对于英印空战演习的另一个说法

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Indian Air Force 'beats RAF 12-0 in training exercise' – using Russian-designed jets
http://www.independent.co.uk/new ... -jets-10444466.html

India’s top guns have claimed they humiliated the cream of the RAF during a two-week exercise which offered British pilots a rare chance to go up against some of the latest Russian-designed fighter jets.

Operation Indradhanush saw the Indian Air Force (IAF) bring four of its fleet of Russian-designed SU-30MKI Flanker fighter aircraft to RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire to face off against the RAF’s Typhoon FGR4 fighter.

The exercise was relished by British pilots as an opportunity to train alongside Russian-designed aircraft, amid increasing tensions in the Baltic – where the RAF has deployed fighters following the conflict in Ukraine – and more frequent interceptions of Russian bombers off the British coastline.
(注:该演习有应对乌克兰危机和对付俄罗斯空军轰炸机的背景)
However, to the dismay of RAF officers, their Indian counterparts have reportedly taken the unusual step of publicly claiming to have come away from the exercise with a resounding 12-0 victory against their UK opponents.

In an interview with Indian television, IAF Group Captain Ashu Srivastav claimed victory over the British aircraft during close-range dogfights – prompting an RAF source to label his claim “comical”.

Group Captain Srivastav said the performance of his pilots was “exceptional”, while other reports in the Indian media said that IAF aircraft were able to defeat the more advanced RAF Typhoon aircraft not only in one-on-one combat, but also in situations where one IAF pilot was pitted against two Typhoons.

Responding to the Indian claims, the RAF source they were clearly designed for the “domestic audience”. He told The Independent: “There must have been some clouded recollection on the flights back to India, as the headlines of the Indian press bear no relation to the results of the tactical scenarios completed on the exercise in any shape or form.”

The RAF source also stressed that the Typhoons had effectively been fighting “with one arm behind their backs” as they did not make full use of their more advanced weapons systems.
(注:台风战斗机是一只手绑在后面,与对方战斗,没有使用全部先进武器系统)
Tony Osborne, the London bureau chief of Aviation Week, also suggested caution when dealing with the Indian claims. “These cricket-style scores claimed by the IAF look impressive but should be treated with caution and certainly not as a realistic gauge of combat capability,” he said.

“We have to view these scores through the haze of pilot bravado, national pride and also some political correctness. Nonetheless, the Su-30MKI is one of the aircraft that the Typhoon was designed to tackle and defeat, and no doubt in the right hands would present a potent challenge. Today [though] the aim would be to engage aircraft like the Su-30MKI from long-range before the two could come together in a dogfight.”

Even the Indian pilot admitted the SU-30s were “less successful” in the longer-range combat exercises.

Aviation experts also pointed to an exercise in 2011 when RAF fighters decimated the ranks of the visiting IAF pilots, prompting the then Air Chief Marshal of the RAF, Stephen Dalton, to comment: “Well, they lost.”

A spokesperson for the RAF said of this summer’s exercises: “Our analysis does not match what has been reported, RAF pilots and the Typhoon performed well throughout the exercise with and against the Indian Air Force. Both [forces] learnt a great deal from the exercise  and the RAF look forward to the next opportunity to train alongside the IAF.”

The RAF has seven frontline Typhoon squadrons equipped but it has recently been reported that the RAF’s fast jet fleet, which is set to shrink to its smallest size in history by the end of the decade, is stretched to the limit while carrying out operations in the Middle East and the Baltic.
(注:台风战斗机更大的麻烦恐怕还是规模数量不足)
This week, Ministry of Defence officials granted another reprieve to ageing Tornado strike jets because of a shortage of aircraft needed to bomb Isis targets.

Indian Air Force 'beats RAF 12-0 in training exercise' – using Russian-designed jets
http://www.independent.co.uk/new ... -jets-10444466.html

India’s top guns have claimed they humiliated the cream of the RAF during a two-week exercise which offered British pilots a rare chance to go up against some of the latest Russian-designed fighter jets.

Operation Indradhanush saw the Indian Air Force (IAF) bring four of its fleet of Russian-designed SU-30MKI Flanker fighter aircraft to RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire to face off against the RAF’s Typhoon FGR4 fighter.

The exercise was relished by British pilots as an opportunity to train alongside Russian-designed aircraft, amid increasing tensions in the Baltic – where the RAF has deployed fighters following the conflict in Ukraine – and more frequent interceptions of Russian bombers off the British coastline.
(注:该演习有应对乌克兰危机和对付俄罗斯空军轰炸机的背景)
However, to the dismay of RAF officers, their Indian counterparts have reportedly taken the unusual step of publicly claiming to have come away from the exercise with a resounding 12-0 victory against their UK opponents.

In an interview with Indian television, IAF Group Captain Ashu Srivastav claimed victory over the British aircraft during close-range dogfights – prompting an RAF source to label his claim “comical”.

Group Captain Srivastav said the performance of his pilots was “exceptional”, while other reports in the Indian media said that IAF aircraft were able to defeat the more advanced RAF Typhoon aircraft not only in one-on-one combat, but also in situations where one IAF pilot was pitted against two Typhoons.

Responding to the Indian claims, the RAF source they were clearly designed for the “domestic audience”. He told The Independent: “There must have been some clouded recollection on the flights back to India, as the headlines of the Indian press bear no relation to the results of the tactical scenarios completed on the exercise in any shape or form.”

The RAF source also stressed that the Typhoons had effectively been fighting “with one arm behind their backs” as they did not make full use of their more advanced weapons systems.
(注:台风战斗机是一只手绑在后面,与对方战斗,没有使用全部先进武器系统)
Tony Osborne, the London bureau chief of Aviation Week, also suggested caution when dealing with the Indian claims. “These cricket-style scores claimed by the IAF look impressive but should be treated with caution and certainly not as a realistic gauge of combat capability,” he said.

“We have to view these scores through the haze of pilot bravado, national pride and also some political correctness. Nonetheless, the Su-30MKI is one of the aircraft that the Typhoon was designed to tackle and defeat, and no doubt in the right hands would present a potent challenge. Today [though] the aim would be to engage aircraft like the Su-30MKI from long-range before the two could come together in a dogfight.”

Even the Indian pilot admitted the SU-30s were “less successful” in the longer-range combat exercises.

Aviation experts also pointed to an exercise in 2011 when RAF fighters decimated the ranks of the visiting IAF pilots, prompting the then Air Chief Marshal of the RAF, Stephen Dalton, to comment: “Well, they lost.”

A spokesperson for the RAF said of this summer’s exercises: “Our analysis does not match what has been reported, RAF pilots and the Typhoon performed well throughout the exercise with and against the Indian Air Force. Both [forces] learnt a great deal from the exercise  and the RAF look forward to the next opportunity to train alongside the IAF.”

The RAF has seven frontline Typhoon squadrons equipped but it has recently been reported that the RAF’s fast jet fleet, which is set to shrink to its smallest size in history by the end of the decade, is stretched to the limit while carrying out operations in the Middle East and the Baltic.
(注:台风战斗机更大的麻烦恐怕还是规模数量不足)
This week, Ministry of Defence officials granted another reprieve to ageing Tornado strike jets because of a shortage of aircraft needed to bomb Isis targets.
西方在尽可能摸透俄式战机的性能印度自觉当陪练。
来自:关于超级大本营
可能是战术问题吧,我记得第一次美军f15和苏30mki演习也是0-3完败,然后美军回去研究研究改变了战术之后的红旗军演就把苏30爆了
浮岛 发表于 2015-8-7 17:19
西方在尽可能摸透俄式战机的性能印度自觉当陪练。
配的过来么,我觉得够累的
nanjuedd 发表于 2015-8-7 17:31
可能是战术问题吧,我记得第一次美军f15和苏30mki演习也是0-3完败,然后美军回去研究研究改变了战术之后的 ...
苏系战机在一定前提下比欧美的强
wingtirl 发表于 2015-8-7 17:22
反正没人会以为牛牛在配合毛子做广告就是了

来自:关于超级大本营
非常好的推销
SU30也是很强大的
非常好的推销

台风有病啊,阵风数量少采购了,台风等着卖阿三呢,自砸招牌发神经阿。
苏局的估计这两天睡觉都能笑醒
原来英国也流行战忽局。。。

nanjuedd 发表于 2015-8-7 17:31
可能是战术问题吧,我记得第一次美军f15和苏30mki演习也是0-3完败,然后美军回去研究研究改变了战术之后的 ...


不是,三哥第1次受邀参加美帝红旗军演,美帝给足了面子,第2次嘛,美帝正常飞飞,正常演习,三哥的精英飞飞就现形了,原来看到有说法,三哥受不了,提前回家了,多好的学习机会啊,不知道珍惜。。。

能打暴美帝飞飞的,可能只有30年之后的中国飞飞了。。。

PS,如果哪天中美又蜜月了,我们也参加红旗军演,我相信第1次去,也会来个X - 0的,美帝完败。。。
nanjuedd 发表于 2015-8-7 17:31
可能是战术问题吧,我记得第一次美军f15和苏30mki演习也是0-3完败,然后美军回去研究研究改变了战术之后的 ...


不是,三哥第1次受邀参加美帝红旗军演,美帝给足了面子,第2次嘛,美帝正常飞飞,正常演习,三哥的精英飞飞就现形了,原来看到有说法,三哥受不了,提前回家了,多好的学习机会啊,不知道珍惜。。。

能打暴美帝飞飞的,可能只有30年之后的中国飞飞了。。。

PS,如果哪天中美又蜜月了,我们也参加红旗军演,我相信第1次去,也会来个X - 0的,美帝完败。。。
nanjuedd 发表于 2015-8-7 17:31
可能是战术问题吧,我记得第一次美军f15和苏30mki演习也是0-3完败,然后美军回去研究研究改变了战术之后的 ...
完爆那次是机炮战,三哥机炮战玩矢量,能量不足被F15反杀,但空空导弹的话就可能是另外一种情况
苏-30用矢量机头指向速率更高,用红外导弹并将演习条件设置为导弹高命中率,谁先锁定谁赢虐台风完全可以。
有离轴和头瞄没?
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我记得英国台风没有装航炮,结合后来他们对印媒的报道吐槽却又不完全反驳来看这只能是一出双簧而已,一个要给法国机压价,一个要求改进飞机,你情我愿一夜春梦而已,偏偏兄弟你兴奋的有些过头了。
可能是战术问题吧,我记得第一次美军f15和苏30mki演习也是0-3完败,然后美军回去研究研究改变了战术之后的 ...
根本就是故意诈败问国会要娘娘,事成之后撕掉伪装讨回场子的故事
阿三实在太可爱了,可能自尊心长期被压制,反弹起来凶猛异常,吹牛吹得太假这在和法国的谈判桌上不会得到想要的结果,你可以骗骗行家,前提是你得是行家,不论是骗术还是骗局
苏-30用矢量机头指向速率更高,用红外导弹并将演习条件设置为导弹高命中率,谁先锁定谁赢虐台风完全可以。
苏30的矢量没有实现飞火推一体化,基本上是手动操作,效果远没有宣传的那么好。这点与当年米格23有点类似。
同样的话,不同的贴再发一句,我始终坚持台风强于MKI,不但如此我还看低三哥的MKI的真实性能水平,绝对比三哥 比毛子说的要打几个折
我相信三哥击落台风是真的,但12比0有水分,印媒体报道更是牛皮味道刺鼻
damo56030 发表于 2015-8-7 19:44
完爆那次是机炮战,三哥机炮战玩矢量,能量不足被F15反杀,但空空导弹的话就可能是另外一种情况
空空导弹的话就可能是另外一种情况
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当然必须是另一种情况,逗比的印度人采用不识别的战术,只要发现信号就无差别攻击!

乐的法国佬躲在后面开数据记录搜刮30MKI的参数,

浪漫不羁的法国佬都受不了这个猪队友