 a.m.
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o Joan
o California加利福尼亚
I hope I'm not the only person who thought those rascally badminton players were creating a fire hazard (based on the headline)
我希望我不是唯一认为这些无赖的羽毛球选手制造了隐患的人（根据标题）。
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o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Jay
o South Bend南本德
For an olympian, winning a gold medal, not winning every game, is his/her ultimate goal. Most accolades (along with all kinds of material rewards) are given to those who win a medal, not those who do their best to win every game. The end-result is considered the aggregate reflection of the long process including hard work and smart strategies in individual games and in the entire tournament. Top competitors in the prreliminary heats in track and swimming work in the same way the disqualified badminton players. Difference lies merely in how obvious such strategic moves look.
对于一个奥运选手，赢一块金牌，而不是赢每场比赛，是他或她的最终目标。最终的赞美都是给了那些赢得了奖牌的选手，而不是那些尽力去赢每场比赛的选手。最终的结果是包括针对每场比赛的大量的辛勤工作和战术策略制定的总体反映。赛跑和游泳预赛上的最优秀运动员与这些被取消资格的羽毛球选手采取的相同的方法，区别只是在于没这么明显。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Vexray
o Spartanburg SC斯帕坦堡SC
Why not let the four play each other ... and throw out two of them?
And then force them to play the very players they did not want to meet in the elimination round, before they can advance.
Should send a message loud and clear - throughout the games!
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Joe
o CA
The new system recently introduced at the Olympics is as much at fault as the players. The ultimate goal for a player is too reach the top, and choosing the path to the top is the right of the players, as far as they are playing within the rules. If the players can be disqualified because of this, should the officials who designed this new system be fired as well?
奥运上最近引入的新赛制对选手而言是个错误。对选手而言，最终目的是达到最高，选择什么样的路径去达到最高是选手的权利。如果选手因文中原因要被取消资格，那么设计这个赛制的官员是不是也该被开除？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o wamger
o NY纽约
BWF can announce their success of the new rule - reward the weaker player, and penalize the top players. And look at who are the weaker teams and who are the top ones? They are not stupid.
国际羽联能宣布他们的新规则成功了。奖励弱的选手，处罚最强的选手。看看谁是弱队，谁是顶级的？他们并不笨。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:48 a.m.
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o john
o wyoming怀俄明州
seemingly sad, but you really cannot blame the athletes nor their coaches. play the game by the rules and if the situation stinks it is probably the rules at fault. the final comment by the top ranked chinese player is salient. if you have never played sport at a high level then you probably do not understand the real heart of the matter
看上去挺悲伤，但你真的不能责怪运动员和教练。按照规则比赛，如果情况太恶心，那么可能是规则有错。中国的顶级选手最后的意见很突出。如果你从来没有打过高水平的比赛，你可能不会懂得这问题的核心。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
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o Z
o Guo
With the world's best players kicked out, let's watch badminton players from Canada playing against Australia! They are actually trying to defeat each other, in case you cannot tell from the television. That's what we want from Olympic spirit: "higher, faster and stronger"!
把世界最好的选手踢出去，让我们观看加拿大和澳大利亚选手的羽毛球比赛！他们实际上是在击败彼此，此时无法说，这就是我们所希望的奥林匹克精神：“更高更快更强”！
Since when does losing a battle "disqualify" one side from winning the war?
从什么时候开始，输掉一场战役就要取消赢取一场战争的资格？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
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o chankwai-choi
o sydney悉尼
If Usain Bolt , like the US athletes, were to run at 9.8s in the heat yet got thru' to the semi, 9.7s in the semifinal but still managed to get into the final, would he be disqualified with us knowing very well he had NOT given his best? It's strategy to save power in your tank to WIN in the final which is what ALL Olympians are there for in the first place, to win the war, not the battle. Some even commented Bolt STILL hadn't given his BEST in Beijing so as to allow room for himself to break his own record here in London!
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o Shean
o Atlanta亚特兰大
How do they cheat in a badminton game? They win or they lose. If they wanted to lose, it was up to them, not the umpire or the spectators. They chose their options for their own reasons. They were at the group stage? Who said they had to win every single game during group stage? They play badminton with not only their physical abilities but also their brains. When they felt they didn't need to spend extra energy, they could conserve for later, more important rounds. Moreover, when they decided to participate the olympics with injuries, the olympic spirit had already shown in them.
他们怎么在羽毛球赛上作弊了？他们赢或输。如果他们想输，那是对他们，而不是裁判员或观众。他们的选择有他们的理由。他们在小组赛？谁说他们需要赢每一场小组赛？他们玩羽毛球并不只是用身体，还需要用脑子。当他们觉得不需要花费多余的精力时，他们可以为以后更重要的比赛做留存。更何况，当他们决定带伤参加奥林匹克比赛，奥林匹克精神就已经得到了很好的体现。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o DWOtruth
o Ct
It's just a bad system; change it and you'll solve the problem. This isn't rocket science.
这是个坏的系统，更改掉将解决这些问题，这不是艰难的事儿。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o fkk501
o CT
It is time for the badminton players to form a new organization and throw out the authoritatian and anachrostic WBF. They get scant respect as players and are treated like children, being summoned and chastised despite being the world class atheltes that they are. No one paid tickets to watch the umpires - we come to admire the athletic prowess of the badminton players. Shame also to the IOC for not calling the WBF on this type of narrow-mindedness.
羽毛球选手们，是时候组个新组织，抛弃专制的落伍的国际羽联了。他们对选手缺乏尊重，像对小孩一样召唤惩罚世界级选手。没有人为观看裁判买票。我们敬佩这些英勇超凡的羽毛球运动员。为奥委会没有因国际羽联的狭隘偏执而传唤他们感到羞愧。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o Lance
o Chicago芝加哥
Hey, lets take a look these two English Olympic heroes, Bert Bushnell and DickieBurnell.I am sure they are the inventers of "deliberately trying to lose their matches" strategy. :0
嘿，让我们看看两个英国的奥运英雄，Bert Bushnell和DickieBurnell。我确定他们发明了这种故意输掉比赛的策略:0
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
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o Michael
o United States美国
This became ridiculous because both sides tried to lose. But is it any better when only one side is trying to lose (and thus shielded from being glaringly obvious)?
If pretense is wrong, then we should also penalize baseball players in the following situations:
- Pitchers throws at a hitter while pretending he just lost it.
- Runner runs wildly into second base, pretending he doesn't know how to slide properly, when his real intention is to break up a double play.
- Runner crashes into catcher at home, pretending it's a natural collision, when he is intentionally trying to jar the ball loose.
These are accepted traditions in baseball, but it is still dishonest in the pure sense. Baseball was never meant to be a contact sport, yet to this date we accept crashes at home plate as normal. As in the badmington case, only rule changes would facilitate more honest sportsmanship by taking away the incentive to pretend.
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
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W
CA
FLAG
Very true, but you have to understand these players dont make these sacrifices in game, to lose the actual game. The comparison isn't correct though as they aren't trying to lose the actual baseball game, only making play, and this is the Olympics.
Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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新闻标题：
Olympic Ideal Takes Beating In Badminton
奥林匹克理想在羽毛球上受挫
国家：美国
新闻链接：http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/0 ... g-matches.html?_r=1
龙腾地址:http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/forum.p ... id=76513&extra=
原文其实也挺中立的,比国内某些有良心的动不动丢人丢到家的媒体好太多了。回复更是理性。翻了大半部分，有空会填坑。工科男的翻译伤不起，请轻拍
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o CA
I think that choosing to disqualify them is best. We all know that it most likely wasn't the players choices, but their coaches and the people even above them, to carry out these strategies to play poorly on purpose. If you saw the matches, it was obvious they were doing this, as they should have been playing like some of the best in the world. We don't wish that the players have to suffer because of their coaches decisions. Its clearly not of good intentions to play your worst, to get the upper hand, and i don't think they were just saving their strength for later, and it's obvious now.
我认为，选择取消他们资格是最好的。我们都知道，执行这种消极应战的战略，这很可能不是球员的选择，而是教练甚至教练之上的人做出的。如果你看到比赛就会发现，很明显他们这样做了，他们本应该像其他最好的选手一样比赛。我们不希望因为他们教练的决定，而导致球员受到影响。以打得不好来占据上风，显然不是良好的意图，我不认为他们只是在为以后的比赛保存自己的实力，这很明显。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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o Kingofthenet
o Jersey City,NJ新泽西州 泽西城
The problem here is the rules, they reward losing. Another issue it that BOTH teams saw the value in losing, so you had the ridiculousness of TWO teams trying to 'out lose' each other.
问题在规则，输者能得到奖励。两支球队都发现了输掉比赛的价值，所以有了这荒谬的两支球队争输。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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o BL
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In case you don't remember, this World Badminton Federation is the same one that insisted that all women players MUST wear skirts in 2011. It took a whole year of protests from players/fans/peopleto get them to change their mind.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport ... 626/World-badmin...
万一你不记得，世界羽联就是那个2011年坚持要求所有女选手必须穿裙子的。导致了那一整年的从选手到粉丝到人民的抗议。让他们改变主意。
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport ... 626/World-badmin...
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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o Ike E.
o MD
While what the athletes did was morally reprehensible, it is unfair to only fault them and not the system. This round robin was bound to invite this kind of strategy; I have no idea why the BWF was so appalled. It either shows a total lack of foresight or a deliberate attempt to stop the best teams from reaching the top.
Yes, the athletes should be playing their best to excite an audience, but this is certainly not the main reason for any athlete to work so hard and sacrifice so much (some injuring their bodies permanently) to reach the Olympics (especially given the many empty seats in London 2012).
The athletes worked extremely hard in order to win the competition. They would be stupid to put their best out in order to hurt their chances of winning in the end. It's an unfortunate part of strategizing to win a competition, which is part of the game.
I don't understand why people consider this cheating. Cheating is giving yourself an unfair advantage over your competitors - if at all, deliberately underperforming in a match is the opposite of cheating. As many readers pointed out, this strategy is not unique in badminton and is common in soccer, basketball, baseball, and many other sports that haven much bigger audiences and corporate sponsorship.
In my opinion, disqualifying the players was too harsh. The right course of action would've been to give them a formal warning and reprimand, and then change the rules for the next games to avoid this scenario in the future.
当运动员受到道德谴责的时候，只惩罚他们而不惩罚这个系统，这不公平。这种循环赛注定会引入这种策略；我不知道为何世界羽联会如此惊骇。这个赛制既表现得完全缺乏远见，又故意试图让最好的球队折戟在半路。
是的，运动员理因表现出最好水平来让观众兴奋，但这理所当然不是任何运动员辛苦训练牺牲巨大（很多因此给其身体造成了永久损伤）来参加奥运会的主要原因（特别是伦敦2012还有大量空座位）。
运动员极其辛苦的训练是为了比赛。猪脑才会奋力表现来博一个会让他们最后获胜机会变小的结果。赢得比赛的战略是不幸的。
我不明白为什么有人认为这是作弊？作弊是给你对竞争对手不公平的优势。如果在比赛中故意表现不佳是作弊。那么很多读者就会指出这种策略不单单存在于羽毛球比赛。在足球篮球棒球和其他很多拥有大量观众和赞助商的运动中常有出现。
在我看来，取消运动员资格太严厉了。正常的程序应该是给他们一个正式警告和申斥，同时更改接下来比赛的规则以避免这样的情况再次出现。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o BIn
o Jinan济南
I think the rusult would be different if those players were from USA or Europe.
我想如果选手是美国人或欧洲人，结果将是不同的。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o BL
o CA
The spectators who booed got their unintended consequences. Now, they get to see second ranked teams play the finals for the medals.
The 'best effort' rule applies to physical AND mental effort. And in round robin play, it is very smart to save your energy for important matches. People who compare one time events for medals (like marathons and swimming) are comparing apples and oranges. You cannot fall back in arspeed race hoping to win a medal, you will not. According to the badminton rules, you MUST because if you play the preliminaries to the max you have nothing left for the finals. Too bad for the spectators, but they should complain to the rule makers, not about smart players.
嘘他们的观众并没意识到会是如此结果。现在，他们能看到二流的球队打总决赛了。
“尽力而为”的规则适用于身体和精神的努力。在循环赛中，为重要的比赛节省体力这是非常聪明的。为奖牌不同阶段的努力是不同的（好比马拉松和游泳）。根据羽毛球规则，你如果预赛时拼尽全力，决赛时将一无所获。对现场观众而言是糟糕的，但他们应该抱怨规则的制定者，而不是聪明的球员。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o Hong Ling Jin
o Boston波士顿
The organizers made mistakes and they blamed the players for their mistakes. Do you win a gold medal after winning one badminton game? Do you win a medal after winning two games? Three games? No, the answer is that you don't win the gold medal until you win the last game, and it's the last game count.
Now use long distance running as an analogy. If you are an elite runner, but you don't try to get ahead of the pack and stay there, can people accuse you of cheating and not giving your 100% percent effort in the first K, the second K, or the third K? No, you want to preserve energy and stay steady. Maybe your teammate will be a coy to run ahead and exhaust your opponents. Is that cheating?
You don't win the gold medal for being first in the first K, the second K or the third K. You win it by being first at the end of the race. No one should force you to exert all your energy to be the first all the time. That is unreasonable. Unless race organizers make rule changes to make every single K count.
组织者的错误他们却责怪选手不对。你赢了一场羽毛球比赛后会得到一块金牌吗？你赢了两场比赛后会得到一块金牌吗？三次比赛呢？不会，答案是你知道赢得最后比赛才会获得金牌。最后一次比赛才做数。
用一个长距离赛跑作比方。如果你善于跑步，但是你没试图跑在最前面，人们能因你在第一圈，第二圈，第三圈没有尽100%努力跑步，而指控你作弊吗？不能，因为这时你希望保留体力保持稳定的状态。也许你的队友会冲到前面去让对手们精疲力竭，这是作弊吗？
你不会因为在第一圈、第二圈或第三圈领先而获得金牌，你因为在最后一圈跑在第一而赢。没有人会强迫你一开始就用尽全力，这是毫无道理的。除非赛事组织者制定规则记录每圈的排名。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o PC
o Brooklyn, NY纽约
Perhaps they should have similiar seeded systems like in Tennis, Volleyball, and etc where the strongest team play against the weakest team, thus eliminating them. If you are of a higher seed, you will play with a weaker team, thus giving teams an incentive to win.
也许他们应该引入类似网球排球等运动的种子选手。让最强的队伍与最弱的队伍对上，淘汰掉他们。如果你是排名更靠前的种子，你会遇上更弱的队伍，这样激励队伍去赢。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
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o Richard D. Cameron
o Wyckoff, New Jersey新泽西
The moral relativism expressed by many commentators is a metaphor for our societal problems.
很多评论员的观点都带有道德相对主义，这已经成为我们的默认的社会问题。
One and done, skip all the round-robin nonsense.跳过所有循环赛的废话。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
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o sharoom
o Chicago芝加哥
So many people are blinded by their romantic view of athletes "giving it their all" to realize that the round-robin style play implemented by the BWF to determine qualification doesn't actually reward athletes for "giving it their all." It penalizes them for it. For the Chinese badminton players, this was their situation: if you win the match, you play for gold or bronze. If you lose, you play for gold or silver. Any rule structure that allows this scenario is inherently broken. Athletes SHOULD be rewarded for giving it their all and they deserve a rule system to do this. Either redraw brackets after the preliminary rounds or play straight knockout from the start.
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:06 a.m.
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o Al K
o Monmouth Junction NJ新泽西州蒙茅斯交界处
The system is a mess if there is any advantage to losing the match. In their situation, I would have forfeited the match. That would get the match that I wanted while pointing out the rediculousness of the system
该赛制是个烂摊子，如果处于他们那个位置，输掉比赛能获得好处，我也会放弃掉比赛。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
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o michael
o Shanghai上海
They have played hard to get the qualification for the next round without the necessary requirement of winning the last group game . No rules are violated . If they are kicked out , what about other games in football . It is not hard to see that many teams will choose to face easier opponent . Please look at Japanese female football team , they tried to lose the game to avoid moving to another city , and relatively easier game .
For theses chinese badminton girls , they just want to keep their energy and do their best in finals , are they really wrong ?
他们很努力的比赛来获得晋级的资格，并无需赢这最后一场小组赛，没有规则被侵犯。如果他们这都被踢出去了，那么足球比赛怎么说？不难见到很多球队选择碰到弱旅。请看看日本女足，他们试着输掉一场比赛以避免去另一个城市，同时遇个容易点的对手。
对于这些中国羽毛球妹子，他们只是为了保留体力以在决赛更好表现，这也有错？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:00 a.m.
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o Joan
o California加利福尼亚
I hope I'm not the only person who thought those rascally badminton players were creating a fire hazard (based on the headline)
我希望我不是唯一认为这些无赖的羽毛球选手制造了隐患的人（根据标题）。
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o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Jay
o South Bend南本德
For an olympian, winning a gold medal, not winning every game, is his/her ultimate goal. Most accolades (along with all kinds of material rewards) are given to those who win a medal, not those who do their best to win every game. The end-result is considered the aggregate reflection of the long process including hard work and smart strategies in individual games and in the entire tournament. Top competitors in the prreliminary heats in track and swimming work in the same way the disqualified badminton players. Difference lies merely in how obvious such strategic moves look.
对于一个奥运选手，赢一块金牌，而不是赢每场比赛，是他或她的最终目标。最终的赞美都是给了那些赢得了奖牌的选手，而不是那些尽力去赢每场比赛的选手。最终的结果是包括针对每场比赛的大量的辛勤工作和战术策略制定的总体反映。赛跑和游泳预赛上的最优秀运动员与这些被取消资格的羽毛球选手采取的相同的方法，区别只是在于没这么明显。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Vexray
o Spartanburg SC斯帕坦堡SC
Why not let the four play each other ... and throw out two of them?
And then force them to play the very players they did not want to meet in the elimination round, before they can advance.
Should send a message loud and clear - throughout the games!
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Joe
o CA
The new system recently introduced at the Olympics is as much at fault as the players. The ultimate goal for a player is too reach the top, and choosing the path to the top is the right of the players, as far as they are playing within the rules. If the players can be disqualified because of this, should the officials who designed this new system be fired as well?
奥运上最近引入的新赛制对选手而言是个错误。对选手而言，最终目的是达到最高，选择什么样的路径去达到最高是选手的权利。如果选手因文中原因要被取消资格，那么设计这个赛制的官员是不是也该被开除？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o wamger
o NY纽约
BWF can announce their success of the new rule - reward the weaker player, and penalize the top players. And look at who are the weaker teams and who are the top ones? They are not stupid.
国际羽联能宣布他们的新规则成功了。奖励弱的选手，处罚最强的选手。看看谁是弱队，谁是顶级的？他们并不笨。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:48 a.m.
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o john
o wyoming怀俄明州
seemingly sad, but you really cannot blame the athletes nor their coaches. play the game by the rules and if the situation stinks it is probably the rules at fault. the final comment by the top ranked chinese player is salient. if you have never played sport at a high level then you probably do not understand the real heart of the matter
看上去挺悲伤，但你真的不能责怪运动员和教练。按照规则比赛，如果情况太恶心，那么可能是规则有错。中国的顶级选手最后的意见很突出。如果你从来没有打过高水平的比赛，你可能不会懂得这问题的核心。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
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o Z
o Guo
With the world's best players kicked out, let's watch badminton players from Canada playing against Australia! They are actually trying to defeat each other, in case you cannot tell from the television. That's what we want from Olympic spirit: "higher, faster and stronger"!
把世界最好的选手踢出去，让我们观看加拿大和澳大利亚选手的羽毛球比赛！他们实际上是在击败彼此，此时无法说，这就是我们所希望的奥林匹克精神：“更高更快更强”！
Since when does losing a battle "disqualify" one side from winning the war?
从什么时候开始，输掉一场战役就要取消赢取一场战争的资格？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
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o chankwai-choi
o sydney悉尼
If Usain Bolt , like the US athletes, were to run at 9.8s in the heat yet got thru' to the semi, 9.7s in the semifinal but still managed to get into the final, would he be disqualified with us knowing very well he had NOT given his best? It's strategy to save power in your tank to WIN in the final which is what ALL Olympians are there for in the first place, to win the war, not the battle. Some even commented Bolt STILL hadn't given his BEST in Beijing so as to allow room for himself to break his own record here in London!
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o Shean
o Atlanta亚特兰大
How do they cheat in a badminton game? They win or they lose. If they wanted to lose, it was up to them, not the umpire or the spectators. They chose their options for their own reasons. They were at the group stage? Who said they had to win every single game during group stage? They play badminton with not only their physical abilities but also their brains. When they felt they didn't need to spend extra energy, they could conserve for later, more important rounds. Moreover, when they decided to participate the olympics with injuries, the olympic spirit had already shown in them.
他们怎么在羽毛球赛上作弊了？他们赢或输。如果他们想输，那是对他们，而不是裁判员或观众。他们的选择有他们的理由。他们在小组赛？谁说他们需要赢每一场小组赛？他们玩羽毛球并不只是用身体，还需要用脑子。当他们觉得不需要花费多余的精力时，他们可以为以后更重要的比赛做留存。更何况，当他们决定带伤参加奥林匹克比赛，奥林匹克精神就已经得到了很好的体现。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o DWOtruth
o Ct
It's just a bad system; change it and you'll solve the problem. This isn't rocket science.
这是个坏的系统，更改掉将解决这些问题，这不是艰难的事儿。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o fkk501
o CT
It is time for the badminton players to form a new organization and throw out the authoritatian and anachrostic WBF. They get scant respect as players and are treated like children, being summoned and chastised despite being the world class atheltes that they are. No one paid tickets to watch the umpires - we come to admire the athletic prowess of the badminton players. Shame also to the IOC for not calling the WBF on this type of narrow-mindedness.
羽毛球选手们，是时候组个新组织，抛弃专制的落伍的国际羽联了。他们对选手缺乏尊重，像对小孩一样召唤惩罚世界级选手。没有人为观看裁判买票。我们敬佩这些英勇超凡的羽毛球运动员。为奥委会没有因国际羽联的狭隘偏执而传唤他们感到羞愧。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o Lance
o Chicago芝加哥
Hey, lets take a look these two English Olympic heroes, Bert Bushnell and DickieBurnell.I am sure they are the inventers of "deliberately trying to lose their matches" strategy. :0
嘿，让我们看看两个英国的奥运英雄，Bert Bushnell和DickieBurnell。我确定他们发明了这种故意输掉比赛的策略:0
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
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o Michael
o United States美国
This became ridiculous because both sides tried to lose. But is it any better when only one side is trying to lose (and thus shielded from being glaringly obvious)?
If pretense is wrong, then we should also penalize baseball players in the following situations:
- Pitchers throws at a hitter while pretending he just lost it.
- Runner runs wildly into second base, pretending he doesn't know how to slide properly, when his real intention is to break up a double play.
- Runner crashes into catcher at home, pretending it's a natural collision, when he is intentionally trying to jar the ball loose.
These are accepted traditions in baseball, but it is still dishonest in the pure sense. Baseball was never meant to be a contact sport, yet to this date we accept crashes at home plate as normal. As in the badmington case, only rule changes would facilitate more honest sportsmanship by taking away the incentive to pretend.
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
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W
CA
FLAG
Very true, but you have to understand these players dont make these sacrifices in game, to lose the actual game. The comparison isn't correct though as they aren't trying to lose the actual baseball game, only making play, and this is the Olympics.
Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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Olympic Ideal Takes Beating In Badminton
奥林匹克理想在羽毛球上受挫
国家：美国
新闻链接：http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/0 ... g-matches.html?_r=1
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原文其实也挺中立的,比国内某些有良心的动不动丢人丢到家的媒体好太多了。回复更是理性。翻了大半部分，有空会填坑。工科男的翻译伤不起，请轻拍
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o
W
o CA
I think that choosing to disqualify them is best. We all know that it most likely wasn't the players choices, but their coaches and the people even above them, to carry out these strategies to play poorly on purpose. If you saw the matches, it was obvious they were doing this, as they should have been playing like some of the best in the world. We don't wish that the players have to suffer because of their coaches decisions. Its clearly not of good intentions to play your worst, to get the upper hand, and i don't think they were just saving their strength for later, and it's obvious now.
我认为，选择取消他们资格是最好的。我们都知道，执行这种消极应战的战略，这很可能不是球员的选择，而是教练甚至教练之上的人做出的。如果你看到比赛就会发现，很明显他们这样做了，他们本应该像其他最好的选手一样比赛。我们不希望因为他们教练的决定，而导致球员受到影响。以打得不好来占据上风，显然不是良好的意图，我不认为他们只是在为以后的比赛保存自己的实力，这很明显。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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o Kingofthenet
o Jersey City,NJ新泽西州 泽西城
The problem here is the rules, they reward losing. Another issue it that BOTH teams saw the value in losing, so you had the ridiculousness of TWO teams trying to 'out lose' each other.
问题在规则，输者能得到奖励。两支球队都发现了输掉比赛的价值，所以有了这荒谬的两支球队争输。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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In case you don't remember, this World Badminton Federation is the same one that insisted that all women players MUST wear skirts in 2011. It took a whole year of protests from players/fans/peopleto get them to change their mind.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport ... 626/World-badmin...
万一你不记得，世界羽联就是那个2011年坚持要求所有女选手必须穿裙子的。导致了那一整年的从选手到粉丝到人民的抗议。让他们改变主意。
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport ... 626/World-badmin...
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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o Ike E.
o MD
While what the athletes did was morally reprehensible, it is unfair to only fault them and not the system. This round robin was bound to invite this kind of strategy; I have no idea why the BWF was so appalled. It either shows a total lack of foresight or a deliberate attempt to stop the best teams from reaching the top.
Yes, the athletes should be playing their best to excite an audience, but this is certainly not the main reason for any athlete to work so hard and sacrifice so much (some injuring their bodies permanently) to reach the Olympics (especially given the many empty seats in London 2012).
The athletes worked extremely hard in order to win the competition. They would be stupid to put their best out in order to hurt their chances of winning in the end. It's an unfortunate part of strategizing to win a competition, which is part of the game.
I don't understand why people consider this cheating. Cheating is giving yourself an unfair advantage over your competitors - if at all, deliberately underperforming in a match is the opposite of cheating. As many readers pointed out, this strategy is not unique in badminton and is common in soccer, basketball, baseball, and many other sports that haven much bigger audiences and corporate sponsorship.
In my opinion, disqualifying the players was too harsh. The right course of action would've been to give them a formal warning and reprimand, and then change the rules for the next games to avoid this scenario in the future.
当运动员受到道德谴责的时候，只惩罚他们而不惩罚这个系统，这不公平。这种循环赛注定会引入这种策略；我不知道为何世界羽联会如此惊骇。这个赛制既表现得完全缺乏远见，又故意试图让最好的球队折戟在半路。
是的，运动员理因表现出最好水平来让观众兴奋，但这理所当然不是任何运动员辛苦训练牺牲巨大（很多因此给其身体造成了永久损伤）来参加奥运会的主要原因（特别是伦敦2012还有大量空座位）。
运动员极其辛苦的训练是为了比赛。猪脑才会奋力表现来博一个会让他们最后获胜机会变小的结果。赢得比赛的战略是不幸的。
我不明白为什么有人认为这是作弊？作弊是给你对竞争对手不公平的优势。如果在比赛中故意表现不佳是作弊。那么很多读者就会指出这种策略不单单存在于羽毛球比赛。在足球篮球棒球和其他很多拥有大量观众和赞助商的运动中常有出现。
在我看来，取消运动员资格太严厉了。正常的程序应该是给他们一个正式警告和申斥，同时更改接下来比赛的规则以避免这样的情况再次出现。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o BIn
o Jinan济南
I think the rusult would be different if those players were from USA or Europe.
我想如果选手是美国人或欧洲人，结果将是不同的。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o BL
o CA
The spectators who booed got their unintended consequences. Now, they get to see second ranked teams play the finals for the medals.
The 'best effort' rule applies to physical AND mental effort. And in round robin play, it is very smart to save your energy for important matches. People who compare one time events for medals (like marathons and swimming) are comparing apples and oranges. You cannot fall back in arspeed race hoping to win a medal, you will not. According to the badminton rules, you MUST because if you play the preliminaries to the max you have nothing left for the finals. Too bad for the spectators, but they should complain to the rule makers, not about smart players.
嘘他们的观众并没意识到会是如此结果。现在，他们能看到二流的球队打总决赛了。
“尽力而为”的规则适用于身体和精神的努力。在循环赛中，为重要的比赛节省体力这是非常聪明的。为奖牌不同阶段的努力是不同的（好比马拉松和游泳）。根据羽毛球规则，你如果预赛时拼尽全力，决赛时将一无所获。对现场观众而言是糟糕的，但他们应该抱怨规则的制定者，而不是聪明的球员。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o Hong Ling Jin
o Boston波士顿
The organizers made mistakes and they blamed the players for their mistakes. Do you win a gold medal after winning one badminton game? Do you win a medal after winning two games? Three games? No, the answer is that you don't win the gold medal until you win the last game, and it's the last game count.
Now use long distance running as an analogy. If you are an elite runner, but you don't try to get ahead of the pack and stay there, can people accuse you of cheating and not giving your 100% percent effort in the first K, the second K, or the third K? No, you want to preserve energy and stay steady. Maybe your teammate will be a coy to run ahead and exhaust your opponents. Is that cheating?
You don't win the gold medal for being first in the first K, the second K or the third K. You win it by being first at the end of the race. No one should force you to exert all your energy to be the first all the time. That is unreasonable. Unless race organizers make rule changes to make every single K count.
组织者的错误他们却责怪选手不对。你赢了一场羽毛球比赛后会得到一块金牌吗？你赢了两场比赛后会得到一块金牌吗？三次比赛呢？不会，答案是你知道赢得最后比赛才会获得金牌。最后一次比赛才做数。
用一个长距离赛跑作比方。如果你善于跑步，但是你没试图跑在最前面，人们能因你在第一圈，第二圈，第三圈没有尽100%努力跑步，而指控你作弊吗？不能，因为这时你希望保留体力保持稳定的状态。也许你的队友会冲到前面去让对手们精疲力竭，这是作弊吗？
你不会因为在第一圈、第二圈或第三圈领先而获得金牌，你因为在最后一圈跑在第一而赢。没有人会强迫你一开始就用尽全力，这是毫无道理的。除非赛事组织者制定规则记录每圈的排名。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o PC
o Brooklyn, NY纽约
Perhaps they should have similiar seeded systems like in Tennis, Volleyball, and etc where the strongest team play against the weakest team, thus eliminating them. If you are of a higher seed, you will play with a weaker team, thus giving teams an incentive to win.
也许他们应该引入类似网球排球等运动的种子选手。让最强的队伍与最弱的队伍对上，淘汰掉他们。如果你是排名更靠前的种子，你会遇上更弱的队伍，这样激励队伍去赢。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
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o Richard D. Cameron
o Wyckoff, New Jersey新泽西
The moral relativism expressed by many commentators is a metaphor for our societal problems.
很多评论员的观点都带有道德相对主义，这已经成为我们的默认的社会问题。
One and done, skip all the round-robin nonsense.跳过所有循环赛的废话。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
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o sharoom
o Chicago芝加哥
So many people are blinded by their romantic view of athletes "giving it their all" to realize that the round-robin style play implemented by the BWF to determine qualification doesn't actually reward athletes for "giving it their all." It penalizes them for it. For the Chinese badminton players, this was their situation: if you win the match, you play for gold or bronze. If you lose, you play for gold or silver. Any rule structure that allows this scenario is inherently broken. Athletes SHOULD be rewarded for giving it their all and they deserve a rule system to do this. Either redraw brackets after the preliminary rounds or play straight knockout from the start.
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:06 a.m.
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o Al K
o Monmouth Junction NJ新泽西州蒙茅斯交界处
The system is a mess if there is any advantage to losing the match. In their situation, I would have forfeited the match. That would get the match that I wanted while pointing out the rediculousness of the system
该赛制是个烂摊子，如果处于他们那个位置，输掉比赛能获得好处，我也会放弃掉比赛。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
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o michael
o Shanghai上海
They have played hard to get the qualification for the next round without the necessary requirement of winning the last group game . No rules are violated . If they are kicked out , what about other games in football . It is not hard to see that many teams will choose to face easier opponent . Please look at Japanese female football team , they tried to lose the game to avoid moving to another city , and relatively easier game .
For theses chinese badminton girls , they just want to keep their energy and do their best in finals , are they really wrong ?
他们很努力的比赛来获得晋级的资格，并无需赢这最后一场小组赛，没有规则被侵犯。如果他们这都被踢出去了，那么足球比赛怎么说？不难见到很多球队选择碰到弱旅。请看看日本女足，他们试着输掉一场比赛以避免去另一个城市，同时遇个容易点的对手。
对于这些中国羽毛球妹子，他们只是为了保留体力以在决赛更好表现，这也有错？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:00 a.m.
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o Joan
o California加利福尼亚
I hope I'm not the only person who thought those rascally badminton players were creating a fire hazard (based on the headline)
我希望我不是唯一认为这些无赖的羽毛球选手制造了隐患的人（根据标题）。
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o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Jay
o South Bend南本德
For an olympian, winning a gold medal, not winning every game, is his/her ultimate goal. Most accolades (along with all kinds of material rewards) are given to those who win a medal, not those who do their best to win every game. The end-result is considered the aggregate reflection of the long process including hard work and smart strategies in individual games and in the entire tournament. Top competitors in the prreliminary heats in track and swimming work in the same way the disqualified badminton players. Difference lies merely in how obvious such strategic moves look.
对于一个奥运选手，赢一块金牌，而不是赢每场比赛，是他或她的最终目标。最终的赞美都是给了那些赢得了奖牌的选手，而不是那些尽力去赢每场比赛的选手。最终的结果是包括针对每场比赛的大量的辛勤工作和战术策略制定的总体反映。赛跑和游泳预赛上的最优秀运动员与这些被取消资格的羽毛球选手采取的相同的方法，区别只是在于没这么明显。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Vexray
o Spartanburg SC斯帕坦堡SC
Why not let the four play each other ... and throw out two of them?
And then force them to play the very players they did not want to meet in the elimination round, before they can advance.
Should send a message loud and clear - throughout the games!
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Joe
o CA
The new system recently introduced at the Olympics is as much at fault as the players. The ultimate goal for a player is too reach the top, and choosing the path to the top is the right of the players, as far as they are playing within the rules. If the players can be disqualified because of this, should the officials who designed this new system be fired as well?
奥运上最近引入的新赛制对选手而言是个错误。对选手而言，最终目的是达到最高，选择什么样的路径去达到最高是选手的权利。如果选手因文中原因要被取消资格，那么设计这个赛制的官员是不是也该被开除？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o wamger
o NY纽约
BWF can announce their success of the new rule - reward the weaker player, and penalize the top players. And look at who are the weaker teams and who are the top ones? They are not stupid.
国际羽联能宣布他们的新规则成功了。奖励弱的选手，处罚最强的选手。看看谁是弱队，谁是顶级的？他们并不笨。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:48 a.m.
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o john
o wyoming怀俄明州
seemingly sad, but you really cannot blame the athletes nor their coaches. play the game by the rules and if the situation stinks it is probably the rules at fault. the final comment by the top ranked chinese player is salient. if you have never played sport at a high level then you probably do not understand the real heart of the matter
看上去挺悲伤，但你真的不能责怪运动员和教练。按照规则比赛，如果情况太恶心，那么可能是规则有错。中国的顶级选手最后的意见很突出。如果你从来没有打过高水平的比赛，你可能不会懂得这问题的核心。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
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o Z
o Guo
With the world's best players kicked out, let's watch badminton players from Canada playing against Australia! They are actually trying to defeat each other, in case you cannot tell from the television. That's what we want from Olympic spirit: "higher, faster and stronger"!
把世界最好的选手踢出去，让我们观看加拿大和澳大利亚选手的羽毛球比赛！他们实际上是在击败彼此，此时无法说，这就是我们所希望的奥林匹克精神：“更高更快更强”！
Since when does losing a battle "disqualify" one side from winning the war?
从什么时候开始，输掉一场战役就要取消赢取一场战争的资格？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
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o chankwai-choi
o sydney悉尼
If Usain Bolt , like the US athletes, were to run at 9.8s in the heat yet got thru' to the semi, 9.7s in the semifinal but still managed to get into the final, would he be disqualified with us knowing very well he had NOT given his best? It's strategy to save power in your tank to WIN in the final which is what ALL Olympians are there for in the first place, to win the war, not the battle. Some even commented Bolt STILL hadn't given his BEST in Beijing so as to allow room for himself to break his own record here in London!
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o Shean
o Atlanta亚特兰大
How do they cheat in a badminton game? They win or they lose. If they wanted to lose, it was up to them, not the umpire or the spectators. They chose their options for their own reasons. They were at the group stage? Who said they had to win every single game during group stage? They play badminton with not only their physical abilities but also their brains. When they felt they didn't need to spend extra energy, they could conserve for later, more important rounds. Moreover, when they decided to participate the olympics with injuries, the olympic spirit had already shown in them.
他们怎么在羽毛球赛上作弊了？他们赢或输。如果他们想输，那是对他们，而不是裁判员或观众。他们的选择有他们的理由。他们在小组赛？谁说他们需要赢每一场小组赛？他们玩羽毛球并不只是用身体，还需要用脑子。当他们觉得不需要花费多余的精力时，他们可以为以后更重要的比赛做留存。更何况，当他们决定带伤参加奥林匹克比赛，奥林匹克精神就已经得到了很好的体现。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o DWOtruth
o Ct
It's just a bad system; change it and you'll solve the problem. This isn't rocket science.
这是个坏的系统，更改掉将解决这些问题，这不是艰难的事儿。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o fkk501
o CT
It is time for the badminton players to form a new organization and throw out the authoritatian and anachrostic WBF. They get scant respect as players and are treated like children, being summoned and chastised despite being the world class atheltes that they are. No one paid tickets to watch the umpires - we come to admire the athletic prowess of the badminton players. Shame also to the IOC for not calling the WBF on this type of narrow-mindedness.
羽毛球选手们，是时候组个新组织，抛弃专制的落伍的国际羽联了。他们对选手缺乏尊重，像对小孩一样召唤惩罚世界级选手。没有人为观看裁判买票。我们敬佩这些英勇超凡的羽毛球运动员。为奥委会没有因国际羽联的狭隘偏执而传唤他们感到羞愧。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o Lance
o Chicago芝加哥
Hey, lets take a look these two English Olympic heroes, Bert Bushnell and DickieBurnell.I am sure they are the inventers of "deliberately trying to lose their matches" strategy. :0
嘿，让我们看看两个英国的奥运英雄，Bert Bushnell和DickieBurnell。我确定他们发明了这种故意输掉比赛的策略:0
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
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o Michael
o United States美国
This became ridiculous because both sides tried to lose. But is it any better when only one side is trying to lose (and thus shielded from being glaringly obvious)?
If pretense is wrong, then we should also penalize baseball players in the following situations:
- Pitchers throws at a hitter while pretending he just lost it.
- Runner runs wildly into second base, pretending he doesn't know how to slide properly, when his real intention is to break up a double play.
- Runner crashes into catcher at home, pretending it's a natural collision, when he is intentionally trying to jar the ball loose.
These are accepted traditions in baseball, but it is still dishonest in the pure sense. Baseball was never meant to be a contact sport, yet to this date we accept crashes at home plate as normal. As in the badmington case, only rule changes would facilitate more honest sportsmanship by taking away the incentive to pretend.
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
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W
CA
FLAG
Very true, but you have to understand these players dont make these sacrifices in game, to lose the actual game. The comparison isn't correct though as they aren't trying to lose the actual baseball game, only making play, and this is the Olympics.
Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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新闻标题：
Olympic Ideal Takes Beating In Badminton
奥林匹克理想在羽毛球上受挫
国家：美国
新闻链接：http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/0 ... g-matches.html?_r=1
龙腾地址:http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/forum.p ... id=76513&extra=
原文其实也挺中立的,比国内某些有良心的动不动丢人丢到家的媒体好太多了。回复更是理性。翻了大半部分，有空会填坑。工科男的翻译伤不起，请轻拍
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W
o CA
I think that choosing to disqualify them is best. We all know that it most likely wasn't the players choices, but their coaches and the people even above them, to carry out these strategies to play poorly on purpose. If you saw the matches, it was obvious they were doing this, as they should have been playing like some of the best in the world. We don't wish that the players have to suffer because of their coaches decisions. Its clearly not of good intentions to play your worst, to get the upper hand, and i don't think they were just saving their strength for later, and it's obvious now.
我认为，选择取消他们资格是最好的。我们都知道，执行这种消极应战的战略，这很可能不是球员的选择，而是教练甚至教练之上的人做出的。如果你看到比赛就会发现，很明显他们这样做了，他们本应该像其他最好的选手一样比赛。我们不希望因为他们教练的决定，而导致球员受到影响。以打得不好来占据上风，显然不是良好的意图，我不认为他们只是在为以后的比赛保存自己的实力，这很明显。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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o Kingofthenet
o Jersey City,NJ新泽西州 泽西城
The problem here is the rules, they reward losing. Another issue it that BOTH teams saw the value in losing, so you had the ridiculousness of TWO teams trying to 'out lose' each other.
问题在规则，输者能得到奖励。两支球队都发现了输掉比赛的价值，所以有了这荒谬的两支球队争输。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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o BL
o CA
In case you don't remember, this World Badminton Federation is the same one that insisted that all women players MUST wear skirts in 2011. It took a whole year of protests from players/fans/peopleto get them to change their mind.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport ... 626/World-badmin...
万一你不记得，世界羽联就是那个2011年坚持要求所有女选手必须穿裙子的。导致了那一整年的从选手到粉丝到人民的抗议。让他们改变主意。
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport ... 626/World-badmin...
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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o Ike E.
o MD
While what the athletes did was morally reprehensible, it is unfair to only fault them and not the system. This round robin was bound to invite this kind of strategy; I have no idea why the BWF was so appalled. It either shows a total lack of foresight or a deliberate attempt to stop the best teams from reaching the top.
Yes, the athletes should be playing their best to excite an audience, but this is certainly not the main reason for any athlete to work so hard and sacrifice so much (some injuring their bodies permanently) to reach the Olympics (especially given the many empty seats in London 2012).
The athletes worked extremely hard in order to win the competition. They would be stupid to put their best out in order to hurt their chances of winning in the end. It's an unfortunate part of strategizing to win a competition, which is part of the game.
I don't understand why people consider this cheating. Cheating is giving yourself an unfair advantage over your competitors - if at all, deliberately underperforming in a match is the opposite of cheating. As many readers pointed out, this strategy is not unique in badminton and is common in soccer, basketball, baseball, and many other sports that haven much bigger audiences and corporate sponsorship.
In my opinion, disqualifying the players was too harsh. The right course of action would've been to give them a formal warning and reprimand, and then change the rules for the next games to avoid this scenario in the future.
当运动员受到道德谴责的时候，只惩罚他们而不惩罚这个系统，这不公平。这种循环赛注定会引入这种策略；我不知道为何世界羽联会如此惊骇。这个赛制既表现得完全缺乏远见，又故意试图让最好的球队折戟在半路。
是的，运动员理因表现出最好水平来让观众兴奋，但这理所当然不是任何运动员辛苦训练牺牲巨大（很多因此给其身体造成了永久损伤）来参加奥运会的主要原因（特别是伦敦2012还有大量空座位）。
运动员极其辛苦的训练是为了比赛。猪脑才会奋力表现来博一个会让他们最后获胜机会变小的结果。赢得比赛的战略是不幸的。
我不明白为什么有人认为这是作弊？作弊是给你对竞争对手不公平的优势。如果在比赛中故意表现不佳是作弊。那么很多读者就会指出这种策略不单单存在于羽毛球比赛。在足球篮球棒球和其他很多拥有大量观众和赞助商的运动中常有出现。
在我看来，取消运动员资格太严厉了。正常的程序应该是给他们一个正式警告和申斥，同时更改接下来比赛的规则以避免这样的情况再次出现。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o BIn
o Jinan济南
I think the rusult would be different if those players were from USA or Europe.
我想如果选手是美国人或欧洲人，结果将是不同的。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o BL
o CA
The spectators who booed got their unintended consequences. Now, they get to see second ranked teams play the finals for the medals.
The 'best effort' rule applies to physical AND mental effort. And in round robin play, it is very smart to save your energy for important matches. People who compare one time events for medals (like marathons and swimming) are comparing apples and oranges. You cannot fall back in arspeed race hoping to win a medal, you will not. According to the badminton rules, you MUST because if you play the preliminaries to the max you have nothing left for the finals. Too bad for the spectators, but they should complain to the rule makers, not about smart players.
嘘他们的观众并没意识到会是如此结果。现在，他们能看到二流的球队打总决赛了。
“尽力而为”的规则适用于身体和精神的努力。在循环赛中，为重要的比赛节省体力这是非常聪明的。为奖牌不同阶段的努力是不同的（好比马拉松和游泳）。根据羽毛球规则，你如果预赛时拼尽全力，决赛时将一无所获。对现场观众而言是糟糕的，但他们应该抱怨规则的制定者，而不是聪明的球员。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o Hong Ling Jin
o Boston波士顿
The organizers made mistakes and they blamed the players for their mistakes. Do you win a gold medal after winning one badminton game? Do you win a medal after winning two games? Three games? No, the answer is that you don't win the gold medal until you win the last game, and it's the last game count.
Now use long distance running as an analogy. If you are an elite runner, but you don't try to get ahead of the pack and stay there, can people accuse you of cheating and not giving your 100% percent effort in the first K, the second K, or the third K? No, you want to preserve energy and stay steady. Maybe your teammate will be a coy to run ahead and exhaust your opponents. Is that cheating?
You don't win the gold medal for being first in the first K, the second K or the third K. You win it by being first at the end of the race. No one should force you to exert all your energy to be the first all the time. That is unreasonable. Unless race organizers make rule changes to make every single K count.
组织者的错误他们却责怪选手不对。你赢了一场羽毛球比赛后会得到一块金牌吗？你赢了两场比赛后会得到一块金牌吗？三次比赛呢？不会，答案是你知道赢得最后比赛才会获得金牌。最后一次比赛才做数。
用一个长距离赛跑作比方。如果你善于跑步，但是你没试图跑在最前面，人们能因你在第一圈，第二圈，第三圈没有尽100%努力跑步，而指控你作弊吗？不能，因为这时你希望保留体力保持稳定的状态。也许你的队友会冲到前面去让对手们精疲力竭，这是作弊吗？
你不会因为在第一圈、第二圈或第三圈领先而获得金牌，你因为在最后一圈跑在第一而赢。没有人会强迫你一开始就用尽全力，这是毫无道理的。除非赛事组织者制定规则记录每圈的排名。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
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o PC
o Brooklyn, NY纽约
Perhaps they should have similiar seeded systems like in Tennis, Volleyball, and etc where the strongest team play against the weakest team, thus eliminating them. If you are of a higher seed, you will play with a weaker team, thus giving teams an incentive to win.
也许他们应该引入类似网球排球等运动的种子选手。让最强的队伍与最弱的队伍对上，淘汰掉他们。如果你是排名更靠前的种子，你会遇上更弱的队伍，这样激励队伍去赢。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
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o Richard D. Cameron
o Wyckoff, New Jersey新泽西
The moral relativism expressed by many commentators is a metaphor for our societal problems.
很多评论员的观点都带有道德相对主义，这已经成为我们的默认的社会问题。
One and done, skip all the round-robin nonsense.跳过所有循环赛的废话。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
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o sharoom
o Chicago芝加哥
So many people are blinded by their romantic view of athletes "giving it their all" to realize that the round-robin style play implemented by the BWF to determine qualification doesn't actually reward athletes for "giving it their all." It penalizes them for it. For the Chinese badminton players, this was their situation: if you win the match, you play for gold or bronze. If you lose, you play for gold or silver. Any rule structure that allows this scenario is inherently broken. Athletes SHOULD be rewarded for giving it their all and they deserve a rule system to do this. Either redraw brackets after the preliminary rounds or play straight knockout from the start.
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:06 a.m.
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o Al K
o Monmouth Junction NJ新泽西州蒙茅斯交界处
The system is a mess if there is any advantage to losing the match. In their situation, I would have forfeited the match. That would get the match that I wanted while pointing out the rediculousness of the system
该赛制是个烂摊子，如果处于他们那个位置，输掉比赛能获得好处，我也会放弃掉比赛。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:03 a.m.
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o michael
o Shanghai上海
They have played hard to get the qualification for the next round without the necessary requirement of winning the last group game . No rules are violated . If they are kicked out , what about other games in football . It is not hard to see that many teams will choose to face easier opponent . Please look at Japanese female football team , they tried to lose the game to avoid moving to another city , and relatively easier game .
For theses chinese badminton girls , they just want to keep their energy and do their best in finals , are they really wrong ?
他们很努力的比赛来获得晋级的资格，并无需赢这最后一场小组赛，没有规则被侵犯。如果他们这都被踢出去了，那么足球比赛怎么说？不难见到很多球队选择碰到弱旅。请看看日本女足，他们试着输掉一场比赛以避免去另一个城市，同时遇个容易点的对手。
对于这些中国羽毛球妹子，他们只是为了保留体力以在决赛更好表现，这也有错？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 9:00 a.m.
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o Joan
o California加利福尼亚
I hope I'm not the only person who thought those rascally badminton players were creating a fire hazard (based on the headline)
我希望我不是唯一认为这些无赖的羽毛球选手制造了隐患的人（根据标题）。
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o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Jay
o South Bend南本德
For an olympian, winning a gold medal, not winning every game, is his/her ultimate goal. Most accolades (along with all kinds of material rewards) are given to those who win a medal, not those who do their best to win every game. The end-result is considered the aggregate reflection of the long process including hard work and smart strategies in individual games and in the entire tournament. Top competitors in the prreliminary heats in track and swimming work in the same way the disqualified badminton players. Difference lies merely in how obvious such strategic moves look.
对于一个奥运选手，赢一块金牌，而不是赢每场比赛，是他或她的最终目标。最终的赞美都是给了那些赢得了奖牌的选手，而不是那些尽力去赢每场比赛的选手。最终的结果是包括针对每场比赛的大量的辛勤工作和战术策略制定的总体反映。赛跑和游泳预赛上的最优秀运动员与这些被取消资格的羽毛球选手采取的相同的方法，区别只是在于没这么明显。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Vexray
o Spartanburg SC斯帕坦堡SC
Why not let the four play each other ... and throw out two of them?
And then force them to play the very players they did not want to meet in the elimination round, before they can advance.
Should send a message loud and clear - throughout the games!
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o Joe
o CA
The new system recently introduced at the Olympics is as much at fault as the players. The ultimate goal for a player is too reach the top, and choosing the path to the top is the right of the players, as far as they are playing within the rules. If the players can be disqualified because of this, should the officials who designed this new system be fired as well?
奥运上最近引入的新赛制对选手而言是个错误。对选手而言，最终目的是达到最高，选择什么样的路径去达到最高是选手的权利。如果选手因文中原因要被取消资格，那么设计这个赛制的官员是不是也该被开除？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
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o wamger
o NY纽约
BWF can announce their success of the new rule - reward the weaker player, and penalize the top players. And look at who are the weaker teams and who are the top ones? They are not stupid.
国际羽联能宣布他们的新规则成功了。奖励弱的选手，处罚最强的选手。看看谁是弱队，谁是顶级的？他们并不笨。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:48 a.m.
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o john
o wyoming怀俄明州
seemingly sad, but you really cannot blame the athletes nor their coaches. play the game by the rules and if the situation stinks it is probably the rules at fault. the final comment by the top ranked chinese player is salient. if you have never played sport at a high level then you probably do not understand the real heart of the matter
看上去挺悲伤，但你真的不能责怪运动员和教练。按照规则比赛，如果情况太恶心，那么可能是规则有错。中国的顶级选手最后的意见很突出。如果你从来没有打过高水平的比赛，你可能不会懂得这问题的核心。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
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o Z
o Guo
With the world's best players kicked out, let's watch badminton players from Canada playing against Australia! They are actually trying to defeat each other, in case you cannot tell from the television. That's what we want from Olympic spirit: "higher, faster and stronger"!
把世界最好的选手踢出去，让我们观看加拿大和澳大利亚选手的羽毛球比赛！他们实际上是在击败彼此，此时无法说，这就是我们所希望的奥林匹克精神：“更高更快更强”！
Since when does losing a battle "disqualify" one side from winning the war?
从什么时候开始，输掉一场战役就要取消赢取一场战争的资格？
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
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o chankwai-choi
o sydney悉尼
If Usain Bolt , like the US athletes, were to run at 9.8s in the heat yet got thru' to the semi, 9.7s in the semifinal but still managed to get into the final, would he be disqualified with us knowing very well he had NOT given his best? It's strategy to save power in your tank to WIN in the final which is what ALL Olympians are there for in the first place, to win the war, not the battle. Some even commented Bolt STILL hadn't given his BEST in Beijing so as to allow room for himself to break his own record here in London!
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o Shean
o Atlanta亚特兰大
How do they cheat in a badminton game? They win or they lose. If they wanted to lose, it was up to them, not the umpire or the spectators. They chose their options for their own reasons. They were at the group stage? Who said they had to win every single game during group stage? They play badminton with not only their physical abilities but also their brains. When they felt they didn't need to spend extra energy, they could conserve for later, more important rounds. Moreover, when they decided to participate the olympics with injuries, the olympic spirit had already shown in them.
他们怎么在羽毛球赛上作弊了？他们赢或输。如果他们想输，那是对他们，而不是裁判员或观众。他们的选择有他们的理由。他们在小组赛？谁说他们需要赢每一场小组赛？他们玩羽毛球并不只是用身体，还需要用脑子。当他们觉得不需要花费多余的精力时，他们可以为以后更重要的比赛做留存。更何况，当他们决定带伤参加奥林匹克比赛，奥林匹克精神就已经得到了很好的体现。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o DWOtruth
o Ct
It's just a bad system; change it and you'll solve the problem. This isn't rocket science.
这是个坏的系统，更改掉将解决这些问题，这不是艰难的事儿。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o fkk501
o CT
It is time for the badminton players to form a new organization and throw out the authoritatian and anachrostic WBF. They get scant respect as players and are treated like children, being summoned and chastised despite being the world class atheltes that they are. No one paid tickets to watch the umpires - we come to admire the athletic prowess of the badminton players. Shame also to the IOC for not calling the WBF on this type of narrow-mindedness.
羽毛球选手们，是时候组个新组织，抛弃专制的落伍的国际羽联了。他们对选手缺乏尊重，像对小孩一样召唤惩罚世界级选手。没有人为观看裁判买票。我们敬佩这些英勇超凡的羽毛球运动员。为奥委会没有因国际羽联的狭隘偏执而传唤他们感到羞愧。
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
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o Lance
o Chicago芝加哥
Hey, lets take a look these two English Olympic heroes, Bert Bushnell and DickieBurnell.I am sure they are the inventers of "deliberately trying to lose their matches" strategy. :0
嘿，让我们看看两个英国的奥运英雄，Bert Bushnell和DickieBurnell。我确定他们发明了这种故意输掉比赛的策略:0
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
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o Michael
o United States美国
This became ridiculous because both sides tried to lose. But is it any better when only one side is trying to lose (and thus shielded from being glaringly obvious)?
If pretense is wrong, then we should also penalize baseball players in the following situations:
- Pitchers throws at a hitter while pretending he just lost it.
- Runner runs wildly into second base, pretending he doesn't know how to slide properly, when his real intention is to break up a double play.
- Runner crashes into catcher at home, pretending it's a natural collision, when he is intentionally trying to jar the ball loose.
These are accepted traditions in baseball, but it is still dishonest in the pure sense. Baseball was never meant to be a contact sport, yet to this date we accept crashes at home plate as normal. As in the badmington case, only rule changes would facilitate more honest sportsmanship by taking away the incentive to pretend.
o Aug. 2, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
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W
CA
FLAG
Very true, but you have to understand these players dont make these sacrifices in game, to lose the actual game. The comparison isn't correct though as they aren't trying to lose the actual baseball game, only making play, and this is the Olympics.
Aug. 2, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
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很不错，不过有些地方翻译的不是很好。看E文原文就很清楚。
mivy 发表于 2012-8-2 16:41 ![]()
很不错，不过有些地方翻译的不是很好。看E文原文就很清楚。
能力有限,翻得也很仓促,很多地方看懂了但卡着一时没想好如何换成中文表达出来,就自己组织语言表达个大概意思了.
很不错，不过有些地方翻译的不是很好。看E文原文就很清楚。
能力有限,翻得也很仓促,很多地方看懂了但卡着一时没想好如何换成中文表达出来,就自己组织语言表达个大概意思了.
逍遥虫虫 发表于 2012-8-2 16:46 ![]()
能力有限,翻得也很仓促,很多地方看懂了但卡着一时没想好如何换成中文表达出来,就自己组织语言表达个大概意 ...
已经很不错了，楼主。:handshake
能力有限,翻得也很仓促,很多地方看懂了但卡着一时没想好如何换成中文表达出来,就自己组织语言表达个大概意 ...
已经很不错了，楼主。:handshake
mivy 发表于 2012-8-2 16:48 ![]()
已经很不错了，楼主。
谢谢支持
已经很不错了，楼主。
谢谢支持看来老外明事理的都不少啊
反而是自己同胞却朝自己人开火，早上一到公司就有人在公司群里说丢人，结果一个人在公司群里面和所有同事辩论，不过感谢cder，copy了你们很多的观点，要不一个人还真不是几十个人的对手
反而是自己同胞却朝自己人开火，早上一到公司就有人在公司群里说丢人，结果一个人在公司群里面和所有同事辩论，不过感谢cder，copy了你们很多的观点，要不一个人还真不是几十个人的对手
居然是自己人胳膊肘朝外拐，外人来主持公道！
怪不得张嘎子要“瞄了一个准儿，打死个翻译官”！
怪不得张嘎子要“瞄了一个准儿，打死个翻译官”！
out慢 发表于 2012-8-2 17:07 ![]()
居然是自己人胳膊肘朝外拐，外人来主持公道！
怪不得张嘎子要“瞄了一个准儿，打死个翻译官”！
楼主这次也中枪了， 人家楼主这次好不容易当了回翻译官， 结果就是个杯具。
居然是自己人胳膊肘朝外拐，外人来主持公道！
怪不得张嘎子要“瞄了一个准儿，打死个翻译官”！
楼主这次也中枪了， 人家楼主这次好不容易当了回翻译官， 结果就是个杯具。
比起某些有态度的国家通讯社，确实高出一大截。
有个故事：
皇帝问大臣，金钱和道义，二选一，选啥？
大臣说，选钱。
皇帝大笑说，你真是贪心，换我是选道义的。
大臣说，臣是因为缺钱而选钱。
某通讯社可以好好读读再出来对运动员挥道德大棒。
有个故事：
皇帝问大臣，金钱和道义，二选一，选啥？
大臣说，选钱。
皇帝大笑说，你真是贪心，换我是选道义的。
大臣说，臣是因为缺钱而选钱。
某通讯社可以好好读读再出来对运动员挥道德大棒。
乱雪穿空 发表于 2012-8-2 17:12 ![]()
楼主这次也中枪了， 人家楼主这次好不容易当了回翻译官， 结果就是个杯具。
此翻译官非彼翻译官也:D
楼主这次也中枪了， 人家楼主这次好不容易当了回翻译官， 结果就是个杯具。
此翻译官非彼翻译官也:D
这种现象比比皆是，这种现象公认是合理的。最典型的就是足球的小组赛的时候！
其实，即使在乒乓球、羽毛球，如果一局比分大幅度落后于对手，这时选择草草了结本局比赛把体力、精力用于下一局，也是非常常见的选择。并没有哪个“规则”要求这些乒乓球、羽毛球选手必须每分必争、每分都要尽全力去争胜，否则就是“消极比赛”，就是违背体育道德与“规则”对不起观众对不起爹妈
其实，即使在乒乓球、羽毛球，如果一局比分大幅度落后于对手，这时选择草草了结本局比赛把体力、精力用于下一局，也是非常常见的选择。并没有哪个“规则”要求这些乒乓球、羽毛球选手必须每分必争、每分都要尽全力去争胜，否则就是“消极比赛”，就是违背体育道德与“规则”对不起观众对不起爹妈
我们的媒体官大人一出事，就把责任全归咎到运动员身上，保全自己的面子。
说句实话，我不会在支持中国代表团，但我会支持每个中国运动员，不包括李娜！
说句实话，我不会在支持中国代表团，但我会支持每个中国运动员，不包括李娜！
本届奥运会大面积的用政治干预体育，确实是奥林匹克理想的大失败。
hu_bird 发表于 2012-8-2 16:58 ![]()
看来老外明事理的都不少啊
反而是自己同胞却朝自己人开火，早上一到公司就有人在公司群里说丢人，结果一个 ...
舌战群儒的结果如何？
看来老外明事理的都不少啊
反而是自己同胞却朝自己人开火，早上一到公司就有人在公司群里说丢人，结果一个 ...
舌战群儒的结果如何？
这种坏的、无效的体制最终只会导致奥运会羽毛球比赛水平降低，这种模式再来一次运动员们还会继续打假球，只不过会更加隐蔽而已。
转一篇更不要脸的文章给大家现现眼……
http://www.caijing.com.cn/2012-08-02/111988452.html
“以举国之力，对奥运金牌进行掠夺。”
这种WBD言论真不是一般物种能说得出来的！！
http://www.caijing.com.cn/2012-08-02/111988452.html
“以举国之力，对奥运金牌进行掠夺。”
这种WBD言论真不是一般物种能说得出来的！！
某些媒体太让人失望了。。。
看来我应该懂得了美国体育发达的原因了，因为群众和观众懂得竞技体育的真谛。先有一个好的竞赛体制，才能保证每个运动员保持一个进取的态度。
我周围也有批评选手的人，但我不想责怪他们。。因为他们开始并不了解输球现象的背后是赛制问题，经过争辩他们明白了以后也表示同情。。。
我在想一个问题：如果我骂他们是“汉奸””卖国贼”“胳膊肘往外拐”什么的，是不是也犯了和他们同样的错误，即没有搞清楚事情真相就去责怪别人。。
我在想一个问题：如果我骂他们是“汉奸””卖国贼”“胳膊肘往外拐”什么的，是不是也犯了和他们同样的错误，即没有搞清楚事情真相就去责怪别人。。
日全食 发表于 2012-8-2 19:05 ![]()
转一篇更不要脸的文章给大家现现眼……
http://www.caijing.com.cn/2012-08-02/111988452.html
奇葩的比这多的是 这几天看的都麻木了
转一篇更不要脸的文章给大家现现眼……
http://www.caijing.com.cn/2012-08-02/111988452.html
奇葩的比这多的是 这几天看的都麻木了
美国体育强大是有道理的，有懂运动理解运动员的人支持着，相比国内某些媒体要面子不要脸，尽做落井下石之事。
美国体育强大是有道理的，有懂运动理解运动员的人支持着，相比国内某些媒体要面子不要脸，尽做落井下石之事。
多谢楼主，这样的声音在国内太少了。
bjkk 发表于 2012-8-2 23:21 ![]()
多谢楼主，这样的声音在国内太少了。
这样的声音在CD就不少
多谢楼主，这样的声音在国内太少了。
这样的声音在CD就不少