毛舰达人请进，关于瓦良格号滑越甲板的问题，求教

不太清楚这个故事不知是真是假，有说可能涉密就没有下文了，里面说，是因为库舰下水试航后发现12度起飞效果不太理想，瓦舰就改成14度了
http://sonicbbs.eastday.com/topi ... amp;topicid=2210120

12和14度差距肉眼看不出来吧

是有这个说法，但2°差别肉眼很难分辨的，特别是大舰的宏观照片...

11435后面的11436，

改动比较大

不会吧，库舰90-92年海试兼SU-27K、MIG-29K试飞，此时瓦良格已开工许久了，怎可能改？

sbtcsem 发表于 2010-1-2 03:20


In 1983 it was decided to build a second ship of the project 11435 (originally also received the name "Riga"). At the tactical-technical task pawned to improve the project in case of new models of weapons and electronic media. Construction of the ship began immediately after the launching of the cerebral heavy aircraft. On the slipway two 900-ton cranes installed mortgage unit (nasal ICE), a new order C-106 already assembled and shrouding two GTZA and the four main boilers. The ship was launched on the 25 November 1988, and already during the completion, June 19, 1990, was renamed the "Varangian".

Initially, the sixth ship of the series "Gyrfalcon" fully pr.11435 repeated, but in June 1986 issued a decree USSR amending certain basic elements of the cruisers, in particular, electronic weapons. The development was in the Nevsky PKB led LV Belova, and the project received a new number 11436. Radar system from the Mars-Passat, which has demonstrated its Incomplete on previous ships, be replaced by the more efficient RFCs "Forum" in the radar Podberyozovik (it tests successfully passed on the BOD Kerch pr.1134-B) 把火星-贸易风换成Forum with the possibility of selection of air purposes, two radar "Fregat-MA" and information processing systems, tseleraspredeleniya and target type "Floodplain". In contrast to the RFCs "Mars-Passat", "Forum" to review the space in the horizontal plane due to a mechanical rotation of radar antenna, and in the vertical - at the expense of frequency scanning beam. This antenna "Podberyozovik" placed to replace AP radar "Fregat-MA" on the top of the cylindrical frame antenna post "resistor". In turn, the radar antenna "Fregat-MA" installed in the bow and stern parts of the superstructure. The system of electronic countermeasures "Cantata-11435" is replaced by a new set of electronic warfare TK-146 "Constellation-BR".

第一艘11435和后面的相差之大，可见

回复 7# hnyzvw


    这个，说重点是电子设备，没有提到滑越甲板啊

从中还可以看出瓦良格号的历史渊源

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All that required rework some 150 facilities, primarily - in the superstructure: both have been completely cut off blocks of rooms, previously destined for positions RFCs "Mars-Passat, and in their place established foundations under antenna posts Fregat-MA" RFCs "Forum" . Changed was also designed aft flight deck and sponsons, allowing a modest increase in the size hangars. With a more rational arrangement of planes in the hangar (there were special devices for their turn at one point) and presence on the flight deck (in the aft end) of stationary storage sites 14 machines (which was on at pr.11435), the number of heavy aircraft carrier air group has risen to 67 LAC. In particular, the cruiser could carry 44 fighter-attack aircraft, four AWACS aircraft, two training aircraft and 17 helicopters for various purposes.

Given all of the above needed to correct a significant amount of design documentation, which led to delay in the completion of the cruiser for about 9 months. In addition to the Varyag, in contrast to the lead ship, had intended to provide the basing of an aircraft radar picket and guidance Yak-44RLD (with the possibility of horizontal take-off from the far starting position), which also caused some alterations. However, before the end of 1991 actually started this work were not due to lack of data on the aircraft from the Yakovlev Design Bureau. Yakovlev.

Armament pr.11436 heavy aircraft were almost identical pr.11435 and consisted of a shock complex "Granit", 12 missiles which were deployed in the deck inclined launchers, four SAMs "Dagger", eight rocket-artillery systems "dirk", six 30-mm anti-aircraft AK-630M included in the overall contour of Defense, and two RBU-12000 anti-torpedo complex Udav-1 ". For the production, radar and infrared jamming, there were two 140-mm launchers PC-2, and twelve 122-mm desyatistvolnyh PC-10.

Controls aircraft included complex "Resistor-K4" for navigation in the near zone, the complex command and control "Tour-434, two systems guide fighters" lawn ", the processing flight information Polarnik." Sonar system "polynomial-T" consisted of three antennas: a nasal bulb fairing, underkeel and towed.

Heavy aircraft carrier "Varangian" pr.11436 built for the Pacific fleet for delivery in 1993 until late 1991 completion was in accordance with the timetable agreed upon and approved prior to the abolition of the former USSR Minsudproma. To ensure heavy aircraft based on the CSY time to prepare and send to the Far East special pontoon-threaded, similar to that previously put in Vidyaevo for "Admiral Kuznetsov" pr.11435.

But soon the economic crisis in the former republics of the Union made itself felt and the CSY - were disrupted supply cable companies "Amurkabel" and "Azovkabel" which, in turn, did not receive raw materials from Uzbekistan. Then problems with pricing and its impact on the cost of building the ship. Also, as always happens in periods of disintegration of large states, this was accompanied by an avalanche phenomena in the economy, rising prices and galloping inflation. But despite the cessation of funding (IV quarter of 1991), the Black Sea GCC (General Manager Yu Makarov) finish building the heavy aircraft carrier at its own expense, hoping that later Moscow will reimburse the cost (over U.S. $ 700 million in the prices of 1980 gg.). However, become independent former Soviet republics did not show any interest in outfitting Varyag. Russia, saying it was in 1993, its willingness to build a ship, too, for nothing did not do this, limiting fruitless negotiations. In particular, the Varyag suggested that a certain special government (states) of authority with extraordinary powers, which would coordinate the completion of the cruiser. For his inspection in Nikolaev visited by delegations from Moscow and Kiev. But neither the one nor the other in the new environment means for the completion of such a sophisticated ship was not found. Therefore, in March 1995, Russia officially refused to fund the construction of "Varyag" by transferring it CSY against the company's debts.

Ukraine after considering various options for disposal of the ship that was in 67% of th preparedness, including the possibility of using it as a floating cosmodrome, in the end decided to sell the unfinished aircraft carrier overseas. According to the results conducted in 1997-1998. international tender, the winner was registered in Macau, the Chinese firm. "Varyag" was sold to the State Property Fund of Ukraine for only $ 20 million. While dare his fate, he remained at the plant, becoming at the beginning of 2000 to CSY in the "goose that lays the golden eggs" - the Chinese factory to pay for parking heavy aircraft on 5,000 dollars a day. In the first half of 2000 is expected to sign a contract with Chinese firm on the completion and improvement Varyag into a floating self-propelled recreational-tourist complex (the sum of the contract was supposed to 200-300 million U.S. dollars). But plans have changed, and 14 June at 5.30 am tugs brought Varyag with factory area and began towing to China. However, initially because of the refusal of the Turkish authorities to allow the caravan to pass through the zone of the Straits, it is still 16 months remained in the southwestern part of the Black Sea, dancing (to put heavy aircraft carrier at anchor was not due to lack of on-board power and the threat of loss of anchors) in one area at the entrance to the Bosphorus. Only 2 November 2001 the Turks allowed the caravan of three tugs and the unfinished "Varyag" to pass the straits, temporarily closing all shipping in the area.

November 4 caravan out into the Aegean Sea and once again became the focus of attention - in a ten-storm near the Greek island of Skyros tow rope broke. After unsuccessful attempts to start a towing cables distillation team removed the heavy aircraft carrier with helicopters. Deprived of the ship 14 hours adrift in the Aegean Sea. By the evening of Nov. 5 could create a new lift and return on board the distillation team. Then the caravan went around Africa to the destination. New Year's Eve 2001 he rounded the Cape of Good Hope and entered the Indian Ocean, and on March 3, arrived in the Chinese port of Dalian (Far). Then Varyag was put to the outfitting wall shipyard - one of the most powerful and advanced in China.

There is a version that bought unfinished TAKVR pr.11436 and registered in Macao (a former Portuguese colony in southern China) Company Agenda Turistica e Diversoes Chong Lot Limitada only to cover the stated intention to use the ship as a floating hotel and entertainment center. In fact, as experts believe, the acquisition of "Varyag" was nothing more than a multi-way and multi-level operations of Chinese intelligence services. Therefore we can assume that the Chinese will try to build a ship and included in the composition of its Navy. In any case, at least, heavy aircraft is being carefully studied by Chinese experts in terms of a possible prototype for future projects, creating the Chinese aircraft carriers. Recent data and photos that appeared on the Internet suggest that the work on outfitting the aircraft carrier are already underway, although not too quickly.

从中还可以看出瓦良格号的历史渊源

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All that required rework some 150 facilities, primarily - in the superstructure: both have been completely cut off blocks of rooms, previously destined for positions RFCs "Mars-Passat, and in their place established foundations under antenna posts Fregat-MA" RFCs "Forum" . Changed was also designed aft flight deck and sponsons, allowing a modest increase in the size hangars. With a more rational arrangement of planes in the hangar (there were special devices for their turn at one point) and presence on the flight deck (in the aft end) of stationary storage sites 14 machines (which was on at pr.11435), the number of heavy aircraft carrier air group has risen to 67 LAC. In particular, the cruiser could carry 44 fighter-attack aircraft, four AWACS aircraft, two training aircraft and 17 helicopters for various purposes.

Given all of the above needed to correct a significant amount of design documentation, which led to delay in the completion of the cruiser for about 9 months. In addition to the Varyag, in contrast to the lead ship, had intended to provide the basing of an aircraft radar picket and guidance Yak-44RLD (with the possibility of horizontal take-off from the far starting position), which also caused some alterations. However, before the end of 1991 actually started this work were not due to lack of data on the aircraft from the Yakovlev Design Bureau. Yakovlev.

Armament pr.11436 heavy aircraft were almost identical pr.11435 and consisted of a shock complex "Granit", 12 missiles which were deployed in the deck inclined launchers, four SAMs "Dagger", eight rocket-artillery systems "dirk", six 30-mm anti-aircraft AK-630M included in the overall contour of Defense, and two RBU-12000 anti-torpedo complex Udav-1 ". For the production, radar and infrared jamming, there were two 140-mm launchers PC-2, and twelve 122-mm desyatistvolnyh PC-10.

Controls aircraft included complex "Resistor-K4" for navigation in the near zone, the complex command and control "Tour-434, two systems guide fighters" lawn ", the processing flight information Polarnik." Sonar system "polynomial-T" consisted of three antennas: a nasal bulb fairing, underkeel and towed.

Heavy aircraft carrier "Varangian" pr.11436 built for the Pacific fleet for delivery in 1993 until late 1991 completion was in accordance with the timetable agreed upon and approved prior to the abolition of the former USSR Minsudproma. To ensure heavy aircraft based on the CSY time to prepare and send to the Far East special pontoon-threaded, similar to that previously put in Vidyaevo for "Admiral Kuznetsov" pr.11435.

But soon the economic crisis in the former republics of the Union made itself felt and the CSY - were disrupted supply cable companies "Amurkabel" and "Azovkabel" which, in turn, did not receive raw materials from Uzbekistan. Then problems with pricing and its impact on the cost of building the ship. Also, as always happens in periods of disintegration of large states, this was accompanied by an avalanche phenomena in the economy, rising prices and galloping inflation. But despite the cessation of funding (IV quarter of 1991), the Black Sea GCC (General Manager Yu Makarov) finish building the heavy aircraft carrier at its own expense, hoping that later Moscow will reimburse the cost (over U.S. $ 700 million in the prices of 1980 gg.). However, become independent former Soviet republics did not show any interest in outfitting Varyag. Russia, saying it was in 1993, its willingness to build a ship, too, for nothing did not do this, limiting fruitless negotiations. In particular, the Varyag suggested that a certain special government (states) of authority with extraordinary powers, which would coordinate the completion of the cruiser. For his inspection in Nikolaev visited by delegations from Moscow and Kiev. But neither the one nor the other in the new environment means for the completion of such a sophisticated ship was not found. Therefore, in March 1995, Russia officially refused to fund the construction of "Varyag" by transferring it CSY against the company's debts.

Ukraine after considering various options for disposal of the ship that was in 67% of th preparedness, including the possibility of using it as a floating cosmodrome, in the end decided to sell the unfinished aircraft carrier overseas. According to the results conducted in 1997-1998. international tender, the winner was registered in Macau, the Chinese firm. "Varyag" was sold to the State Property Fund of Ukraine for only $ 20 million. While dare his fate, he remained at the plant, becoming at the beginning of 2000 to CSY in the "goose that lays the golden eggs" - the Chinese factory to pay for parking heavy aircraft on 5,000 dollars a day. In the first half of 2000 is expected to sign a contract with Chinese firm on the completion and improvement Varyag into a floating self-propelled recreational-tourist complex (the sum of the contract was supposed to 200-300 million U.S. dollars). But plans have changed, and 14 June at 5.30 am tugs brought Varyag with factory area and began towing to China. However, initially because of the refusal of the Turkish authorities to allow the caravan to pass through the zone of the Straits, it is still 16 months remained in the southwestern part of the Black Sea, dancing (to put heavy aircraft carrier at anchor was not due to lack of on-board power and the threat of loss of anchors) in one area at the entrance to the Bosphorus. Only 2 November 2001 the Turks allowed the caravan of three tugs and the unfinished "Varyag" to pass the straits, temporarily closing all shipping in the area.

November 4 caravan out into the Aegean Sea and once again became the focus of attention - in a ten-storm near the Greek island of Skyros tow rope broke. After unsuccessful attempts to start a towing cables distillation team removed the heavy aircraft carrier with helicopters. Deprived of the ship 14 hours adrift in the Aegean Sea. By the evening of Nov. 5 could create a new lift and return on board the distillation team. Then the caravan went around Africa to the destination. New Year's Eve 2001 he rounded the Cape of Good Hope and entered the Indian Ocean, and on March 3, arrived in the Chinese port of Dalian (Far). Then Varyag was put to the outfitting wall shipyard - one of the most powerful and advanced in China.

There is a version that bought unfinished TAKVR pr.11436 and registered in Macao (a former Portuguese colony in southern China) Company Agenda Turistica e Diversoes Chong Lot Limitada only to cover the stated intention to use the ship as a floating hotel and entertainment center. In fact, as experts believe, the acquisition of "Varyag" was nothing more than a multi-way and multi-level operations of Chinese intelligence services. Therefore we can assume that the Chinese will try to build a ship and included in the composition of its Navy. In any case, at least, heavy aircraft is being carefully studied by Chinese experts in terms of a possible prototype for future projects, creating the Chinese aircraft carriers. Recent data and photos that appeared on the Internet suggest that the work on outfitting the aircraft carrier are already underway, although not too quickly.

应该是一样的

机库都改了。

这个改动很大。 包括飞行甲板。 除了武器装备基本一样外。


Changed was also designed aft flight deck and sponsons, allowing a modest increase in the size hangars. With a more rational arrangement of planes in the hangar (there were special devices for their turn at one point) and presence on the flight deck (in the aft end) of stationary storage sites 14 machines (which was on at pr.11435), the number of heavy aircraft carrier air group has risen to 67 LAC. In particular, the cruiser could carry 44 fighter-attack aircraft, four AWACS aircraft, two training aircraft and 17 helicopters for various purposes.

这个改动很大。 包括飞行甲板。 除了武器装备基本一样外。


Changed was also designed aft flight deck and sponsons, allowing a modest increase in the size hangars. With a more rational arrangement of planes in the hangar (there were special devices for their turn at one point) and presence on the flight deck (in the aft end) of stationary storage sites 14 machines (which was on at pr.11435), the number of heavy aircraft carrier air group has risen to 67 LAC. In particular, the cruiser could carry 44 fighter-attack aircraft, four AWACS aircraft, two training aircraft and 17 helicopters for various purposes.

Placing weapons in the aircraft carrier project 11436

1 - nose antenna HOOK "polynomial-T, 2 - combat modules SPAR" dirk ", 3 - PU cover PKRK" Granite ", 4 - install vertical launch SAM" Dagger ", 5 - Navigation Radar Vaigach 6 - gazootboynye shields; 7 - samoletopodemniki 8 - AP radar fire control SAM "Dagger", 9 - AP-reception targeting PKRK "Coral-BN; 10 - Radar detection of the total" Fregat-MA "RFCs" Forum-2M, 11 - Radar "Leccinum" RFCs "Forum-2M", 12 - AP satellite station "Crystal-BC"; 13 - PAR range navigation station "Resistor-K4"; 14 - AP stations EW complex "Constellation-BR"; 15 - Course - glide-path system searchlights "Resistor-K4"; 16 - six-barrel 30-mm AK-630M ZAK; 17 - rocket launchers RBU-12000 anti-torpedo complex Udav-1 "; 18 - Runway; 19 - lighting system landing


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楼上都是外国淫？看不懂啊···

拒绝看鸟语！

岛也不一样 舰体也加大了些 毕竟是改进型吗{:Bingo:}

舰体？火星那边最近天气咋样？
hnyzvw兄的资料讲了很多，就是没有讲到滑越甲板的改动{:ya:}

舰体后部甲板做了一些调整， 不是很大的调整