印度开始研发MCA了

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India set to build Medium Combat Aircraft
Ajai Shukla / Bangalore May 02, 2009, 0:11 IST

With India’s home-built Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) — the Tejas — flying successfully through its testing process, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has now signed up for an indigenous Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA). Within days, the IAF and a team of aircraft designers will formally set up a joint committee to frame the specifications for India’s own MCA, which will be built largely in Bangalore.

The MCA’s design team will centre on the agencies that have built the LCA: the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA); the National Aeronautics Laboratory (NAL); Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL); and a host of Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) laboratories that will develop futuristic sensors and systems for the MCA.

The director of ADA, Dr PS Subramaniam, confirmed to Business Standard, “The joint committee is likely to be formed within two or three weeks. This committee will finalise what will go into the MCA, as well as the budget and development schedule.”

According to Dr Subramaniam, the programme will aim to develop the MCA and build five to six prototypes at a cost of Rs 5,000 crore. That is approximately the same amount that has gone into the LCA programme.

With this, Indian aeronautical designers will be working in all the fighter categories. In the light fighter category (10-11 tonnes), the Tejas LCA is expected to get operational clearance in 2011; the MCA will be India’s first foray into the medium fighter category (14-15 tonnes); and in the heavy fighter category (20 tonnes plus), currently ruled by the Russian Sukhoi-30MKI, Indian designers plan to partner their Russian counterparts in developing the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA).

Interestingly, the decision to develop an indigenous MCA comes alongside the overseas procurement of 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) for an estimated Rs 50,000 crore. Senior IAF planners point out that the MMRCA procurement is unavoidable for replacing the MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s that will become obsolete while the MCA is still being developed.

By 2020, when the IAF’s current fleet would have been largely phased out, MoD planners forecast a requirement for at least 250 medium fighters. This has raised hopes amongst the MMRCA contenders (the US F/A-18 and F-16, Russia’s Mig-35; the Eurofighter Typhoon; and the Swedish Gripen) that the winner could end up supplying twice as many fighters as the current tender. But a successful Indian MCA programme would cap the MMRCA procurement at 126 fighters. After that, the MCA production will kick in.

The MCA designers plan to pursue technologies superior to anything currently on offer. The ADA director points out, “None of the MMRCA contenders will be state-of-the-art in 2015-2017. But the MCA will; it will incorporate the technologies of the future, which currently feature only on the US Air Force’s F-22 Raptor.”

India’s aeronautical designers see the MCA programme as crucial for taking forward the expertise that has been painstakingly accumulated in the Tejas LCA programme. The IAF is in agreement; and the Rama Rao Committee, set up for restructuring the DRDO, has recommended that programmes must be created to provide continuity for designers.

Says a senior MoD official: “With great difficulty we have built up a team that can design a complete combat aircraft. After a couple of years, when the LCA goes into production, there will be no design work left. Without another aircraft programme to work on, we will lose this team, having attained this level.”

http://www.business-standard.com ... at-aircraft/356861/

就是说在经过很多努力后,lca将要量产,印度空军签了合同要研发MCA。请大家注意黑体部分,印度认为LCA已经研发完毕,没有问题了。这和我们平常得到的消息(i.e. LCA问题很大)好像不一样。不知事实到底是怎么样。India set to build Medium Combat Aircraft
Ajai Shukla / Bangalore May 02, 2009, 0:11 IST

With India’s home-built Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) — the Tejas — flying successfully through its testing process, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has now signed up for an indigenous Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA). Within days, the IAF and a team of aircraft designers will formally set up a joint committee to frame the specifications for India’s own MCA, which will be built largely in Bangalore.

The MCA’s design team will centre on the agencies that have built the LCA: the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA); the National Aeronautics Laboratory (NAL); Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL); and a host of Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) laboratories that will develop futuristic sensors and systems for the MCA.

The director of ADA, Dr PS Subramaniam, confirmed to Business Standard, “The joint committee is likely to be formed within two or three weeks. This committee will finalise what will go into the MCA, as well as the budget and development schedule.”

According to Dr Subramaniam, the programme will aim to develop the MCA and build five to six prototypes at a cost of Rs 5,000 crore. That is approximately the same amount that has gone into the LCA programme.

With this, Indian aeronautical designers will be working in all the fighter categories. In the light fighter category (10-11 tonnes), the Tejas LCA is expected to get operational clearance in 2011; the MCA will be India’s first foray into the medium fighter category (14-15 tonnes); and in the heavy fighter category (20 tonnes plus), currently ruled by the Russian Sukhoi-30MKI, Indian designers plan to partner their Russian counterparts in developing the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA).

Interestingly, the decision to develop an indigenous MCA comes alongside the overseas procurement of 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) for an estimated Rs 50,000 crore. Senior IAF planners point out that the MMRCA procurement is unavoidable for replacing the MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s that will become obsolete while the MCA is still being developed.

By 2020, when the IAF’s current fleet would have been largely phased out, MoD planners forecast a requirement for at least 250 medium fighters. This has raised hopes amongst the MMRCA contenders (the US F/A-18 and F-16, Russia’s Mig-35; the Eurofighter Typhoon; and the Swedish Gripen) that the winner could end up supplying twice as many fighters as the current tender. But a successful Indian MCA programme would cap the MMRCA procurement at 126 fighters. After that, the MCA production will kick in.

The MCA designers plan to pursue technologies superior to anything currently on offer. The ADA director points out, “None of the MMRCA contenders will be state-of-the-art in 2015-2017. But the MCA will; it will incorporate the technologies of the future, which currently feature only on the US Air Force’s F-22 Raptor.”

India’s aeronautical designers see the MCA programme as crucial for taking forward the expertise that has been painstakingly accumulated in the Tejas LCA programme. The IAF is in agreement; and the Rama Rao Committee, set up for restructuring the DRDO, has recommended that programmes must be created to provide continuity for designers.

Says a senior MoD official: “With great difficulty we have built up a team that can design a complete combat aircraft. After a couple of years, when the LCA goes into production, there will be no design work left. Without another aircraft programme to work on, we will lose this team, having attained this level.”

http://www.business-standard.com ... at-aircraft/356861/

就是说在经过很多努力后,lca将要量产,印度空军签了合同要研发MCA。请大家注意黑体部分,印度认为LCA已经研发完毕,没有问题了。这和我们平常得到的消息(i.e. LCA问题很大)好像不一样。不知事实到底是怎么样。
MCA仅次于F22...搞不懂了,LCA都仅次于F22啦,怎么MCA还不能超越F22?三哥竟然容忍如此不和谐的事发生?
哎,估计人家打算很快上马HCA,那个绝对超过22了。
霸气,太霸气了,这么能这么霸气呢……
不是没问题,而是没有新技术的工程设计工作。
期待LCA!!!
难怪美帝急着推销F35,原来LCA一投产F35在印度就落后鸟了!
问题是我们也没得到关于LCA量产的消息,反而是印空军外购三位数的战机以进行换代。。。。
补充文中若干信息:基本还是由研发LCA的机构来做MCA,中型战斗机,14-15吨,重型战斗机方面将和俄国共同研发第五代战机,外购的126架战机将是mirage2000和MCA之间的过渡,到2020年印度需要260架中型战机。印度认为MCA比已知的所有型号都先进,只有F22比得过。。。(还是F22高人总结的好啊,太不和谐了。。。)
怎么审核制度使我不能回复我的帖子?再发个回复试试。。。
我翻译了一下文章,结果既不能修改也不能回复,需要审核。。。现在审核的都没了。。。
开盘了,看这次要多长时间才能以实物飞上天咯。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
我先下注是2035年
原文黑体部分 "After a couple of years, when the LCA goes into production, there will be no design work left."

许多年后.....当LCA进入量产阶段,就没有什么余下的设计工作了~~~~~

那要多少年后呀??
不知道
lca 印度钓鱼工程 [:a4:]
这个图片,大概出现在95-96年的兵器知识上,最后面得新闻里,讲的MCA计划,对这个印象特别深刻,就是觉得气动外形很有特点。只是不知现在计划如何。
这年头...连MRCA都开始踩F35了...
好强大呀,不过印度航空研发体系都不健全如何开发新战机
阿3也是YY高手
对三哥无语了。还不如直接把X32买回来,从新喷涂三哥自己的南亚涂装,在那硕大无朋的背面上写着“MCA”,能不能用不说,拍个40亿美刀给波音,好歹能飞过M1.20吧!兴许人品一爆发,还能上舰了,三哥满赛!
看看而已 发表于 2009-5-4 12:09

MCA这个无垂尾滴方案咋看咋象中型靶机
MS还是BUMP进气道?
skyfox2006 发表于 2009-5-4 12:45
这个方案在当时su37的推力矢量出现前后现身的,su37当年可是轰动航展,所以推力矢量也成了大热门。所以MCA用了推力矢量发动机。那个时候JSF还没确切消息仍在招标,更别说BUMP了,呵呵。
楼主你仔细看看原文,
Within days, the IAF and a team of aircraft designers will formally set up a joint committee to frame the specifications for India’s own MCA
MCA的需求规划小组都还没成立

After a couple of years, when the LCA goes into production。。。
还要等几年后LCA可以进入量产后

According to Dr Subramaniam, the programme will aim to develop the MCA and build five to six prototypes at a cost of Rs 5,000 crore. That is approximately the same amount that has gone into the LCA programme
目标是用LCA造了7架原型机的费用,造出F22水平的5-6架MCA原型机。

而且是2015-2017年间就造出来,LCA只能搓叹自己发育迟缓,同一帮设计师,一样的投资金额,难度更低,咋就死活还在试飞呢。
The ADA director points out, “None of the MMRCA contenders will be state-of-the-art in 2015-2017. But the MCA will; it will incorporate the technologies of the future, which currently feature only on the US Air Force’s F-22 Raptor.”
MCA比LCA还便宜么……
我知道会有人这样说的。
23楼的朋友,一般表示将来,使用in而不是after,也就是说After a couple of years, when the LCA goes into production实际上表示的是现在,如果是将来,将会用in a couple of years

我记得当年我作phd dissertation的proposal的时候,我的导师专门给我纠正过这个问题,呵呵。
另外我翻译了这篇文章的主要内容,但是既无法修改原文也不能增添回帖,因为审查都通不过,而且也没保存,所以大家都没看到。
看看而已 发表于 2009-5-4 12:54

从正面几乎看不到进气道,这搞滴是啥玩意儿?
另外我翻译了这篇文章的主要内容,但是既无法修改原文也不能增添回帖,因为审查都通不过,而且也没保存,所以大家都没看到。
skyfox2006 发表于 2009-5-4 13:11
应该是在原LCA腹部进气道的位置,可能不太明显,毕竟这是个初期方案呵呵。
从“老长啊”发展到如今的“漫长啊”,多少年,多少代,寄托了多少天竺国航空人的梦想,翻开这段尘封已久的历史,禁不住为这个文明古国伟大而曲折的航空史潸然泪下。


ls表语法鸟,After a couple of years现在没错,,问题素别看前面呢,看看后面主句和时间状语从句吧。[:a1:]

ls表语法鸟,After a couple of years现在没错,,问题素别看前面呢,看看后面主句和时间状语从句吧。[:a1:]
鬼斧 发表于 2009-5-4 13:20
鬼斧高人,把你珍藏的MCA的方案图都拿出来吧:D
nanmin 发表于 2009-5-4 11:53
字面的意思是两年左右,但是三哥的时间度量和我们的好像不太一样:D
will be no design work left...
怎么说呢,是偶理解有误,还是这个“a senior MoD official”已经逻辑混乱、语无伦次了呢?after a couple of years 本意就是LSS说的“几年后(的现在)”吧,后边又when又will的...
there will be no design work left 只能认为阿三就这么凑合了,不再为LCA操心了..否则换发成F414、EJ200还得折腾几年功夫呢;P
nanmin 发表于 2009-5-4 11:53
你的理解有问题。这句话的准确翻译是:“在经历了许多年之后,当LCA现在开始生产的时候,已经没有遗留的设计工作需要做了。”
这里的“a couple of years”,是说已经经历了一些年,不是要再过一些年。
一条流浪的老狗 发表于 2009-5-4 11:50

我就厚道点,下注2029年。
flyingmind 发表于 2009-5-4 13:25
兴许印度1年要3650天吧:D
看看而已 发表于 2009-5-4 12:09

哇塞,进气道都不要了,难道是传说中的聚变核发动机?{:3_78:}
又是一个古老的传说,上个世纪都听说过MCA,就是。。。。。