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这个是俄钢铁研究院的Valery Grogoryan院士在Military Parade杂志2011年第五期上面发表的文章。


经过俄国网友整理翻译成英文。


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for example, penetration ability of the apds of the tank guns of the abrams m1 tank modifications is growing approximately according to the linear law with a factor of proportionality of about 35 mm per year.




看到这里,是不是真的料敌从宽?
  


MD的基于M1坦克改型的脱穿弹穿甲性能每年增长35mm。  




这个数的增长看着很厉害。   做装甲材料和结构怎么搞 ?



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Relikt complex is a reliable protection

仙人掌(爆反)防护系统是一种可靠的防护装甲


Valery Grogoryan Military Parade, no. 5, 2011  --发表于大阅兵杂志2011年第五期


Valery Grogoryan - president, science director for jsc nii stali (research institute of steel), phd (technical science), professor, rasra academician

俄钢铁院的一把手, 钢铁院技术一把手, 科学技术博士, 教授, 院士。



At present, the armor protection of even most advanced domestic tanks of type t-90 against high explosive antitank (heat) and armor-piercing discarding sabot (apds) projectiles needs improvement. It follows from the expert evaluations of the most representative antitank projectiles and antitank guided missiles (atgm) that, for example, penetration ability of the apds of the tank guns of the abrams m1 tank modifications is growing approximately according to the linear law with a factor of proportionality of about 35 mm per year. As regards the heat guided missiles, then alongside with the growth of the penetration ability of the warheads (wh) due to the increase in caliber, power of explosive charges and use of the precision technologies for manufacture of the warheads, a qualitative change in the principle of influence on the armor protection takes place. Specifically, we can see a transfer to the tandem warheads capable of destroying the reactive armor of the first generations, expansion of the delay time between operation of the main and auxiliary warheads, improvement of their effectiveness thanks to the scheme contrivances of different kinds, etc.


It is quite obvious that to maintain parity, we should find an adequate answer to improve for the armor protection of the domestic tanks.

The necessity of the urgent retaliatory steps to improve armor protection of the domestic tanks is also dictated by its higher role in the local conflicts where probability of use of the close combat weapons such as a handheld grenade launcher (rpg) with the heat grenades against the thin-armored side projections of the tank abruptly increases.

The specialists of the research institute were tasked to develop the appropriate armor protection complex. As a result, the relikt complex of the frontal armor protection was developed and entered service. Also developed were the reactive-armor special modules which were initially developed to protect the thin-armored bmp-3 infantry combat vehicles against rpg, and which well protect the side projections of the hull and turret of the tank against the widespread close combat weapons of type pg-9s.

The rear section of the hull (in the area of the engine compartment) and the turret is covered by the latticed screens to reduce by more than a half probability of an explosive jet from the shaped charge cone of the warhead of the antitank grenade launcher due to the violation of the normal operation of the warhead in case of a hit between the ribs of the screen.

Both complexes are principally new. thus, the relikt complex employs a 4s23 element of reactive armor (ra) of high sensitivity and modern, more effective, propelling scheme where destructive and destabilizing influence on the ammunition striking elements (explosive jet, apds rod) prevails relative to the thick armor plates propelled in opposite sides. In this case, the dominant contribution to the said destructive effect is made by the plate propelled in pursuit. Owing to fact that energetically a in-pursuit propelling is more advisable than an on-head propelling, the structures of such kind are more proof (in 4 to 5 times) against the apds as compared with the kontakt-v ra series complex. At the same time we can see that the anti-tandem properties of such armor essentially increase, i.e. Armor acquires better proofness against the most advanced tandem antitank guided missiles of type tow-2a with a delay time of at least 400 us and with the penetration ability behind the mounted shape-charge-proof reactive armor of at least 1,000 mm.

Thus, the use of relikt on the domestic tanks is a meaningful step of protection of the domestic tanks against the majority advanced antitank traverse weapons designed to destroy a tank from the front.

According to the estimates of the specialists they expressed at the exhibition at nizhni tagil, relikt developed by the research institute of steel is an adequate answer to the advanced antitank weapons. Today, it is one of the best armor protection complexes for the armor materiel and possibility of its installation both on the new, upgraded and being in-service tanks makes relikt really unique.

Protection of the tank side projections against the heat grenades was borrowed from the technical solutions developed for the light-weight vehicles. As applied to the protection of such light-weight vehicles, the solution of the task was drastically more difficult because of several limitations:

- it was necessary to initiate the explosives and dispersion of plates so as to prevent their destructive effects on a relatively thin principal armor;

- it was necessary to prevent transfer of detonation from the ra element initiating under the action of the explosive jet of the charge to the entire volume of their block;

- if possible, localize the area of damage by limiting it by the area of one or two modules;

- make the protective modules universal, bearing in mind simultaneous reinforcement of protection against the kinematic weapons such as bullets of up to 14.5 mm in caliber and the projectiles to the small-caliber guns.

The whole complex of the tasks listed above was solved in no small measure due to the development and acceptance for operational service of the ra element (index 4s24) with twice as little amount of explosive as indexes 4s20 and 4s22. This drastically increased, without reducing the effectiveness of the jet suppression, the design survivability when attacked by fire and practically eliminated flam-mability both of the ra elements themselves and of the modules on the whole that was a problem with the previous ra elements of type 4s20.

It should also be specially underlined that when mastering this complex, a very complicated task was solved to delay a leading portion of jet that by virtue of a certain inertial dispersion of the ra plates (especially when propelled in pursuit) had time to "slip" having at the same time a rather high penetration ability of at least one caliber of the warhead for a relatively thin principal armor.

It should be also noted that relikt allows installation on the tank of a stealth complex against precision weapons. The main component of this complex is a set of the nakidka anti-radar multi-spectral composite material widely tested and well-proved.

Even a simple visual inspection of the vehicles shows that percentage of the so-called weak zones was essentially reduced.

If we take into account that all the represented protection complexes were only a part of the amazing work on deep upgrade of the t-90 tank that has been performed by the uralvagonzavod practically for all aspects related to the improvement of the vehicle combat effectiveness, then we may draw a conclusion that both our army and the foreign partners in the event they buy such vehicle will obtain one of the world's best tanks capable of standing up to the today's threats.

However, the potential of growth both of protection and of the other combat properties of the vehicle have many latent reserves.

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这个是俄钢铁研究院的Valery Grogoryan院士在Military Parade杂志2011年第五期上面发表的文章。


经过俄国网友整理翻译成英文。


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for example, penetration ability of the apds of the tank guns of the abrams m1 tank modifications is growing approximately according to the linear law with a factor of proportionality of about 35 mm per year.




看到这里,是不是真的料敌从宽?
  


MD的基于M1坦克改型的脱穿弹穿甲性能每年增长35mm。  




这个数的增长看着很厉害。   做装甲材料和结构怎么搞 ?



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Relikt complex is a reliable protection

仙人掌(爆反)防护系统是一种可靠的防护装甲


Valery Grogoryan Military Parade, no. 5, 2011  --发表于大阅兵杂志2011年第五期


Valery Grogoryan - president, science director for jsc nii stali (research institute of steel), phd (technical science), professor, rasra academician

俄钢铁院的一把手, 钢铁院技术一把手, 科学技术博士, 教授, 院士。



At present, the armor protection of even most advanced domestic tanks of type t-90 against high explosive antitank (heat) and armor-piercing discarding sabot (apds) projectiles needs improvement. It follows from the expert evaluations of the most representative antitank projectiles and antitank guided missiles (atgm) that, for example, penetration ability of the apds of the tank guns of the abrams m1 tank modifications is growing approximately according to the linear law with a factor of proportionality of about 35 mm per year. As regards the heat guided missiles, then alongside with the growth of the penetration ability of the warheads (wh) due to the increase in caliber, power of explosive charges and use of the precision technologies for manufacture of the warheads, a qualitative change in the principle of influence on the armor protection takes place. Specifically, we can see a transfer to the tandem warheads capable of destroying the reactive armor of the first generations, expansion of the delay time between operation of the main and auxiliary warheads, improvement of their effectiveness thanks to the scheme contrivances of different kinds, etc.


It is quite obvious that to maintain parity, we should find an adequate answer to improve for the armor protection of the domestic tanks.

The necessity of the urgent retaliatory steps to improve armor protection of the domestic tanks is also dictated by its higher role in the local conflicts where probability of use of the close combat weapons such as a handheld grenade launcher (rpg) with the heat grenades against the thin-armored side projections of the tank abruptly increases.

The specialists of the research institute were tasked to develop the appropriate armor protection complex. As a result, the relikt complex of the frontal armor protection was developed and entered service. Also developed were the reactive-armor special modules which were initially developed to protect the thin-armored bmp-3 infantry combat vehicles against rpg, and which well protect the side projections of the hull and turret of the tank against the widespread close combat weapons of type pg-9s.

The rear section of the hull (in the area of the engine compartment) and the turret is covered by the latticed screens to reduce by more than a half probability of an explosive jet from the shaped charge cone of the warhead of the antitank grenade launcher due to the violation of the normal operation of the warhead in case of a hit between the ribs of the screen.

Both complexes are principally new. thus, the relikt complex employs a 4s23 element of reactive armor (ra) of high sensitivity and modern, more effective, propelling scheme where destructive and destabilizing influence on the ammunition striking elements (explosive jet, apds rod) prevails relative to the thick armor plates propelled in opposite sides. In this case, the dominant contribution to the said destructive effect is made by the plate propelled in pursuit. Owing to fact that energetically a in-pursuit propelling is more advisable than an on-head propelling, the structures of such kind are more proof (in 4 to 5 times) against the apds as compared with the kontakt-v ra series complex. At the same time we can see that the anti-tandem properties of such armor essentially increase, i.e. Armor acquires better proofness against the most advanced tandem antitank guided missiles of type tow-2a with a delay time of at least 400 us and with the penetration ability behind the mounted shape-charge-proof reactive armor of at least 1,000 mm.

Thus, the use of relikt on the domestic tanks is a meaningful step of protection of the domestic tanks against the majority advanced antitank traverse weapons designed to destroy a tank from the front.

According to the estimates of the specialists they expressed at the exhibition at nizhni tagil, relikt developed by the research institute of steel is an adequate answer to the advanced antitank weapons. Today, it is one of the best armor protection complexes for the armor materiel and possibility of its installation both on the new, upgraded and being in-service tanks makes relikt really unique.

Protection of the tank side projections against the heat grenades was borrowed from the technical solutions developed for the light-weight vehicles. As applied to the protection of such light-weight vehicles, the solution of the task was drastically more difficult because of several limitations:

- it was necessary to initiate the explosives and dispersion of plates so as to prevent their destructive effects on a relatively thin principal armor;

- it was necessary to prevent transfer of detonation from the ra element initiating under the action of the explosive jet of the charge to the entire volume of their block;

- if possible, localize the area of damage by limiting it by the area of one or two modules;

- make the protective modules universal, bearing in mind simultaneous reinforcement of protection against the kinematic weapons such as bullets of up to 14.5 mm in caliber and the projectiles to the small-caliber guns.

The whole complex of the tasks listed above was solved in no small measure due to the development and acceptance for operational service of the ra element (index 4s24) with twice as little amount of explosive as indexes 4s20 and 4s22. This drastically increased, without reducing the effectiveness of the jet suppression, the design survivability when attacked by fire and practically eliminated flam-mability both of the ra elements themselves and of the modules on the whole that was a problem with the previous ra elements of type 4s20.

It should also be specially underlined that when mastering this complex, a very complicated task was solved to delay a leading portion of jet that by virtue of a certain inertial dispersion of the ra plates (especially when propelled in pursuit) had time to "slip" having at the same time a rather high penetration ability of at least one caliber of the warhead for a relatively thin principal armor.

It should be also noted that relikt allows installation on the tank of a stealth complex against precision weapons. The main component of this complex is a set of the nakidka anti-radar multi-spectral composite material widely tested and well-proved.

Even a simple visual inspection of the vehicles shows that percentage of the so-called weak zones was essentially reduced.

If we take into account that all the represented protection complexes were only a part of the amazing work on deep upgrade of the t-90 tank that has been performed by the uralvagonzavod practically for all aspects related to the improvement of the vehicle combat effectiveness, then we may draw a conclusion that both our army and the foreign partners in the event they buy such vehicle will obtain one of the world's best tanks capable of standing up to the today's threats.

However, the potential of growth both of protection and of the other combat properties of the vehicle have many latent reserves.




如果俄钢铁院按照这个指标来做装甲防护的材料和结构科研。


怎么做?  没法做了。



如果俄钢铁院按照这个指标来做装甲防护的材料和结构科研。


怎么做?  没法做了。
给老J顶起,不错的技术文!!!
学老美整天宣传敌人怎么牛b骗吃骗喝,可惜上头也是饱一顿饥一顿。
马扁科研经费的吧?  把MD说的很NB, 潜台词就是赶紧给我经费研究装甲防护材料
这总师不是胡说涅吗,每年涨35毫米,种花种草呢?保持光合作用?还长得这么匀称?
一/五零零 发表于 2011-11-18 15:44
学老美整天宣传敌人怎么牛b骗吃骗喝,可惜上头也是饱一顿饥一顿。
开什么玩笑?

BTR, BMP和T-90的出口量以及单兵装甲的制造量。  钢铁院能多饿么?     ;P

红外6904 发表于 2011-11-18 16:49
这总师不是胡说涅吗,每年涨35毫米,种花种草呢?保持光合作用?还长得这么匀称?


for example, penetration ability of the apds of the tank guns of the abrams m1 tank modifications is growing approximately according to the linear law with a factor of proportionality of about 35 mm per year.

根据大约每年35mm的比例系数的线性规则增长........

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这个语言是很精准的语言描述。
红外6904 发表于 2011-11-18 16:49
这总师不是胡说涅吗,每年涨35毫米,种花种草呢?保持光合作用?还长得这么匀称?


for example, penetration ability of the apds of the tank guns of the abrams m1 tank modifications is growing approximately according to the linear law with a factor of proportionality of about 35 mm per year.

根据大约每年35mm的比例系数的线性规则增长........

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这个语言是很精准的语言描述。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-11-18 16:56
for example, penetration ability of the apds of the tank guns of the abrams m1 tank modification ...
这种论述方式就是错误的
弹药威力,是随着型号的不同而提升,而不是按照年份进行平均增长。
红外6904 发表于 2011-11-18 17:27
弹药威力,是随着型号的不同而提升,而不是按照年份进行平均增长。
按照弹药研发定型的年份对应的点,再对应相应的穿深指标数据点, 链接起来, 拟合成平滑曲线进行数据处理。

写论文可以这么处理数据。 描述也清楚。
坦克增重,自二战结束,以线性数据计,每年增重600KG,车高减少5CM,时速每年增加0.5KM,防护每年增加15毫米,我不知道这样的论文写出去,会不会砸的满头是包;P
防护快到极限了吧,需要另辟蹊径了
算平均数?


笑死我了!!

还带按年算的,养猪还是种水稻啊~~

这算不算深入浅出??

笑死我了!!

还带按年算的,养猪还是种水稻啊~~

这算不算深入浅出??
深入浅出??  很邪恶的回复。。
日全食 发表于 2011-11-19 01:24
笑死我了!!

还带按年算的,养猪还是种水稻啊~~
2啊,不会算平均数吗?;P
其实是按圆渐开线增长的
wanghuanbs 发表于 2011-11-20 02:41
2啊,不会算平均数吗?
2啊,人民币还能看成基洛,收集信息的眼睛都有问题,脑袋就算正常也没用吧,更别说后一点还不一定呢。
每年增长35mm,听起来还以为是什么男科专用药的广告
每年增长35mm,听起来还以为是什么男科专用药的广告
我Kao要是那样,十年之后不就成了"日穿钢板"了吗?………
骗经费吧
白发如雪 发表于 2011-11-21 11:51
我Kao要是那样,十年之后不就成了"日穿钢板"了吗?………
乃从现在开始可以开始练习了。 对象就是铝板, 钢板要求太高了。
没经费了,吓唬吓唬上头赶紧给钱~~~
介个。  主旨是介绍仙人掌的吧?
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-11-18 17:32
按照弹药研发定型的年份对应的点,再对应相应的穿深指标数据点, 链接起来, 拟合成平滑曲线进行数据处理 ...
这是正解   
MD的基于M1坦克改型的脱穿弹穿甲性能每年增长35mm。  
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这总师说的是哪个位面的?

这总师这话有两个意思,第一个意思是M829系列穿甲弹每年出一个改进型号,所以现在M829E2X已经出现了。M829E4神马都OUT了。

           第二个意思是,这个能力还是均匀增长的,比植物还均匀。
猎杀m1a2 发表于 2011-11-21 16:00
MD的基于M1坦克改型的脱穿弹穿甲性能每年增长35mm。  
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11,18楼。 数据处理方式。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-11-18 17:32
按照弹药研发定型的年份对应的点,再对应相应的穿深指标数据点, 链接起来, 拟合成平滑曲线进行数据处理 ...
养猪专业论文可以这么写。

机械方面、弹药方面、材料方面、火炸药方面、电子方面这些论文有这么写的么?
猎杀m1a2 发表于 2011-11-21 16:01
养猪专业论文可以这么写。

机械方面、弹药方面、材料方面、火炸药方面、电子方面这些论文有这么写的么 ...
将点状分布数据进行曲线拟合处理来看某种关系, 是很常用的数据处理方式。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-11-21 16:09
将点状分布数据进行曲线拟合处理来看某种关系, 是很常用的数据处理方式。
动植物是可以,它们的生长是连续的。股票也可以,可是“机械方面、弹药方面、材料方面、火炸药方面、电子方面……”就不应该这样了。

emellzzq 发表于 2011-11-21 17:02
动植物是可以,它们的生长是连续的。股票也可以,可是“机械方面、弹药方面、材料方面、火炸药方面、电子 ...


举个例:  电子方面。 摩尔定律, 每18个月......:handshake
emellzzq 发表于 2011-11-21 17:02
动植物是可以,它们的生长是连续的。股票也可以,可是“机械方面、弹药方面、材料方面、火炸药方面、电子 ...


举个例:  电子方面。 摩尔定律, 每18个月......:handshake
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-11-21 17:05
举个例:  电子方面。 摩尔定律, 每18个月......
这18个月我这的电子产品肯定没按摩尔定律。:D价没减半,还升了;性能没翻倍,最好的也就提高50%。搞得我想买新的移动硬盘一直拖着没下手。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-11-21 14:18
乃从现在开始可以开始练习了。 对象就是铝板, 钢板要求太高了。
换成纸板行不?:D

emellzzq 发表于 2011-11-21 11:19
这18个月我这的电子产品肯定没按摩尔定律。价没减半,还升了;性能没翻倍,最好的也就提高50%。搞得我想 ...


所以说,这是一种数学建模的方法啊。从整个发展历史上面来看,用这样的方法毫无问题的。

不清楚那几位大能为啥那么反感。
emellzzq 发表于 2011-11-21 11:19
这18个月我这的电子产品肯定没按摩尔定律。价没减半,还升了;性能没翻倍,最好的也就提高50%。搞得我想 ...


所以说,这是一种数学建模的方法啊。从整个发展历史上面来看,用这样的方法毫无问题的。

不清楚那几位大能为啥那么反感。