东风5的弹头，会有人来抢捞吗？

苏联如果在场，他们会这么干吗?虽然毛子做事霸道，但当时我们好歹还没翻脸，他们也不敢吧？美国会不会？以前美苏争霸时，双方是不是这样干过？

苏联如果在场，他们会这么干吗?虽然毛子做事霸道，但当时我们好歹还没翻脸，他们也不敢吧？美国会不会？以前美苏争霸时，双方是不是这样干过？

所以要派护航舰队，哪怕只是唬人的

捞也是白捞，里面没装数据舱，全部是核废料，谁捞谁死。。。。。

96年发射到台湾海峡的导弹弹头好象被美国捞走了。

看过一个兵写的回忆文字，80那次第一枚是距离瞄准点约10公里，直升机放潜水员下去，很快就吊起来了。第二枚跟朝鲜最近这次一样是近弹，距离编队约4000公里，后来上级就来命令返航了，不知道有无人捞着。

我想就算现在朝鲜发射个导弹，落在公海，即使朝鲜海军一时捞不着，只要军舰在附近，美国、日本的军舰也不敢公然抢捞吧？这是主权问题吧？

在公海上，哼哼，一切都有可能

发射了两枚？偏了几千公里？这也太吓人啦

如果明显偏离，可以遥控数据仓自毁吧？

10# 鱼缸养龙


没错,第二枚就是故障了,没落到预定地点

记得看过篇文章，当时编队进太平洋的时候日本的飞机在头顶嗡嗡的，

打捞数据仓的时候是有荧光剂的，打捞的时候是超黄蜂用绞车吊放打捞人员，打捞人员用了两次才抱住数据仓

别的时间太长了，记不清楚了

根据国外资料：第二枚（代号580B）发动机早关机6.4秒，落在距离目标区1400公里的地方，其他情况不明。
关于第二枚国外资料说法有点出入，有的言之凿凿说失败了，有的谨慎一点说的是可能失败了。

10# 鱼缸养龙


没错,第二枚就是故障了,没落到预定地点
donaldzhao 发表于 2009-5-5 21:41

根据国外资料：第二枚（代号580B）发动机早关机6.4秒，落在距离目标区1400公里的地方，其他情况不明。
关于第二枚国外资料说法有点出入，有的言之凿凿说失败了，有的谨慎一点说的是可能失败了。

我就记得是051的电磁兼容性不好，所以没有带反舰弹，真打起来，可就毁了！
不过，就是带上几颗 上游，估计也不是人家的对手

但小时候看过这次任务的纪录片，深蓝色的051炮口高昂，破浪前进，陪着雄壮的进行曲，那时可是真激动啊！

鱼缸养龙 发表于 2009-5-5 21:54
问题是别人不知道这个啊，据说当时新西兰海军已经做好了一旦出现突发事件“玉碎”的准备了~

蘇聯就有被美國當面撈了的先例

天之蓝海之蓝 发表于 2009-5-5 21:57
有啥好玉碎的，80年代密集阵已经服役了，“蚕”式对密集阵还是惨点

.......哦，当时新西兰海军只有“利安德”上的海猫，也够寒颤的.....

新西兰海军“玉碎”？
那次导弹试验关新西兰什么鸟事啊？

是啊，莫名其妙的新西兰。

离的人家近呗，不过，丁点大的岛，就算咱打偏了，貌似落到新西兰的可能也不大。

火花四射 发表于 2009-5-5 22:02

很好奇，火花说说具体的，给偶们科普一下

鱼缸养龙 发表于 2009-5-5 22:32


今日如何对朝鲜，昨日如何对中国，一般无二

就是捞了你也没有脾气，好歹当时和美国以及西方国家关系还行，基于国际影响和地区利益，我想美国也不会做出太出格的事。

弹头上都设置有保密装置的，多少分钟内捞不起来，就自动沉掉或者毁掉数据。

北京时间10时整。中国自己研制的第一枚远程运载火箭准时从祖国大西北某地升空飞向南太平洋。远在千里之外的南太平洋试验海区所有舰船和飞机都处于“一等状态”。火箭距预定海区8000千米，远望号测量船上的雷达就发现了目标，并将信息传给特混编队指挥部。指挥部立即命令舰载机在指定空域活动，遥测机机长杨守礼在机上领航员郑荣双的引导下，很快地捕获到了目标，遥测火箭飞行16秒临近预定落点。10时30分，火箭数据舱弹落大海，释放出染色剂把海水染成绿茵一片。在预定弹着点方圆20海里范围内，一些西方国家的舰载飞机都在等着弹头上的数据舱落下来，好捷足先登，抢捞回去论功行赏。据说前苏联有一次在太平洋发射火箭时，数据舱就被美国人抢走了。


就只有這一段。。。。。

zengaimin 发表于 2009-5-5 22:14
这个事情是听一位在新西兰上学的朋友说的，他的房东是新西兰海军的退役水兵，据房东说曾参加过当年“围观”中国舰队的行动，当时新西兰海军可是做好了应对最糟局面的准备~

没错！这话是我说的。这种情况下不出事大家你好我好共唱友谊，一旦出了事大家都会大打出手。

这个事情是听一位在新西兰上学的朋友说的，他的房东是新西兰海军的退役水兵，据房东说曾参加过当年“围观”中国舰队的行动，当时新西兰海军可是做好了应对最糟局面的准备~
天之蓝海之蓝 发表于 2009-5-6 09:06

没错！这话是我说的。这种情况下不出事大家你好我好共唱友谊，一旦出了事大家都会大打出手。

这事已经传了很长时间了，但是一直没有相关图片。但是苏联人当年还捞到过阿波罗的返回舱。

飞船（代号BP-1227）是苏联人1969年捞到的，于1970年9月8日交还美国，并由美国海岸警卫队南风号破冰船带回。

以下的文章和图片就是美国海岸警卫队南风号破冰船1970年9月访问莫尔曼斯克时苏联人交还返回舱的文章和图片。

http://www.astronautix.com/articles/sovpsule.htm
In 2002 this web site broke the story that the Soviet Union had recovered an Apollo capsule in 1969 and returned it to the Americans a year later in the extraordinary Cold War visit to Murmansk by the American Coast Guard icebreaker Southwind. Recently Michael Stronski, a Southwind crew member, has provided additional extraordinary photographs of the event.

The icebreaker Southwind was commissioned as a US Navy vessel on 15 July 1944 but was transferred to the Soviet Union on 25 March 1945 and named Kapitan Belousov. It was returned to the US Navy five years later and renamed Atka. After years of Arctic and Antarctic service it was handed over to the US Coast Guard on 31 October 1966 and reverted to its original name of Southwind. After a refitting its first cruise was to the Antarctic, where it ripped its bottom out in Palmer Bay and limped back to the United States at 10 knots.

In early 1970, UK-based naval units were training in recovery of an Apollo boilerplate capsule (BP-1227) as part of their assigned mission of rescuing Apollo spacecraft in the case of an emergency abort or return to earth. The capsule disappeared at sea. The circumstances of the loss of the capsule are still not clear. It is not known whether a Soviet 'fishing vessel' nearby was in fact a spy trawler and if the capsule was taken as part of an intelligence operation. This photograph shows the capsule in 2002, when it was serving as a time capsule not to be opened until 2076, at Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA.

The story remained obscure and unknown for 32 years until a Hungarian space archivist came across a picture of the event in his archives...

The Investigation - a Remarkable Story of Internet Collective Research

It all began with an e-mail from noted Hungarian space archivist Nandor Schuminszky. He contacted me with an amazing photograph showing an Apollo capsule being handed over from the Soviet Union to American representatives in 1970:


Dear Mark,
I found in my space collection an interesting photo. The Hungarian caption reads: "Murmansk (Soviet harbor). An Apollo capsule is turned over to a US delegate. Soviet fishermen recovered it in the Bay of Biscay. Photo: Hungarian News Agency. Date: September 8, 1970."

I could only imagine this was a water recovery test article lost by the US Navy. Checks of the Field Guide to American Spacecraft and NASA histories showed no record in Western sources of the event. So I posted the picture to the sci.space.history newsgroup. Many were dismissive but several dedicated researchers went on the case. The thread was passed over to sci.military.naval and valuable information was received:

Adam Bootle reported:


I seem to remember a story that one of the UK based recovery forces lost an Apollo boilerplate in the North Sea. And it was picked up by a foreign fishing vessel
They used to practice recovery with boilerplates over here, apparently in case of a badly targeted landing. There's still a boilerplate over here in one of the US Airbases. (Mildenhall I think !)

John Charles confirmed: "...First, it is a Block 2 (looking at the shape of the forward RCS) CM boilerplate. Second, the lettering on the capsule appears to spell NASA in the "standard" font that I have seen on other recovered BPs....The sailors are obviously US Navy, the civilians look like Europeans...."

Eugene L Griessel identified the vessel in the background as a "Wind" class US Coast Guard icebreaker.

The clincher came when another Hungarian correspondent, Tamas Feher came up with a SECOND picture of the event. He wrote:

I checked and found the attached picture in :
"Urhajozasi Lexikon" (Space Research Lexicon) year 1981, ISBN 963 05 2348 5, Publishing House of the Hungarian Academy of Science and Army's publisher "Zrinyi"; Page 33, actual picture size about 2" x 2.5", of course B&W

In the background there are huge, ugly, long buildings, definitely Soviet architecture. It is not quite visible in the scan.

The flag on the ship's nose mast is some dark background, full of lighter color spots (stars?)

The text says: "Raising of an empty Apollo trial-capsule from sea". This looks like garbage to me, I wonder if the cabin is actually being LOADED onto the ship!

I assume both pictures depict the same place, the same time, same scene.

Now this picture quite clearly showed Murmansk in the background and the foredeck of a "Wind" class Coast Guard Icebreaker in the foreground (with the forward gun mount removed, onto which the capsule is being lowered).

As for which specific vessel it could be, a check at Ken Laesser's Coast Guard History site showed that the vessel was the Southwind, which was listed as operating in resupply of Arctic bases in June-November 1970, reaching a record 83 deg N latitude on 15 August. Home based in Baltimore, Maryland, the Southwind matched the vessel in the photos both in having the forward gun mount deleted and in the configuration of the aerials and radar.

This information was then consolidated and then posted back to sci.space.history and the fpspace listserver. The final identification came rapidly. First Jonathan McDowell reported:

...there were a series of Apollo BP's used for similar training. JSC-03600 reports that BP-1204 was with Carrier Task Force 140 at Rota, Spain; BP-1215 was with CTF 130 at Yokoska, Japan; BP-1223 in the Azores. There's no indication of one assigned to the RN but many of the series BP-1201 to BP-1233 don't have any explicit assigned role but were probably used in this kind of operation.

W. David Edwards and Dwayne Allen Day then provided a final identification:

The boilerplate CM lost by the Royal Navy and recovered by the Soviet Union was SN BP-1227. It currently serves as a time capsule in Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA, to be re-opened in 2076! For more information see the website at: http://aesp.nasa.okstate.edu/fie ... pollo/BP-1227.html. The command module boilerplate is now displayed outside the Public Museum of Grand Rapids. The plaque on the side reads:
The Grand Rapids Time Capsule 1976-2076
Dedicated to the people of Grand Rapids
December 31, 1976

This Apollo Command Module (No. SN BP-1227) contains memorabilia, collected by area high school students. This memorabilia reflects life in Grand Rapids, Michigan, at the time of the City's Sesquicentennial and the Nation's Bicentennial.

It was used in training for the recovery of astronauts returning from the moon. During an exercise off the coast of England, it was lost at sea, found by the USSR, and returned.

The module is on loan from the National Air and Space Museum to the people of Grand Rapids and is to be opened July 4, 2076 during our country's Tricentennial.

Finally, the story was rounded out when Joel Carpenter found an Internet message board for members of the Southwind crew and got in touch with participants in the event and obtained first-hand accounts and a US photograph:

Crew member Mike Malone reported: I do remember picking the capsule up in Murmansk. We brought it back to the US but I don't remember where we off-loaded it. It was the USCGC Southwind that was involved and the visit to Murmansk was in between segments of oceanographic surveys in the Barents and Kara seas during the late summer of 1970. As far as I knew the pickup of the capsule was just incidental to a visit that would have occurred anyway and was something of a surprise. We were told that we were the first military vessel into Murmansk since WWII but I don't know if that is confirmed. The visit was kind of a big deal with ceremonies and what not. I'm attaching another picture from the cruise book.

Crew member Nevin Fahnestock remembered: I spent from 3-70 to 12-71....Made two north trips to Greenland, Iceland, Murmansk, Tromso, Portsmouth, Oslo, and Copenhagen. Had Russian icebreaker drift into us in the middle of the night. Have some wonderful memories!!

Phil Jordan recalled:

I was on Southwind from 69-71 as SA/SNBM. Remember BMCM Hamlin, BM1 Williams, Graham Jones, Mike Pendleton, Bobby Padgett, GMI Ray Burr and many more. This is the period of time we made the port call to Murmansk and picked up an American space capsule. We also were gently nudged by a Russian ice breaker in the early morning hours one Saturday. This trip also provided us with the opportunity to make the most northern surface penetration of any US icebreaker (at that time ) 83 -01 North. The memories keep coming. I retired from Sta Little Creek, Va in 1990 as a BMCM.

Years after this article first appeared, Roger R. Reece contributed the following:
I played in a band on board the Southwind and we had the privilege of playing in Murmansk during a reception held in our honor. We were doing well until I sang the Beatles song "Back in the USSR." The band was promptly escorted off the stage and not allowed to continue….I think that I am the first person to have actually had the privilege of singing the song in Russia…This was the one and only visit to a Soviet military port during the cold war to my knowledge. The only thing I can recall is that we were not informed of picking up the Apollo capsule until we were a few days out of Murmansk.

And this came in from Michael Stronski in 2007:

I was there and have pictures of Southwind from the city's high point, a Russian convoy on the streets, the capsule on the ship, pictures of Lenin on store walls, the Russian icebreaker that always followed us, even the Russian pilot that came aboard our ship when we were told that all port holes had to be closed (took heat for that picture, that was a no-no at that time). I was standing at the point of impact when that Russian ship drifted into us. He hit us on the starboard side about 10 feet from the bow and general quarters were sounded…I served on the ship from 1969 to 1972.

Other crew members that remembered the trip to Murmansk were Bobby Padgett , Jeff Williams, and Joe Farrell.

A few details still could be clarified:

1) Can an account be found of the loss of the capsule (dates, which UK or US vessels were involved, in support of which mission - Apollo 13?)

2) The Southwind's visit to Murmansk seems to have been arranged as part of the Nixon/Kissinger/Brezhnev detente policy of the period. The handover of the capsule can be seen in this context as a typically Russian surprise 'goodwill' gesture. Are some details known of the arrangements for this visit? The space capsule was a surprise to the crew. But did the commanding officer know that a capsule would be handed over?

3) Have accounts of the recovery and examination of an Apollo capsule been found in any Soviet spy memoirs?

4) These Block II Apollo boilerplates seem to have a very obscure history. Is anything more known of the rest of them? Are there more details of the history of BP-1227 before and after its recovery and handover? Was the boilerplate returned to service at Portsmouth or returned to NASA in Baltimore?

P1：Michael Stronski's photo of the captured Apollo capsule.

P2：BP-1227 Hoisted Credit- Tamas Feher
The picture that clinched it. Tamas Feher discovered this photo of the 'recovery of an Apollo capsule' in a Hungarian space history book. It actually depicts Apollo BP-1227 being lowered to the deck of the USCG Southwind in Murmansk, USSR, 1970.

P3：Southwind
Credit- US Coast Guard
The USCG Icebreaker that received an Apollo capsule from the Soviet Union at Murmansk, 1971.

P4：BP-1227 Handover
Credit- Nandor Schuminszky
The picture that started it all. Nandor Schuminszky found this Hungarian press photo from 1971, with the caption that it depicted the handover of an American Apollo capsule from the Soviet Union to the USA on September 8, 1970 in Murmansk.

P5：BP-1227 Loaded
Credit- Mike Malone
Apollo BP-1227 is lifted from the pier at Murmansk onto the USCG Southwind, September 8, 1970. From the ship's cruise book.

P6：BP-1227 Today
Credit- © Mark Wade
BP-1227 Today, a time capsule not to be opened until 2076, at Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

P7：BP-1227 Plaque
Credit- © Mark Wade
BP-1227 nameplate, which mentions its recovery by the Soviet Union and handover to the United States.

P8：While in Murmansk the crew was surprised to be presented with an American Apollo capsule, which the Soviets said had been recovered by one of their fishing vessels in the Bay of Biscay. It was BP-1227 - the capsule that had gone missing a year earlier. The handover was made with considerable ceremony and covered by Hungarian press representatives. The capsule was loaded onto the ship at the forward gun mount. Lashed to the deck, it accompanied the Southwind after its departure from Murmansk and later tour of the Kara Sea. This photograph shows the capsule in icy conditions on that part of the voyage.

蘇聯就有被美國當面撈了的先例
火花四射 发表于 2009-5-5 22:02

很好奇，火花说说具体的，给偶们科普一下
老练的民族 发表于 2009-5-5 23:51

这事已经传了很长时间了，但是一直没有相关图片。但是苏联人当年还捞到过阿波罗的返回舱。

飞船（代号BP-1227）是苏联人1969年捞到的，于1970年9月8日交还美国，并由美国海岸警卫队南风号破冰船带回。

以下的文章和图片就是美国海岸警卫队南风号破冰船1970年9月访问莫尔曼斯克时苏联人交还返回舱的文章和图片。

http://www.astronautix.com/articles/sovpsule.htm
In 2002 this web site broke the story that the Soviet Union had recovered an Apollo capsule in 1969 and returned it to the Americans a year later in the extraordinary Cold War visit to Murmansk by the American Coast Guard icebreaker Southwind. Recently Michael Stronski, a Southwind crew member, has provided additional extraordinary photographs of the event.

The icebreaker Southwind was commissioned as a US Navy vessel on 15 July 1944 but was transferred to the Soviet Union on 25 March 1945 and named Kapitan Belousov. It was returned to the US Navy five years later and renamed Atka. After years of Arctic and Antarctic service it was handed over to the US Coast Guard on 31 October 1966 and reverted to its original name of Southwind. After a refitting its first cruise was to the Antarctic, where it ripped its bottom out in Palmer Bay and limped back to the United States at 10 knots.

In early 1970, UK-based naval units were training in recovery of an Apollo boilerplate capsule (BP-1227) as part of their assigned mission of rescuing Apollo spacecraft in the case of an emergency abort or return to earth. The capsule disappeared at sea. The circumstances of the loss of the capsule are still not clear. It is not known whether a Soviet 'fishing vessel' nearby was in fact a spy trawler and if the capsule was taken as part of an intelligence operation. This photograph shows the capsule in 2002, when it was serving as a time capsule not to be opened until 2076, at Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA.

The story remained obscure and unknown for 32 years until a Hungarian space archivist came across a picture of the event in his archives...

The Investigation - a Remarkable Story of Internet Collective Research

It all began with an e-mail from noted Hungarian space archivist Nandor Schuminszky. He contacted me with an amazing photograph showing an Apollo capsule being handed over from the Soviet Union to American representatives in 1970:


Dear Mark,
I found in my space collection an interesting photo. The Hungarian caption reads: "Murmansk (Soviet harbor). An Apollo capsule is turned over to a US delegate. Soviet fishermen recovered it in the Bay of Biscay. Photo: Hungarian News Agency. Date: September 8, 1970."

I could only imagine this was a water recovery test article lost by the US Navy. Checks of the Field Guide to American Spacecraft and NASA histories showed no record in Western sources of the event. So I posted the picture to the sci.space.history newsgroup. Many were dismissive but several dedicated researchers went on the case. The thread was passed over to sci.military.naval and valuable information was received:

Adam Bootle reported:


I seem to remember a story that one of the UK based recovery forces lost an Apollo boilerplate in the North Sea. And it was picked up by a foreign fishing vessel
They used to practice recovery with boilerplates over here, apparently in case of a badly targeted landing. There's still a boilerplate over here in one of the US Airbases. (Mildenhall I think !)

John Charles confirmed: "...First, it is a Block 2 (looking at the shape of the forward RCS) CM boilerplate. Second, the lettering on the capsule appears to spell NASA in the "standard" font that I have seen on other recovered BPs....The sailors are obviously US Navy, the civilians look like Europeans...."

Eugene L Griessel identified the vessel in the background as a "Wind" class US Coast Guard icebreaker.

The clincher came when another Hungarian correspondent, Tamas Feher came up with a SECOND picture of the event. He wrote:

I checked and found the attached picture in :
"Urhajozasi Lexikon" (Space Research Lexicon) year 1981, ISBN 963 05 2348 5, Publishing House of the Hungarian Academy of Science and Army's publisher "Zrinyi"; Page 33, actual picture size about 2" x 2.5", of course B&W

In the background there are huge, ugly, long buildings, definitely Soviet architecture. It is not quite visible in the scan.

The flag on the ship's nose mast is some dark background, full of lighter color spots (stars?)

The text says: "Raising of an empty Apollo trial-capsule from sea". This looks like garbage to me, I wonder if the cabin is actually being LOADED onto the ship!

I assume both pictures depict the same place, the same time, same scene.

Now this picture quite clearly showed Murmansk in the background and the foredeck of a "Wind" class Coast Guard Icebreaker in the foreground (with the forward gun mount removed, onto which the capsule is being lowered).

As for which specific vessel it could be, a check at Ken Laesser's Coast Guard History site showed that the vessel was the Southwind, which was listed as operating in resupply of Arctic bases in June-November 1970, reaching a record 83 deg N latitude on 15 August. Home based in Baltimore, Maryland, the Southwind matched the vessel in the photos both in having the forward gun mount deleted and in the configuration of the aerials and radar.

This information was then consolidated and then posted back to sci.space.history and the fpspace listserver. The final identification came rapidly. First Jonathan McDowell reported:

...there were a series of Apollo BP's used for similar training. JSC-03600 reports that BP-1204 was with Carrier Task Force 140 at Rota, Spain; BP-1215 was with CTF 130 at Yokoska, Japan; BP-1223 in the Azores. There's no indication of one assigned to the RN but many of the series BP-1201 to BP-1233 don't have any explicit assigned role but were probably used in this kind of operation.

W. David Edwards and Dwayne Allen Day then provided a final identification:

The boilerplate CM lost by the Royal Navy and recovered by the Soviet Union was SN BP-1227. It currently serves as a time capsule in Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA, to be re-opened in 2076! For more information see the website at: http://aesp.nasa.okstate.edu/fie ... pollo/BP-1227.html. The command module boilerplate is now displayed outside the Public Museum of Grand Rapids. The plaque on the side reads:
The Grand Rapids Time Capsule 1976-2076
Dedicated to the people of Grand Rapids
December 31, 1976

This Apollo Command Module (No. SN BP-1227) contains memorabilia, collected by area high school students. This memorabilia reflects life in Grand Rapids, Michigan, at the time of the City's Sesquicentennial and the Nation's Bicentennial.

It was used in training for the recovery of astronauts returning from the moon. During an exercise off the coast of England, it was lost at sea, found by the USSR, and returned.

The module is on loan from the National Air and Space Museum to the people of Grand Rapids and is to be opened July 4, 2076 during our country's Tricentennial.

Finally, the story was rounded out when Joel Carpenter found an Internet message board for members of the Southwind crew and got in touch with participants in the event and obtained first-hand accounts and a US photograph:

Crew member Mike Malone reported: I do remember picking the capsule up in Murmansk. We brought it back to the US but I don't remember where we off-loaded it. It was the USCGC Southwind that was involved and the visit to Murmansk was in between segments of oceanographic surveys in the Barents and Kara seas during the late summer of 1970. As far as I knew the pickup of the capsule was just incidental to a visit that would have occurred anyway and was something of a surprise. We were told that we were the first military vessel into Murmansk since WWII but I don't know if that is confirmed. The visit was kind of a big deal with ceremonies and what not. I'm attaching another picture from the cruise book.

Crew member Nevin Fahnestock remembered: I spent from 3-70 to 12-71....Made two north trips to Greenland, Iceland, Murmansk, Tromso, Portsmouth, Oslo, and Copenhagen. Had Russian icebreaker drift into us in the middle of the night. Have some wonderful memories!!

Phil Jordan recalled:

I was on Southwind from 69-71 as SA/SNBM. Remember BMCM Hamlin, BM1 Williams, Graham Jones, Mike Pendleton, Bobby Padgett, GMI Ray Burr and many more. This is the period of time we made the port call to Murmansk and picked up an American space capsule. We also were gently nudged by a Russian ice breaker in the early morning hours one Saturday. This trip also provided us with the opportunity to make the most northern surface penetration of any US icebreaker (at that time ) 83 -01 North. The memories keep coming. I retired from Sta Little Creek, Va in 1990 as a BMCM.

Years after this article first appeared, Roger R. Reece contributed the following:
I played in a band on board the Southwind and we had the privilege of playing in Murmansk during a reception held in our honor. We were doing well until I sang the Beatles song "Back in the USSR." The band was promptly escorted off the stage and not allowed to continue….I think that I am the first person to have actually had the privilege of singing the song in Russia…This was the one and only visit to a Soviet military port during the cold war to my knowledge. The only thing I can recall is that we were not informed of picking up the Apollo capsule until we were a few days out of Murmansk.

And this came in from Michael Stronski in 2007:

I was there and have pictures of Southwind from the city's high point, a Russian convoy on the streets, the capsule on the ship, pictures of Lenin on store walls, the Russian icebreaker that always followed us, even the Russian pilot that came aboard our ship when we were told that all port holes had to be closed (took heat for that picture, that was a no-no at that time). I was standing at the point of impact when that Russian ship drifted into us. He hit us on the starboard side about 10 feet from the bow and general quarters were sounded…I served on the ship from 1969 to 1972.

Other crew members that remembered the trip to Murmansk were Bobby Padgett , Jeff Williams, and Joe Farrell.

A few details still could be clarified:

1) Can an account be found of the loss of the capsule (dates, which UK or US vessels were involved, in support of which mission - Apollo 13?)

2) The Southwind's visit to Murmansk seems to have been arranged as part of the Nixon/Kissinger/Brezhnev detente policy of the period. The handover of the capsule can be seen in this context as a typically Russian surprise 'goodwill' gesture. Are some details known of the arrangements for this visit? The space capsule was a surprise to the crew. But did the commanding officer know that a capsule would be handed over?

3) Have accounts of the recovery and examination of an Apollo capsule been found in any Soviet spy memoirs?

4) These Block II Apollo boilerplates seem to have a very obscure history. Is anything more known of the rest of them? Are there more details of the history of BP-1227 before and after its recovery and handover? Was the boilerplate returned to service at Portsmouth or returned to NASA in Baltimore?

P1：Michael Stronski's photo of the captured Apollo capsule.

P2：BP-1227 Hoisted Credit- Tamas Feher
The picture that clinched it. Tamas Feher discovered this photo of the 'recovery of an Apollo capsule' in a Hungarian space history book. It actually depicts Apollo BP-1227 being lowered to the deck of the USCG Southwind in Murmansk, USSR, 1970.

P3：Southwind
Credit- US Coast Guard
The USCG Icebreaker that received an Apollo capsule from the Soviet Union at Murmansk, 1971.

P4：BP-1227 Handover
Credit- Nandor Schuminszky
The picture that started it all. Nandor Schuminszky found this Hungarian press photo from 1971, with the caption that it depicted the handover of an American Apollo capsule from the Soviet Union to the USA on September 8, 1970 in Murmansk.

P5：BP-1227 Loaded
Credit- Mike Malone
Apollo BP-1227 is lifted from the pier at Murmansk onto the USCG Southwind, September 8, 1970. From the ship's cruise book.

P6：BP-1227 Today
Credit- © Mark Wade
BP-1227 Today, a time capsule not to be opened until 2076, at Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

P7：BP-1227 Plaque
Credit- © Mark Wade
BP-1227 nameplate, which mentions its recovery by the Soviet Union and handover to the United States.

P8：While in Murmansk the crew was surprised to be presented with an American Apollo capsule, which the Soviets said had been recovered by one of their fishing vessels in the Bay of Biscay. It was BP-1227 - the capsule that had gone missing a year earlier. The handover was made with considerable ceremony and covered by Hungarian press representatives. The capsule was loaded onto the ship at the forward gun mount. Lashed to the deck, it accompanied the Southwind after its departure from Murmansk and later tour of the Kara Sea. This photograph shows the capsule in icy conditions on that part of the voyage.

Fan1 发表于 2009-5-6 09:57

才看了火花写的美国捞苏联的，这个苏联抢阿波罗又是哪一出啊？

老练的民族 发表于 2009-5-6 10:00

看一看修改后的回复就明白了。

希佩尔 发表于 2009-5-5 21:30

距离编队“4000公里”？！？

前面不说了么
1400KM

天之蓝海之蓝 发表于 2009-5-5 21:57
不太相信，新西兰有这么高的觉悟当雷锋，替别人卖命？！

鱼缸养龙 发表于 2009-5-5 21:30

问题是朝鲜除非有别的国家帮忙全程检测，否则估计他自己都不知道导弹打到哪去了，更不用说和TG一样派海军提前赶到那准备打捞:D

越看越糊涂

这种事谁手快谁捞着。。。朝鲜目前是射后不管，所以应该没有所谓的数据仓的吧。。

天之蓝海之蓝 发表于 2009-5-6 09:06
后来中国军舰采取了联欢会形式在两边都与对方舰艇交往,另外一边在发射火箭,,后来别国直升机就打捞了一桶染色剂染色后的海水:D

好像还说过当时有外方船只直闯测控海域