澳洲潜艇案新发展：156楼,阿德莱德潜艇峰会

日本拒绝提供苍龙级关键数据

转自澳洲新闻网站

744382-c7c32526-aff7-11e4-a60e-64ee9e292a6c.jpg (35.26 KB, 下载次数: 51)

下载附件 保存到相册

2015-2-11 00:02 上传

日本苍龙级潜艇

745724-0d6f7570-aff8-11e4-a60e-64ee9e292a6c.jpg (21.45 KB, 下载次数: 51)

下载附件 保存到相册

2015-2-11 00:02 上传

德国216型潜艇方案


日本方面官僚阻力仍然甚大，虽然安倍桑非常努力促成日本出口潜艇给澳洲，日本国防厂商也欢迎，但已经习惯对美国以外国家零军事出口的日本官僚体制，对于出口敏感潜艇技术给澳洲十分不情愿。

Japan won’t share secret submarine technology with anyone

http://www.news.com.au/national/ ... ynjr2-1227213745750

JAPAN has been accused of refusing to share vital performance details about its top-secret Soryu Class submarines with Australian officials.

日前澳洲要求日本提供关于苍龙级的关键参数，包括静音性能、推进系统、战斗系统集成等等，但是遭日本拒绝

Australia has asked Japanese officials to provide critical information about stealth, power and combat system integration issues for the 4200-tonne boat considered front runner in the race to be the Navy’s future submarine, but Japan has so far declined to provide access to the information.

将在2015年6月公布的澳洲国防白皮书，可能会把潜艇采购量从原本12艘降到8艘外带2艘选择权（如果总预算可以低于200亿澳币就造第九跟第十艘）

News Corporation also understands that the government’s 2015 Defence White Paper — due out by June — explores cutting the number of submarines from 12 to eight, with an option for two more and a budget well below $20 billion.

The 2009 White Paper included a requirement for 12 boats, but defence sources have argued strongly that the Royal Australian Navy could not crew that number of submarines.

The first one or two boats will be built overseas by the successful bidder with the rest to be assembled at ASC in Adelaide — which will likely be split and absorbed by the successful bidder — under a rolling schedule.

日本承诺如果出口潜舰，可在三年内交付前二艘（在日本建造的话）

Japan has promised that the first two boats could be delivered within three years.

亚培日前公开表示潜艇会在竞争程序下竞标，跟日本之间没有秘密协定，但还是强调必须是在最有利价格完成

Mr Abbott threw open the doors for a competition on the weekend when he said Australian firms could bid.
Yesterday he ruled out any secret deal with Japan to buy its boats.

He said Australia wanted the best possible submarines at the best possible price to replace the ageing Collins Class fleet.

“There are no secret deals,” Mr Abbott said.

澳洲国防部长发言人Kevin Andrews表示，潜艇会在竞争的评估程序下选择设计与制造厂商。包括能力、价格、计画期程、技术风险都会被考量。符合条件的澳洲本土厂商或国外合作夥伴都会被考虑

A spokesman for Defence Minister Kevin Andrews said the decision on a design partner and construction of the submarines will be based on a competitive evaluation process that takes fully into account capability requirements, cost, schedule, technical risk and value for money considerations.

“Any Australian company that can credibly meet these criteria will be considered on merit, as will potential international partners,” the spokesman said.

He did not address a specific question about issues with the Japanese negotiations.

最有可能的竞争者包括日本、德国、法国、瑞典

The most likely solution appears to be a competitive evaluation process between Japan, Germany, France and Sweden.

Two options would be selected to fight it out in a competitive tender for the nation’s biggest ever defence project.

潜艇静音性能像是皇冠上的珠宝，日本不愿意分享苍龙级在20节潜航仍保持极低噪音的秘诀

The most crucial element of its military “crown jewels” that Japan is unwilling to share with anyone is how the Soryu boats can cruise submerged at 20 knots with virtually no noise signature.

静音是潜艇最大的武器，苍龙级被视为隐蔽性能最好的常规潜艇

Stealth is a submarine’s greatest weapon and the Soryu is thought to be the most stealthy diesel powered submarine ever built.

日本第二个不愿意分享的技术是苍龙级的推进系统，寿命比柯林斯级长一倍

The second area of concern is the boat’s propulsion system and exactly how it can provide an operating life of almost double that of the Collins Class boats.

澳洲国防官员表示，如果日本拒绝提供这些关键参数，将无法继续合作

“Without that information we cannot go with the Japanese option,” a defence source told News Corp.

第三项关键参数是关于战斗系统集成（在日制潜艇上集成美制战斗管理和武器系统）

The third area of concern is the integration of a US combat system and weapons into the Japanese hull.

最后一项障碍是澳洲ASC集团保密能力堪虑（显然不被日本信任）。

The final hurdle is the perceived lack of security at the ASC shipyard in Adelaide and Australia in general.

“The Japanese are far better at security than we are,” a senior source said.

日本官员指出，澳洲电视纪录片曾详细披露柯林斯级的噪音特徵（显然这样的保密等级，日本绝不放心将苍龙级的机密参数交给澳洲）

It is understood that Japanese officials pointed to an Australian TV documentary on the Collins boats that clearly revealed the subs’ noise signature.

本週（2月9日）德国官员与TKMS高层前来堪培拉推销216型潜艇，但消息指出澳洲海军被澳洲政府告知不得与德国人员接触。

German ministers and senior corporate executives are in Canberra this week pushing hard for German firm ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) and its (yet to be built) type 216 boat.

It is understood that navy officers have been told not to engage at all with the German delegation.

南澳的官员坚持澳洲本国潜艇工业必须获得至少60%的潜艇案额份，包括制造和服役周期的维护。南澳国防工业官员Martin Hamilton-Smith对于潜艇案采公开竞争表示欢迎。

South Australian officials have pushed hard for Australian involvement in both the build and through-life support phase which will account for about 60 per cent of the project’s total outlays.

South Australian Defence Industries Minister Martin Hamilton-Smith welcomed the move to a competitive process.

日本拒绝提供苍龙级关键数据

转自澳洲新闻网站

744382-c7c32526-aff7-11e4-a60e-64ee9e292a6c.jpg (35.26 KB, 下载次数: 51)

下载附件 保存到相册

2015-2-11 00:02 上传

日本苍龙级潜艇

745724-0d6f7570-aff8-11e4-a60e-64ee9e292a6c.jpg (21.45 KB, 下载次数: 51)

下载附件 保存到相册

2015-2-11 00:02 上传

德国216型潜艇方案


日本方面官僚阻力仍然甚大，虽然安倍桑非常努力促成日本出口潜艇给澳洲，日本国防厂商也欢迎，但已经习惯对美国以外国家零军事出口的日本官僚体制，对于出口敏感潜艇技术给澳洲十分不情愿。

Japan won’t share secret submarine technology with anyone

http://www.news.com.au/national/ ... ynjr2-1227213745750

JAPAN has been accused of refusing to share vital performance details about its top-secret Soryu Class submarines with Australian officials.

日前澳洲要求日本提供关于苍龙级的关键参数，包括静音性能、推进系统、战斗系统集成等等，但是遭日本拒绝

Australia has asked Japanese officials to provide critical information about stealth, power and combat system integration issues for the 4200-tonne boat considered front runner in the race to be the Navy’s future submarine, but Japan has so far declined to provide access to the information.

将在2015年6月公布的澳洲国防白皮书，可能会把潜艇采购量从原本12艘降到8艘外带2艘选择权（如果总预算可以低于200亿澳币就造第九跟第十艘）

News Corporation also understands that the government’s 2015 Defence White Paper — due out by June — explores cutting the number of submarines from 12 to eight, with an option for two more and a budget well below $20 billion.

The 2009 White Paper included a requirement for 12 boats, but defence sources have argued strongly that the Royal Australian Navy could not crew that number of submarines.

The first one or two boats will be built overseas by the successful bidder with the rest to be assembled at ASC in Adelaide — which will likely be split and absorbed by the successful bidder — under a rolling schedule.

日本承诺如果出口潜舰，可在三年内交付前二艘（在日本建造的话）

Japan has promised that the first two boats could be delivered within three years.

亚培日前公开表示潜艇会在竞争程序下竞标，跟日本之间没有秘密协定，但还是强调必须是在最有利价格完成

Mr Abbott threw open the doors for a competition on the weekend when he said Australian firms could bid.
Yesterday he ruled out any secret deal with Japan to buy its boats.

He said Australia wanted the best possible submarines at the best possible price to replace the ageing Collins Class fleet.

“There are no secret deals,” Mr Abbott said.

澳洲国防部长发言人Kevin Andrews表示，潜艇会在竞争的评估程序下选择设计与制造厂商。包括能力、价格、计画期程、技术风险都会被考量。符合条件的澳洲本土厂商或国外合作夥伴都会被考虑

A spokesman for Defence Minister Kevin Andrews said the decision on a design partner and construction of the submarines will be based on a competitive evaluation process that takes fully into account capability requirements, cost, schedule, technical risk and value for money considerations.

“Any Australian company that can credibly meet these criteria will be considered on merit, as will potential international partners,” the spokesman said.

He did not address a specific question about issues with the Japanese negotiations.

最有可能的竞争者包括日本、德国、法国、瑞典

The most likely solution appears to be a competitive evaluation process between Japan, Germany, France and Sweden.

Two options would be selected to fight it out in a competitive tender for the nation’s biggest ever defence project.

潜艇静音性能像是皇冠上的珠宝，日本不愿意分享苍龙级在20节潜航仍保持极低噪音的秘诀

The most crucial element of its military “crown jewels” that Japan is unwilling to share with anyone is how the Soryu boats can cruise submerged at 20 knots with virtually no noise signature.

静音是潜艇最大的武器，苍龙级被视为隐蔽性能最好的常规潜艇

Stealth is a submarine’s greatest weapon and the Soryu is thought to be the most stealthy diesel powered submarine ever built.

日本第二个不愿意分享的技术是苍龙级的推进系统，寿命比柯林斯级长一倍

The second area of concern is the boat’s propulsion system and exactly how it can provide an operating life of almost double that of the Collins Class boats.

澳洲国防官员表示，如果日本拒绝提供这些关键参数，将无法继续合作

“Without that information we cannot go with the Japanese option,” a defence source told News Corp.

第三项关键参数是关于战斗系统集成（在日制潜艇上集成美制战斗管理和武器系统）

The third area of concern is the integration of a US combat system and weapons into the Japanese hull.

最后一项障碍是澳洲ASC集团保密能力堪虑（显然不被日本信任）。

The final hurdle is the perceived lack of security at the ASC shipyard in Adelaide and Australia in general.

“The Japanese are far better at security than we are,” a senior source said.

日本官员指出，澳洲电视纪录片曾详细披露柯林斯级的噪音特徵（显然这样的保密等级，日本绝不放心将苍龙级的机密参数交给澳洲）

It is understood that Japanese officials pointed to an Australian TV documentary on the Collins boats that clearly revealed the subs’ noise signature.

本週（2月9日）德国官员与TKMS高层前来堪培拉推销216型潜艇，但消息指出澳洲海军被澳洲政府告知不得与德国人员接触。

German ministers and senior corporate executives are in Canberra this week pushing hard for German firm ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) and its (yet to be built) type 216 boat.

It is understood that navy officers have been told not to engage at all with the German delegation.

南澳的官员坚持澳洲本国潜艇工业必须获得至少60%的潜艇案额份，包括制造和服役周期的维护。南澳国防工业官员Martin Hamilton-Smith对于潜艇案采公开竞争表示欢迎。

South Australian officials have pushed hard for Australian involvement in both the build and through-life support phase which will account for about 60 per cent of the project’s total outlays.

South Australian Defence Industries Minister Martin Hamilton-Smith welcomed the move to a competitive process.