超级军网《纽约时报》：彭家声兵力两千，目的是发动反政府游击战
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《纽约时报》报道说，彭家声有大约两千人的兵力，彭这次的目的是发动新一轮反政府游击战。彭家声虽然已经85岁高龄，但他的接班人们马上会上台。目前缅甸政府军已经全部夺回了果敢老街的控制权，并占领了彭家声的一处住宅。
U Aung Kyaw Zaw, a former rebel who monitors the ethnic conflicts in northern Myanmar, estimates that the Kokang rebel force numbers 2,000.
“Peng Jiasheng’s latest approach is to establish a new wave of guerrilla warfare against the government,” Mr. Aung Kyaw Zaw said on Friday. “He is old, but a new generation will play a significant role in this conflict.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/1 ... ith-china.html?_r=0
《纽约时报》报道说，彭家声有大约两千人的兵力，彭这次的目的是发动新一轮反政府游击战。彭家声虽然已经85岁高龄，但他的接班人们马上会上台。目前缅甸政府军已经全部夺回了果敢老街的控制权，并占领了彭家声的一处住宅。
U Aung Kyaw Zaw, a former rebel who monitors the ethnic conflicts in northern Myanmar, estimates that the Kokang rebel force numbers 2,000.
“Peng Jiasheng’s latest approach is to establish a new wave of guerrilla warfare against the government,” Mr. Aung Kyaw Zaw said on Friday. “He is old, but a new generation will play a significant role in this conflict.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/1 ... ith-china.html?_r=0
《纽约时报》的全文报道：
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/1 ... ith-china.html?_r=0
Rebels Kill Dozens of Soldiers in Myanmar in Fighting Near Chinese Border
BANGKOK — More than 50 government soldiers and police officers have been killed in Myanmar in recent days in clashes with an armed ethnic group, the state news media said on Friday, in the latest setback for the government’s national reconciliation efforts.
The fighting near the border with China between the Kokang, an ethnic Chinese minority, and government forces is a renewal of a longstanding battle for territory in an impoverished, mountainous area with a history of drug trafficking.
The clashes left 47 soldiers and seven police officers dead and 73 members of the government forces wounded, the state news media said. A statement attributed to the Kokang said three of their fighters had been killed. As during previous fighting in the area, civilians fled across the border into China, according to local Chinese officials who did not provide figures.
U Zaw Htay, the deputy director of the office of President Thein Sein of Myanmar, said the Kokang forces had made a “well-organized” attempt to seize Laukkai, the capital of the Kokang region, and had not acted alone. “Other ethnic groups are also involved,” Mr. Zaw Htay said.
Armed ethnic groups in Myanmar, including the nearby Wa, who have about 20,000 fighters, have in the past vowed to come to one another’s defense, raising the prospect of a wider conflict. But most clashes in recent years have been limited to single ethnic groups skirmishing with the government.
The government said in a statement that Kokang rebels had begun their offensive “from nearby.” But the same statement said the government had consulted with the Chinese military attaché in Myanmar, suggesting that rebels prepared the move across the porous border, in China, to some extent.
Mr. Zaw Htay said Burmese officials had complained to their Chinese counterparts about the fighting. The rebels use Chinese telecommunications networks and have deep business and family ties in China.
The government in Myanmar has repeatedly postponed plans for a national cease-fire over the past year. Ethnic groups in the resource-rich and relatively lawless border area have bridled at the government’s demands for them to disarm before agreements for a devolution or a sharing of powers are reached. Ethnic groups are demanding that the highly centralized state be replaced with a federal system.
Regular clashes between the army and ethnic groups are a main reason that peace efforts have foundered. In November, the army shelled a school to train cadets that was run by an armed ethnic Kachin group, killing 23 people.
The state news media calls the Kokang fighters “renegade troops,” and on Friday it printed maps showing “enemy” positions outside Laukkai.
Myanmar’s military has carried out at least five airstrikes against rebel positions in the past week, according to the state news media.
The Kokang forces are being led by Peng Jiasheng, 85, a veteran of Myanmar’s years of civil war and a former commander of the military wing of the Communist Party of Burma, which battled the central government until it disbanded in 1989.
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Government rule is resented by many of the ethnic minorities in outlying areas of Myanmar, but the fighting in the Kokang region is also a highly personalized conflict.
Government forces attacked Mr. Peng and his fighters in August 2009, rupturing a two-decade cease-fire. The commander overseeing that offensive was Gen. Min Aung Hlaing, who has since been promoted to commander in chief of Myanmar’s armed forces. Mr. Peng has vowed several times to avenge the rout of his troops in 2009.
A statement signed by Mr. Peng that has circulated in recent days on Kokang microblogs spoke of “ethnic discrimination” against the Kokang in Myanmar and appealed for donations.
“I ask all the Chinese around the world to remind themselves of our common race and roots and give money and efforts to rescue our people,” the statement said.
On Thursday evening, the state news media said government troops had regained control over Laukkai.
A Chinese-language microblog of the Kokang regional administration said on Friday that government troops had completely retaken Laukkai. It also said one of Mr. Peng’s residences was seized.
U Aung Kyaw Zaw, a former rebel who monitors the ethnic conflicts in northern Myanmar, estimates that the Kokang rebel force numbers 2,000.
“Peng Jiasheng’s latest approach is to establish a new wave of guerrilla warfare against the government,” Mr. Aung Kyaw Zaw said on Friday. “He is old, but a new generation will play a significant role in this conflict.”
Patrick Boehler contributed reporting from Hong Kong, and Wai Moe from Yangon, Myanmar.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/1 ... ith-china.html?_r=0
Rebels Kill Dozens of Soldiers in Myanmar in Fighting Near Chinese Border
BANGKOK — More than 50 government soldiers and police officers have been killed in Myanmar in recent days in clashes with an armed ethnic group, the state news media said on Friday, in the latest setback for the government’s national reconciliation efforts.
The fighting near the border with China between the Kokang, an ethnic Chinese minority, and government forces is a renewal of a longstanding battle for territory in an impoverished, mountainous area with a history of drug trafficking.
The clashes left 47 soldiers and seven police officers dead and 73 members of the government forces wounded, the state news media said. A statement attributed to the Kokang said three of their fighters had been killed. As during previous fighting in the area, civilians fled across the border into China, according to local Chinese officials who did not provide figures.
U Zaw Htay, the deputy director of the office of President Thein Sein of Myanmar, said the Kokang forces had made a “well-organized” attempt to seize Laukkai, the capital of the Kokang region, and had not acted alone. “Other ethnic groups are also involved,” Mr. Zaw Htay said.
Armed ethnic groups in Myanmar, including the nearby Wa, who have about 20,000 fighters, have in the past vowed to come to one another’s defense, raising the prospect of a wider conflict. But most clashes in recent years have been limited to single ethnic groups skirmishing with the government.
The government said in a statement that Kokang rebels had begun their offensive “from nearby.” But the same statement said the government had consulted with the Chinese military attaché in Myanmar, suggesting that rebels prepared the move across the porous border, in China, to some extent.
Mr. Zaw Htay said Burmese officials had complained to their Chinese counterparts about the fighting. The rebels use Chinese telecommunications networks and have deep business and family ties in China.
The government in Myanmar has repeatedly postponed plans for a national cease-fire over the past year. Ethnic groups in the resource-rich and relatively lawless border area have bridled at the government’s demands for them to disarm before agreements for a devolution or a sharing of powers are reached. Ethnic groups are demanding that the highly centralized state be replaced with a federal system.
Regular clashes between the army and ethnic groups are a main reason that peace efforts have foundered. In November, the army shelled a school to train cadets that was run by an armed ethnic Kachin group, killing 23 people.
The state news media calls the Kokang fighters “renegade troops,” and on Friday it printed maps showing “enemy” positions outside Laukkai.
Myanmar’s military has carried out at least five airstrikes against rebel positions in the past week, according to the state news media.
The Kokang forces are being led by Peng Jiasheng, 85, a veteran of Myanmar’s years of civil war and a former commander of the military wing of the Communist Party of Burma, which battled the central government until it disbanded in 1989.
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Government rule is resented by many of the ethnic minorities in outlying areas of Myanmar, but the fighting in the Kokang region is also a highly personalized conflict.
Government forces attacked Mr. Peng and his fighters in August 2009, rupturing a two-decade cease-fire. The commander overseeing that offensive was Gen. Min Aung Hlaing, who has since been promoted to commander in chief of Myanmar’s armed forces. Mr. Peng has vowed several times to avenge the rout of his troops in 2009.
A statement signed by Mr. Peng that has circulated in recent days on Kokang microblogs spoke of “ethnic discrimination” against the Kokang in Myanmar and appealed for donations.
“I ask all the Chinese around the world to remind themselves of our common race and roots and give money and efforts to rescue our people,” the statement said.
On Thursday evening, the state news media said government troops had regained control over Laukkai.
A Chinese-language microblog of the Kokang regional administration said on Friday that government troops had completely retaken Laukkai. It also said one of Mr. Peng’s residences was seized.
U Aung Kyaw Zaw, a former rebel who monitors the ethnic conflicts in northern Myanmar, estimates that the Kokang rebel force numbers 2,000.
“Peng Jiasheng’s latest approach is to establish a new wave of guerrilla warfare against the government,” Mr. Aung Kyaw Zaw said on Friday. “He is old, but a new generation will play a significant role in this conflict.”
Patrick Boehler contributed reporting from Hong Kong, and Wai Moe from Yangon, Myanmar.
呵呵，谁在背后发力现在明了了吧
这次缅甸抱对了大腿，而彭显然抱错了
xiaozhuzai007 发表于 2015-2-15 22:12
呵呵，谁在背后发力现在明了了吧
普京有东乌克兰，习大现在不甘落后，也有了北部缅甸？
奥黑要忙死了，可以同时出兵打四场仗：ISIS、东乌克兰、北缅甸、南中国海。。。xiaozhuzai007 发表于 2015-2-15 22:12
呵呵，谁在背后发力现在明了了吧
普京有东乌克兰，习大现在不甘落后，也有了北部缅甸？
奥黑要忙死了，可以同时出兵打四场仗：ISIS、东乌克兰、北缅甸、南中国海。。。《纽约时报》的全文报道：
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/world/asia/kokang-rebels-kill-dozens-o ...
这次不是自由军，是反政府军，纽药时报
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/world/asia/kokang-rebels-kill-dozens-o ...
这次不是自由军，是反政府军，纽药时报
东乌是普京不得不做的反应。
西方的人权斗士呢？？？圣母公知呢？？
是不是缅甸的副本太小懒得去刷？？？
是不是缅甸的副本太小懒得去刷？？？
呵呵，有意思。
果敢这事还得慢慢看，各方大神都登场亮个相，站才能搞清楚。
果敢这事还得慢慢看，各方大神都登场亮个相，站才能搞清楚。
美国反对的我们应该支持。
普京有东乌克兰，习大现在不甘落后，也有了北部缅甸？ 奥黑要忙死了，可以同时出兵打四场仗：ISI ...
现在论坛里的有些小号把别人当sb，我知道缅甸的一些情况，不过也懒得说，一句话，翻不了天，而且将来缅北实质性脱离缅甸也只是个时间问题。经济，地理条件，民情和民族关系决定了双方只会越走越远。
现在论坛里的有些小号把别人当sb，我知道缅甸的一些情况，不过也懒得说，一句话，翻不了天，而且将来缅北实质性脱离缅甸也只是个时间问题。经济，地理条件，民情和民族关系决定了双方只会越走越远。
渔家衙内 发表于 2015-2-15 22:19
普京有东乌克兰，习大现在不甘落后，也有了北部缅甸？ 奥黑要忙死了，可以同时出兵打四场仗：ISI ...
要不要朝鲜再玩玩什么玩具？不够？311大地震再来一次怎么样？
普京有东乌克兰，习大现在不甘落后，也有了北部缅甸？ 奥黑要忙死了，可以同时出兵打四场仗：ISI ...
要不要朝鲜再玩玩什么玩具？不够？311大地震再来一次怎么样？
现在论坛里的有些小号把别人当sb，我知道缅甸的一些情况，不过也懒得说，一句话，翻不了天，而且将来缅北 ...
可能当今圣上在等一个恰当的时机和借口？
可能当今圣上在等一个恰当的时机和借口？
wb686 发表于 2015-2-15 22:22
这次不是自由军，是反政府军，纽药时报
您是说给三搂的么？？
这次不是自由军，是反政府军，纽药时报
您是说给三搂的么？？
wb686 发表于 2015-2-15 22:22
这次不是自由军，是反政府军，纽药时报
对，米帝口风现在完全是180度大转变，两、三年前还是万恶的缅甸军阀，现在变成了缅甸政府军。
这次不是自由军，是反政府军，纽药时报
对，米帝口风现在完全是180度大转变，两、三年前还是万恶的缅甸军阀，现在变成了缅甸政府军。
可能当今圣上在等一个恰当的时机和借口？
你没去过缅甸不知道那里有多穷。你当缅族不想搞民族和解天生就是沙文主义吗？你当少数民族的天生就想独立吗？一个句话，都是钱惹的祸。缅军要吃饭，少数民族要吃饭，政客一样要吃饭，普通民众什么时候都没饭吃，没水利，没工业，没教育，什么东西都是低水平。少数民族和缅族合并没什么好处，所谓的统一更是皇帝的新衣。各个层面，各个山头，全国就是一盘散沙。为什么这么多年缅北的少数民族全部不鸟缅族，实质性独立，这个问题值得很多人思考。你没有吸引别人的资本，除非去qj，否则哪里会有女人！
你没去过缅甸不知道那里有多穷。你当缅族不想搞民族和解天生就是沙文主义吗？你当少数民族的天生就想独立吗？一个句话，都是钱惹的祸。缅军要吃饭，少数民族要吃饭，政客一样要吃饭，普通民众什么时候都没饭吃，没水利，没工业，没教育，什么东西都是低水平。少数民族和缅族合并没什么好处，所谓的统一更是皇帝的新衣。各个层面，各个山头，全国就是一盘散沙。为什么这么多年缅北的少数民族全部不鸟缅族，实质性独立，这个问题值得很多人思考。你没有吸引别人的资本，除非去qj，否则哪里会有女人！
这次之前
米国人来 面马 和军头密谈 ，马上老面军急攻克亲。
（是否有什么交换？？）。
老彭是从克亲那边拿到百条枪重出江湖的。
米国人来 面马 和军头密谈 ，马上老面军急攻克亲。
（是否有什么交换？？）。
老彭是从克亲那边拿到百条枪重出江湖的。
黎天方 发表于 2015-2-15 22:41 这次之前 米国人来 面马 和军头密谈 ，马上老面军急攻克亲。 （是否有什么交换？？）。
瓦邦如果动手，形势就明朗了。
现在真心搞不清论坛里到底谁是水军。
黎天方 发表于 2015-2-15 22:41 这次之前 米国人来 面马 和军头密谈 ，马上老面军急攻克亲。 （是否有什么交换？？）。有点意思，接下来就看瓦邦动作了。
瓦邦如果动手，形势就明朗了。
现在真心搞不清论坛里到底谁是水军。
水很混呐，这是说老彭是好人了？老彭也是不错的，至少是华人。
这水够深的啊... 还是骑驴看唱本吧
再闹几天，小号们就闹不动了滴，谎言不可能掩盖真相。
资料网上都有，真关心的人找点资料看看，就知道中国的利益是什么，缅甸这些大小势力各自跟中国的远近亲疏，他们各自之间的矛盾冲突，甚至可以分析中国政府对缅甸的政策举措、对缅甸各方的态度。
资料网上都有，真关心的人找点资料看看，就知道中国的利益是什么，缅甸这些大小势力各自跟中国的远近亲疏，他们各自之间的矛盾冲突，甚至可以分析中国政府对缅甸的政策举措、对缅甸各方的态度。
福海泥 发表于 2015-2-15 23:02
水很混呐，这是说老彭是好人了？老彭也是不错的，至少是华人。
至少是华人？美弟那里还有个华人马润，在朝鲜杀害过志愿军呢！
水很混呐，这是说老彭是好人了？老彭也是不错的，至少是华人。
至少是华人？美弟那里还有个华人马润，在朝鲜杀害过志愿军呢！
xiaozhuzai007 发表于 2015-2-15 22:12
呵呵，谁在背后发力现在明了了吧
又在乱扯了 乱点鸳鸯谱了
呵呵，谁在背后发力现在明了了吧
又在乱扯了 乱点鸳鸯谱了
nor333 发表于 2015-2-15 22:56
有点意思，接下来就看瓦邦动作了。
瓦邦如果动手，形势就明朗了。
有道理。
有些东西慢慢的就会清楚的，当然也有要很久很久以后。
水军 应该是拿 新台币的多些。不论出什么事 前前后后 都是那个调。
有点意思，接下来就看瓦邦动作了。
瓦邦如果动手，形势就明朗了。
有道理。
有些东西慢慢的就会清楚的，当然也有要很久很久以后。
水军 应该是拿 新台币的多些。不论出什么事 前前后后 都是那个调。
xiaozhuzai007 发表于 2015-2-15 22:12
呵呵，谁在背后发力现在明了了吧
那这个你又怎么看?
美司令借敏感时刻访缅北 缅甸战火波及中国人
今年10月缅甸将迎来国会和总统大选，这被认为是缅甸开启民主改革进程以来的一个关键节点。在这种敏感时期，不仅缅甸内部各种势力加紧争夺影响力，一些外部势力也积极参与进来，试图对缅甸施加影响。本周，美国国务院人权特使访问缅甸，与缅方举行人权对话。美方代表团中还包括太平洋司令部副司令等数名军方高官，他们低调访问了缅北克钦邦首府密支那，“考察人权”的同时，了解缅北武装冲突现状。12日，缅甸政府军在缅北萨尔温江以西部分地区与少数民族地方武装(“民地武”)再度发生激烈交火，造成双方数十人伤亡。《环球时报》记者了解到，受缅军加大约束“非法伐木”行动的影响和战火波及，约500名中国伐木工人逃入克钦独立军控制区内避难。他们能否平安回国一定程度上取决于未来数天缅甸政府军与“民地武”之间是否有新的战事。
美将领参与打造“民主典范”
根据美国驻缅甸大使馆发布的消息，美国—缅甸人权对话会于11日至15日在缅甸首都内比都举行。美国国务院主管民主、人权和劳工事务的助理国务卿汤姆·马利诺夫斯基率领美国政府代表团出席会议。
有意思的是，美国代表团中还包括几名军方将领，如美国太平洋司令部副司令安东尼·克拉奇菲尔德、美国国防部副助理部长托马斯·哈维等。美国媒体对美国将军访缅报道很低调，美联社在美缅人权对话的报道中简短提到，美军将领“将参加人权对话，会晤缅军高级官员，商讨军事行动和改革”。
《环球时报》记者从缅北可靠消息渠道了解到，人权对话前，克拉奇菲尔德等美军高级将领9日低调前往缅北克钦邦首府密支那，与缅甸武装部队总参谋部人员、密支那军区指挥员及旅级前线军官会晤。除了探讨缅甸军队建设和改革前景，美军将领还专门听取了缅北武装冲突现状、缅北各支“民地武”当前的情况，以及首批受训缅军回前线后的表现，并商讨第二批缅军少壮派军官赴美受训的事。美国国防部副助理部长托马斯·哈维是负责战略构建的。有知情人士透露，美军高层此次访问缅北前线和内比都目标明确，那就是争取缅甸军人集团、昂山素季民主派和“民地武”三方面力量。
熟悉缅甸情况的苏先生对《环球时报》记者表示，2015年大选是缅甸局势最关键的转折点，如果缅甸军人集团愿意按美国的意愿修改宪法，让昂山素季竞选并当选总统，那么美国将帮助整合缅甸军人集团、昂山素季和各“民地武”三方力量，共同打造一个堪称“自由民主典范”的缅甸。美方希望用这个“民主典范”向周边国家“提供榜样”。反之，如果缅甸军人集团不愿按美国的意愿修改宪法，美国将整合昂山素季派的民主力量和“民地武”力量向缅甸军人集团施加压力，届时缅甸局势可能发生更加激烈、更加动荡的变化。
（新浪军事）
（编辑：SN118）
呵呵，谁在背后发力现在明了了吧
那这个你又怎么看?
美司令借敏感时刻访缅北 缅甸战火波及中国人
今年10月缅甸将迎来国会和总统大选，这被认为是缅甸开启民主改革进程以来的一个关键节点。在这种敏感时期，不仅缅甸内部各种势力加紧争夺影响力，一些外部势力也积极参与进来，试图对缅甸施加影响。本周，美国国务院人权特使访问缅甸，与缅方举行人权对话。美方代表团中还包括太平洋司令部副司令等数名军方高官，他们低调访问了缅北克钦邦首府密支那，“考察人权”的同时，了解缅北武装冲突现状。12日，缅甸政府军在缅北萨尔温江以西部分地区与少数民族地方武装(“民地武”)再度发生激烈交火，造成双方数十人伤亡。《环球时报》记者了解到，受缅军加大约束“非法伐木”行动的影响和战火波及，约500名中国伐木工人逃入克钦独立军控制区内避难。他们能否平安回国一定程度上取决于未来数天缅甸政府军与“民地武”之间是否有新的战事。
美将领参与打造“民主典范”
根据美国驻缅甸大使馆发布的消息，美国—缅甸人权对话会于11日至15日在缅甸首都内比都举行。美国国务院主管民主、人权和劳工事务的助理国务卿汤姆·马利诺夫斯基率领美国政府代表团出席会议。
有意思的是，美国代表团中还包括几名军方将领，如美国太平洋司令部副司令安东尼·克拉奇菲尔德、美国国防部副助理部长托马斯·哈维等。美国媒体对美国将军访缅报道很低调，美联社在美缅人权对话的报道中简短提到，美军将领“将参加人权对话，会晤缅军高级官员，商讨军事行动和改革”。
《环球时报》记者从缅北可靠消息渠道了解到，人权对话前，克拉奇菲尔德等美军高级将领9日低调前往缅北克钦邦首府密支那，与缅甸武装部队总参谋部人员、密支那军区指挥员及旅级前线军官会晤。除了探讨缅甸军队建设和改革前景，美军将领还专门听取了缅北武装冲突现状、缅北各支“民地武”当前的情况，以及首批受训缅军回前线后的表现，并商讨第二批缅军少壮派军官赴美受训的事。美国国防部副助理部长托马斯·哈维是负责战略构建的。有知情人士透露，美军高层此次访问缅北前线和内比都目标明确，那就是争取缅甸军人集团、昂山素季民主派和“民地武”三方面力量。
熟悉缅甸情况的苏先生对《环球时报》记者表示，2015年大选是缅甸局势最关键的转折点，如果缅甸军人集团愿意按美国的意愿修改宪法，让昂山素季竞选并当选总统，那么美国将帮助整合缅甸军人集团、昂山素季和各“民地武”三方力量，共同打造一个堪称“自由民主典范”的缅甸。美方希望用这个“民主典范”向周边国家“提供榜样”。反之，如果缅甸军人集团不愿按美国的意愿修改宪法，美国将整合昂山素季派的民主力量和“民地武”力量向缅甸军人集团施加压力，届时缅甸局势可能发生更加激烈、更加动荡的变化。
（新浪军事）
（编辑：SN118）
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这盘面开始有趣起来了-_-
这盘面开始有趣起来了-_-
擦，MD又要树皿煮典范了
ps.昨天西方霉体报道彭还是用很怪的拼音（Phone），今天居然就改成中式的（Peng）了
ps.昨天西方霉体报道彭还是用很怪的拼音（Phone），今天居然就改成中式的（Peng）了
xiaozhuzai007 发表于 2015-2-15 22:26
现在论坛里的有些小号把别人当sb，我知道缅甸的一些情况，不过也懒得说，一句话，翻不了天，而且将来缅北 ...
其实正相反.
老缅正在一步一步蚕食缅北.
交通要道及其附近基本都已经被缅军控制了.
不仅占缅北的地方
还在移民
如果TG不是强力插手.
若干年后.
这些地方将不会再有所谓的民地武势力!
现在论坛里的有些小号把别人当sb，我知道缅甸的一些情况，不过也懒得说，一句话，翻不了天，而且将来缅北 ...
其实正相反.
老缅正在一步一步蚕食缅北.
交通要道及其附近基本都已经被缅军控制了.
不仅占缅北的地方
还在移民
如果TG不是强力插手.
若干年后.
这些地方将不会再有所谓的民地武势力!