印度新德里电视网:印度拒绝美国对付中国的计划

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印度新德里电视网:印度拒绝美国对付中国的计划印度没有答应美国签署双方的后勤支援(LSA),通信互操作(CISMOA)和基本交流与合作协议(BECA)签署协议



New Delhi: Concerned that the new-found US focus on Asia will lead to greater militarization in its immediate neighbourhood, specially the Bay of Bengal region, India today politely, but firmly, told US secretary of Defence Lean Panetta that there is a need to re-calibrate and rethink the just announced US Asia- Pacific policy.

The new US policy called 'Rebalancing of Military Strategy with focus on Asia-Pacific' envisages major changes in deployment and proposes that at least 60 per cent of US Naval assets would be deployed in Asia-Pacific.

India's western sea board and Arabian Sea has perhaps the highest number of warships deployed at a given time. Warships from countries, as varied as Iran, France UK, US, China and India, are all deployed in the Arabian Sea. The Eastern sea board of China already has a port in Hangyyi in Myanmar while US has south berthing rights in Chittagong Port, India has a massive presence in the Andaman Nicober Islands. The new US focus and presence of more US warships in the Eastern sea board, India fears will lead to more militarization.

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Clearly, India's stand shows that it doesn't share the American perception of the Asia-Pacific region entirely, and would prefer the company and presence of countries likes Vietnam, Philippines and others to be involved when solution to the South-China sea issue is worked out. In the hour-long meeting between the Defence Minister A K Antony and Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta India 'emphasized' the need to take the relationship beyond "buyer-seller transaction", a senior MoD official said. India wants US to focus on technology transfer and a strong partnership "to build indigenous capabilities." India is likely to buy ultra-light howitzer and attack helicopters from US.

There was, however, complete convergence of view between the two heavy weights on Pakistan and AF-Pak region. Sources tell NDTV that the US expressed deep concern over the worsening situation in AF-Pak region and the support that the Haqqani network continues to receive from Pakistan.
US wants India to deepen its engagement in Afghanistan. India now trains about 1000 officers of Aghan National Army and other security establishment. Although Afghanistan has sought weapons and equipments from India, including tanks, India hasn't yet taken a decision on whether or not to supply and equip the Afghan Army. In today's meeting India and US discussed the possible situation in Afghanistan after December 2014, when the US-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) forces withdraws from Afghanistan.

Interestingly, US didn't raise the issue of India dragging its feet on signing agreements like the Logistic Supply Agreement (LSA), the Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA).

India doesn't want to sign any of these agreements as it would bind them to give logistic support to the US fleet and troops, and on the other hand CISMOA will force India to share certain critical communication codes with the US. For the last seven years India has maintained that it is 'studying' the agreements and hasn't come to any conclusion. Clearly, US doesn't pin much hope on India coming on board on these issues and is now willing to put these issues aside and work with India.

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New Delhi: Concerned that the new-found US focus on Asia will lead to greater militarization in its immediate neighbourhood, specially the Bay of Bengal region, India today politely, but firmly, told US secretary of Defence Lean Panetta that there is a need to re-calibrate and rethink the just announced US Asia- Pacific policy.

The new US policy called 'Rebalancing of Military Strategy with focus on Asia-Pacific' envisages major changes in deployment and proposes that at least 60 per cent of US Naval assets would be deployed in Asia-Pacific.

India's western sea board and Arabian Sea has perhaps the highest number of warships deployed at a given time. Warships from countries, as varied as Iran, France UK, US, China and India, are all deployed in the Arabian Sea. The Eastern sea board of China already has a port in Hangyyi in Myanmar while US has south berthing rights in Chittagong Port, India has a massive presence in the Andaman Nicober Islands. The new US focus and presence of more US warships in the Eastern sea board, India fears will lead to more militarization.

Also Read
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Leon Panetta meets AK Antony; China, Af-Pak discussed
Also See
15:39India, US natural allies: Panetta
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Clearly, India's stand shows that it doesn't share the American perception of the Asia-Pacific region entirely, and would prefer the company and presence of countries likes Vietnam, Philippines and others to be involved when solution to the South-China sea issue is worked out. In the hour-long meeting between the Defence Minister A K Antony and Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta India 'emphasized' the need to take the relationship beyond "buyer-seller transaction", a senior MoD official said. India wants US to focus on technology transfer and a strong partnership "to build indigenous capabilities." India is likely to buy ultra-light howitzer and attack helicopters from US.

There was, however, complete convergence of view between the two heavy weights on Pakistan and AF-Pak region. Sources tell NDTV that the US expressed deep concern over the worsening situation in AF-Pak region and the support that the Haqqani network continues to receive from Pakistan.
US wants India to deepen its engagement in Afghanistan. India now trains about 1000 officers of Aghan National Army and other security establishment. Although Afghanistan has sought weapons and equipments from India, including tanks, India hasn't yet taken a decision on whether or not to supply and equip the Afghan Army. In today's meeting India and US discussed the possible situation in Afghanistan after December 2014, when the US-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) forces withdraws from Afghanistan.

Interestingly, US didn't raise the issue of India dragging its feet on signing agreements like the Logistic Supply Agreement (LSA), the Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA).

India doesn't want to sign any of these agreements as it would bind them to give logistic support to the US fleet and troops, and on the other hand CISMOA will force India to share certain critical communication codes with the US. For the last seven years India has maintained that it is 'studying' the agreements and hasn't come to any conclusion. Clearly, US doesn't pin much hope on India coming on board on these issues and is now willing to put these issues aside and work with India.

For NDTV Updates, follow us on Twitter , Facebook , Google+ and Pinterest Story first published: June 06, 2012 16:20 ISTTags: Leon Panetta, South China Sea





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ccav4今晚提到了。
分析说说阿三是个很奇怪的国家,不结盟有点清高,对他好他冷淡,对他不好他却很亲热。
没有签署协议说是阿三不屑做偏房
20亿美元的武器,布置在藏南,对于印度藏南战斗力有很大提升。
再平衡。意思是两边都平衡。
中美关系事实上就是零和
王港 发表于 2012-6-6 19:02
ccav4今晚提到了。
分析说说阿三是个很奇怪的国家,不结盟有点清高,对他好他冷淡,对他不好他却很亲热。
...
没什么奇怪的,这说明了印度不想当美国的打手而已。

当年80年代美国有过帮助中国对付苏联的计划
全面的以北约标准换装PLA,美军的F15直接进驻黄河一线,

当年TG也没答应
王港 发表于 2012-6-7 02:02
ccav4今晚提到了。
分析说说阿三是个很奇怪的国家,不结盟有点清高,对他好他冷淡,对他不好他却很亲热。
...
“20亿美元的武器,布置在藏南,对于印度藏南战斗力有很大提升。”

我觉得没有经过战术演练、配合的武器,是没有办法发挥实际威力的,况且我对三哥能不能看懂操作手册抱持健康积极的怀疑态度。没准三哥刚接手,扭头就找兔子边防换烟抽、租手机打电话也说不定~
印度人不是奴性很重么, 这回送到口的肥肉怎么不要?
最关键是印度人口,只要印度要达到中产的生活水平,未来15亿人口消耗资源。必然和美国有冲突。
地球只有这么大。15亿人,美国养不起,中印俄在未来必然抱团。印度的15亿人口,对美国来说无解
MD给的糖还不够。
三哥虽然二,经常做些搞笑的事情,但是不傻
他跟中国的差距靠美国给个几十亿的援助根本无助于事
但是拿了钱就失去了战略自主,必须绑在美国战车上,战场就是自己的国土,SB才会干这种事
几十亿对三哥这种大国就是个屁,自己家挤一挤就有了
当然,如果美国肯出个几千亿,估计三哥还是会动心的
不过这样美国又不肯了
阿帕奇对我们的装甲部队威胁很大
天燕对长弓的威胁更大。
h-man2002 发表于 2012-6-7 02:27
没什么奇怪的,这说明了印度不想当美国的打手而已。

当年80年代美国有过帮助中国对付苏联的计划
那时PLA的人数可比现在多多了,要是按照北约标准重新武装,美国恐怕也掏不起这个钱吧?而且美国就不怕TG反悔对付自己?估计忽悠人的居多
印度每次都是打着对付中国的旗号向西方买东西,可买回来以后就拿去欺负巴斯斯坦.
印度要做有声有色的大国。
nowaiwai 发表于 2012-6-6 20:01
那时PLA的人数可比现在多多了,要是按照北约标准重新武装,美国恐怕也掏不起这个钱吧?而且美国就不怕TG反 ...
倒不是,当年MD可是真心的想对付苏联

当然了,他不会北约化所有PLA的,他只要北约化足够能在东亚方向顶住第一波苏军攻击的PLA就够了。
阿三是对付绿化东进的重要桥头堡。
h-man2002 发表于 2012-6-7 03:17
倒不是,当年MD可是真心的想对付苏联

当然了,他不会北约化所有PLA的,他只要北约化足够能在东亚方向顶 ...
50年代部分兵力顶得住联合国,80年代本土作战能顶不住苏联?
哪怕是北京暂时丢了,内陆也够拖苏联的,也不会影响到美国。
另外北京都丢了,能保证兔子不在自己国土上用核武器?

驻军是有可能提到的,换装就算了。有那个钱先把欧洲坦克换了。
80年代美国和苏联的军费是一样的。1000亿美金。要用钱的地方多了去了。给PLA换装,要是反水整个东亚不全贵共产主义了?
美国,兔子,巴巴羊搞阿富汗,美国一共就出了10亿。有一部电影就是讲这个的。苏联在阿富汗上面损失了200亿直接军费和无数间接军费死了15000人。美国是在算成本,不要以为美国钱就多的满天飞。

niubaobao 发表于 2012-6-6 21:16
50年代部分兵力顶得住联合国,80年代本土作战能顶不住苏联?
哪怕是北京暂时丢了,内陆也够拖苏联的,也 ...


装备又不是直接送

开放中国市场,让中国进入金融贸易体系
然后,自然是让中国人以自己的钱买装备,当然打折价北约内部价还是可以的
也不完全要达到MD自己的水准,能在中国北部局部达到欧洲一小半的水准就够了。
中国PLA作为第一波炮灰防线,美军直接驻扎黄河第二线。当年美军想在中原建立空军基地那绝不是YY,人家真真正正的想过

驻军那是当然的,以中国的地理位置抵挡苏联,比呆在韩国日本强多了

还有TG50年代在朝鲜那么狭窄的地方阻挡MD,那和80年代在三北那么宽阔的地方阻挡苏修完全是两回事。
niubaobao 发表于 2012-6-6 21:16
50年代部分兵力顶得住联合国,80年代本土作战能顶不住苏联?
哪怕是北京暂时丢了,内陆也够拖苏联的,也 ...


装备又不是直接送

开放中国市场,让中国进入金融贸易体系
然后,自然是让中国人以自己的钱买装备,当然打折价北约内部价还是可以的
也不完全要达到MD自己的水准,能在中国北部局部达到欧洲一小半的水准就够了。
中国PLA作为第一波炮灰防线,美军直接驻扎黄河第二线。当年美军想在中原建立空军基地那绝不是YY,人家真真正正的想过

驻军那是当然的,以中国的地理位置抵挡苏联,比呆在韩国日本强多了

还有TG50年代在朝鲜那么狭窄的地方阻挡MD,那和80年代在三北那么宽阔的地方阻挡苏修完全是两回事。
niubaobao 发表于 2012-6-6 21:16
50年代部分兵力顶得住联合国,80年代本土作战能顶不住苏联?
哪怕是北京暂时丢了,内陆也够拖苏联的,也 ...
中国再反水

越南都打了,投名状都交了
反,往哪里反??
mil-spec 发表于 2012-6-7 02:33
印度人不是奴性很重么, 这回送到口的肥肉怎么不要?
估计3哥说,要我干兔子可以,先让我移民你家3个亿
h-man2002 发表于 2012-6-7 04:26
装备又不是直接送

开放中国市场,让中国进入金融贸易体系
朋友,那个时候刚刚建交没几年。还打着共产注意旗帜呢。
改革开放还是90年代的事情。80年代初期,有谁听过要开放市场,融入啥体系? 文革才刚刚完,开放市场干嘛?生产力都没有,还是计划经济。进入金融体系是什么意思?
美军到黄河第二线驻军干嘛,韩国不是有飞机嘛,飞到北京还近。
美国就盼着苏联进来呢,最好坦克全中国开。欧洲线苏联一松就乱。
80年代中国人口都快10亿了,工业也有一些小基础,弄个反坦克炮,保证有枪不是问题了。
中国已经帮西方顶住了东线压力,北边拉住苏联军队,南边越南,西南面阿富汗。
美国只要关系欧洲和中东方向。
驻军美国是愿意的,驻军是最不花钱的,可多可少看自己心情。对中国有实际意义嘛?顶不住的才让美国驻军买个心里安慰加点威慑筹码。这个根本算不上讨论,反正100句有利自己的话全说光了,让对方挑。
h-man2002 发表于 2012-6-7 04:27
中国再反水

越南都打了,投名状都交了
打越南怎么就成了交投名状?
pheonetix 发表于 2012-6-6 21:54
打越南怎么就成了交投名状?
同一件事,从不同的角度看问题就会看出不同的结果
哪怕开始你不是这个意思,结果往往都会偏离你的想法

79年的的越南战争,无论TG开始是怎么想或又有什么目的的。结果在国际政坛上就是TG彻底背叛东方阵营并西方招手的投名状。
印度也想玩独立自主的政策。印度拒绝美国也是为了自己的国家利益而已。
印度不想给美帝当枪使。
不论印度怎么欢乐,至少还是有雄心的,要么无声无息,要么做有声有色的大国,和美国合作也是有自己底线的,才不屑于象日韩那样做美国的狗
享受好处,拒绝弊端。
三哥虽然二,经常做些搞笑的事情,但是不傻  他跟中国的差距靠美国给个几十亿的援助根本无助于事  但是拿了 ...
话说三哥在大是大非的问题上基本还是能保持一颗纯真滴心
好处太少
印度人还不是真傻。
利益最大化而已
印度不傻,只是从前的小聪明害了自己,如今领悟到一些了,算是好事。
话说印度虽然二,大是大非倒是很清楚
三哥虽然二,经常做些搞笑的事情,但是不傻
他跟中国的差距靠美国给个几十亿的援助根本无助于事
但是拿了 ...
分析得有道理。我同意楼主的意见。
三哥虽然二,经常做些搞笑的事情,但是不傻
他跟中国的差距靠美国给个几十亿的援助根本无助于事
但是拿了 ...
分析得有道理。我同意楼主的意见。
印度虽然没什么沙漠 耕地面积比例高 但是总量并不比
TG多多少,在不计划计划,怎么养人 靠对外掠夺?
同一件事,从不同的角度看问题就会看出不同的结果
哪怕开始你不是这个意思,结果往往都会偏离你的想法
...
东方阵营??
印度的目标是超级大国,和美国迟早会冲突的。
如果印度不肯就范,美国说不定会联合兔子搞掉阿三也未可知。