西工大在搞天顶星技术?

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这要能搞成,很有点意思了.不,TG的太空推进技术就一步登天了.这里有西工大的学子/老师吗?能否透露进一部的消息.[:a6:]

China Building Electromagnetic Drive (Emdrive)

http://www.dailytech.com/Rejecte ... ve/article13054.htm


Mr. Shawyer claims his new drive will put existing
ion drives to shame. Rejected by the Australia,
Britain, and U.S. firms, he's
developing his ideas in
China.  (Source: New Scientist)


A prototype of the drive is seen here. It uses a
tapered cavity to supposedly produce thrust.
Despite scathing criticism in the research
community, China is investing big in the
technology, hoping it will give them a military
edge.  (Source: Wired)

DailyTech has reported on plenty of exotic propulsion technologies.  From plasma engines to laser engines, the field of space propulsion is full of quirky ideas, many with big financial backing from NASA.  Thus it takes a really strange idea to stand out.  The story of Roger Shawyer and his "direct electricity" rocket is such a story.

Roger Shawyer's began his career entirely within the system.  He worked his way up through the ranks and eventually became a senior aerospace engineer at Matra Marconi Space (later part of EADS Astrium) in Portsmouth, UK.  There he supervised the design of radar and communications systems.  Mr. Shawyer even served as a consultant on the Galileo project, Europe's satellite navigation system.

Then he came up with an idea that many would call crazy.

He drew up plans for an exotic space engine unlike any the world had seen.  It would use a relativistic trick, first envision by Allen Cullen in the 1950s, to convert electricity into microwaves, which would then provide a supposedly incredible thrust.  At Astrium, his outlandish ideas were met with scorn.  He recalls, "I was told in no uncertain terms to drop it.  This came from the very top."

So Mr. Shawyer went rogue, leaving his cushy desk job to design his engine, the EmDrive on his own.  Reportedly he succeeded.  In September 2006, he announced he had created a 9 kg prototype which consumed 700 W of power and outputted 88 millinewtons of force.  Then in May 2007, Eureka carried news that Mr. Shawyer claimed to have upped his rocket's capacity to 96.1 millinewtons on 300 W (an over 100 percent performance boost), and better yet the new rocket was capable of continuous operation and its microwave generator did not burn out like the last.

Mr. Shawyer claimed his device worked based on a tapered cavity.  Microwaves bouncing inside this cavity would normally cancel out forces in Newtonian mechanics.  However, Mr. Shawyer believed under Einstein's relativistic mechanics, the taper would cause force to build on one side.  And he claimed to have proof of it.  Further, by limiting microwave conversion to heat, by lining the cavity walls with superconductor, Mr. Shawyer said he could produce a 30 N thrust on a single watt, increasing the prototype's efficiency by nearly 100,000 times.

Criticism was quick to come, though.  Mr. Shawyer's papers and prototypes had not been reproduced or peer reviewed, fueling skepticism.  Worse yet, John Costella, a theoretical physicist and electrical engineer who works for the Australian Department of Defense, whose Ph.D. is in relativistic electrodynamics, the field that Mr. Shawyers research draws upon, blasted the drive in an article in the magazine New Scientist, after Mr. Shawyer submit a paper for it.

Professor Costella stated in his scathing review, "It is well known that Roger Shawyer's 'electromagnetic relativity drive' violates the law of conservation of momentum, making it simply the latest in a long line of 'perpetuum mobiles' that have been proposed and disproved for centuries.  His analysis is rubbish and his 'drive' impossible."

Ostracized in the U.S., in Europe, and in Australia, Mr. Shawyer turned to a country with ambitious space goals of its own and a penchant to think outside of the box -- China.  Satellite Propulsion Research (SPR), Mr. Shawyer's company, has worked out a lucrative new deal with the Chinese government to develop the tech.  What's more, Chinese physicists assisting Sawyer claim they are developing theoretical simulations that will "prove" the drive works.

Mr. Shawyer recently was interviewed by Wired magazine's "Danger Room" column and stated, "NPU started their research program in June 2007, under the supervision of Professor Yang Juan. They have independently developed a mathematical simulation which shows unequivocally that a net force can be produced from a simple resonant tapered cavity.  The thrust levels predicted by this simulation are similar to those resulting from the SPR design software, and the SPR test results."

He goes on to say that the Northwestern Polytechnical University (NPU) in Xi'an, a leading government controlled Chinese university is manufacturing a prototype of his device.  Professor Yang confirmed this, stating, "I could confirm that our mathematical simulation gives the results Dr. Roger Shawyer told you. Now we are submitting our result to a journal. It is now under the consideration of the editor.  We also developed a tapered cavity and are preparing an experiment which will be completed at the end of this year."

The new drive, if it indeed works, would not help with launching objects into space.  What it would be useful for is in-space propulsion.  Most sci-fi writers envisioned "sublight" engines, and the direct electricity drive would do precisely that.  If the Chinese get it working, it will give them a distinct military edge in space.  A flight to Mars might take only 41 days.  Further, it will cut the weight and costs of satellites approximately in half, as satellites require heavy boosters to maintain orbit.  In short, the drive would revolutionize much of spaceflight and give China the dominance it dreams of -- if it works.

Mr. Shawyer says he would like to deal with the U.S. as well, but says communications have died.  He states, "the flight thruster program is on hold for the present. [O]nce the U.K. government had provided an export license for a U.S. military application, the major U.S. aerospace company we had been dealing with stopped talking to us."

Meanwhile he and the Chinese are awaiting the peer review of their research.  And the real test will not be in the response, which has already evoked mixed opinions, but simply whether the prototypes work -- and whether China's expensive and radical gamble in one man's rebellious dream has paid off.这要能搞成,很有点意思了.不,TG的太空推进技术就一步登天了.这里有西工大的学子/老师吗?能否透露进一部的消息.[:a6:]

China Building Electromagnetic Drive (Emdrive)

http://www.dailytech.com/Rejecte ... ve/article13054.htm


Mr. Shawyer claims his new drive will put existing
ion drives to shame. Rejected by the Australia,
Britain, and U.S. firms, he's
developing his ideas in
China.  (Source: New Scientist)


A prototype of the drive is seen here. It uses a
tapered cavity to supposedly produce thrust.
Despite scathing criticism in the research
community, China is investing big in the
technology, hoping it will give them a military
edge.  (Source: Wired)

DailyTech has reported on plenty of exotic propulsion technologies.  From plasma engines to laser engines, the field of space propulsion is full of quirky ideas, many with big financial backing from NASA.  Thus it takes a really strange idea to stand out.  The story of Roger Shawyer and his "direct electricity" rocket is such a story.

Roger Shawyer's began his career entirely within the system.  He worked his way up through the ranks and eventually became a senior aerospace engineer at Matra Marconi Space (later part of EADS Astrium) in Portsmouth, UK.  There he supervised the design of radar and communications systems.  Mr. Shawyer even served as a consultant on the Galileo project, Europe's satellite navigation system.

Then he came up with an idea that many would call crazy.

He drew up plans for an exotic space engine unlike any the world had seen.  It would use a relativistic trick, first envision by Allen Cullen in the 1950s, to convert electricity into microwaves, which would then provide a supposedly incredible thrust.  At Astrium, his outlandish ideas were met with scorn.  He recalls, "I was told in no uncertain terms to drop it.  This came from the very top."

So Mr. Shawyer went rogue, leaving his cushy desk job to design his engine, the EmDrive on his own.  Reportedly he succeeded.  In September 2006, he announced he had created a 9 kg prototype which consumed 700 W of power and outputted 88 millinewtons of force.  Then in May 2007, Eureka carried news that Mr. Shawyer claimed to have upped his rocket's capacity to 96.1 millinewtons on 300 W (an over 100 percent performance boost), and better yet the new rocket was capable of continuous operation and its microwave generator did not burn out like the last.

Mr. Shawyer claimed his device worked based on a tapered cavity.  Microwaves bouncing inside this cavity would normally cancel out forces in Newtonian mechanics.  However, Mr. Shawyer believed under Einstein's relativistic mechanics, the taper would cause force to build on one side.  And he claimed to have proof of it.  Further, by limiting microwave conversion to heat, by lining the cavity walls with superconductor, Mr. Shawyer said he could produce a 30 N thrust on a single watt, increasing the prototype's efficiency by nearly 100,000 times.

Criticism was quick to come, though.  Mr. Shawyer's papers and prototypes had not been reproduced or peer reviewed, fueling skepticism.  Worse yet, John Costella, a theoretical physicist and electrical engineer who works for the Australian Department of Defense, whose Ph.D. is in relativistic electrodynamics, the field that Mr. Shawyers research draws upon, blasted the drive in an article in the magazine New Scientist, after Mr. Shawyer submit a paper for it.

Professor Costella stated in his scathing review, "It is well known that Roger Shawyer's 'electromagnetic relativity drive' violates the law of conservation of momentum, making it simply the latest in a long line of 'perpetuum mobiles' that have been proposed and disproved for centuries.  His analysis is rubbish and his 'drive' impossible."

Ostracized in the U.S., in Europe, and in Australia, Mr. Shawyer turned to a country with ambitious space goals of its own and a penchant to think outside of the box -- China.  Satellite Propulsion Research (SPR), Mr. Shawyer's company, has worked out a lucrative new deal with the Chinese government to develop the tech.  What's more, Chinese physicists assisting Sawyer claim they are developing theoretical simulations that will "prove" the drive works.

Mr. Shawyer recently was interviewed by Wired magazine's "Danger Room" column and stated, "NPU started their research program in June 2007, under the supervision of Professor Yang Juan. They have independently developed a mathematical simulation which shows unequivocally that a net force can be produced from a simple resonant tapered cavity.  The thrust levels predicted by this simulation are similar to those resulting from the SPR design software, and the SPR test results."

He goes on to say that the Northwestern Polytechnical University (NPU) in Xi'an, a leading government controlled Chinese university is manufacturing a prototype of his device.  Professor Yang confirmed this, stating, "I could confirm that our mathematical simulation gives the results Dr. Roger Shawyer told you. Now we are submitting our result to a journal. It is now under the consideration of the editor.  We also developed a tapered cavity and are preparing an experiment which will be completed at the end of this year."

The new drive, if it indeed works, would not help with launching objects into space.  What it would be useful for is in-space propulsion.  Most sci-fi writers envisioned "sublight" engines, and the direct electricity drive would do precisely that.  If the Chinese get it working, it will give them a distinct military edge in space.  A flight to Mars might take only 41 days.  Further, it will cut the weight and costs of satellites approximately in half, as satellites require heavy boosters to maintain orbit.  In short, the drive would revolutionize much of spaceflight and give China the dominance it dreams of -- if it works.

Mr. Shawyer says he would like to deal with the U.S. as well, but says communications have died.  He states, "the flight thruster program is on hold for the present. [O]nce the U.K. government had provided an export license for a U.S. military application, the major U.S. aerospace company we had been dealing with stopped talking to us."

Meanwhile he and the Chinese are awaiting the peer review of their research.  And the real test will not be in the response, which has already evoked mixed opinions, but simply whether the prototypes work -- and whether China's expensive and radical gamble in one man's rebellious dream has paid off.
看不懂,飘过
电火箭?等离子火箭?
微波驱动发动机?
电力需求:700瓦对700瓦
推力70微吨(?单位看不清)对88微吨
寿命1.6年对15年
重量94公斤对9公斤……
离子发动机的高级版?
假如是等离子发动机的话,不算天顶星技术吧,只是小卫星机动技术。因为在太空环境中,微小的推力就能让飞船变轨道,因此等离子推进是非常合用的技术,但是貌似用来做火箭升空不现实,推重比完全不够。
[:a2:] :D

中国的研究者声称,他们已经证实了“不可能”的太空驱动器背后的理论,并且正在建造一个太空驱动器模型。如果他们是对的,这将改变卫星发射的经济格局,为空间探索开辟新的可能,并赋予中国的太空军事决定性的优势。

“"Emdrive”(electromagnetic drive的缩写,也就是电磁驱动)概念备受争议。创造了一概念的英国科学家Roger Shawyer认为,Emdrive能把电力通过微波转变为推进力并不违背物理定律。但很多科学家不这样认为。《新科学家》刊载的一篇关于Emdrive的文章引来了众多批评,科学家们认为Shawyer的工作明显不可能,推理也是错误的,还认为这篇文章根本不应该登出来。

“Roger Shawyer的‘电磁相对论驱动’违背了能量守恒定律,是不断提出来又不断被否定的永动机的最新版本,”澳大利亚物理学家John Costella写道,“他的分析都是垃圾,这种驱动是不可能的。”

Shawyer坚定维护自己的理论。他的公司——人造卫星推进研究公司(SPR),已经造出了引擎的原型,用一个充满微波的锥形共振腔制造推进力。他坚持认为这并非永动机,也没有违反能量守恒定律,因为驱动器和里面的微波使用不同的坐标系。Shawyer说他最大的挑战是要让人们真正了解他的观点,而不是简单地予以否定。

一般来说这种大胆的断言通常都是由一些自学成才的山寨发明家做出的,他们声称爱因斯坦是错的。但是Shawyer为欧洲太空企业EADS Astrium工作,是个研究雷达和通信系统的项目经理。他的理论以爱因斯坦的理论为前提,推进器原理也是相对论效应的结果,在经典牛顿物理学范围不适用。许多人由于不认同他的工作而离开,英国政府的赞助也停止了。他通过美国和中国的一些投资维持,现在中国西安的西北工业大学终于等到结果了。

“西北工业大学在2007年6月启动了这个研究项目,负责人是杨娟(音译)教授。他们独立开发了一个数学模型,能够清晰证明简单的锥形共振腔能产生合力。” Shawyer告诉作者,“这一模型得出的推进力水平和SPR设计的软件得出的结果一致。”而且,西北工业大学“正在制造”基于这一理论的“推进器”。

“我能保证我们的数学模型能给出Roger Shawyer博士告诉你的结论。我们正把研究结果递交到专业期刊上,编辑们正在审阅,”杨教授补充道,“我们还开发出了锥形腔,正在为今年底的试验做准备。”

不言而喻,独立的实验结果很重要——虽然很多人想在相关的杂志上看到论文发表,但我怀疑什么时候争论才能停止都还不一定。杨教授在这一领域积累了很多经验,以前也曾作过微波等离子推进的研究,这一研究是用共振腔加速等离子喷射,从而产生推进力。虽然Emdrive背后的理论各不相同,构建硬件的工程基础却是类似的。中国必须判断推进器是否能真正工作,还是只是试验错误而产生的结论。

虽然机器产生的推进力很小,但意义重大。Shawyer把C-Band Emdrive和NASA现在使用的NSTAR等离子推进器相比较:Emdrive产生85mN的推进力,而NSTAR产生92mN(差不多是一盎司的三分之一)。但Emdrive仅消耗不到7公斤重的能量,是NSTAR30多公斤的四分之一。推进物是最大的区别:NSTAR每小时消耗10g,Emdrive却不消耗推进物。只要有电能提供,Emdrive就能不停运行。

如果试验成功,影响将是很大的:以往,人造卫星在能量消耗殆尽时就停止运行,现在的寿命将会大大延长,并能够按照指定程序运行(我们也不必因为有毒燃料的威胁而要射落卫星)。外层空间探测器将走的更远更快——直到抵达目的地。Shawyer计算一个太阳能驱动的Emdrive可以在41天内完成载人火星任务,当然,这是在正常工作的前提下。

中国会如何利用这个技术?可能由于杨教授和军方有关,他发表了一篇名为“等离子体攻击低轨道间谍卫星(Plasma Attack Against Low-Orbit Spy Satellites)”的论文。

与此同时美国如何考虑?Shawyer告诉作者,“飞行推进项目还处于观望中。一旦英国政府提供出口许可给美国军方应用,我们所接触的主要的美国宇航企业将会停止与我们对话。”

这些公司可能会认定Emdrive无法工作。如果他们错了,中国就会在主宰太空的技术方面领先至少一年,以前的卫星就会像蒸汽时代的航船一样落伍。

杨涓(1963-),女,西北工业大学副教授、博士,主要从事火箭发动机和等离子体应用的研究.
局域环境中微波等离子体电子密度诊断实验研究 物理学报 2008/03
2 自由分子流微电热推力器(FMMR)流动模拟与喷嘴型面分析 固体火箭技术 2008/02
3 自由分子流微电热推力器流动模拟与性能预示 中国空间科学技术 2008/02
4 真空中微波等离子体喷流电子数密度分布规律实验研究 物理学报 2007/01
5 磁化等离子体对电磁波反射系数的计算分析 火力与指挥控制 2007/01
6 100W微波等离子推力器固态源研制 固体火箭技术 2007/02
7 MPT在探月中的应用方案初探 固体火箭技术 2007/03
8 水工质微波电火箭能量吸收转换机理分析 机械科学与技术 2007/08
9 有约束边界的微波等离子体喷流电子数密度分布规律实验研究 西北工业大学学报 2007/05
10 真空中不同极化电磁波在微波等离子体喷流中的衰减特性实验研究 物理学报 2007/12

等离子体干扰低轨道侦察卫星的计算分析
研究等离子体干扰破坏低轨道侦察卫星功能的效应 ,提出了用等离子体反卫星的概念。对等离子体环境中卫星充放电机理及效应进行了分析 ,给出其干扰破坏低轨道卫星的途径为 :等离子体使卫星表面形成电弧放电电位差 ,并产生强烈的电弧电流和电磁脉冲 ,从而破坏太阳能电池阵、表面温控材料、星上微波电子仪器 ,并影响天线正常工作。把卫星表面分成 1 4个不同的等效单元 ,利用等效充电模式 ,计算了高密度低能和中等能量等离子体对某卫星表面的充电过程 ,分析电子温度和数密度、卫星表面初电位、太阳能电池阵电位对卫星表面最后达到平衡电位的影响。获得的结论是 :30 0 e V以上的能量将使卫星表面形成放电电位差
多谢翻译[:a2:] [:a2:] [:a2:]

天顶星啊……;funk ;funk ;funk
看来似乎是离子发动机升级版~~
原理不知道是什么,似乎保密的?
如果能够成功,绝对具有划时代的意义。
牛比之处在于,不消耗任何物质,只消耗能量。凭空推进,靠.......
原帖由 gameboy999 于 2008-9-26 18:15 发表
看来似乎是离子发动机升级版~~
原理不知道是什么,似乎保密的?

原理与离子发动机根本不同。
如果论文都能够转变为现实的话,我估计美帝已经是天顶星人了。:D
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魔法推进术,只消耗晶石能量块。
原帖由 handtai軍 于 2008-9-26 18:51 发表
如果论文都能够转变为现实的话,我估计美帝已经是天顶星人了。:D


霉帝算个屁啊. :D
原帖由 人不人鬼不鬼 于 2008-9-26 18:59 发表


霉帝算个屁啊. :D

你在国外,看外国论文不难吧。呵呵:D
原帖由 handtai軍 于 2008-9-26 19:01 发表

你在国外,看外国论文不难吧。呵呵:D


我在国内好好的呢. 国外算个屁啊.:D
原帖由 人不人鬼不鬼 于 2008-9-26 19:04 发表


我在国内好好的呢. 国外算个屁啊.:D

这个我同意:D
不过论文这东西,国内和美帝的论文质量相比,大部分都算个P。:D
暗影技术啊,
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是不是这天顶星技术完成了,老瓦可以上天变成太空堡垒了?;funk ;funk
原帖由 handtai軍 于 2008-9-26 19:06 发表

这个我同意:D
不过论文这东西,国内和美帝的论文质量相比,大部分都算个P。:D

世界上大部分的论文都是屁;P ;P
一锅新滴屎袋即将开稀!满载!
1年前都就看到过介绍这个技术的文章了,虽然很匪夷所思,但觉得非常值得尝试。而且据那篇文章说如果用超导体做那个谐振腔,那产生的推力可以推起一辆汽车。
1年前都就看到过介绍这个技术的文章了,虽然很匪夷所思,但觉得非常值得尝试。而且据那篇文章说如果用超导体做那个谐振腔,那产生的推力可以推起一辆汽车。
原帖由 zjdyxd1 于 2008-9-26 19:13 发表
粗一想又觉得不靠谱,任何力都是有反作用的,这玩艺不依靠任何物质的相互作用,就能凭空位移?
只靠能量,就能改变自己在空间的位置,并且没有任何后果?貌似不太可能。要不就是它确实有什么东西从系统里传递到系统 ...


如果考虑到地球磁场或是太阳的磁场,则玩意似乎也不是那么玄乎。

想象一个在磁场中运动的电磁铁,感觉像是这样?
原帖由 江山我有 于 2008-9-26 19:22 发表

世界上大部分的论文都是屁;P ;P

都是混口饭吃,可以理解。[:a6:]
原帖由 大炮仗 于 2008-9-26 19:52 发表


如果考虑到地球磁场或是太阳的磁场,则玩意似乎也不是那么玄乎。

想象一个在磁场中运动的电磁铁,感觉像是这样?

磁体可不同哦,在磁场中的物体受到磁场的作用而运动,会对产生磁场的物体产生反作用。
能量守恒定律,是不断提出来又不断被否定的永动机的最新版本,”澳大利亚物理学家John Costella写道,“他的分析都是垃圾,这种驱动是不可能的。”
"conservation of momentum",是违背了动量守恒,不是能量守恒
如果爱因斯坦是正确的,这东西或许是有可能的。
搞成了的话,飞机只需要装个电池就能飞了;飞船装个核反应堆就可以航行银河系。
以现有的靠物体间的动量守恒来推动的飞行器是很难长时间巡航的,要探索更远的空间,在动力方面必须要突破。如果想依靠人类唯一能获得的不间断能源—核能—来推动飞行器,目前这个东西比较靠谱,当然前提是它存在。
违背了动量在物体—物体之间的守恒,这东西存在的前提是动量在物体与场之间也是守恒的,
根本上来说动量守恒来自于位移不变性。
线形动量守恒的前提是空间平移的不变性,即物理定律不随着空间中的位置而变化。
谁有些了解这东西的,大概原理是什么啊,太感兴趣了~~
电磁场似乎也是物质啊,所以不违反动量守恒吧?:D
原帖由 zjdyxd1 于 2008-9-26 20:36 发表

磁体可不同哦,在磁场中的物体受到磁场的作用而运动,会对产生磁场的物体产生反作用。


它肯定也会对地球产生反作用力啊,但是这种作用力对地球的影响可以忽略不计。

就像被地球引力拉入地球轨道的陨石,陨石自身对地球也会产生引力作用。
原帖由 大炮仗 于 2008-9-26 22:42 发表


它肯定也会对地球产生反作用力啊,但是这种作用力对地球的影响可以忽略不计。

就像被地球引力拉入地球轨道的陨石,陨石自身对地球也会产生引力作用。

你这个说不通,陨石那是因为引力的传递。
如果这个对地球产生反作用,那它是通过什么来传递这种反作用的呢
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微波也是电磁场,世界只由两种东西组成的:粒子和场;
任何理论都必须满足或能推演出三大守恒定律:能量守恒,动量守恒,角动量守恒;因为他们不是来自与某个实验或任何理论,而是来自人类可观测世界的演化形式:时间变换不变性,空间变换不变性,转动变换不变性。
往常的永动机违反的是能量守恒,可以很轻易的推翻,但是这个电磁发动机不违背这一守恒;大家争论的焦点是它是否违背动量守恒,因为在经典牛顿力学和电动力学中,电磁场是中介和执行工具,动量的守恒是在物体与物体之间,或者是场与场之间。粒子和场之间怎么来体现动量守恒,确实是个问题,因为我们现在还不知道粒子是怎么形成的,是什么东西,到底是能量场形成的波包,抑或是能量子遇到了西格斯波色子获得了质量;场与粒子之间的作用到底是通过什么来实现的,这都是需要解决的问题。
等着明年强子对撞机的结果吧。
就那英国老的理论问了一搞理论物理(搞基本粒子)的哥们, 评价其为"民科".

估计西工大这位套那英国民科的东西, 骗经费的意思更多些:D
嗯 应该也不是
这个课题很早就开始了
杨涓的博士论文题目就是这个的模拟环境