不会吧,印度买10架C-17A

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IAF chooses Boeing's latest C-17 for heavy-lift transport aircraft

New Delhi, June 14


The Indian Air Force (IAF) has shortlisted the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III as its new Very Heavy Lift Transport Aircraft (VHTAC).

Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik is quoted by the India Strategic defence magazine as saying that the aircraft had been chosen after a thorough study because of its capability to take off and land on short runways with heavy loads, long range, and ease of operation.

IAF was looking at acquiring ten C-17s initially through the US government's Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route, and a proposal in this regard was being considered by the Ministry of Defence (MoD), he said adding that the aircraft should come in about three years after a contract is signed.

The air chief, who spoke to India Strategic on the eve of the Paris Air Show beginning Monday, is also quoted as saying in its report that flight trials for the six Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCAs) would begin in July and end around March 2010. The chosen MMRCA should start coming to India by 2014.

Outlining the trial procedure, Air Chief Marshal Naik said that initially, test pilots from IAF's elite Bangalore-based Aircraft and Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE) would visit the manufacturing facilities of the six contenders; in the second round, they would test the aircraft's performance in humid, hot and cold weather in Bangalore, Jaisalmer and Leh; and in the third and final round, they would test live precision weapon firings from the aircraft in the country of their manufacturer or another country designated by them.

"There would be one team leader but two or three sub-teams, and the template would be common for all," he was quoted as saying.

The six aircraft in the fray are European EADS Eurofighter, US Lockheed Martin F-16 Viper and Boeing F-18 Super Hornet, French Rafale, Swedish Gripen and Russian Mig 35. One of them would be chosen to supply 126 aircraft worth about $10 billion, but the order could go up by another 50 per cent to 189 aircraft, a clause for which is built in the tender (Request for Proposal or RfP) issued last year. The interview report has been published in the June edition of India Strategic, being released at the Paris Air Show.

Notably, except for the Su30-MKI, all the combat and transport aircraft of the IAF were acquired in the 1980s, and IAF needs new, and newer generation, aircraft to replace and augment that capacity.

India has about 100-plus medium An-32 and less than 20 heavy lift IL-76 aircraft. It is difficult to get their spares as the Soviet Union where they were made has disintegrated into Russia and other states. IAF has acquired old, refurbished IL-76 platforms for its AWACS and Midair Refueler requirements.

An agreement was being signed with Ukraine to upgrade and modernize the An-32s, the Air Chief said.

An IL-76 can carry a cargo of around 45 tonnes and has a crew of six while a C-17 can carry 70 tonnes, and is much easier to operate with a small crew of two pilots and one loadmaster (total three), thanks to its various power-assisted systems. Two observers though can also be seated.

Despite its massive size - 174 ft length, 55 ft height and about 170 ft wingspan - a pilot can fly the C-17 with a simple joystick, much like a fighter aircraft, which can be lifesaving in a battlezone as the aircraft can take off quickly and at steep angles. It is powered by four Pratt & Whitney F-117-PW-100 turbofan engines.

Air Chief Marshal Naik said that IAF required contemporary and futuristic aircraft and systems, and that there was an urgency to acquire modern aircraft. The government shared the concern of the armed forces, and the pace to renew IAF's assets was on schedule. By 2020-25, IAF would achieve its optimum level (of 45 squadrons).

At present, it is down from its sanctioned strength of 39.5 squadron to around 30-32, but this trend has been arrested, particularly with the induction of more Su30-MKIs and Jaguars. India has given a repeat order of 40 Su30-MKIs to Russia to take their total number to 230.

The requirement today is for technologically better, easier to maintain, and a larger number of combat and other aircraft, including helicopters, due to the strategic scenario around India and the need to ferry troops, men and material even within India in times of contingency and natural disasters.

He observed: "The IAF of the future, post-2025, would consist of FGFA (Fith Generation Fighter Aircraft), Su30-MKIs, MRCAs and Tejas/MCA (indigenous Medium Combat Aircraft) with multi-role as well as significant swing role capability."

"They would employ advanced technologies, sensors and precision weapons. The larger aircraft, i.e. FGFA and Su30 would focus on Air Dominance and specialise in similar roles in long ranges over land and sea, while the MRCAs would don a variety of medium-range and tactical roles. These assets would be capable of all weather, day and night attack with adequate self-protection capability... these assets would be immensely capable and are not going to be confined to the strictly stereotyped roles. They would carry out a number of roles in the same mission."

Air Chief Marshal Naik, who assumed charge May 31 from Air Chief Marshal F.H. Major, would be visiting the Paris Air Show along with top IAF officers to witness what new technologies are being introduced and displayed there by various aircraft manufacturers.

The Air Chief said that IAF was also looking at more AWACS but after studying how the first lot of three Phalcon AWACS functions. The first of these aircraft was delivered last month, and the remaining two would be delivered by Israel in 2010.

He indicated that IAF had short-listed the Airbus A330 MRTT to augment its Midair Refueller requirement, and that the proposal was being processed by the Ministry of Defence. IAF already has six IL-76-based aerial refuellers, designated as IL-78.

As for the C-17, Boeing has brought the aircraft several times to India for its literal catwalk on IAF tarmacs, including at the Aero India 2007 and 2009 in Bangalore. Indian military officials and journalists have been invited for the aircraft's flight displays during the Paris Air Show.

The C-17 is the mainstay of the US forces for worldwide deployment, and can be refuelled midair. It is in fact the lifeline of US and NATO troops deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

According to the Boeing company, the high-wing, 4-engine, multi-service T-tailed military-transport C-17 can carry large equipment including tanks, supplies and troops directly to small airfields in harsh terrain anywhere in the world day or night.

The massive, sturdy, long-haul aircraft tackles distance, destination and heavy, oversized payloads in unpredictable conditions. It has delivered cargo in every worldwide operation since the 1990s. It can take off from a 7,600-ft airfield, carry a payload of 160,000 pounds, fly 2,400 nautical miles, refuel while in flight for longer range, and land in 3,000 ft or less on a small unpaved or paved airfield day or night.

The aircraft can also be used as an aerial ambulance.

(Gulshan Luthra is a defence analyst. He can be reached at gulshan.luthra@indiastrategic.in)

Last updated on Jun 14th, 2009 at 14:30 pm ISTIAF chooses Boeing's latest C-17 for heavy-lift transport aircraft

New Delhi, June 14


The Indian Air Force (IAF) has shortlisted the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III as its new Very Heavy Lift Transport Aircraft (VHTAC).

Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik is quoted by the India Strategic defence magazine as saying that the aircraft had been chosen after a thorough study because of its capability to take off and land on short runways with heavy loads, long range, and ease of operation.

IAF was looking at acquiring ten C-17s initially through the US government's Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route, and a proposal in this regard was being considered by the Ministry of Defence (MoD), he said adding that the aircraft should come in about three years after a contract is signed.

The air chief, who spoke to India Strategic on the eve of the Paris Air Show beginning Monday, is also quoted as saying in its report that flight trials for the six Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCAs) would begin in July and end around March 2010. The chosen MMRCA should start coming to India by 2014.

Outlining the trial procedure, Air Chief Marshal Naik said that initially, test pilots from IAF's elite Bangalore-based Aircraft and Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE) would visit the manufacturing facilities of the six contenders; in the second round, they would test the aircraft's performance in humid, hot and cold weather in Bangalore, Jaisalmer and Leh; and in the third and final round, they would test live precision weapon firings from the aircraft in the country of their manufacturer or another country designated by them.

"There would be one team leader but two or three sub-teams, and the template would be common for all," he was quoted as saying.

The six aircraft in the fray are European EADS Eurofighter, US Lockheed Martin F-16 Viper and Boeing F-18 Super Hornet, French Rafale, Swedish Gripen and Russian Mig 35. One of them would be chosen to supply 126 aircraft worth about $10 billion, but the order could go up by another 50 per cent to 189 aircraft, a clause for which is built in the tender (Request for Proposal or RfP) issued last year. The interview report has been published in the June edition of India Strategic, being released at the Paris Air Show.

Notably, except for the Su30-MKI, all the combat and transport aircraft of the IAF were acquired in the 1980s, and IAF needs new, and newer generation, aircraft to replace and augment that capacity.

India has about 100-plus medium An-32 and less than 20 heavy lift IL-76 aircraft. It is difficult to get their spares as the Soviet Union where they were made has disintegrated into Russia and other states. IAF has acquired old, refurbished IL-76 platforms for its AWACS and Midair Refueler requirements.

An agreement was being signed with Ukraine to upgrade and modernize the An-32s, the Air Chief said.

An IL-76 can carry a cargo of around 45 tonnes and has a crew of six while a C-17 can carry 70 tonnes, and is much easier to operate with a small crew of two pilots and one loadmaster (total three), thanks to its various power-assisted systems. Two observers though can also be seated.

Despite its massive size - 174 ft length, 55 ft height and about 170 ft wingspan - a pilot can fly the C-17 with a simple joystick, much like a fighter aircraft, which can be lifesaving in a battlezone as the aircraft can take off quickly and at steep angles. It is powered by four Pratt & Whitney F-117-PW-100 turbofan engines.

Air Chief Marshal Naik said that IAF required contemporary and futuristic aircraft and systems, and that there was an urgency to acquire modern aircraft. The government shared the concern of the armed forces, and the pace to renew IAF's assets was on schedule. By 2020-25, IAF would achieve its optimum level (of 45 squadrons).

At present, it is down from its sanctioned strength of 39.5 squadron to around 30-32, but this trend has been arrested, particularly with the induction of more Su30-MKIs and Jaguars. India has given a repeat order of 40 Su30-MKIs to Russia to take their total number to 230.

The requirement today is for technologically better, easier to maintain, and a larger number of combat and other aircraft, including helicopters, due to the strategic scenario around India and the need to ferry troops, men and material even within India in times of contingency and natural disasters.

He observed: "The IAF of the future, post-2025, would consist of FGFA (Fith Generation Fighter Aircraft), Su30-MKIs, MRCAs and Tejas/MCA (indigenous Medium Combat Aircraft) with multi-role as well as significant swing role capability."

"They would employ advanced technologies, sensors and precision weapons. The larger aircraft, i.e. FGFA and Su30 would focus on Air Dominance and specialise in similar roles in long ranges over land and sea, while the MRCAs would don a variety of medium-range and tactical roles. These assets would be capable of all weather, day and night attack with adequate self-protection capability... these assets would be immensely capable and are not going to be confined to the strictly stereotyped roles. They would carry out a number of roles in the same mission."

Air Chief Marshal Naik, who assumed charge May 31 from Air Chief Marshal F.H. Major, would be visiting the Paris Air Show along with top IAF officers to witness what new technologies are being introduced and displayed there by various aircraft manufacturers.

The Air Chief said that IAF was also looking at more AWACS but after studying how the first lot of three Phalcon AWACS functions. The first of these aircraft was delivered last month, and the remaining two would be delivered by Israel in 2010.

He indicated that IAF had short-listed the Airbus A330 MRTT to augment its Midair Refueller requirement, and that the proposal was being processed by the Ministry of Defence. IAF already has six IL-76-based aerial refuellers, designated as IL-78.

As for the C-17, Boeing has brought the aircraft several times to India for its literal catwalk on IAF tarmacs, including at the Aero India 2007 and 2009 in Bangalore. Indian military officials and journalists have been invited for the aircraft's flight displays during the Paris Air Show.

The C-17 is the mainstay of the US forces for worldwide deployment, and can be refuelled midair. It is in fact the lifeline of US and NATO troops deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

According to the Boeing company, the high-wing, 4-engine, multi-service T-tailed military-transport C-17 can carry large equipment including tanks, supplies and troops directly to small airfields in harsh terrain anywhere in the world day or night.

The massive, sturdy, long-haul aircraft tackles distance, destination and heavy, oversized payloads in unpredictable conditions. It has delivered cargo in every worldwide operation since the 1990s. It can take off from a 7,600-ft airfield, carry a payload of 160,000 pounds, fly 2,400 nautical miles, refuel while in flight for longer range, and land in 3,000 ft or less on a small unpaved or paved airfield day or night.

The aircraft can also be used as an aerial ambulance.

(Gulshan Luthra is a defence analyst. He can be reached at gulshan.luthra@indiastrategic.in)

Last updated on Jun 14th, 2009 at 14:30 pm IST
阿三真幸福,好东东可以随便买。
{:3_97:}我靠.婶婶可以忍.叔叔都不能忍了.偶也要买
新闻也有了。。A3的确兴奋

T G得加油了
[:a2:]真的啊
看看印度,好象除了F22,F35,B2,其它让由他任挑啊。
阿3的后勤世界第一:D
这下阿三的运输机又是横跨两大系列了

要不空客再去打探一下卖几架加油机?
话说波音总算是能喘一口气了
印度去组装SU30I真是失策,说不定回悔得很呢
我看偶们应该很酸......
开来印度真的准备打造世界级空军了.
oldwatch 发表于 2009-6-15 20:14
Airbus A330 MRTT 加油机印度也看上了,正在进行中
已有6架IL78!
MD真是爽歪歪,既赚了钱,又能有效节制TG,我们咋没几个这种有钱的主呢
史上最强后勤真不是盖的

光是技术资料估计就覆盖了除中文外的所有联合国常用语言了……
A3个蠢货,买124不是更好吗.....
说实话,很羡慕阿三的这份国际环境啊。C17都能买得到,TG的山寨C17希望能按节点试飞成功
PS,阿三和TG军备竞赛也是好事,这样阿三就有可能被TG拖垮。TG要做的就是在全球市场,在各个领域打击阿三的竞争力,消耗它的潜力
{:3_82:}
偶去吃葡萄了,坐等TG大运……
nihua 发表于 2009-6-15 20:49
说的好,到最后我们还会感谢A3让TG下决心全力发展我们缺的大部分高新兵器呢.....
日巴毛三国联合痛哭ING
阿三真幸福,但多几架飞机有鸟用,人还是那个土样~
流口水了,好东东阿7...
啥时候美帝卖22给阿三呢才是大新闻呢:D
阿三 幸福啊!
22楼,买二手俄亥俄,顺手帮三锅把"大地"集成上去,你看怎么样?:D
22一时间估计买不到,35还是有可能的
唉,这国际环境没法比呀.
啥也别说了,加油干吧,早点把大运搞出来才是正道.
nihua 发表于 2009-6-15 20:49

借山寨模式挑战美帝,“山寨”能否成功?是不是快出来呢?要不MD怎么急了,连C17也卖A3。
TG 在10年内有能力研制类似美C-17的大运?山寨C17的时间节点是什么时候?
战略空运能力是战争的重要保障,随着战略空运能力在兵力投送方面的作用越来越大,已经成为赢得战争的重要保障。大型战略运输机航速高、航程远、运载量大,不受地理环境和海洋条件影响。建设一支规模适度的战略空运力量,在战役部署阶段就可以有效补充地面运力的不足,作战实施阶段可以及时完成大纵深、大规模兵力机动和实施快速灵活的战略后勤支援保障。
{:3_95:}好酸的葡萄。。。。。等我们自己的大JJ
有这么大的JJ,A3真性福啊
我感觉中国的国情还是要依靠自己,A3,顺便他们。


合同还没签呢,合同签了3年到货,看样子要到2015年。到时国产大运已经飞上天了。

其实这样挺好的,美帝替中国埋葬A3的航空工业。


合同还没签呢,合同签了3年到货,看样子要到2015年。到时国产大运已经飞上天了。

其实这样挺好的,美帝替中国埋葬A3的航空工业。
量力而行吧,真要去和印度拼装备,万一中了奸计怎么办?要拼就拼科技进步和社会进步.
喝口醋,踩踩A3,心里更酸
坐等鳖版大运出世
A3真有钱啊!A3这只大绵羊,毛子还没薅完MD接着薅。
接着还有一百多架战斗机的合同,不知又会轮到谁薅?
若真拿下这个单子,波音能否赚来C-17B的开发资金?


貌似A3打算订购38架伊尔476(号称是第四代的伊尔76),四月份乌里扬诺夫斯克厂的头目说,已经签订了意向...伊尔476计划于明年中首飞。
采购C-17是否会冲击上述合同?倘若两者全收,那届时A3的空运力量实在不容小觑了!

貌似A3打算订购38架伊尔476(号称是第四代的伊尔76),四月份乌里扬诺夫斯克厂的头目说,已经签订了意向...伊尔476计划于明年中首飞。
采购C-17是否会冲击上述合同?倘若两者全收,那届时A3的空运力量实在不容小觑了!

说实话,很羡慕阿三的这份国际环境啊。C17都能买得到,TG的山寨C17希望能按节点试飞成功
PS,阿三和TG军备竞赛也是好事,这样阿三就有可能被TG拖垮。TG要做的就是在全球市场,在各个领域打击阿三的竞争力,消耗它的 ...
nihua 发表于 2009-6-15 20:49


Y-XX是现役伊尔76的后继飞机,与C-17不在一个档次...
说实话,很羡慕阿三的这份国际环境啊。C17都能买得到,TG的山寨C17希望能按节点试飞成功
PS,阿三和TG军备竞赛也是好事,这样阿三就有可能被TG拖垮。TG要做的就是在全球市场,在各个领域打击阿三的竞争力,消耗它的 ...
nihua 发表于 2009-6-15 20:49


Y-XX是现役伊尔76的后继飞机,与C-17不在一个档次...
aliasmaya 发表于 2009-6-15 23:27
我不觉得C-17B特别难开发,主要是换发动机,现在比F117性能好又成熟的发动机也不少,然后跟着会对起降增升进行改进,这倒是要花钱的。C-17实际上是80年代末的技术水平,复材比重还有大幅提高的潜力,这也要花钱。然后是控制系统、航电等等……
真想三哥发个癫,打我们一下,这样这些就都是我们的了……我们不贪,拿几个样机回来就行了……唉……
三锅已经达到阿联酋的生活水平了。。。