转LT：[ 美国 CNBC财经 ] ：只有美国能制衡中国

US the only counterweight to China: UK Defense Sec
英国防部:美国是唯一能制衡中国的国家

对于中国日益扩大的全球影响力，美国是唯一执意与之抗衡的国家，但考虑到美国具有挑战性财政现状所处的“严峻现实”，其他国家将不得不“出面”“出力”，英国国防大臣菲利普哈蒙德说。

“只有美国有能力应对，以中国实力不断增长为代表的挑战” 上周末，在新加波举行的香格里拉对话会议上，哈蒙德接受CNBC（亚太财经）采访时说到。

“美国有能力领导，美国必须领导，但有时也无能为力（但也有他做不了的事）”。

他的这种看法源自设置在中国南海争议海域内的石油钻井平台所引发的日益紧张的局势，据说中国海警船传率先撞击越南渔船，进而引发越南国内反华示威，导致6人死亡（我翻的上一篇是4人啊？？，难道4人中有母的？）.

美国在亚洲领土争端中未设立场，但美国国防部长查克黑格尔在香格里拉论坛上激烈地警告中国，说，如果国际秩序遭到挑战，美国不会“视而不见”。

哈蒙德反复重申，亚洲的地缘政治纠纷必须坚决按照法规与国际行为规范和平解决，并鼓励地区军事之间进行更为紧密的合作。

“通过建立军事合作领域，在该领域中我们可以合作，相互协调，缓解紧张，进一步了解对方的行事准则和理论，还可以在紧张时期避免误判”，他说道。

近几个月来日本与北京的关系，因在东海岛屿之争也开始变得恶化。日本称这些岛为间阁岛，而中国称它为钓鱼岛。

哈蒙德欢迎日本首相安培近期提出的，要在亚洲地区安全事务中起到更大的作用。他声称支持安倍改革日本宪法以便允许扩大日本自卫队。

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GLI0213  3 days ago
It's a shame that no country issupporting China in the Shangrila Dialogue.
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在香格里拉论坛没一个国家支持中国，（对他来说）这是种耻辱。



Menzuodao Pang  GLI0213  3 days ago
Singaporeis the host and hence cannot be seen to take sides. But everyone knows whichway the Singapore government leans - its no secret.
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新加坡是主办方，因此不能表现出偏向性。但谁都知道新加坡政府向着谁的-你懂得



GLI0213  3 days ago
China has lost its sense of logic. Theyare causing all these trouble from theirdelusional claim but still have the nerve to accuse the US, Japan, Vietnam andthe Philippines of provoking them. Are they out of theirmind? If China will only walk away head back home leave these territoriesthen the status quo in the region will be restored peacefully. China's ambition to expand to have more resources at the expenseof other country's territory is not right, they are blinded by greed.
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中国已丧失了理性。是他们的索需无度引起了这一切麻烦，却仍在指责是美国，日本，越南和菲律宾惹了他们。他们傻了吗？只要中国离开那些争议领土并G回家，这里就又会恢复平静了，中国的野心是想牺牲他国领土实现扩张，这根本是错误的，他们已经利欲熏心了。



Brent Bowles  3 days ago
Is this a surprise? This Brit has nomoral principle. Here is why.
When in 1942, when Japan landed inSingapore, the UK troops ran without a fight. They were caught up in Burma. TheBrit called China for help. China, under KMT sent tens of thousands troops tocome to the rescue. Both were stationed on one side of the battlefied. But, inthe cover of a dark night, the British Troop quietly ran off to India, leavingChina troop alone by itself to face the overwhelming Japanese imperial armywhich outnumbered it. Of course, all died except some might be lucky.
In mid 1980's UK's Premier MargeratThatcher in her state visit to US, took a trip to Chicago to visit the aging,then commander of the Chinese troop for saving 7,000 of the British. Whythanking?
The son of the Chinese troop, followedhis father's wish to erect a memoir of all the Chinese soldiers who sacrificedtheir lives to save the British troop. This was the very first Chinese troopswho fought outsider China's borders and never got a chance to return home.
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真让人惊讶？这个英国佬已经没有道德原则了。这是怎么了。
1942年，当日本占领新加坡时，英军就没进行抵抗，他们困在缅甸了，于是英国向中国求救，当时统治中国的国民党派出无数军队前来救援。双方并肩作战。可是，在一个漆黑的夜晚，这个英国部队却偷偷跑到印度，甩开中国部队，让他独自抵挡数量压倒性的日本帝国军队。自然，除了一些幸运儿剩下的全都牺牲了



Tom Brent Bowles  3 days ago
Brent:
What is the point? We are living in the21 century and we have a lot of lessons to learn from the past; however, wedon't carry the past for the future. The present and futurewill dominate themselves. Who are constructive,helpful and good to build the better future for all of us.
Don't forget: human rights, democracy,freedom of speech, free religions etc. benefit human kind. If you use these significancein your analysis, you can find your answers.
Good luck.
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（回楼上）
布伦特：你说的都是啥啊？现在都21世纪了，我们都已经从历史吸取不少经验教训了；无论怎样，别总用老眼光看未来拉。现在与将来要由我们来主宰。要有前瞻性，这样才有利于我们建设更美好的未来。
不要忘记：人权，民主，言论自由，宗教自由等，有益于人类。如果你从这些角度出发，你就会找到答案的。祝你好运。


HoChinhMi  Brent Bowles  3 days ago
Are you reading a history book ofcommie China?
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（回楼上）
你读过共产中国的历史么？



jiang826  3 days ago
Don't forget, in Korean war there are16 countries UN force fight against China one country.. Can the U.S. get other15 countries to fight China PLA now?
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可别忘了，朝鲜战争中，中国以一敌16国联合军，美国现在还能说服其他15国跟中国打么？



Vic jjiang826  2 days ago
We have Drones to fight Red China.
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（回楼上）
对付红色中国，我们有无人机。



Corey Harrington  jjiang826  2 daysago
It was North Korea that invaded SouthKorea. The South was aided by the UN coalition including the US after beingdriven to the Pusan perimeter then The North was aided by China directly withtroops after the Chinese feared the U.S. moving into China. North Korea wasaided by both Mao and Stalin throughout the war and even Russian Pilots flewMiGs for the North so it wasn't just China vs 15 countries. Most of the UN forceswere US troops as well...
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（回jjiang826）
那是北朝鲜入侵南韩，南韩得到联合军的援助，譬如后来美国正向釜山防线推进，此时北朝鲜直接得到中国军队支援，中国怕以后美国军队侵入中国，北朝鲜得到毛和斯大林的支持，在战争中苏联甚至把几架米格战机派往北方，因此中国才能以一敌15.多数联合国军被美军部队…（估计不好意思说了）



Dongqing Zhu  Corey Harrington  21 hours ago
result: us defeated.
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（回楼上）
结果：美国战败


Governor van Tarus - China  3 days ago
When did growing global influence ofChina become a crime? The west should accept reality and hold their horses.
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中国影响力一旦变大，他就（一定）变坏？西方应该接受现实，别心虚啦。



M Eric Governor van Tarus - China  3 days ago
China should be thankful to the US forall they have done for China. If it werent for the US China wouldstill be in the 19th century.
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中国应该感谢美国为他们所做的一切，要不是美国，中国还在活在19世纪呢。



pgral_7777  Governor van Tarus - China  3 days ago
If China grows peacefully... andsilently wakes up from its economic slumber without the ROAR OF A LION, thenthe world will accept the reality of its awakening. After gaining strength fromyour slumber is there a need to whiz around your saber ...nor cry out in anuproar like an elephant ..???
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若是中国和平发展…经济没有像狮吼般咆哮，安静地苏醒，或许世界真的能接受他，在睡梦中得到力量后，需要一位英雄看住你，若不然你就会像大象一样横冲直撞。



thisIzAjoke!  3 days ago
We can take the lead by ending tradewith this beast, starting immediately!!!
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我们要先把这头贸易野兽给干掉，立即开动吧！！




MIKEFLORES2000  thisIzAjoke!  3 days ago
And buy what? Burgers and tacos?
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（回楼上）
然后还买啥？汉堡和玉米饼？



Chariya thisIzAjoke!  3 days ago
We? Who give you the right to say we?
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(回thisIzAjoke!)
我们？你凭啥代表我？



copykon  3 days ago
The U.S has been in decline fordecades....No real president...no leadership...just big business andcorruption.
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近十多年来美国一直在衰落…没有真正的总统……没人指明方向……只有大财阀和腐败



Sami  3 days ago
Why is "China's growing globalinfluence" a Threat?! While the US "Global Influence" is fineand ok?! Who made the US the symbol of harmony and goodness?! I mean China hasbeen playing by the rules, boosting its economy, is it becoming a threat nowthat they passed their famine threshold and are thinking about may be, just maybe going beyond the essential needs of life?! Do nationsbecome a threat to the US once they start to think or god forbid compete?!
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为什么“中国全球影响力一增长”就变成威胁了？! 而美国“全球影响力”就是好的，为什么？是谁让我们变成和谐美好的象征？！我的意思是，中国一直遵守规矩，发展经济，消除饥饿，并把理想化为可能，现在仅是想生活的更好点，这怎么就变成了威胁了呢？作为一个国家一旦威胁到美国，他们就想方设法，以上帝的姿态阻止竞争了么？


lowlybeing  Sami  3 days ago
progressing is not a threat... butasserting claims by force is... there is no problem if china will progress goodfor them and good for business.. so long as it will not make their heads blownout of proportion...
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（回Sami）
发展不是威胁…但，主张以武力…如果中国为了他们和生意更好的发展，不算问题。只要他们的领导别瞎吹…


Kelly Kinsel  Sami  3 days ago
"China has been playing by therule"
You lost all credibility after thatblatant lie, you chinese pig
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（回Sami）
“中国一直守规矩”？？
谎话是没人信的，你这个中国X



Robert  3 days ago
Brits forgot to say that "Sorry,U.S. of A, it is your thing, I will be just do business with China, by the way,I have a suggestion, you may need to fix your fiscal problems by borrowing morefrom China".
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英国人忘了说，“对不起，美国，那是你的事，我还是会与中国做生意的，顺便说一下，我有一个建议，你该向中国多借点钱来堵你的财政窟窿啦”



factstalklouder  Robert  3 days ago
Perfectly right!!!
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（回楼上）
一针见血



Jack Thi  3 days ago
To all Asian countries, don't forgethow the Japanese did to you, rape, kill, root .........during the WWII. TheAmericans and Europeans did not know how the to suffer yet. Wake up ! We don'ttrust Abe.
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对于所有亚洲国家，都不会忘记日本都做了什么，强奸，杀人，灭门.........二战期间。美国人和欧洲是不明白这种遭遇的。都醒醒吧！安培绝不可信！




Peter  2 days ago
The article ignored many things: Theconflicts over Diaoyu Islands was started by Japan in 'nationalizing' China'sislands.Japan's actions unilaterally changed the status quo and caused all thetrouble now. To begin with, Japan should have returned these islands to Chinaaccording to the Cairo Declaration and the Potsdam Proclamation, which USsigned with its then allies including China and Japan. The conflicts over theSpartley Islands and the Paracel Islands are the same. These islands werereturned to China by Japan after it lost the war according to the CairoDeclaration and the Potsdam Proclamation. These were recognized inPhilippines's old maps which did not include these in its territory. But in itsrecent years, the Ph occupied some Chinese Islands and put these in its newmaps. Similarly, Viet Nam recognized officially that the Spartleys and Paracelsbelong to China in 1956 in official documents.. But later Viet Nam startedputting several oil rigs in cooperation with foreign companies. The west mediaturned a black eye on this fact. This article totally, like the view of most USmedia, totally ignored history and legal basis of these claims. The only claim,these small countries have are based on UNCLOS. But please note that the UNCLOSdoes not take away historically owned territories.As a matter of fact, the oilrig China put is closer to China controlled inhabited islands than it is fromVIet Nam.
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本文忽略了很多东西：钓鱼岛冲突是因为日本“国有化”中国岛屿。日本单方面改变现状，这是现在所有问题的起因。首先，根据美国、中国、日本一起签署的开罗宣言和波茨坦宣言，日本输掉战争后，日本应该把这些岛屿还给中国，现在发生冲突的南沙群岛和西沙群岛都一样（属于与中国）。根据开罗宣言和波茨坦宣言日本战败后这些岛屿必须还给中国。对于菲律宾，菲律宾老地图中根本不包括这些岛屿，但是近些年，菲律宾霸占了中国的一些岛屿并把它划到自己新地图里。同样地，越南在1959年的官方文件里承认西沙群岛与西沙群岛属于中国。但后来越南开始与一些外国公司合作建了几个石油钻井平台。西方媒体面对事实视而不见。本文完全像大多数美国媒体的观点，完全忽略了历史和（岛屿）要求的法律依据。这些小国家所主张的仅是根据联合国海洋法公约。但是请注意，海洋法无权剥夺所拥有的历史领土。事实上，中国钻井平台与中国岛屿的距离比起越南近多了。



Cháu Ngoan Bác H嬞/font]  Peter  16 hours ago
Hey.
Obviously you have noknowledge about anything.
TheParacel Islands were yanked from Vietnam in 1974 in the presence of the USA.Vietnam has a long history of ownership to the islands.
You better shut yourself up.
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（回楼上…请看层主名字）
喂~
显然，还有很多事你不知道。西沙群岛是1974年美军还在的时候从越南手里抢走的。那些岛屿自古以来就是属于越南的。你别瞎BB…



Peter Cháu Ngoan Bác H嬞/font] 3 hours ago
Hi, the later conflicts, in negativityto Viet Nam government's credibility, do not take away the facts that Viet NamCURRENT government officially recognized that theSpartleys and Paracels are sovereign territory of China.
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（回楼上）
HI，再后来的冲突中，越南政府反复无常。别不要脸了，现政府官方文件还写着中国拥有西沙和南沙绝对主权呢。


Jose F. Sabado Jr.  3 days ago
If we will have a conflict with China,it would be better for the American industry. No more made in China around theworld and the US. It would be made in America all over again.
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如果我们跟中国发生冲突，对美国制造业来说更有利，中国制造就不会充斥世界，美国制造将再次辉煌。…
（这智商!_!..）


ThirdBatt75th  3 days ago
Leavewell enough alone.we should stay out of this and concentrate on our owneconomy and border protection!
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知足吧，别管闲事啦，我们还是把精力放在自身的经济萎靡上面吧


bluex ThirdBatt75th  3 days ago
are you sure you are really anAmerican? you are a paid throll by commie-China!
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（回楼上）
你到底还是不是美国人？你怎么像个中国5毛！



Sam Li  3 days ago
US has the power to intervene, butbetter have the wisdom to avoid blood shed of US for a dispute between twonoisy parties seeking for their own meaningful benefit.
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美国有能力插手，但在两党争着为自己谋取利益时，最好利用智慧避免美国流血。



Ricon  3 days ago
1. Did UK step up to the plate and contribute meaningfully to the Ukrainecrisis? Or China?
- Nada in Ukraine,Cameron playing ping pong in China to receive the investment from China.
2. Did France step up to the plate andcontribute meaningfully to the assertive Russia in Ukraine?
- France continue to sell 2 warships toRussia.
3. Did Germany step up to the plate anddefend against assertive Russia?
- Germany recentlysigned a contract with Gazprom which did not get much publicity in US media asif Germany is following US directions.
Whichcountry step up to the plate to serve as a US lapdog?
- You're right. Japan.
1st, nationalize the disputed island
2nd, talk big about China ADIZ whileits set up its own ADIZ long time ago.
3rd, secretlytried to secure the Russia gas pipeline even in the middle of US sanctionsagainst Russia on Ukraine crisis.
4th, touring EU and label China as"Hitler", who did that? Yes, you're right, Mr. Ape.
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1、 英国对乌克兰或中国有啥动作或打算么
—乌克兰啥也没有，而卡梅隆却在中国玩乒乓球来吸引中国投资
2、法国对乌克兰冲突中执着的俄罗斯有啥动作或打算么
   —法国卖给了俄罗斯2艘军舰
3、德国对俄罗斯有啥动作和抵触么？
  —德国最近月与俄罗斯天然气公司签了一份合同，这事被美国媒体低调处理以便突出德国正响应着美国的号召
哪个国家活蹦乱跳像个哈巴狗似地舔美国
—你猜对了。是日本
（日本都做了些什么呢？）
第一，争议岛屿国有化
第二，大力宣扬中国防空识别区，殊不知他自己的防空识别区老早就有了。
第三，乌克兰危急中当美国制裁俄罗斯时，他却偷偷想把天然气管道连到俄罗斯。
第四，在欧盟是谁把中国说成“希特勒”？是的，你猜对了，是安倍先生。
（这个Ricon 可炸了锅喽，下面一片嘴炮声…..）
（PS：应兄弟们的要求，我再翻几条“粪”花...稍等）


————评论更新，接上书————



dc Ricon  3 days ago
We might be broke, but we could stillwipe out China's navy in a day.
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我们或许变得一文不值，但我们还是能用一天时间把中国海军灭掉



Ricon dc  3 days ago
The once The Sun never set Empire,
The once almighty magnificent NavyEmpire,
used to say the same thing to America.Guess what? America used to give bounty to those whoever could steal technologyfrom Britain. Britons used to rummage any trading ships from Britain toAmerica.
Look at the situation now. You areright, you may be broke, but learn some Chinese. In future, they might betalking about building the canal in Nicaragua, fastest train in East Asia,while you guys keep talking about Kim Kardashian wedding forever.
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昔日的日不落帝国
曾经的无敌帝国海军
和现在的美国说的一个调，有区别么？谁能从英国偷到技术美国就给谁赏钱，英国人把能运走的全运到美国了。
看看现在，你说的没错，你一文不值，还是去学学汉语吧，不久，他们就会研究建尼加拉瓜运河，建东亚最快列车，而你们还在一成不变地在扯金·卡戴珊的婚礼。



Tom Ricon  3 days ago
Ricon:
You completely lost your control due toyour angriness, hence your analysis seems lacking of intelligence.
Who is the US Lagdog? Japan isconsidered as a hero and is willing to share the burdens with US to serve as abigger role in Asia regional security while China is considered as a troublemaker due to they think they are bigger than they really are. Let me give yousome facts in the past.
China under Deng leadership went US tooffer to punish Vietnam (their comrade) as US Lagdog and as resulted, the warbetween Vietnam and China broke out in1979 and China failed miserably (You canfind the fact for your own).
Under the contructive and goodinternational countries, Japan has shown they are responsible, constructive,
honest and peaceful while China iscomletely opposite. However, the funniest thing is China claim they own 90% ofwater in S.E Asia because those disputed waters were in the Han Dynasty map.The map is an evidence they aware those areas, but it is far to confirm theyare the first and own these land/waters. (That is why the Catholic priestsdon't claim any territory for their own)
The international schoolars in thisarena mostly disagreed with China claim ( this is your homework). Let acceptthe fact even though the fact is completely agianst what you (China) wish andlearn to be a good guy.
For next time, when you want to discussin this forum, you should use your analytical skill and intellectuality insteadof you angry emotion. Good luck.
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你已完全被愤怒冲昏了头脑，所以你的分析有些缺乏理智了
（你说）谁是美国的哈巴狗？日本就好比英雄，在亚洲安全领域内为了起到更大作用，甘愿与美国共同承担，然而中国是一个麻烦制造者，因为他们认为他们比现实中还要强大。
让我举几个史实吧
邓还在做中国领导人的时候像个哈巴狗似的去美国求着要惩罚越南，结果在1979年爆发了越南战争，中国惨败（你可以自己去查查看）
具有建设性和良好国际形象的日本，展现出尽职尽责
中国与诚实、和平完全背道而驰，无论怎样，最搞笑的是，中国声称他们拥有东南亚90%的海域，因为在汉代的地图包含那些有争议的水域。他们认为地图就是证据…
（后面还有点。错字连篇，语法混乱，我都崩溃了，这条饶了我吧…）


tim Tom  3 days ago
"war between Vietnam and Chinabroke out in1979" -- "gate to Hanoi was open"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
"China failed miserably" fromwhere?
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“中越战争在1979年爆发了”——“长驱直入，直抵河内”维基解密上说的
“中国惨败”，哪写着呢？



Tom tim  3 days ago
Tim:
Thanks for the link. You are aware of thatWiki is a good introductory source but not complete. It is editable documents.
"... it can be said that Chinafailed to achieve the goal of dissuading Vietnam from involvement inCambodia."
My analysis is Vietnam got rid of KhmerRough (China backing) and Deng declared to teach Vietnam a lesson. Who teachwho and who won? Do you home work?
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谢谢您给出的链接。你可知道维基写的只是个概要它并不完整。文档是可编辑的（谁都能编辑的）。
“…可以说，中国未能达到牵制越南入侵柬埔寨的预期目标”
我分析是越南干掉了（中国支持的）红色高棉，邓宣布教训越南。谁教训谁，又是谁赢了？学过历史么？


Tom tim  3 days ago
Since you are constructive, here can begoodsource:
http://content.time.com/time/w...
Have fun.
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既然你想来个权威的，这里有个准点的资料
玩的愉快
（给了一条时代杂志链接）



Tom D. Ricon  2 days ago
Time is reliable source and Chinesecommunist and Vietnamese communist sources are not reliable to me and here itis:
http://content.time.com/time/w...
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时代杂志来源可信，但这里面的中国和越南GCD的资料不可信。


http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/13294.html

US the only counterweight to China: UK Defense Sec
英国防部:美国是唯一能制衡中国的国家

对于中国日益扩大的全球影响力，美国是唯一执意与之抗衡的国家，但考虑到美国具有挑战性财政现状所处的“严峻现实”，其他国家将不得不“出面”“出力”，英国国防大臣菲利普哈蒙德说。

“只有美国有能力应对，以中国实力不断增长为代表的挑战” 上周末，在新加波举行的香格里拉对话会议上，哈蒙德接受CNBC（亚太财经）采访时说到。

“美国有能力领导，美国必须领导，但有时也无能为力（但也有他做不了的事）”。

他的这种看法源自设置在中国南海争议海域内的石油钻井平台所引发的日益紧张的局势，据说中国海警船传率先撞击越南渔船，进而引发越南国内反华示威，导致6人死亡（我翻的上一篇是4人啊？？，难道4人中有母的？）.

美国在亚洲领土争端中未设立场，但美国国防部长查克黑格尔在香格里拉论坛上激烈地警告中国，说，如果国际秩序遭到挑战，美国不会“视而不见”。

哈蒙德反复重申，亚洲的地缘政治纠纷必须坚决按照法规与国际行为规范和平解决，并鼓励地区军事之间进行更为紧密的合作。

“通过建立军事合作领域，在该领域中我们可以合作，相互协调，缓解紧张，进一步了解对方的行事准则和理论，还可以在紧张时期避免误判”，他说道。

近几个月来日本与北京的关系，因在东海岛屿之争也开始变得恶化。日本称这些岛为间阁岛，而中国称它为钓鱼岛。

哈蒙德欢迎日本首相安培近期提出的，要在亚洲地区安全事务中起到更大的作用。他声称支持安倍改革日本宪法以便允许扩大日本自卫队。

      ——正文结束，评论开始——



GLI0213  3 days ago
It's a shame that no country issupporting China in the Shangrila Dialogue.
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在香格里拉论坛没一个国家支持中国，（对他来说）这是种耻辱。



Menzuodao Pang  GLI0213  3 days ago
Singaporeis the host and hence cannot be seen to take sides. But everyone knows whichway the Singapore government leans - its no secret.
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新加坡是主办方，因此不能表现出偏向性。但谁都知道新加坡政府向着谁的-你懂得



GLI0213  3 days ago
China has lost its sense of logic. Theyare causing all these trouble from theirdelusional claim but still have the nerve to accuse the US, Japan, Vietnam andthe Philippines of provoking them. Are they out of theirmind? If China will only walk away head back home leave these territoriesthen the status quo in the region will be restored peacefully. China's ambition to expand to have more resources at the expenseof other country's territory is not right, they are blinded by greed.
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中国已丧失了理性。是他们的索需无度引起了这一切麻烦，却仍在指责是美国，日本，越南和菲律宾惹了他们。他们傻了吗？只要中国离开那些争议领土并G回家，这里就又会恢复平静了，中国的野心是想牺牲他国领土实现扩张，这根本是错误的，他们已经利欲熏心了。



Brent Bowles  3 days ago
Is this a surprise? This Brit has nomoral principle. Here is why.
When in 1942, when Japan landed inSingapore, the UK troops ran without a fight. They were caught up in Burma. TheBrit called China for help. China, under KMT sent tens of thousands troops tocome to the rescue. Both were stationed on one side of the battlefied. But, inthe cover of a dark night, the British Troop quietly ran off to India, leavingChina troop alone by itself to face the overwhelming Japanese imperial armywhich outnumbered it. Of course, all died except some might be lucky.
In mid 1980's UK's Premier MargeratThatcher in her state visit to US, took a trip to Chicago to visit the aging,then commander of the Chinese troop for saving 7,000 of the British. Whythanking?
The son of the Chinese troop, followedhis father's wish to erect a memoir of all the Chinese soldiers who sacrificedtheir lives to save the British troop. This was the very first Chinese troopswho fought outsider China's borders and never got a chance to return home.
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真让人惊讶？这个英国佬已经没有道德原则了。这是怎么了。
1942年，当日本占领新加坡时，英军就没进行抵抗，他们困在缅甸了，于是英国向中国求救，当时统治中国的国民党派出无数军队前来救援。双方并肩作战。可是，在一个漆黑的夜晚，这个英国部队却偷偷跑到印度，甩开中国部队，让他独自抵挡数量压倒性的日本帝国军队。自然，除了一些幸运儿剩下的全都牺牲了



Tom Brent Bowles  3 days ago
Brent:
What is the point? We are living in the21 century and we have a lot of lessons to learn from the past; however, wedon't carry the past for the future. The present and futurewill dominate themselves. Who are constructive,helpful and good to build the better future for all of us.
Don't forget: human rights, democracy,freedom of speech, free religions etc. benefit human kind. If you use these significancein your analysis, you can find your answers.
Good luck.
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（回楼上）
布伦特：你说的都是啥啊？现在都21世纪了，我们都已经从历史吸取不少经验教训了；无论怎样，别总用老眼光看未来拉。现在与将来要由我们来主宰。要有前瞻性，这样才有利于我们建设更美好的未来。
不要忘记：人权，民主，言论自由，宗教自由等，有益于人类。如果你从这些角度出发，你就会找到答案的。祝你好运。


HoChinhMi  Brent Bowles  3 days ago
Are you reading a history book ofcommie China?
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（回楼上）
你读过共产中国的历史么？



jiang826  3 days ago
Don't forget, in Korean war there are16 countries UN force fight against China one country.. Can the U.S. get other15 countries to fight China PLA now?
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可别忘了，朝鲜战争中，中国以一敌16国联合军，美国现在还能说服其他15国跟中国打么？



Vic jjiang826  2 days ago
We have Drones to fight Red China.
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（回楼上）
对付红色中国，我们有无人机。



Corey Harrington  jjiang826  2 daysago
It was North Korea that invaded SouthKorea. The South was aided by the UN coalition including the US after beingdriven to the Pusan perimeter then The North was aided by China directly withtroops after the Chinese feared the U.S. moving into China. North Korea wasaided by both Mao and Stalin throughout the war and even Russian Pilots flewMiGs for the North so it wasn't just China vs 15 countries. Most of the UN forceswere US troops as well...
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（回jjiang826）
那是北朝鲜入侵南韩，南韩得到联合军的援助，譬如后来美国正向釜山防线推进，此时北朝鲜直接得到中国军队支援，中国怕以后美国军队侵入中国，北朝鲜得到毛和斯大林的支持，在战争中苏联甚至把几架米格战机派往北方，因此中国才能以一敌15.多数联合国军被美军部队…（估计不好意思说了）



Dongqing Zhu  Corey Harrington  21 hours ago
result: us defeated.
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（回楼上）
结果：美国战败


Governor van Tarus - China  3 days ago
When did growing global influence ofChina become a crime? The west should accept reality and hold their horses.
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中国影响力一旦变大，他就（一定）变坏？西方应该接受现实，别心虚啦。



M Eric Governor van Tarus - China  3 days ago
China should be thankful to the US forall they have done for China. If it werent for the US China wouldstill be in the 19th century.
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中国应该感谢美国为他们所做的一切，要不是美国，中国还在活在19世纪呢。



pgral_7777  Governor van Tarus - China  3 days ago
If China grows peacefully... andsilently wakes up from its economic slumber without the ROAR OF A LION, thenthe world will accept the reality of its awakening. After gaining strength fromyour slumber is there a need to whiz around your saber ...nor cry out in anuproar like an elephant ..???
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若是中国和平发展…经济没有像狮吼般咆哮，安静地苏醒，或许世界真的能接受他，在睡梦中得到力量后，需要一位英雄看住你，若不然你就会像大象一样横冲直撞。



thisIzAjoke!  3 days ago
We can take the lead by ending tradewith this beast, starting immediately!!!
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我们要先把这头贸易野兽给干掉，立即开动吧！！




MIKEFLORES2000  thisIzAjoke!  3 days ago
And buy what? Burgers and tacos?
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（回楼上）
然后还买啥？汉堡和玉米饼？



Chariya thisIzAjoke!  3 days ago
We? Who give you the right to say we?
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(回thisIzAjoke!)
我们？你凭啥代表我？



copykon  3 days ago
The U.S has been in decline fordecades....No real president...no leadership...just big business andcorruption.
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近十多年来美国一直在衰落…没有真正的总统……没人指明方向……只有大财阀和腐败



Sami  3 days ago
Why is "China's growing globalinfluence" a Threat?! While the US "Global Influence" is fineand ok?! Who made the US the symbol of harmony and goodness?! I mean China hasbeen playing by the rules, boosting its economy, is it becoming a threat nowthat they passed their famine threshold and are thinking about may be, just maybe going beyond the essential needs of life?! Do nationsbecome a threat to the US once they start to think or god forbid compete?!
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为什么“中国全球影响力一增长”就变成威胁了？! 而美国“全球影响力”就是好的，为什么？是谁让我们变成和谐美好的象征？！我的意思是，中国一直遵守规矩，发展经济，消除饥饿，并把理想化为可能，现在仅是想生活的更好点，这怎么就变成了威胁了呢？作为一个国家一旦威胁到美国，他们就想方设法，以上帝的姿态阻止竞争了么？


lowlybeing  Sami  3 days ago
progressing is not a threat... butasserting claims by force is... there is no problem if china will progress goodfor them and good for business.. so long as it will not make their heads blownout of proportion...
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（回Sami）
发展不是威胁…但，主张以武力…如果中国为了他们和生意更好的发展，不算问题。只要他们的领导别瞎吹…


Kelly Kinsel  Sami  3 days ago
"China has been playing by therule"
You lost all credibility after thatblatant lie, you chinese pig
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（回Sami）
“中国一直守规矩”？？
谎话是没人信的，你这个中国X



Robert  3 days ago
Brits forgot to say that "Sorry,U.S. of A, it is your thing, I will be just do business with China, by the way,I have a suggestion, you may need to fix your fiscal problems by borrowing morefrom China".
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英国人忘了说，“对不起，美国，那是你的事，我还是会与中国做生意的，顺便说一下，我有一个建议，你该向中国多借点钱来堵你的财政窟窿啦”



factstalklouder  Robert  3 days ago
Perfectly right!!!
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（回楼上）
一针见血



Jack Thi  3 days ago
To all Asian countries, don't forgethow the Japanese did to you, rape, kill, root .........during the WWII. TheAmericans and Europeans did not know how the to suffer yet. Wake up ! We don'ttrust Abe.
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对于所有亚洲国家，都不会忘记日本都做了什么，强奸，杀人，灭门.........二战期间。美国人和欧洲是不明白这种遭遇的。都醒醒吧！安培绝不可信！




Peter  2 days ago
The article ignored many things: Theconflicts over Diaoyu Islands was started by Japan in 'nationalizing' China'sislands.Japan's actions unilaterally changed the status quo and caused all thetrouble now. To begin with, Japan should have returned these islands to Chinaaccording to the Cairo Declaration and the Potsdam Proclamation, which USsigned with its then allies including China and Japan. The conflicts over theSpartley Islands and the Paracel Islands are the same. These islands werereturned to China by Japan after it lost the war according to the CairoDeclaration and the Potsdam Proclamation. These were recognized inPhilippines's old maps which did not include these in its territory. But in itsrecent years, the Ph occupied some Chinese Islands and put these in its newmaps. Similarly, Viet Nam recognized officially that the Spartleys and Paracelsbelong to China in 1956 in official documents.. But later Viet Nam startedputting several oil rigs in cooperation with foreign companies. The west mediaturned a black eye on this fact. This article totally, like the view of most USmedia, totally ignored history and legal basis of these claims. The only claim,these small countries have are based on UNCLOS. But please note that the UNCLOSdoes not take away historically owned territories.As a matter of fact, the oilrig China put is closer to China controlled inhabited islands than it is fromVIet Nam.
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本文忽略了很多东西：钓鱼岛冲突是因为日本“国有化”中国岛屿。日本单方面改变现状，这是现在所有问题的起因。首先，根据美国、中国、日本一起签署的开罗宣言和波茨坦宣言，日本输掉战争后，日本应该把这些岛屿还给中国，现在发生冲突的南沙群岛和西沙群岛都一样（属于与中国）。根据开罗宣言和波茨坦宣言日本战败后这些岛屿必须还给中国。对于菲律宾，菲律宾老地图中根本不包括这些岛屿，但是近些年，菲律宾霸占了中国的一些岛屿并把它划到自己新地图里。同样地，越南在1959年的官方文件里承认西沙群岛与西沙群岛属于中国。但后来越南开始与一些外国公司合作建了几个石油钻井平台。西方媒体面对事实视而不见。本文完全像大多数美国媒体的观点，完全忽略了历史和（岛屿）要求的法律依据。这些小国家所主张的仅是根据联合国海洋法公约。但是请注意，海洋法无权剥夺所拥有的历史领土。事实上，中国钻井平台与中国岛屿的距离比起越南近多了。



Cháu Ngoan Bác H嬞/font]  Peter  16 hours ago
Hey.
Obviously you have noknowledge about anything.
TheParacel Islands were yanked from Vietnam in 1974 in the presence of the USA.Vietnam has a long history of ownership to the islands.
You better shut yourself up.
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（回楼上…请看层主名字）
喂~
显然，还有很多事你不知道。西沙群岛是1974年美军还在的时候从越南手里抢走的。那些岛屿自古以来就是属于越南的。你别瞎BB…



Peter Cháu Ngoan Bác H嬞/font] 3 hours ago
Hi, the later conflicts, in negativityto Viet Nam government's credibility, do not take away the facts that Viet NamCURRENT government officially recognized that theSpartleys and Paracels are sovereign territory of China.
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（回楼上）
HI，再后来的冲突中，越南政府反复无常。别不要脸了，现政府官方文件还写着中国拥有西沙和南沙绝对主权呢。


Jose F. Sabado Jr.  3 days ago
If we will have a conflict with China,it would be better for the American industry. No more made in China around theworld and the US. It would be made in America all over again.
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如果我们跟中国发生冲突，对美国制造业来说更有利，中国制造就不会充斥世界，美国制造将再次辉煌。…
（这智商!_!..）


ThirdBatt75th  3 days ago
Leavewell enough alone.we should stay out of this and concentrate on our owneconomy and border protection!
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知足吧，别管闲事啦，我们还是把精力放在自身的经济萎靡上面吧


bluex ThirdBatt75th  3 days ago
are you sure you are really anAmerican? you are a paid throll by commie-China!
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（回楼上）
你到底还是不是美国人？你怎么像个中国5毛！



Sam Li  3 days ago
US has the power to intervene, butbetter have the wisdom to avoid blood shed of US for a dispute between twonoisy parties seeking for their own meaningful benefit.
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美国有能力插手，但在两党争着为自己谋取利益时，最好利用智慧避免美国流血。



Ricon  3 days ago
1. Did UK step up to the plate and contribute meaningfully to the Ukrainecrisis? Or China?
- Nada in Ukraine,Cameron playing ping pong in China to receive the investment from China.
2. Did France step up to the plate andcontribute meaningfully to the assertive Russia in Ukraine?
- France continue to sell 2 warships toRussia.
3. Did Germany step up to the plate anddefend against assertive Russia?
- Germany recentlysigned a contract with Gazprom which did not get much publicity in US media asif Germany is following US directions.
Whichcountry step up to the plate to serve as a US lapdog?
- You're right. Japan.
1st, nationalize the disputed island
2nd, talk big about China ADIZ whileits set up its own ADIZ long time ago.
3rd, secretlytried to secure the Russia gas pipeline even in the middle of US sanctionsagainst Russia on Ukraine crisis.
4th, touring EU and label China as"Hitler", who did that? Yes, you're right, Mr. Ape.
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1、 英国对乌克兰或中国有啥动作或打算么
—乌克兰啥也没有，而卡梅隆却在中国玩乒乓球来吸引中国投资
2、法国对乌克兰冲突中执着的俄罗斯有啥动作或打算么
   —法国卖给了俄罗斯2艘军舰
3、德国对俄罗斯有啥动作和抵触么？
  —德国最近月与俄罗斯天然气公司签了一份合同，这事被美国媒体低调处理以便突出德国正响应着美国的号召
哪个国家活蹦乱跳像个哈巴狗似地舔美国
—你猜对了。是日本
（日本都做了些什么呢？）
第一，争议岛屿国有化
第二，大力宣扬中国防空识别区，殊不知他自己的防空识别区老早就有了。
第三，乌克兰危急中当美国制裁俄罗斯时，他却偷偷想把天然气管道连到俄罗斯。
第四，在欧盟是谁把中国说成“希特勒”？是的，你猜对了，是安倍先生。
（这个Ricon 可炸了锅喽，下面一片嘴炮声…..）
（PS：应兄弟们的要求，我再翻几条“粪”花...稍等）


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dc Ricon  3 days ago
We might be broke, but we could stillwipe out China's navy in a day.
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我们或许变得一文不值，但我们还是能用一天时间把中国海军灭掉



Ricon dc  3 days ago
The once The Sun never set Empire,
The once almighty magnificent NavyEmpire,
used to say the same thing to America.Guess what? America used to give bounty to those whoever could steal technologyfrom Britain. Britons used to rummage any trading ships from Britain toAmerica.
Look at the situation now. You areright, you may be broke, but learn some Chinese. In future, they might betalking about building the canal in Nicaragua, fastest train in East Asia,while you guys keep talking about Kim Kardashian wedding forever.
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昔日的日不落帝国
曾经的无敌帝国海军
和现在的美国说的一个调，有区别么？谁能从英国偷到技术美国就给谁赏钱，英国人把能运走的全运到美国了。
看看现在，你说的没错，你一文不值，还是去学学汉语吧，不久，他们就会研究建尼加拉瓜运河，建东亚最快列车，而你们还在一成不变地在扯金·卡戴珊的婚礼。



Tom Ricon  3 days ago
Ricon:
You completely lost your control due toyour angriness, hence your analysis seems lacking of intelligence.
Who is the US Lagdog? Japan isconsidered as a hero and is willing to share the burdens with US to serve as abigger role in Asia regional security while China is considered as a troublemaker due to they think they are bigger than they really are. Let me give yousome facts in the past.
China under Deng leadership went US tooffer to punish Vietnam (their comrade) as US Lagdog and as resulted, the warbetween Vietnam and China broke out in1979 and China failed miserably (You canfind the fact for your own).
Under the contructive and goodinternational countries, Japan has shown they are responsible, constructive,
honest and peaceful while China iscomletely opposite. However, the funniest thing is China claim they own 90% ofwater in S.E Asia because those disputed waters were in the Han Dynasty map.The map is an evidence they aware those areas, but it is far to confirm theyare the first and own these land/waters. (That is why the Catholic priestsdon't claim any territory for their own)
The international schoolars in thisarena mostly disagreed with China claim ( this is your homework). Let acceptthe fact even though the fact is completely agianst what you (China) wish andlearn to be a good guy.
For next time, when you want to discussin this forum, you should use your analytical skill and intellectuality insteadof you angry emotion. Good luck.
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你已完全被愤怒冲昏了头脑，所以你的分析有些缺乏理智了
（你说）谁是美国的哈巴狗？日本就好比英雄，在亚洲安全领域内为了起到更大作用，甘愿与美国共同承担，然而中国是一个麻烦制造者，因为他们认为他们比现实中还要强大。
让我举几个史实吧
邓还在做中国领导人的时候像个哈巴狗似的去美国求着要惩罚越南，结果在1979年爆发了越南战争，中国惨败（你可以自己去查查看）
具有建设性和良好国际形象的日本，展现出尽职尽责
中国与诚实、和平完全背道而驰，无论怎样，最搞笑的是，中国声称他们拥有东南亚90%的海域，因为在汉代的地图包含那些有争议的水域。他们认为地图就是证据…
（后面还有点。错字连篇，语法混乱，我都崩溃了，这条饶了我吧…）


tim Tom  3 days ago
"war between Vietnam and Chinabroke out in1979" -- "gate to Hanoi was open"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
"China failed miserably" fromwhere?
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“中越战争在1979年爆发了”——“长驱直入，直抵河内”维基解密上说的
“中国惨败”，哪写着呢？



Tom tim  3 days ago
Tim:
Thanks for the link. You are aware of thatWiki is a good introductory source but not complete. It is editable documents.
"... it can be said that Chinafailed to achieve the goal of dissuading Vietnam from involvement inCambodia."
My analysis is Vietnam got rid of KhmerRough (China backing) and Deng declared to teach Vietnam a lesson. Who teachwho and who won? Do you home work?
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谢谢您给出的链接。你可知道维基写的只是个概要它并不完整。文档是可编辑的（谁都能编辑的）。
“…可以说，中国未能达到牵制越南入侵柬埔寨的预期目标”
我分析是越南干掉了（中国支持的）红色高棉，邓宣布教训越南。谁教训谁，又是谁赢了？学过历史么？


Tom tim  3 days ago
Since you are constructive, here can begoodsource:
http://content.time.com/time/w...
Have fun.
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既然你想来个权威的，这里有个准点的资料
玩的愉快
（给了一条时代杂志链接）



Tom D. Ricon  2 days ago
Time is reliable source and Chinesecommunist and Vietnamese communist sources are not reliable to me and here itis:
http://content.time.com/time/w...
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时代杂志来源可信，但这里面的中国和越南GCD的资料不可信。


http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/13294.html