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印度可以从中国身上学到什么
What India can learn from China
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正文翻译:龙腾
Hong Kong (CNN) -- I met an entrepreneur recently who was comparing doing business in Asia's two biggest countries. "When I'm in India," he said, "I spend the first 40 minutes of any meeting exchanging niceties. In the last five minutes, we get to business." What about China? "We do business for 40 minutes. Right at the end, we chit-chat for five."
最近我遇到了一位企业家，他对比了亚洲两个大国的工作情况。“当我在印度”，他说道“每次会议开始时我们会花40分钟闲聊，然后在最后5分钟，我们才谈到正事。”“在中国的情况呢？”“我们用40分钟谈正事，在最后5分钟，我们才进行一些闲聊。”
It's only an anecdote, but the results seem to bear it out. China gets things done; India invents ways not to. China dazzles the world by hosting an impeccable Olympics; India struggles to complete basic infrastructure for the Commonwealth Games.
虽然仅是个趣闻，但似乎得到了一些结论。中国致力于做某事；而印度想办法阻止某事做成。中国主办了完美无瑕的奥运会，令世界赞叹。印度为了英联邦运动会历尽艰难才完成了基础设施建设。
Perhaps that's why it's fascinating to watch the rise of India's Narendra Modi, the man many believe will be India's next Prime Minister. Modi's sales pitch is simple: he gets things done. For Indians, it's a seductive notion: Can India be like China?
或许这正是为何我们乐于看到莫迪从印度政坛崛起的原因，很多人相信他将成为下一任印度总理。莫迪的方法非常简单：实干。有一个观想法对印度人非常具有诱惑力：印度能成为中国吗？
There is no doubt that India has room to improve. Consider productivity: India's ranks 60th in the world on the World Economic Forum's ranking of countries by competitiveness (China is 29th). Or consider ease of doing business: the World Bank ranks India 134th in the world. If you want to start a business, the World Bank says India ranks 179th in the world -- in other words, go ahead and explore opportunities in 178 other countries before you settle on India. It's as good as putting a "closed" sign on the shop door.
毫无疑问印度还有提高空间。从生产力方面，印度在全球经济论坛排名中竞争力处于全世界第60位（中国是第29位）。或者从做生意难易程度方面，世行将印度排在全球第134位。如果你想创业，世行排名中印度列179位。换句话说，印度前面还有178个国家，人们在前面178个国家尝试创业机会后才会选择印度，这就好比印度商店的门上挂着“停业”牌子一一样。
For businesses in India and beyond, Modi represents an end to red tape. India's financial markets are salivating at the prospect of his leadership -- stocks are up 20% since his candidacy was announced last September.
对于印度商业及其他领域而言，莫迪代表着要去终结这其中的繁文缛节。印度金融市场希望莫迪能够带领印度繁荣起来，自从去年9月他宣布参选后，股市上涨了20%。
If you speak to voters in his home state of Gujarat -- which has flourished with Chinese levels of growth under his leadership in the last decade -- Modi represents the joys of getting rich. Sounds familiar? That's because it evokes Deng Xiaoping, the Chinese premier who kick-started national reforms and an unprecedented period of growth.
如果你在他的家乡古吉拉特邦与选民们交谈，该地区过去10年间在他的领导下实现了与中国一样的发展水平。人们会说莫迪代表着走向富裕的喜悦。听起来熟悉吗？因为让人们想起了邓小平——最先领导国家改革并且随后取得前所未有的发展局面的中国总理。
It's not just Deng. Modi has been compared to a number of world leaders. Some say he would be like Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's visionary leader. (Note that implicit in these comparisons is the understanding that Modi could tend toward being authoritarian).
还不仅仅是邓。人们还把莫迪与很多国家领导人相比拟。有些人说他像具有远见的新加坡领导人李光耀（注意到这些对比中暗含着莫迪可能会走向专权。）
Others say the best person to compare Modi to is U.S. President Ronald Reagan -- because both were outsiders resented by traditional elites. Still others insist the best analogy is former British PM Margaret Thatcher, because of their shared appetite for privatization and small government.
还有人说与莫迪最相似的是美国总统里根，因为他们都是被传统精英们所憎恨的圈外人。然而，还有人坚称他最像英国首相撒切尔，因为他们都倡导私有化和小政府。
Modi could be any -- or none -- of those leaders. The truth is we just don't know; we don't have enough information about his track record, and how it could translate across India. But the larger point is that this is not just about Modi, it's about India.
莫迪可能会也可能不会成为上述任何一个领导人。因为没有人知道；我们对于他过去的成就了解不多，也不知道他将如何把这种成功向全印度推广。但更大的问题在于印度本身，而非莫迪。
The Carnegie Endowment's Milan Vaishnav rightly points out that even the most reform-minded prime minister would face many hurdles. Among them, Vaishnav cites a J.P.
卡耐基研究中心的威斯纳福援引了摩根大通公司的研究，指出即使是最具有改革思想的总理也会面对很多困难。
Morgan study of 50 of the central government's stalled investment projects: 40 of them fell through because of state, and not central, red tape. Constitutionally, there's little a prime minister can do about that, no matter how reform-minded.
摩根公司研究了50个由中央政府投资的失败项目：其中40个项目失败的原因在于地方政府的官僚习气，而不是中央。本质上看，总理对此也爱莫能助，不管他多么的想要改革。
Let me use another anecdote to explain the task ahead for the world's biggest democracy. Indians are infamous for being unpunctual. So, one wonders, is that genetic? Are Indians inherently prone to being late to meetings? The answer is no. Take an Indian who is unpunctual, and place him in New York -- he'll likely be on time for every meeting he schedules.
我们用另一则趣闻来解释一下这个世界上最大的民主国家前面所面临的困难。印度人以迟到著称。因此，人们会怀疑，这难道是遗传的吗？印度人骨子里就习惯于开会迟到吗？答案是否定的。找一个惯于迟到的印度人，把他放到纽约，每次会议他肯定会准时参加。
Similarly, a New Yorker would likely become unpunctual in New Delhi. The reason is that punctuality is based on economic incentive -- if everyone is always on time, then it makes sense to make an effort to be on time. It follows then, punctuality is based on inertia. If everyone's doing it, it's in your best interest to follow suit.
类似的，一个在新德里生活的纽约人也会变得不守时。因为守时这个习惯的形成是基于经济诱因的-如果身边每个人都是守时的，那么你也守时就变得有意义。由此可见，守时也是有惯性的。如果每个人都这么做，那么你也必须这么做，因为那样最符合你的利益。
In a free democracy like India, progress is based on inertia, too. Everyone needs to push at the same time. Indians can dream to have cities like Singapore, Hong Kong or Beijing. But to do so they will need more than just one reform-minded leader. They will need change from the bottom up.
对于印度这么一个自由民主国家来说，（国家）发展也是有惯性的。每个人都应该同时发力。如果印度人梦想着拥有如新加坡，香港以及北京那样的城市的话，他们需要做更多，仅仅一个有改革雄心的领导人对印度来说是远远不够的，这个国家需要由下而上的改变。
For better or worse, such is the nature of India's secular, constitutional democracy. India can certainly learn from China. But to do that, it doesn't have to become China. In the next few weeks and months, that is the issue Indians will be debating.
不论好坏，这就是印度世俗民主的本质。印度肯定能学习中国，但是印度没必要成为中国。在即将到来的几周或几个月内，印度人民将会就这个问题进行热烈的讨论。
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Prion • 3 hours ago
Prion 3小时前
If anything the new Indian leader may learn from China, is to never be afraid to try your own system. In the early days of reform China used many unorthodox methods that made Western economists shake their heads and scoff, and then ten years later they were all baffled at how the results were possible, and then had to redesign all their mathematic models to fit the Chinese data.
如果说真有什么值得新任领导人从中国学习的地方的话，那就是“不要害怕，走自己的发展道路”。中国改革初期也用了很多不“正统”甚至让西方经济学家摇头嗤笑的方法，仅仅十年之后这些（经济学家）就对他们所看到的（中国的成就）感到难以置信，然后他们不得不根据中国的经济数据来重新设计他们的计算模式。
The lesson here is, be confident but realistic of what country you are right now and never lose sight of what you set out to do. Do not simply copy European system, American system or even Chinese system, they won't work 100%. India needs to combine all the lessons learned from those countries, and come up with a model that fits their own need. And never get discouraged by those naysayers from us developed countries! Chinese economic planners have never listened to those trash talk but things turned out better for them anyway.
这其中我们可以借鉴的就是，自信，但以现实主义的眼光看待自己国家目前的情况，努力实现自己的目标。别简单粗暴的复制欧洲模式，美国模式甚至中国模式，他们的成功在印度不可能百分百复制。印度需要结合所有的成功案例来制定自己的发展方式。别因为来自发达国家的冷嘲热讽而灰心沮丧。中国的经济政策制定者从来就不会去听信这些垃圾言论，但最终他们还是取得了很好的效果。
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nav nag Prion • an hour ago
nav nag prion 一小时前
MODI will improve manufacturing sector in INDIA . since we have lower Rupee value and more manual Labor than china , we can produce goods much more cheaper than them and at faster rate . we can sell all the products made in India to the world if we can maintain standards . only thing we need to learn from them at this point is improving the working skills of the huge educated population . we have around 3 million engineers graduating every year . if we can guide them in a right way by giving right training in industrial production we can see wonders. already we are good in information technology . if we can do that china is going to have some tough competition from us . we have more working population than them . only waiting for right leader to take right initiative . MODI has all ways focussed on manufacturing sector . so china here we come .now we can give some options to the world to buy things . from now on they wont say " everything is made in china" by western countries . we will give them options . hope in ten years we will achieve . and the editor is an Indian and i thought he would give more insight . our only focus should be manufacturing sector and that is the only thing we should learn from china .
穆迪将会改善印度制造业（这哥们真是无处不在啊）。因为我们拥有更低的卢布汇率以及比中国更丰富的人力资源，我们将会比中国人更快的制造出更便宜的产品。只要质量达标，我们将会看见满世界都是印度制造。我们现在唯一要向中国学习的地方就是提高广大受教育人群的工作能力。我们每年有三百万个工程师毕业。如果我们能够引领他们正确的发展方向以及正确的工业制造培训，我们将制造奇迹，我们现在做得很好的IT业（就是一个很好的例子）。如果那样印度对中国的竞争将会大大增强。我们较中国有更多的工作人口。我们仅仅在等待一个正确的领导人来给我们正确的指示。穆迪至始至终都在关注着制造业。中国，我们来了。现在人们有机会购买印度生产的产品了。从现在开始西方人不会再说”每样东西都是中国制造“了，我们将给他们选择的机会。希望十年之内我们能达到上述目标。这个主编是个印度人，我认为它能够给出更多有深度的见解。我们应该将所有都押在制造业上，这个才是我们要从中国学习的。
other than that we have NOTHING to learn from china . we have democracy and freedom for citizens . thats more than enough. now its time for producing goods to sell to the world . china here we come ." try to stop us if you can" guys we will improve slowly in other aspects also . first we need money to improve or eradicate poverty . so the Indian economy is already some what stable to recessions . when entire world has recession our economy did not shake in 2008 . our focus is to increase our income by production . we can havemore stable income . forget about all the nonsense racist comments saying "india is rape capital and poo in public" . they write to irritate us and they are mostly from fake ids . don't worry about morons and fake names . this shows they are ignorant fools and that they don't have much knowledge on India and that is the maximum input they have . i am optimistic . in ten years china is going to have tough competition from India in manufacturing and that is for sure .
除此之外我们没有什么好向学习中国的。我们的公民拥有民主跟自由，这已经绰绰有余，现在是时候向世界销售印度商品了。中国我们来了，敢来阻止我们嘛？大伙儿，我们在其他方面也会缓慢的发展。首先我们需要资金来改善和消除贫穷，让印度的经济有能力来抵御衰退。2008全球经济萧条只有印度岿然不动。我们的目标是通过制造来提高我们的收入。我们能拥有更稳定的收入。不要去管那些胡说八道种族主义的言论， 什么 ”德里是强奸之都， 在公共场合小便等等“。说这些话的人全部都是水军，只是为了来激怒我们。不要去管那些俗人跟水军，这些言论只是证明他们是无知的白痴而且对印度一无所知，他们说这种话的水平就代表了他们的智商。我很乐观，十年之内中国会在制造业方面受到来自印度的强力挑战，这是毋庸置疑的。
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dis gusting nav nag • 6 minutes ago
"and more manual sector in India" US and especially Japan has lesser population than India but why they strived? Henry Ford came up with automization system which brought revolution into American economy and followed by Japan. Manual Labour will not provide high quality goods at cheaper price because Manual Labour will never be cheap forever. This is the difference between China and India.
“印度将有更多的手工行业”，美国，提别是日本比印度人口少，但为何他们能够繁荣昌盛？福特开创了自动化系统给美国经济带来变革，并且被日本效仿。手工劳动永远无法提供物美价廉的产品，因为人力资本再也不可能便宜了。这就是中印之间的差异。
China progress as a nation. Today, they are the highest investors especially in properties in US and Europe infact all around the world. In India those rich people always one poor people to remain poor forever. Never want to progress as a Nation. You are not sharing your knowledge with other helping others to progress together. So poor people will be always there and as long as a nation a poor people, it will not progress. Look at China and compare the number of poor people. What your capable are doing?
中国作为一个国家整体向前发展，今天，他们是美国、欧洲甚至全世界范围最大的资产投资者。而在印度，富人永远富有，穷人永远贫困。永远不能取得国家整体发展。人们不会分享自己的知识帮助其他人共同提高。所以穷人将会一直存在，只要国家充满穷人，国家便不会发展。看看中国，对比一下穷人的数量。你要怎么做呢？
They do not stay to improve the situation, they are running to US, Europe and even smaller countries such as Singapore to contribute to others. The author wrote about Singapore, let it be Singapore, China, India, Japan or South Korea, all these people are basically chinese or with chinese majority or chinese look-alike people. What about the Indians, no matter how capable they are once the whites came to rule India for 210 years now, they are going to thier countries and be slave of the whites or the Chinese.
中国人不会坐等境遇改变，他们会跑到美国、欧洲甚至更小的国家像新加坡，为其他人做贡献。作者写到了新加坡，那就看看新加坡、中国、日本或韩国吧，这些所有国家的人基本上都是汉族人，或者是汉族以及类似汉族的人占大多数。而印度呢？不管印度人以前多能干，但白人统治了印度210年，但现在他们拥有了自己的国家，却又成为了白人或中国人的奴隶。
Singapore such a tiny island could progress without any natural resources including drinking water could progress and surpass India. So in a nutshell, even if the god re-incarnate in India to progress it, the god too will not be able to do it. The actual problem is with them-thier attitude against others. Always hoping someone to come and make the difference. How much have they done themselves? So this article is just a waste of time like how the author have wasted his time writing this.
新加坡这么小的一个岛屿，没有任何自然资源，甚至没有饮用水，但取得很大成就并且超过印度。总之一句话，即使上帝重新降临印度想带领印度发展，可能也无法成功。真正的问题在于印度人本身。总希望有人来并且做出改变。而他们自己又做了多少呢？所以读这篇文章就是在浪费时间，作者写这个也是浪费自己的时间。
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harro_prease Prion • 2 hours ago
it wouldn't matter if Modi is some extraterrestrial super being, india is not going to go even near China's pace of development in the foreseeable future. China had the most efficient bureaucracy in the ancient world.
就算穆迪是来自外星的超人类，也无法让印度在近期内追赶上中国发展的步伐。 中国在古代就拥有了高效的政府.
to put it into perspective. when Europe is in the dark ages and countries like india are still favor bloodline over ability and merit China already had a comprehensive nation wide civil service examination system where government officials are being appointed by their merit and knowledge, this was in 600AD.China had a centralized bureaucracy since 221 BC, india is still struggling in 2014.
放眼世界， 当欧洲还处于黑暗的中世纪，当印度之流的国家还把血统看得比能力和美德更重要时，中国在公元600年的时候已经拥有一个完善的科举考试制度。通过该系统中国选拔人才更注重其品德跟能力。中国自公元前221年就有了一个高度集权的中央政府，而到了2014年的今天，印度还在挣扎之中。
india needs a strong man to break the bad traditions of india and their spirits only then a new more efficient india can arise. just look at all late comers to the Industrialization, Imperial Germany had Bismark, Japan had Emperor Meiji and his militaristic followers, South Korea had their shares of dictators, China had Mao then Deng. Russia had Stalin. these are all strong men who first abolished the bad traditions of the old and planted the seed for each of those countries to prosper later.
印度需要一个强权人物来打破这个国家的旧俗以及旧思想，只有这样印度才能高效的崛起。看看那些对国家进行工业化的后进者：德意志帝国有俾斯麦，日本有明治天皇以及其军事上的追随者，南韩拥有前仆后继的独裁者，中国拥有毛邓，俄国有斯大林。这些强权人物都是通过打破这些国家的旧俗来让他们的国家有了未来崛起的可能。
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TruthandConsequence harro_prease • an hour ago
TruthandConsequence harro_prease • 一小时前
China's bureaucracy is not so "efficient" as it is brutal. Inherently corrupt, it moves thousands almost over night to accommodate some project in which millions of yuan have traded hands. The Chinese Communist Party exists to keep itself in power and nurtures a military and state police system which makes sure everything stays "efficient". After decades in power, the Chinese people have little to no say in their government - they are pawns in a giant Ponzi scheme where first in take advantage of those trying to get in....and those who do not make the grade emigrate while those who do not emigrate and still do not make the grade are forced to meander among the billion hoping for their shot while pulling a cart. India has its problems, but China's communist government may not be the nation to emulate. Taiwan may be the better choice - a far higher per capita gdp, economic success and a democratic government which gives the power of choice to the people.
比起高效，中国的官僚系统更加野蛮。存在着固有的腐败，为了给一些项目开路，他们可以在一夜之间让成千上万人背井离乡，其中的贪污金额巨大。中国共产党把权力牢牢的掌握在自己的手里，通过军队和警察系统来令一切保持“高效”。共产党执政几十多年来，中国人民在政府中根本没有发言权，他们是巨大的政府庞氏骗局里的一颗棋子，先进入政府系统的人总想利用后来者，那些没能进入政府系统的人就移民国外，而那些既没能进入政府系统又没能移民的中国人只能夹杂在上亿艰苦生活的中国人之间，期盼自己能有翻身之日。印度现在是碰到问题了，但是共产主义领导下的中国不是印度的最佳模仿对象，或许台湾更适合——拥有更高人均GDP, 成功经济，而且还是民主政府，人民拥有选择的权力。
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John Smith TruthandConsequence • an hour ago
You must be an American, using words like "Ponzi scheme","corruption","efficient". This post is about India. You have come to the wrong post.
你肯定是个美国人，满口都是“庞氏骗局，腐败，效率”。但这个是关于印度的帖子，出门右拐不送。
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marsilius John Smith • an hour ago
What Truth and C says here does shed light upon the economics and culture of the country with which India's economics and culture are being compared, above. It's helpful.
Truthc 很好的说明了中国的经济和文化。很有用。
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TruthandConsequence John Smith • an hour ago
This post is about what India can learn from China...China turned all that state power into a money machine, but it may not be the best country for India to emulate.
这个帖子是关于印度能从中国学到什么....中国把所有的国家权力都变成了赚钱机器，中国不是印度的最佳模仿对象。
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David Prion • 2 hours ago
twenty years ago,a lot of people say china will collapse soon,ten year ago,those people still say so.now,china is the biggest economic .sell twenty 24m car each year .
20年前人们在说中国会崩溃，十年前他们还在说，现在中国是第一经济大国了，每年卖出的汽车能绕地球两圈。
so ,F those naysayers,just be yourself,donot not mind what they say .
别管那些否定者，做好自己就好。
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talksense David • 2 hours ago
Indeed. A friend said China would fall apart in a few years, and I asked why in a few years, not any time in thousands of years?China is fraught with problems, so I didn't expect China could develop so fast. I think the reason is merely that Chinese worked hard while other people were complacent about their "system". Sometimes it's better to roll up sleeve and get things done than to just talk and feel good.
确实，我有朋友说中国会在未来几年内崩溃。我问他：“为什么是几年后而不是几千年后呢?” 中国确实存在很多问题，所以我以前并不认为中国会以这么快的速度发展。我认为（中国成功）的原因是中国人在别国人民对自己所谓的“体制”沾沾自喜的时候选择踏实苦干。有时候撸起袖子埋头苦干远比夸夸其谈满足现状来的好。
Looking at those Chinese in different countries, they are adaptable to environment (some can make living in the desert of Israel), and the current environment inside China - like it or not - isn't that bad at all. Dictatorship doesn't dictate that people can't get rich. I guess that's quite fair enough for diligent Chinese.
看看那些在他国的华裔，他们能适应任何环境（有些甚至能在以色列的沙漠发家），看看现在中国国内的环境——不管你喜欢与否——也没有那么糟糕。独裁并不是说阻止人们致富。我认为（独裁制度）对刻苦的中国人来说最合适不过。
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EUOLIGARCHY Prion • an hour ago
China has spent the last 40 years sending their best and their brightest to study business and economics at Western universities and then gain practical experience by working for some of the most prestigious financial firms in the West, after which time they repatriated back to China with incentives from the Chinese government to recreate those types of businesses in China. That is what India needs to learn from China.
40年来中国将他们最聪明的学者送到西方大学来学习商业跟经济学，这些学者在通过为西方最优秀的金融公司工作而获取了宝贵的工作经验后就选择回国。在中国政府的资助下，他们将西方的成功模式引用，复制到国内市场。我觉得这才是印度要学习的地方。
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Guest EUOLIGARCHY • 38 minutes ago
India's brightest students are already studying in western university..Unfortunately ,problem lies with the fact that these students rarely return back to India (may be they feel odd or see no future coming back) rather they help these western countries in future by becoming citizens of these countries.
印度最聪明的学生现在已经在西方大学学习了。问题是，由于他们觉得回国了不会有好的未来因此很少的学生会选择学成回国。他们宁可选择成为西方国家的公民来为那些西方国家来效劳。
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roselyn EUOLIGARCHY • 20 minutes ago
Some indians today are idolising the western culture and western ideology ...It should stop now It should ..LOOK EAST POLICY and becarefull taking money from CHINA.
如今有些印度人过度崇拜西方文化和理念。。应该适可而止，我们应该往东看！还有，我们从中国拿赞助的时候得小心点。
CHINA is not a country that can be trusted. They don't speak the truth. I don't understand them. I think the evil karl max had brought China into disaster.
中国是个不可信任的国家，中国人从不讲真话。我不理解他们，我认为邪恶的卡尔马克思将中国带入了灾难。
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piyu2cool Prion • an hour ago
India has a better example to emulate and that is America after WW2. America became the most prominent and influential country in 60s and 70s. Also America used to be the world leader in science and technology but not anymore. India should strive to become like America during space age. Sky is the limit. America of today is nothing like America that went to the moon.
印度有个更好的模仿对象，那就是二战后的美国。美国在20世纪六、七十年代成为当时最强大最具有影响力的国家。美国在过去也是世界上科学技术方面的领导者，不过现在已经不再是了。印度应该努力成为太空时代的美国。天高任鸟飞。现如今的美国跟当时登月的美国是两个完全不一样的国家了。
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Unless You Are the Mongols piyu2cool • an hour ago
In that case, India should probably begin supporting scientific institutions even more. They've done much in exploring space over the years (they launched a Mars probe during the shutdown last year), just think about what other wonders they could do in the next few.
如果是那样的话，印度应该在科研上投入更多。最近几年印度在探索太空上做的非常好（去年就算是关闭期间也成功发射了火星探测器）。让我们拭目以待他们创造更多奇迹。
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Rocky Prion • 2 hours ago
Well said
说的不错。
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Theon Prion • 2 hours ago
Indians need to stop raping everything that moves.
印度人只要别看到能动的东西就想着强奸就好。
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Eye Opener Theon • an hour ago
You have to stop being so DUMB !!
（针对Theon的言论）你最好不要这么愚蠢！！
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davefromsing Theon • 2 hours ago
It has to do with the Muslim psychology. They need to get rid of Muslims ASAP.
（针对Theon的言论）这和穆斯林有关。印度最好尽快除掉国内的穆斯林。
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Theon davefromsing • an hour ago
Lmao nice try cow worshiper. India is a Hindu country, and it is in the Hindu scriptures that raping your own mothers, sisters, and daughters are perfectly acceptable. That is the reason why Hindus rape without guilt or punishment.
（针对 davafromsing） 哈哈，说的不错你这个祀奉母牛的人（暗指其为印度教徒）。 印度是个印度教国家，印度教的教义认为强奸母亲，姐妹以及女儿是完全可以接受的。 这就是为什么印度教的强奸犯不会受到任何指控和惩罚。
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Korasree Theon • an hour ago
Hey brain dead, you better take your meds and go back to your hole d head.
（针对Theon）脑残！ 带上你的药滚回你mb里面去吧。
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Haruko Minamoto Prion • 38 minutes ago
Let's take a look at that system....
让我们看看那个制度。
China's economic growth tapering off, which is expected. However, the current growth stymied right now because of their absolute disregard for safety and pollution, leaving to pullouts of foreign investors. Future growth will also be hampered by lack of workers because of their 1 child policy. Usually aging society issue is a developed nation's issue like Japan and European nations, where our infrastructure is capable of making the adjustment. For a developing nation... that is unheard of and problematic.
正如预期，中国的经济发展正在放缓。现行中国发展现在面临困境是因为没有顾及到环保以及生产安全，现在我们也看到越来越多的国外投资者在撤离中国。中国未来的发展也会因为现行的计划生育政策而大受影响。通常来说，老龄化问题只有发达国家比如日本和欧洲国家才会面临的问题，而这些国家的基础设施建设有能力做出调整。对于一个发展中国家来说，如果发生了老龄化问题，那还真就是个问题了。
Of course, let's not overlook how every building, skyscraper, highway, bridge, etc... are made by the lowest bidder with millions embezzeled ... Should we remind ourselves of the super high-speed rail tragedy?
当然，我们也得重新审视中国的基建，每栋建筑物，每座摩天大楼，每条高速公路，每架桥梁背后都是官商勾结（竞标方通过高额贿赂官员来以最少叫价来竞标）-可别忘了当时那次超级高铁所酿造的悲剧。
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zhou jiamurong Prion • 2 hours ago
Well said.
说的不错。
India is India.
印度只能是印度。印度可以从中国身上学到什么
What India can learn from China
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/1 ... ndex.html?hpt=hp_c2
正文翻译:龙腾
Hong Kong (CNN) -- I met an entrepreneur recently who was comparing doing business in Asia's two biggest countries. "When I'm in India," he said, "I spend the first 40 minutes of any meeting exchanging niceties. In the last five minutes, we get to business." What about China? "We do business for 40 minutes. Right at the end, we chit-chat for five."
最近我遇到了一位企业家，他对比了亚洲两个大国的工作情况。“当我在印度”，他说道“每次会议开始时我们会花40分钟闲聊，然后在最后5分钟，我们才谈到正事。”“在中国的情况呢？”“我们用40分钟谈正事，在最后5分钟，我们才进行一些闲聊。”
It's only an anecdote, but the results seem to bear it out. China gets things done; India invents ways not to. China dazzles the world by hosting an impeccable Olympics; India struggles to complete basic infrastructure for the Commonwealth Games.
虽然仅是个趣闻，但似乎得到了一些结论。中国致力于做某事；而印度想办法阻止某事做成。中国主办了完美无瑕的奥运会，令世界赞叹。印度为了英联邦运动会历尽艰难才完成了基础设施建设。
Perhaps that's why it's fascinating to watch the rise of India's Narendra Modi, the man many believe will be India's next Prime Minister. Modi's sales pitch is simple: he gets things done. For Indians, it's a seductive notion: Can India be like China?
或许这正是为何我们乐于看到莫迪从印度政坛崛起的原因，很多人相信他将成为下一任印度总理。莫迪的方法非常简单：实干。有一个观想法对印度人非常具有诱惑力：印度能成为中国吗？
There is no doubt that India has room to improve. Consider productivity: India's ranks 60th in the world on the World Economic Forum's ranking of countries by competitiveness (China is 29th). Or consider ease of doing business: the World Bank ranks India 134th in the world. If you want to start a business, the World Bank says India ranks 179th in the world -- in other words, go ahead and explore opportunities in 178 other countries before you settle on India. It's as good as putting a "closed" sign on the shop door.
毫无疑问印度还有提高空间。从生产力方面，印度在全球经济论坛排名中竞争力处于全世界第60位（中国是第29位）。或者从做生意难易程度方面，世行将印度排在全球第134位。如果你想创业，世行排名中印度列179位。换句话说，印度前面还有178个国家，人们在前面178个国家尝试创业机会后才会选择印度，这就好比印度商店的门上挂着“停业”牌子一一样。
For businesses in India and beyond, Modi represents an end to red tape. India's financial markets are salivating at the prospect of his leadership -- stocks are up 20% since his candidacy was announced last September.
对于印度商业及其他领域而言，莫迪代表着要去终结这其中的繁文缛节。印度金融市场希望莫迪能够带领印度繁荣起来，自从去年9月他宣布参选后，股市上涨了20%。
If you speak to voters in his home state of Gujarat -- which has flourished with Chinese levels of growth under his leadership in the last decade -- Modi represents the joys of getting rich. Sounds familiar? That's because it evokes Deng Xiaoping, the Chinese premier who kick-started national reforms and an unprecedented period of growth.
如果你在他的家乡古吉拉特邦与选民们交谈，该地区过去10年间在他的领导下实现了与中国一样的发展水平。人们会说莫迪代表着走向富裕的喜悦。听起来熟悉吗？因为让人们想起了邓小平——最先领导国家改革并且随后取得前所未有的发展局面的中国总理。
It's not just Deng. Modi has been compared to a number of world leaders. Some say he would be like Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's visionary leader. (Note that implicit in these comparisons is the understanding that Modi could tend toward being authoritarian).
还不仅仅是邓。人们还把莫迪与很多国家领导人相比拟。有些人说他像具有远见的新加坡领导人李光耀（注意到这些对比中暗含着莫迪可能会走向专权。）
Others say the best person to compare Modi to is U.S. President Ronald Reagan -- because both were outsiders resented by traditional elites. Still others insist the best analogy is former British PM Margaret Thatcher, because of their shared appetite for privatization and small government.
还有人说与莫迪最相似的是美国总统里根，因为他们都是被传统精英们所憎恨的圈外人。然而，还有人坚称他最像英国首相撒切尔，因为他们都倡导私有化和小政府。
Modi could be any -- or none -- of those leaders. The truth is we just don't know; we don't have enough information about his track record, and how it could translate across India. But the larger point is that this is not just about Modi, it's about India.
莫迪可能会也可能不会成为上述任何一个领导人。因为没有人知道；我们对于他过去的成就了解不多，也不知道他将如何把这种成功向全印度推广。但更大的问题在于印度本身，而非莫迪。
The Carnegie Endowment's Milan Vaishnav rightly points out that even the most reform-minded prime minister would face many hurdles. Among them, Vaishnav cites a J.P.
卡耐基研究中心的威斯纳福援引了摩根大通公司的研究，指出即使是最具有改革思想的总理也会面对很多困难。
Morgan study of 50 of the central government's stalled investment projects: 40 of them fell through because of state, and not central, red tape. Constitutionally, there's little a prime minister can do about that, no matter how reform-minded.
摩根公司研究了50个由中央政府投资的失败项目：其中40个项目失败的原因在于地方政府的官僚习气，而不是中央。本质上看，总理对此也爱莫能助，不管他多么的想要改革。
Let me use another anecdote to explain the task ahead for the world's biggest democracy. Indians are infamous for being unpunctual. So, one wonders, is that genetic? Are Indians inherently prone to being late to meetings? The answer is no. Take an Indian who is unpunctual, and place him in New York -- he'll likely be on time for every meeting he schedules.
我们用另一则趣闻来解释一下这个世界上最大的民主国家前面所面临的困难。印度人以迟到著称。因此，人们会怀疑，这难道是遗传的吗？印度人骨子里就习惯于开会迟到吗？答案是否定的。找一个惯于迟到的印度人，把他放到纽约，每次会议他肯定会准时参加。
Similarly, a New Yorker would likely become unpunctual in New Delhi. The reason is that punctuality is based on economic incentive -- if everyone is always on time, then it makes sense to make an effort to be on time. It follows then, punctuality is based on inertia. If everyone's doing it, it's in your best interest to follow suit.
类似的，一个在新德里生活的纽约人也会变得不守时。因为守时这个习惯的形成是基于经济诱因的-如果身边每个人都是守时的，那么你也守时就变得有意义。由此可见，守时也是有惯性的。如果每个人都这么做，那么你也必须这么做，因为那样最符合你的利益。
In a free democracy like India, progress is based on inertia, too. Everyone needs to push at the same time. Indians can dream to have cities like Singapore, Hong Kong or Beijing. But to do so they will need more than just one reform-minded leader. They will need change from the bottom up.
对于印度这么一个自由民主国家来说，（国家）发展也是有惯性的。每个人都应该同时发力。如果印度人梦想着拥有如新加坡，香港以及北京那样的城市的话，他们需要做更多，仅仅一个有改革雄心的领导人对印度来说是远远不够的，这个国家需要由下而上的改变。
For better or worse, such is the nature of India's secular, constitutional democracy. India can certainly learn from China. But to do that, it doesn't have to become China. In the next few weeks and months, that is the issue Indians will be debating.
不论好坏，这就是印度世俗民主的本质。印度肯定能学习中国，但是印度没必要成为中国。在即将到来的几周或几个月内，印度人民将会就这个问题进行热烈的讨论。
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Prion • 3 hours ago
Prion 3小时前
If anything the new Indian leader may learn from China, is to never be afraid to try your own system. In the early days of reform China used many unorthodox methods that made Western economists shake their heads and scoff, and then ten years later they were all baffled at how the results were possible, and then had to redesign all their mathematic models to fit the Chinese data.
如果说真有什么值得新任领导人从中国学习的地方的话，那就是“不要害怕，走自己的发展道路”。中国改革初期也用了很多不“正统”甚至让西方经济学家摇头嗤笑的方法，仅仅十年之后这些（经济学家）就对他们所看到的（中国的成就）感到难以置信，然后他们不得不根据中国的经济数据来重新设计他们的计算模式。
The lesson here is, be confident but realistic of what country you are right now and never lose sight of what you set out to do. Do not simply copy European system, American system or even Chinese system, they won't work 100%. India needs to combine all the lessons learned from those countries, and come up with a model that fits their own need. And never get discouraged by those naysayers from us developed countries! Chinese economic planners have never listened to those trash talk but things turned out better for them anyway.
这其中我们可以借鉴的就是，自信，但以现实主义的眼光看待自己国家目前的情况，努力实现自己的目标。别简单粗暴的复制欧洲模式，美国模式甚至中国模式，他们的成功在印度不可能百分百复制。印度需要结合所有的成功案例来制定自己的发展方式。别因为来自发达国家的冷嘲热讽而灰心沮丧。中国的经济政策制定者从来就不会去听信这些垃圾言论，但最终他们还是取得了很好的效果。
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nav nag Prion • an hour ago
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MODI will improve manufacturing sector in INDIA . since we have lower Rupee value and more manual Labor than china , we can produce goods much more cheaper than them and at faster rate . we can sell all the products made in India to the world if we can maintain standards . only thing we need to learn from them at this point is improving the working skills of the huge educated population . we have around 3 million engineers graduating every year . if we can guide them in a right way by giving right training in industrial production we can see wonders. already we are good in information technology . if we can do that china is going to have some tough competition from us . we have more working population than them . only waiting for right leader to take right initiative . MODI has all ways focussed on manufacturing sector . so china here we come .now we can give some options to the world to buy things . from now on they wont say " everything is made in china" by western countries . we will give them options . hope in ten years we will achieve . and the editor is an Indian and i thought he would give more insight . our only focus should be manufacturing sector and that is the only thing we should learn from china .
穆迪将会改善印度制造业（这哥们真是无处不在啊）。因为我们拥有更低的卢布汇率以及比中国更丰富的人力资源，我们将会比中国人更快的制造出更便宜的产品。只要质量达标，我们将会看见满世界都是印度制造。我们现在唯一要向中国学习的地方就是提高广大受教育人群的工作能力。我们每年有三百万个工程师毕业。如果我们能够引领他们正确的发展方向以及正确的工业制造培训，我们将制造奇迹，我们现在做得很好的IT业（就是一个很好的例子）。如果那样印度对中国的竞争将会大大增强。我们较中国有更多的工作人口。我们仅仅在等待一个正确的领导人来给我们正确的指示。穆迪至始至终都在关注着制造业。中国，我们来了。现在人们有机会购买印度生产的产品了。从现在开始西方人不会再说”每样东西都是中国制造“了，我们将给他们选择的机会。希望十年之内我们能达到上述目标。这个主编是个印度人，我认为它能够给出更多有深度的见解。我们应该将所有都押在制造业上，这个才是我们要从中国学习的。
other than that we have NOTHING to learn from china . we have democracy and freedom for citizens . thats more than enough. now its time for producing goods to sell to the world . china here we come ." try to stop us if you can" guys we will improve slowly in other aspects also . first we need money to improve or eradicate poverty . so the Indian economy is already some what stable to recessions . when entire world has recession our economy did not shake in 2008 . our focus is to increase our income by production . we can havemore stable income . forget about all the nonsense racist comments saying "india is rape capital and poo in public" . they write to irritate us and they are mostly from fake ids . don't worry about morons and fake names . this shows they are ignorant fools and that they don't have much knowledge on India and that is the maximum input they have . i am optimistic . in ten years china is going to have tough competition from India in manufacturing and that is for sure .
除此之外我们没有什么好向学习中国的。我们的公民拥有民主跟自由，这已经绰绰有余，现在是时候向世界销售印度商品了。中国我们来了，敢来阻止我们嘛？大伙儿，我们在其他方面也会缓慢的发展。首先我们需要资金来改善和消除贫穷，让印度的经济有能力来抵御衰退。2008全球经济萧条只有印度岿然不动。我们的目标是通过制造来提高我们的收入。我们能拥有更稳定的收入。不要去管那些胡说八道种族主义的言论， 什么 ”德里是强奸之都， 在公共场合小便等等“。说这些话的人全部都是水军，只是为了来激怒我们。不要去管那些俗人跟水军，这些言论只是证明他们是无知的白痴而且对印度一无所知，他们说这种话的水平就代表了他们的智商。我很乐观，十年之内中国会在制造业方面受到来自印度的强力挑战，这是毋庸置疑的。
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dis gusting nav nag • 6 minutes ago
"and more manual sector in India" US and especially Japan has lesser population than India but why they strived? Henry Ford came up with automization system which brought revolution into American economy and followed by Japan. Manual Labour will not provide high quality goods at cheaper price because Manual Labour will never be cheap forever. This is the difference between China and India.
“印度将有更多的手工行业”，美国，提别是日本比印度人口少，但为何他们能够繁荣昌盛？福特开创了自动化系统给美国经济带来变革，并且被日本效仿。手工劳动永远无法提供物美价廉的产品，因为人力资本再也不可能便宜了。这就是中印之间的差异。
China progress as a nation. Today, they are the highest investors especially in properties in US and Europe infact all around the world. In India those rich people always one poor people to remain poor forever. Never want to progress as a Nation. You are not sharing your knowledge with other helping others to progress together. So poor people will be always there and as long as a nation a poor people, it will not progress. Look at China and compare the number of poor people. What your capable are doing?
中国作为一个国家整体向前发展，今天，他们是美国、欧洲甚至全世界范围最大的资产投资者。而在印度，富人永远富有，穷人永远贫困。永远不能取得国家整体发展。人们不会分享自己的知识帮助其他人共同提高。所以穷人将会一直存在，只要国家充满穷人，国家便不会发展。看看中国，对比一下穷人的数量。你要怎么做呢？
They do not stay to improve the situation, they are running to US, Europe and even smaller countries such as Singapore to contribute to others. The author wrote about Singapore, let it be Singapore, China, India, Japan or South Korea, all these people are basically chinese or with chinese majority or chinese look-alike people. What about the Indians, no matter how capable they are once the whites came to rule India for 210 years now, they are going to thier countries and be slave of the whites or the Chinese.
中国人不会坐等境遇改变，他们会跑到美国、欧洲甚至更小的国家像新加坡，为其他人做贡献。作者写到了新加坡，那就看看新加坡、中国、日本或韩国吧，这些所有国家的人基本上都是汉族人，或者是汉族以及类似汉族的人占大多数。而印度呢？不管印度人以前多能干，但白人统治了印度210年，但现在他们拥有了自己的国家，却又成为了白人或中国人的奴隶。
Singapore such a tiny island could progress without any natural resources including drinking water could progress and surpass India. So in a nutshell, even if the god re-incarnate in India to progress it, the god too will not be able to do it. The actual problem is with them-thier attitude against others. Always hoping someone to come and make the difference. How much have they done themselves? So this article is just a waste of time like how the author have wasted his time writing this.
新加坡这么小的一个岛屿，没有任何自然资源，甚至没有饮用水，但取得很大成就并且超过印度。总之一句话，即使上帝重新降临印度想带领印度发展，可能也无法成功。真正的问题在于印度人本身。总希望有人来并且做出改变。而他们自己又做了多少呢？所以读这篇文章就是在浪费时间，作者写这个也是浪费自己的时间。
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harro_prease Prion • 2 hours ago
it wouldn't matter if Modi is some extraterrestrial super being, india is not going to go even near China's pace of development in the foreseeable future. China had the most efficient bureaucracy in the ancient world.
就算穆迪是来自外星的超人类，也无法让印度在近期内追赶上中国发展的步伐。 中国在古代就拥有了高效的政府.
to put it into perspective. when Europe is in the dark ages and countries like india are still favor bloodline over ability and merit China already had a comprehensive nation wide civil service examination system where government officials are being appointed by their merit and knowledge, this was in 600AD.China had a centralized bureaucracy since 221 BC, india is still struggling in 2014.
放眼世界， 当欧洲还处于黑暗的中世纪，当印度之流的国家还把血统看得比能力和美德更重要时，中国在公元600年的时候已经拥有一个完善的科举考试制度。通过该系统中国选拔人才更注重其品德跟能力。中国自公元前221年就有了一个高度集权的中央政府，而到了2014年的今天，印度还在挣扎之中。
india needs a strong man to break the bad traditions of india and their spirits only then a new more efficient india can arise. just look at all late comers to the Industrialization, Imperial Germany had Bismark, Japan had Emperor Meiji and his militaristic followers, South Korea had their shares of dictators, China had Mao then Deng. Russia had Stalin. these are all strong men who first abolished the bad traditions of the old and planted the seed for each of those countries to prosper later.
印度需要一个强权人物来打破这个国家的旧俗以及旧思想，只有这样印度才能高效的崛起。看看那些对国家进行工业化的后进者：德意志帝国有俾斯麦，日本有明治天皇以及其军事上的追随者，南韩拥有前仆后继的独裁者，中国拥有毛邓，俄国有斯大林。这些强权人物都是通过打破这些国家的旧俗来让他们的国家有了未来崛起的可能。
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TruthandConsequence harro_prease • an hour ago
TruthandConsequence harro_prease • 一小时前
China's bureaucracy is not so "efficient" as it is brutal. Inherently corrupt, it moves thousands almost over night to accommodate some project in which millions of yuan have traded hands. The Chinese Communist Party exists to keep itself in power and nurtures a military and state police system which makes sure everything stays "efficient". After decades in power, the Chinese people have little to no say in their government - they are pawns in a giant Ponzi scheme where first in take advantage of those trying to get in....and those who do not make the grade emigrate while those who do not emigrate and still do not make the grade are forced to meander among the billion hoping for their shot while pulling a cart. India has its problems, but China's communist government may not be the nation to emulate. Taiwan may be the better choice - a far higher per capita gdp, economic success and a democratic government which gives the power of choice to the people.
比起高效，中国的官僚系统更加野蛮。存在着固有的腐败，为了给一些项目开路，他们可以在一夜之间让成千上万人背井离乡，其中的贪污金额巨大。中国共产党把权力牢牢的掌握在自己的手里，通过军队和警察系统来令一切保持“高效”。共产党执政几十多年来，中国人民在政府中根本没有发言权，他们是巨大的政府庞氏骗局里的一颗棋子，先进入政府系统的人总想利用后来者，那些没能进入政府系统的人就移民国外，而那些既没能进入政府系统又没能移民的中国人只能夹杂在上亿艰苦生活的中国人之间，期盼自己能有翻身之日。印度现在是碰到问题了，但是共产主义领导下的中国不是印度的最佳模仿对象，或许台湾更适合——拥有更高人均GDP, 成功经济，而且还是民主政府，人民拥有选择的权力。
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John Smith TruthandConsequence • an hour ago
You must be an American, using words like "Ponzi scheme","corruption","efficient". This post is about India. You have come to the wrong post.
你肯定是个美国人，满口都是“庞氏骗局，腐败，效率”。但这个是关于印度的帖子，出门右拐不送。
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marsilius John Smith • an hour ago
What Truth and C says here does shed light upon the economics and culture of the country with which India's economics and culture are being compared, above. It's helpful.
Truthc 很好的说明了中国的经济和文化。很有用。
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TruthandConsequence John Smith • an hour ago
This post is about what India can learn from China...China turned all that state power into a money machine, but it may not be the best country for India to emulate.
这个帖子是关于印度能从中国学到什么....中国把所有的国家权力都变成了赚钱机器，中国不是印度的最佳模仿对象。
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David Prion • 2 hours ago
twenty years ago,a lot of people say china will collapse soon,ten year ago,those people still say so.now,china is the biggest economic .sell twenty 24m car each year .
20年前人们在说中国会崩溃，十年前他们还在说，现在中国是第一经济大国了，每年卖出的汽车能绕地球两圈。
so ,F those naysayers,just be yourself,donot not mind what they say .
别管那些否定者，做好自己就好。
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talksense David • 2 hours ago
Indeed. A friend said China would fall apart in a few years, and I asked why in a few years, not any time in thousands of years?China is fraught with problems, so I didn't expect China could develop so fast. I think the reason is merely that Chinese worked hard while other people were complacent about their "system". Sometimes it's better to roll up sleeve and get things done than to just talk and feel good.
确实，我有朋友说中国会在未来几年内崩溃。我问他：“为什么是几年后而不是几千年后呢?” 中国确实存在很多问题，所以我以前并不认为中国会以这么快的速度发展。我认为（中国成功）的原因是中国人在别国人民对自己所谓的“体制”沾沾自喜的时候选择踏实苦干。有时候撸起袖子埋头苦干远比夸夸其谈满足现状来的好。
Looking at those Chinese in different countries, they are adaptable to environment (some can make living in the desert of Israel), and the current environment inside China - like it or not - isn't that bad at all. Dictatorship doesn't dictate that people can't get rich. I guess that's quite fair enough for diligent Chinese.
看看那些在他国的华裔，他们能适应任何环境（有些甚至能在以色列的沙漠发家），看看现在中国国内的环境——不管你喜欢与否——也没有那么糟糕。独裁并不是说阻止人们致富。我认为（独裁制度）对刻苦的中国人来说最合适不过。
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EUOLIGARCHY Prion • an hour ago
China has spent the last 40 years sending their best and their brightest to study business and economics at Western universities and then gain practical experience by working for some of the most prestigious financial firms in the West, after which time they repatriated back to China with incentives from the Chinese government to recreate those types of businesses in China. That is what India needs to learn from China.
40年来中国将他们最聪明的学者送到西方大学来学习商业跟经济学，这些学者在通过为西方最优秀的金融公司工作而获取了宝贵的工作经验后就选择回国。在中国政府的资助下，他们将西方的成功模式引用，复制到国内市场。我觉得这才是印度要学习的地方。
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Guest EUOLIGARCHY • 38 minutes ago
India's brightest students are already studying in western university..Unfortunately ,problem lies with the fact that these students rarely return back to India (may be they feel odd or see no future coming back) rather they help these western countries in future by becoming citizens of these countries.
印度最聪明的学生现在已经在西方大学学习了。问题是，由于他们觉得回国了不会有好的未来因此很少的学生会选择学成回国。他们宁可选择成为西方国家的公民来为那些西方国家来效劳。
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roselyn EUOLIGARCHY • 20 minutes ago
Some indians today are idolising the western culture and western ideology ...It should stop now It should ..LOOK EAST POLICY and becarefull taking money from CHINA.
如今有些印度人过度崇拜西方文化和理念。。应该适可而止，我们应该往东看！还有，我们从中国拿赞助的时候得小心点。
CHINA is not a country that can be trusted. They don't speak the truth. I don't understand them. I think the evil karl max had brought China into disaster.
中国是个不可信任的国家，中国人从不讲真话。我不理解他们，我认为邪恶的卡尔马克思将中国带入了灾难。
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piyu2cool Prion • an hour ago
India has a better example to emulate and that is America after WW2. America became the most prominent and influential country in 60s and 70s. Also America used to be the world leader in science and technology but not anymore. India should strive to become like America during space age. Sky is the limit. America of today is nothing like America that went to the moon.
印度有个更好的模仿对象，那就是二战后的美国。美国在20世纪六、七十年代成为当时最强大最具有影响力的国家。美国在过去也是世界上科学技术方面的领导者，不过现在已经不再是了。印度应该努力成为太空时代的美国。天高任鸟飞。现如今的美国跟当时登月的美国是两个完全不一样的国家了。
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Unless You Are the Mongols piyu2cool • an hour ago
In that case, India should probably begin supporting scientific institutions even more. They've done much in exploring space over the years (they launched a Mars probe during the shutdown last year), just think about what other wonders they could do in the next few.
如果是那样的话，印度应该在科研上投入更多。最近几年印度在探索太空上做的非常好（去年就算是关闭期间也成功发射了火星探测器）。让我们拭目以待他们创造更多奇迹。
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Rocky Prion • 2 hours ago
Well said
说的不错。
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Theon Prion • 2 hours ago
Indians need to stop raping everything that moves.
印度人只要别看到能动的东西就想着强奸就好。
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Eye Opener Theon • an hour ago
You have to stop being so DUMB !!
（针对Theon的言论）你最好不要这么愚蠢！！
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davefromsing Theon • 2 hours ago
It has to do with the Muslim psychology. They need to get rid of Muslims ASAP.
（针对Theon的言论）这和穆斯林有关。印度最好尽快除掉国内的穆斯林。
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Theon davefromsing • an hour ago
Lmao nice try cow worshiper. India is a Hindu country, and it is in the Hindu scriptures that raping your own mothers, sisters, and daughters are perfectly acceptable. That is the reason why Hindus rape without guilt or punishment.
（针对 davafromsing） 哈哈，说的不错你这个祀奉母牛的人（暗指其为印度教徒）。 印度是个印度教国家，印度教的教义认为强奸母亲，姐妹以及女儿是完全可以接受的。 这就是为什么印度教的强奸犯不会受到任何指控和惩罚。
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Korasree Theon • an hour ago
Hey brain dead, you better take your meds and go back to your hole d head.
（针对Theon）脑残！ 带上你的药滚回你mb里面去吧。
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Haruko Minamoto Prion • 38 minutes ago
Let's take a look at that system....
让我们看看那个制度。
China's economic growth tapering off, which is expected. However, the current growth stymied right now because of their absolute disregard for safety and pollution, leaving to pullouts of foreign investors. Future growth will also be hampered by lack of workers because of their 1 child policy. Usually aging society issue is a developed nation's issue like Japan and European nations, where our infrastructure is capable of making the adjustment. For a developing nation... that is unheard of and problematic.
正如预期，中国的经济发展正在放缓。现行中国发展现在面临困境是因为没有顾及到环保以及生产安全，现在我们也看到越来越多的国外投资者在撤离中国。中国未来的发展也会因为现行的计划生育政策而大受影响。通常来说，老龄化问题只有发达国家比如日本和欧洲国家才会面临的问题，而这些国家的基础设施建设有能力做出调整。对于一个发展中国家来说，如果发生了老龄化问题，那还真就是个问题了。
Of course, let's not overlook how every building, skyscraper, highway, bridge, etc... are made by the lowest bidder with millions embezzeled ... Should we remind ourselves of the super high-speed rail tragedy?
当然，我们也得重新审视中国的基建，每栋建筑物，每座摩天大楼，每条高速公路，每架桥梁背后都是官商勾结（竞标方通过高额贿赂官员来以最少叫价来竞标）-可别忘了当时那次超级高铁所酿造的悲剧。
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zhou jiamurong Prion • 2 hours ago
Well said.
说的不错。
India is India.
印度只能是印度。
What India can learn from China
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/1 ... ndex.html?hpt=hp_c2
正文翻译:龙腾
Hong Kong (CNN) -- I met an entrepreneur recently who was comparing doing business in Asia's two biggest countries. "When I'm in India," he said, "I spend the first 40 minutes of any meeting exchanging niceties. In the last five minutes, we get to business." What about China? "We do business for 40 minutes. Right at the end, we chit-chat for five."
最近我遇到了一位企业家，他对比了亚洲两个大国的工作情况。“当我在印度”，他说道“每次会议开始时我们会花40分钟闲聊，然后在最后5分钟，我们才谈到正事。”“在中国的情况呢？”“我们用40分钟谈正事，在最后5分钟，我们才进行一些闲聊。”
It's only an anecdote, but the results seem to bear it out. China gets things done; India invents ways not to. China dazzles the world by hosting an impeccable Olympics; India struggles to complete basic infrastructure for the Commonwealth Games.
虽然仅是个趣闻，但似乎得到了一些结论。中国致力于做某事；而印度想办法阻止某事做成。中国主办了完美无瑕的奥运会，令世界赞叹。印度为了英联邦运动会历尽艰难才完成了基础设施建设。
Perhaps that's why it's fascinating to watch the rise of India's Narendra Modi, the man many believe will be India's next Prime Minister. Modi's sales pitch is simple: he gets things done. For Indians, it's a seductive notion: Can India be like China?
或许这正是为何我们乐于看到莫迪从印度政坛崛起的原因，很多人相信他将成为下一任印度总理。莫迪的方法非常简单：实干。有一个观想法对印度人非常具有诱惑力：印度能成为中国吗？
There is no doubt that India has room to improve. Consider productivity: India's ranks 60th in the world on the World Economic Forum's ranking of countries by competitiveness (China is 29th). Or consider ease of doing business: the World Bank ranks India 134th in the world. If you want to start a business, the World Bank says India ranks 179th in the world -- in other words, go ahead and explore opportunities in 178 other countries before you settle on India. It's as good as putting a "closed" sign on the shop door.
毫无疑问印度还有提高空间。从生产力方面，印度在全球经济论坛排名中竞争力处于全世界第60位（中国是第29位）。或者从做生意难易程度方面，世行将印度排在全球第134位。如果你想创业，世行排名中印度列179位。换句话说，印度前面还有178个国家，人们在前面178个国家尝试创业机会后才会选择印度，这就好比印度商店的门上挂着“停业”牌子一一样。
For businesses in India and beyond, Modi represents an end to red tape. India's financial markets are salivating at the prospect of his leadership -- stocks are up 20% since his candidacy was announced last September.
对于印度商业及其他领域而言，莫迪代表着要去终结这其中的繁文缛节。印度金融市场希望莫迪能够带领印度繁荣起来，自从去年9月他宣布参选后，股市上涨了20%。
If you speak to voters in his home state of Gujarat -- which has flourished with Chinese levels of growth under his leadership in the last decade -- Modi represents the joys of getting rich. Sounds familiar? That's because it evokes Deng Xiaoping, the Chinese premier who kick-started national reforms and an unprecedented period of growth.
如果你在他的家乡古吉拉特邦与选民们交谈，该地区过去10年间在他的领导下实现了与中国一样的发展水平。人们会说莫迪代表着走向富裕的喜悦。听起来熟悉吗？因为让人们想起了邓小平——最先领导国家改革并且随后取得前所未有的发展局面的中国总理。
It's not just Deng. Modi has been compared to a number of world leaders. Some say he would be like Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's visionary leader. (Note that implicit in these comparisons is the understanding that Modi could tend toward being authoritarian).
还不仅仅是邓。人们还把莫迪与很多国家领导人相比拟。有些人说他像具有远见的新加坡领导人李光耀（注意到这些对比中暗含着莫迪可能会走向专权。）
Others say the best person to compare Modi to is U.S. President Ronald Reagan -- because both were outsiders resented by traditional elites. Still others insist the best analogy is former British PM Margaret Thatcher, because of their shared appetite for privatization and small government.
还有人说与莫迪最相似的是美国总统里根，因为他们都是被传统精英们所憎恨的圈外人。然而，还有人坚称他最像英国首相撒切尔，因为他们都倡导私有化和小政府。
Modi could be any -- or none -- of those leaders. The truth is we just don't know; we don't have enough information about his track record, and how it could translate across India. But the larger point is that this is not just about Modi, it's about India.
莫迪可能会也可能不会成为上述任何一个领导人。因为没有人知道；我们对于他过去的成就了解不多，也不知道他将如何把这种成功向全印度推广。但更大的问题在于印度本身，而非莫迪。
The Carnegie Endowment's Milan Vaishnav rightly points out that even the most reform-minded prime minister would face many hurdles. Among them, Vaishnav cites a J.P.
卡耐基研究中心的威斯纳福援引了摩根大通公司的研究，指出即使是最具有改革思想的总理也会面对很多困难。
Morgan study of 50 of the central government's stalled investment projects: 40 of them fell through because of state, and not central, red tape. Constitutionally, there's little a prime minister can do about that, no matter how reform-minded.
摩根公司研究了50个由中央政府投资的失败项目：其中40个项目失败的原因在于地方政府的官僚习气，而不是中央。本质上看，总理对此也爱莫能助，不管他多么的想要改革。
Let me use another anecdote to explain the task ahead for the world's biggest democracy. Indians are infamous for being unpunctual. So, one wonders, is that genetic? Are Indians inherently prone to being late to meetings? The answer is no. Take an Indian who is unpunctual, and place him in New York -- he'll likely be on time for every meeting he schedules.
我们用另一则趣闻来解释一下这个世界上最大的民主国家前面所面临的困难。印度人以迟到著称。因此，人们会怀疑，这难道是遗传的吗？印度人骨子里就习惯于开会迟到吗？答案是否定的。找一个惯于迟到的印度人，把他放到纽约，每次会议他肯定会准时参加。
Similarly, a New Yorker would likely become unpunctual in New Delhi. The reason is that punctuality is based on economic incentive -- if everyone is always on time, then it makes sense to make an effort to be on time. It follows then, punctuality is based on inertia. If everyone's doing it, it's in your best interest to follow suit.
类似的，一个在新德里生活的纽约人也会变得不守时。因为守时这个习惯的形成是基于经济诱因的-如果身边每个人都是守时的，那么你也守时就变得有意义。由此可见，守时也是有惯性的。如果每个人都这么做，那么你也必须这么做，因为那样最符合你的利益。
In a free democracy like India, progress is based on inertia, too. Everyone needs to push at the same time. Indians can dream to have cities like Singapore, Hong Kong or Beijing. But to do so they will need more than just one reform-minded leader. They will need change from the bottom up.
对于印度这么一个自由民主国家来说，（国家）发展也是有惯性的。每个人都应该同时发力。如果印度人梦想着拥有如新加坡，香港以及北京那样的城市的话，他们需要做更多，仅仅一个有改革雄心的领导人对印度来说是远远不够的，这个国家需要由下而上的改变。
For better or worse, such is the nature of India's secular, constitutional democracy. India can certainly learn from China. But to do that, it doesn't have to become China. In the next few weeks and months, that is the issue Indians will be debating.
不论好坏，这就是印度世俗民主的本质。印度肯定能学习中国，但是印度没必要成为中国。在即将到来的几周或几个月内，印度人民将会就这个问题进行热烈的讨论。
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Prion 3小时前
If anything the new Indian leader may learn from China, is to never be afraid to try your own system. In the early days of reform China used many unorthodox methods that made Western economists shake their heads and scoff, and then ten years later they were all baffled at how the results were possible, and then had to redesign all their mathematic models to fit the Chinese data.
如果说真有什么值得新任领导人从中国学习的地方的话，那就是“不要害怕，走自己的发展道路”。中国改革初期也用了很多不“正统”甚至让西方经济学家摇头嗤笑的方法，仅仅十年之后这些（经济学家）就对他们所看到的（中国的成就）感到难以置信，然后他们不得不根据中国的经济数据来重新设计他们的计算模式。
The lesson here is, be confident but realistic of what country you are right now and never lose sight of what you set out to do. Do not simply copy European system, American system or even Chinese system, they won't work 100%. India needs to combine all the lessons learned from those countries, and come up with a model that fits their own need. And never get discouraged by those naysayers from us developed countries! Chinese economic planners have never listened to those trash talk but things turned out better for them anyway.
这其中我们可以借鉴的就是，自信，但以现实主义的眼光看待自己国家目前的情况，努力实现自己的目标。别简单粗暴的复制欧洲模式，美国模式甚至中国模式，他们的成功在印度不可能百分百复制。印度需要结合所有的成功案例来制定自己的发展方式。别因为来自发达国家的冷嘲热讽而灰心沮丧。中国的经济政策制定者从来就不会去听信这些垃圾言论，但最终他们还是取得了很好的效果。
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nav nag Prion • an hour ago
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MODI will improve manufacturing sector in INDIA . since we have lower Rupee value and more manual Labor than china , we can produce goods much more cheaper than them and at faster rate . we can sell all the products made in India to the world if we can maintain standards . only thing we need to learn from them at this point is improving the working skills of the huge educated population . we have around 3 million engineers graduating every year . if we can guide them in a right way by giving right training in industrial production we can see wonders. already we are good in information technology . if we can do that china is going to have some tough competition from us . we have more working population than them . only waiting for right leader to take right initiative . MODI has all ways focussed on manufacturing sector . so china here we come .now we can give some options to the world to buy things . from now on they wont say " everything is made in china" by western countries . we will give them options . hope in ten years we will achieve . and the editor is an Indian and i thought he would give more insight . our only focus should be manufacturing sector and that is the only thing we should learn from china .
穆迪将会改善印度制造业（这哥们真是无处不在啊）。因为我们拥有更低的卢布汇率以及比中国更丰富的人力资源，我们将会比中国人更快的制造出更便宜的产品。只要质量达标，我们将会看见满世界都是印度制造。我们现在唯一要向中国学习的地方就是提高广大受教育人群的工作能力。我们每年有三百万个工程师毕业。如果我们能够引领他们正确的发展方向以及正确的工业制造培训，我们将制造奇迹，我们现在做得很好的IT业（就是一个很好的例子）。如果那样印度对中国的竞争将会大大增强。我们较中国有更多的工作人口。我们仅仅在等待一个正确的领导人来给我们正确的指示。穆迪至始至终都在关注着制造业。中国，我们来了。现在人们有机会购买印度生产的产品了。从现在开始西方人不会再说”每样东西都是中国制造“了，我们将给他们选择的机会。希望十年之内我们能达到上述目标。这个主编是个印度人，我认为它能够给出更多有深度的见解。我们应该将所有都押在制造业上，这个才是我们要从中国学习的。
other than that we have NOTHING to learn from china . we have democracy and freedom for citizens . thats more than enough. now its time for producing goods to sell to the world . china here we come ." try to stop us if you can" guys we will improve slowly in other aspects also . first we need money to improve or eradicate poverty . so the Indian economy is already some what stable to recessions . when entire world has recession our economy did not shake in 2008 . our focus is to increase our income by production . we can havemore stable income . forget about all the nonsense racist comments saying "india is rape capital and poo in public" . they write to irritate us and they are mostly from fake ids . don't worry about morons and fake names . this shows they are ignorant fools and that they don't have much knowledge on India and that is the maximum input they have . i am optimistic . in ten years china is going to have tough competition from India in manufacturing and that is for sure .
除此之外我们没有什么好向学习中国的。我们的公民拥有民主跟自由，这已经绰绰有余，现在是时候向世界销售印度商品了。中国我们来了，敢来阻止我们嘛？大伙儿，我们在其他方面也会缓慢的发展。首先我们需要资金来改善和消除贫穷，让印度的经济有能力来抵御衰退。2008全球经济萧条只有印度岿然不动。我们的目标是通过制造来提高我们的收入。我们能拥有更稳定的收入。不要去管那些胡说八道种族主义的言论， 什么 ”德里是强奸之都， 在公共场合小便等等“。说这些话的人全部都是水军，只是为了来激怒我们。不要去管那些俗人跟水军，这些言论只是证明他们是无知的白痴而且对印度一无所知，他们说这种话的水平就代表了他们的智商。我很乐观，十年之内中国会在制造业方面受到来自印度的强力挑战，这是毋庸置疑的。
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dis gusting nav nag • 6 minutes ago
"and more manual sector in India" US and especially Japan has lesser population than India but why they strived? Henry Ford came up with automization system which brought revolution into American economy and followed by Japan. Manual Labour will not provide high quality goods at cheaper price because Manual Labour will never be cheap forever. This is the difference between China and India.
“印度将有更多的手工行业”，美国，提别是日本比印度人口少，但为何他们能够繁荣昌盛？福特开创了自动化系统给美国经济带来变革，并且被日本效仿。手工劳动永远无法提供物美价廉的产品，因为人力资本再也不可能便宜了。这就是中印之间的差异。
China progress as a nation. Today, they are the highest investors especially in properties in US and Europe infact all around the world. In India those rich people always one poor people to remain poor forever. Never want to progress as a Nation. You are not sharing your knowledge with other helping others to progress together. So poor people will be always there and as long as a nation a poor people, it will not progress. Look at China and compare the number of poor people. What your capable are doing?
中国作为一个国家整体向前发展，今天，他们是美国、欧洲甚至全世界范围最大的资产投资者。而在印度，富人永远富有，穷人永远贫困。永远不能取得国家整体发展。人们不会分享自己的知识帮助其他人共同提高。所以穷人将会一直存在，只要国家充满穷人，国家便不会发展。看看中国，对比一下穷人的数量。你要怎么做呢？
They do not stay to improve the situation, they are running to US, Europe and even smaller countries such as Singapore to contribute to others. The author wrote about Singapore, let it be Singapore, China, India, Japan or South Korea, all these people are basically chinese or with chinese majority or chinese look-alike people. What about the Indians, no matter how capable they are once the whites came to rule India for 210 years now, they are going to thier countries and be slave of the whites or the Chinese.
中国人不会坐等境遇改变，他们会跑到美国、欧洲甚至更小的国家像新加坡，为其他人做贡献。作者写到了新加坡，那就看看新加坡、中国、日本或韩国吧，这些所有国家的人基本上都是汉族人，或者是汉族以及类似汉族的人占大多数。而印度呢？不管印度人以前多能干，但白人统治了印度210年，但现在他们拥有了自己的国家，却又成为了白人或中国人的奴隶。
Singapore such a tiny island could progress without any natural resources including drinking water could progress and surpass India. So in a nutshell, even if the god re-incarnate in India to progress it, the god too will not be able to do it. The actual problem is with them-thier attitude against others. Always hoping someone to come and make the difference. How much have they done themselves? So this article is just a waste of time like how the author have wasted his time writing this.
新加坡这么小的一个岛屿，没有任何自然资源，甚至没有饮用水，但取得很大成就并且超过印度。总之一句话，即使上帝重新降临印度想带领印度发展，可能也无法成功。真正的问题在于印度人本身。总希望有人来并且做出改变。而他们自己又做了多少呢？所以读这篇文章就是在浪费时间，作者写这个也是浪费自己的时间。
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harro_prease Prion • 2 hours ago
it wouldn't matter if Modi is some extraterrestrial super being, india is not going to go even near China's pace of development in the foreseeable future. China had the most efficient bureaucracy in the ancient world.
就算穆迪是来自外星的超人类，也无法让印度在近期内追赶上中国发展的步伐。 中国在古代就拥有了高效的政府.
to put it into perspective. when Europe is in the dark ages and countries like india are still favor bloodline over ability and merit China already had a comprehensive nation wide civil service examination system where government officials are being appointed by their merit and knowledge, this was in 600AD.China had a centralized bureaucracy since 221 BC, india is still struggling in 2014.
放眼世界， 当欧洲还处于黑暗的中世纪，当印度之流的国家还把血统看得比能力和美德更重要时，中国在公元600年的时候已经拥有一个完善的科举考试制度。通过该系统中国选拔人才更注重其品德跟能力。中国自公元前221年就有了一个高度集权的中央政府，而到了2014年的今天，印度还在挣扎之中。
india needs a strong man to break the bad traditions of india and their spirits only then a new more efficient india can arise. just look at all late comers to the Industrialization, Imperial Germany had Bismark, Japan had Emperor Meiji and his militaristic followers, South Korea had their shares of dictators, China had Mao then Deng. Russia had Stalin. these are all strong men who first abolished the bad traditions of the old and planted the seed for each of those countries to prosper later.
印度需要一个强权人物来打破这个国家的旧俗以及旧思想，只有这样印度才能高效的崛起。看看那些对国家进行工业化的后进者：德意志帝国有俾斯麦，日本有明治天皇以及其军事上的追随者，南韩拥有前仆后继的独裁者，中国拥有毛邓，俄国有斯大林。这些强权人物都是通过打破这些国家的旧俗来让他们的国家有了未来崛起的可能。
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TruthandConsequence harro_prease • an hour ago
TruthandConsequence harro_prease • 一小时前
China's bureaucracy is not so "efficient" as it is brutal. Inherently corrupt, it moves thousands almost over night to accommodate some project in which millions of yuan have traded hands. The Chinese Communist Party exists to keep itself in power and nurtures a military and state police system which makes sure everything stays "efficient". After decades in power, the Chinese people have little to no say in their government - they are pawns in a giant Ponzi scheme where first in take advantage of those trying to get in....and those who do not make the grade emigrate while those who do not emigrate and still do not make the grade are forced to meander among the billion hoping for their shot while pulling a cart. India has its problems, but China's communist government may not be the nation to emulate. Taiwan may be the better choice - a far higher per capita gdp, economic success and a democratic government which gives the power of choice to the people.
比起高效，中国的官僚系统更加野蛮。存在着固有的腐败，为了给一些项目开路，他们可以在一夜之间让成千上万人背井离乡，其中的贪污金额巨大。中国共产党把权力牢牢的掌握在自己的手里，通过军队和警察系统来令一切保持“高效”。共产党执政几十多年来，中国人民在政府中根本没有发言权，他们是巨大的政府庞氏骗局里的一颗棋子，先进入政府系统的人总想利用后来者，那些没能进入政府系统的人就移民国外，而那些既没能进入政府系统又没能移民的中国人只能夹杂在上亿艰苦生活的中国人之间，期盼自己能有翻身之日。印度现在是碰到问题了，但是共产主义领导下的中国不是印度的最佳模仿对象，或许台湾更适合——拥有更高人均GDP, 成功经济，而且还是民主政府，人民拥有选择的权力。
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John Smith TruthandConsequence • an hour ago
You must be an American, using words like "Ponzi scheme","corruption","efficient". This post is about India. You have come to the wrong post.
你肯定是个美国人，满口都是“庞氏骗局，腐败，效率”。但这个是关于印度的帖子，出门右拐不送。
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marsilius John Smith • an hour ago
What Truth and C says here does shed light upon the economics and culture of the country with which India's economics and culture are being compared, above. It's helpful.
Truthc 很好的说明了中国的经济和文化。很有用。
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TruthandConsequence John Smith • an hour ago
This post is about what India can learn from China...China turned all that state power into a money machine, but it may not be the best country for India to emulate.
这个帖子是关于印度能从中国学到什么....中国把所有的国家权力都变成了赚钱机器，中国不是印度的最佳模仿对象。
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David Prion • 2 hours ago
twenty years ago,a lot of people say china will collapse soon,ten year ago,those people still say so.now,china is the biggest economic .sell twenty 24m car each year .
20年前人们在说中国会崩溃，十年前他们还在说，现在中国是第一经济大国了，每年卖出的汽车能绕地球两圈。
so ,F those naysayers,just be yourself,donot not mind what they say .
别管那些否定者，做好自己就好。
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talksense David • 2 hours ago
Indeed. A friend said China would fall apart in a few years, and I asked why in a few years, not any time in thousands of years?China is fraught with problems, so I didn't expect China could develop so fast. I think the reason is merely that Chinese worked hard while other people were complacent about their "system". Sometimes it's better to roll up sleeve and get things done than to just talk and feel good.
确实，我有朋友说中国会在未来几年内崩溃。我问他：“为什么是几年后而不是几千年后呢?” 中国确实存在很多问题，所以我以前并不认为中国会以这么快的速度发展。我认为（中国成功）的原因是中国人在别国人民对自己所谓的“体制”沾沾自喜的时候选择踏实苦干。有时候撸起袖子埋头苦干远比夸夸其谈满足现状来的好。
Looking at those Chinese in different countries, they are adaptable to environment (some can make living in the desert of Israel), and the current environment inside China - like it or not - isn't that bad at all. Dictatorship doesn't dictate that people can't get rich. I guess that's quite fair enough for diligent Chinese.
看看那些在他国的华裔，他们能适应任何环境（有些甚至能在以色列的沙漠发家），看看现在中国国内的环境——不管你喜欢与否——也没有那么糟糕。独裁并不是说阻止人们致富。我认为（独裁制度）对刻苦的中国人来说最合适不过。
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EUOLIGARCHY Prion • an hour ago
China has spent the last 40 years sending their best and their brightest to study business and economics at Western universities and then gain practical experience by working for some of the most prestigious financial firms in the West, after which time they repatriated back to China with incentives from the Chinese government to recreate those types of businesses in China. That is what India needs to learn from China.
40年来中国将他们最聪明的学者送到西方大学来学习商业跟经济学，这些学者在通过为西方最优秀的金融公司工作而获取了宝贵的工作经验后就选择回国。在中国政府的资助下，他们将西方的成功模式引用，复制到国内市场。我觉得这才是印度要学习的地方。
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Guest EUOLIGARCHY • 38 minutes ago
India's brightest students are already studying in western university..Unfortunately ,problem lies with the fact that these students rarely return back to India (may be they feel odd or see no future coming back) rather they help these western countries in future by becoming citizens of these countries.
印度最聪明的学生现在已经在西方大学学习了。问题是，由于他们觉得回国了不会有好的未来因此很少的学生会选择学成回国。他们宁可选择成为西方国家的公民来为那些西方国家来效劳。
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roselyn EUOLIGARCHY • 20 minutes ago
Some indians today are idolising the western culture and western ideology ...It should stop now It should ..LOOK EAST POLICY and becarefull taking money from CHINA.
如今有些印度人过度崇拜西方文化和理念。。应该适可而止，我们应该往东看！还有，我们从中国拿赞助的时候得小心点。
CHINA is not a country that can be trusted. They don't speak the truth. I don't understand them. I think the evil karl max had brought China into disaster.
中国是个不可信任的国家，中国人从不讲真话。我不理解他们，我认为邪恶的卡尔马克思将中国带入了灾难。
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piyu2cool Prion • an hour ago
India has a better example to emulate and that is America after WW2. America became the most prominent and influential country in 60s and 70s. Also America used to be the world leader in science and technology but not anymore. India should strive to become like America during space age. Sky is the limit. America of today is nothing like America that went to the moon.
印度有个更好的模仿对象，那就是二战后的美国。美国在20世纪六、七十年代成为当时最强大最具有影响力的国家。美国在过去也是世界上科学技术方面的领导者，不过现在已经不再是了。印度应该努力成为太空时代的美国。天高任鸟飞。现如今的美国跟当时登月的美国是两个完全不一样的国家了。
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Unless You Are the Mongols piyu2cool • an hour ago
In that case, India should probably begin supporting scientific institutions even more. They've done much in exploring space over the years (they launched a Mars probe during the shutdown last year), just think about what other wonders they could do in the next few.
如果是那样的话，印度应该在科研上投入更多。最近几年印度在探索太空上做的非常好（去年就算是关闭期间也成功发射了火星探测器）。让我们拭目以待他们创造更多奇迹。
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Rocky Prion • 2 hours ago
Well said
说的不错。
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Theon Prion • 2 hours ago
Indians need to stop raping everything that moves.
印度人只要别看到能动的东西就想着强奸就好。
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Eye Opener Theon • an hour ago
You have to stop being so DUMB !!
（针对Theon的言论）你最好不要这么愚蠢！！
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davefromsing Theon • 2 hours ago
It has to do with the Muslim psychology. They need to get rid of Muslims ASAP.
（针对Theon的言论）这和穆斯林有关。印度最好尽快除掉国内的穆斯林。
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Theon davefromsing • an hour ago
Lmao nice try cow worshiper. India is a Hindu country, and it is in the Hindu scriptures that raping your own mothers, sisters, and daughters are perfectly acceptable. That is the reason why Hindus rape without guilt or punishment.
（针对 davafromsing） 哈哈，说的不错你这个祀奉母牛的人（暗指其为印度教徒）。 印度是个印度教国家，印度教的教义认为强奸母亲，姐妹以及女儿是完全可以接受的。 这就是为什么印度教的强奸犯不会受到任何指控和惩罚。
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Korasree Theon • an hour ago
Hey brain dead, you better take your meds and go back to your hole d head.
（针对Theon）脑残！ 带上你的药滚回你mb里面去吧。
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Haruko Minamoto Prion • 38 minutes ago
Let's take a look at that system....
让我们看看那个制度。
China's economic growth tapering off, which is expected. However, the current growth stymied right now because of their absolute disregard for safety and pollution, leaving to pullouts of foreign investors. Future growth will also be hampered by lack of workers because of their 1 child policy. Usually aging society issue is a developed nation's issue like Japan and European nations, where our infrastructure is capable of making the adjustment. For a developing nation... that is unheard of and problematic.
正如预期，中国的经济发展正在放缓。现行中国发展现在面临困境是因为没有顾及到环保以及生产安全，现在我们也看到越来越多的国外投资者在撤离中国。中国未来的发展也会因为现行的计划生育政策而大受影响。通常来说，老龄化问题只有发达国家比如日本和欧洲国家才会面临的问题，而这些国家的基础设施建设有能力做出调整。对于一个发展中国家来说，如果发生了老龄化问题，那还真就是个问题了。
Of course, let's not overlook how every building, skyscraper, highway, bridge, etc... are made by the lowest bidder with millions embezzeled ... Should we remind ourselves of the super high-speed rail tragedy?
当然，我们也得重新审视中国的基建，每栋建筑物，每座摩天大楼，每条高速公路，每架桥梁背后都是官商勾结（竞标方通过高额贿赂官员来以最少叫价来竞标）-可别忘了当时那次超级高铁所酿造的悲剧。
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zhou jiamurong Prion • 2 hours ago
Well said.
说的不错。
India is India.
印度只能是印度。印度可以从中国身上学到什么
What India can learn from China
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/1 ... ndex.html?hpt=hp_c2
正文翻译:龙腾
Hong Kong (CNN) -- I met an entrepreneur recently who was comparing doing business in Asia's two biggest countries. "When I'm in India," he said, "I spend the first 40 minutes of any meeting exchanging niceties. In the last five minutes, we get to business." What about China? "We do business for 40 minutes. Right at the end, we chit-chat for five."
最近我遇到了一位企业家，他对比了亚洲两个大国的工作情况。“当我在印度”，他说道“每次会议开始时我们会花40分钟闲聊，然后在最后5分钟，我们才谈到正事。”“在中国的情况呢？”“我们用40分钟谈正事，在最后5分钟，我们才进行一些闲聊。”
It's only an anecdote, but the results seem to bear it out. China gets things done; India invents ways not to. China dazzles the world by hosting an impeccable Olympics; India struggles to complete basic infrastructure for the Commonwealth Games.
虽然仅是个趣闻，但似乎得到了一些结论。中国致力于做某事；而印度想办法阻止某事做成。中国主办了完美无瑕的奥运会，令世界赞叹。印度为了英联邦运动会历尽艰难才完成了基础设施建设。
Perhaps that's why it's fascinating to watch the rise of India's Narendra Modi, the man many believe will be India's next Prime Minister. Modi's sales pitch is simple: he gets things done. For Indians, it's a seductive notion: Can India be like China?
或许这正是为何我们乐于看到莫迪从印度政坛崛起的原因，很多人相信他将成为下一任印度总理。莫迪的方法非常简单：实干。有一个观想法对印度人非常具有诱惑力：印度能成为中国吗？
There is no doubt that India has room to improve. Consider productivity: India's ranks 60th in the world on the World Economic Forum's ranking of countries by competitiveness (China is 29th). Or consider ease of doing business: the World Bank ranks India 134th in the world. If you want to start a business, the World Bank says India ranks 179th in the world -- in other words, go ahead and explore opportunities in 178 other countries before you settle on India. It's as good as putting a "closed" sign on the shop door.
毫无疑问印度还有提高空间。从生产力方面，印度在全球经济论坛排名中竞争力处于全世界第60位（中国是第29位）。或者从做生意难易程度方面，世行将印度排在全球第134位。如果你想创业，世行排名中印度列179位。换句话说，印度前面还有178个国家，人们在前面178个国家尝试创业机会后才会选择印度，这就好比印度商店的门上挂着“停业”牌子一一样。
For businesses in India and beyond, Modi represents an end to red tape. India's financial markets are salivating at the prospect of his leadership -- stocks are up 20% since his candidacy was announced last September.
对于印度商业及其他领域而言，莫迪代表着要去终结这其中的繁文缛节。印度金融市场希望莫迪能够带领印度繁荣起来，自从去年9月他宣布参选后，股市上涨了20%。
If you speak to voters in his home state of Gujarat -- which has flourished with Chinese levels of growth under his leadership in the last decade -- Modi represents the joys of getting rich. Sounds familiar? That's because it evokes Deng Xiaoping, the Chinese premier who kick-started national reforms and an unprecedented period of growth.
如果你在他的家乡古吉拉特邦与选民们交谈，该地区过去10年间在他的领导下实现了与中国一样的发展水平。人们会说莫迪代表着走向富裕的喜悦。听起来熟悉吗？因为让人们想起了邓小平——最先领导国家改革并且随后取得前所未有的发展局面的中国总理。
It's not just Deng. Modi has been compared to a number of world leaders. Some say he would be like Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's visionary leader. (Note that implicit in these comparisons is the understanding that Modi could tend toward being authoritarian).
还不仅仅是邓。人们还把莫迪与很多国家领导人相比拟。有些人说他像具有远见的新加坡领导人李光耀（注意到这些对比中暗含着莫迪可能会走向专权。）
Others say the best person to compare Modi to is U.S. President Ronald Reagan -- because both were outsiders resented by traditional elites. Still others insist the best analogy is former British PM Margaret Thatcher, because of their shared appetite for privatization and small government.
还有人说与莫迪最相似的是美国总统里根，因为他们都是被传统精英们所憎恨的圈外人。然而，还有人坚称他最像英国首相撒切尔，因为他们都倡导私有化和小政府。
Modi could be any -- or none -- of those leaders. The truth is we just don't know; we don't have enough information about his track record, and how it could translate across India. But the larger point is that this is not just about Modi, it's about India.
莫迪可能会也可能不会成为上述任何一个领导人。因为没有人知道；我们对于他过去的成就了解不多，也不知道他将如何把这种成功向全印度推广。但更大的问题在于印度本身，而非莫迪。
The Carnegie Endowment's Milan Vaishnav rightly points out that even the most reform-minded prime minister would face many hurdles. Among them, Vaishnav cites a J.P.
卡耐基研究中心的威斯纳福援引了摩根大通公司的研究，指出即使是最具有改革思想的总理也会面对很多困难。
Morgan study of 50 of the central government's stalled investment projects: 40 of them fell through because of state, and not central, red tape. Constitutionally, there's little a prime minister can do about that, no matter how reform-minded.
摩根公司研究了50个由中央政府投资的失败项目：其中40个项目失败的原因在于地方政府的官僚习气，而不是中央。本质上看，总理对此也爱莫能助，不管他多么的想要改革。
Let me use another anecdote to explain the task ahead for the world's biggest democracy. Indians are infamous for being unpunctual. So, one wonders, is that genetic? Are Indians inherently prone to being late to meetings? The answer is no. Take an Indian who is unpunctual, and place him in New York -- he'll likely be on time for every meeting he schedules.
我们用另一则趣闻来解释一下这个世界上最大的民主国家前面所面临的困难。印度人以迟到著称。因此，人们会怀疑，这难道是遗传的吗？印度人骨子里就习惯于开会迟到吗？答案是否定的。找一个惯于迟到的印度人，把他放到纽约，每次会议他肯定会准时参加。
Similarly, a New Yorker would likely become unpunctual in New Delhi. The reason is that punctuality is based on economic incentive -- if everyone is always on time, then it makes sense to make an effort to be on time. It follows then, punctuality is based on inertia. If everyone's doing it, it's in your best interest to follow suit.
类似的，一个在新德里生活的纽约人也会变得不守时。因为守时这个习惯的形成是基于经济诱因的-如果身边每个人都是守时的，那么你也守时就变得有意义。由此可见，守时也是有惯性的。如果每个人都这么做，那么你也必须这么做，因为那样最符合你的利益。
In a free democracy like India, progress is based on inertia, too. Everyone needs to push at the same time. Indians can dream to have cities like Singapore, Hong Kong or Beijing. But to do so they will need more than just one reform-minded leader. They will need change from the bottom up.
对于印度这么一个自由民主国家来说，（国家）发展也是有惯性的。每个人都应该同时发力。如果印度人梦想着拥有如新加坡，香港以及北京那样的城市的话，他们需要做更多，仅仅一个有改革雄心的领导人对印度来说是远远不够的，这个国家需要由下而上的改变。
For better or worse, such is the nature of India's secular, constitutional democracy. India can certainly learn from China. But to do that, it doesn't have to become China. In the next few weeks and months, that is the issue Indians will be debating.
不论好坏，这就是印度世俗民主的本质。印度肯定能学习中国，但是印度没必要成为中国。在即将到来的几周或几个月内，印度人民将会就这个问题进行热烈的讨论。
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Prion 3小时前
If anything the new Indian leader may learn from China, is to never be afraid to try your own system. In the early days of reform China used many unorthodox methods that made Western economists shake their heads and scoff, and then ten years later they were all baffled at how the results were possible, and then had to redesign all their mathematic models to fit the Chinese data.
如果说真有什么值得新任领导人从中国学习的地方的话，那就是“不要害怕，走自己的发展道路”。中国改革初期也用了很多不“正统”甚至让西方经济学家摇头嗤笑的方法，仅仅十年之后这些（经济学家）就对他们所看到的（中国的成就）感到难以置信，然后他们不得不根据中国的经济数据来重新设计他们的计算模式。
The lesson here is, be confident but realistic of what country you are right now and never lose sight of what you set out to do. Do not simply copy European system, American system or even Chinese system, they won't work 100%. India needs to combine all the lessons learned from those countries, and come up with a model that fits their own need. And never get discouraged by those naysayers from us developed countries! Chinese economic planners have never listened to those trash talk but things turned out better for them anyway.
这其中我们可以借鉴的就是，自信，但以现实主义的眼光看待自己国家目前的情况，努力实现自己的目标。别简单粗暴的复制欧洲模式，美国模式甚至中国模式，他们的成功在印度不可能百分百复制。印度需要结合所有的成功案例来制定自己的发展方式。别因为来自发达国家的冷嘲热讽而灰心沮丧。中国的经济政策制定者从来就不会去听信这些垃圾言论，但最终他们还是取得了很好的效果。
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nav nag Prion • an hour ago
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MODI will improve manufacturing sector in INDIA . since we have lower Rupee value and more manual Labor than china , we can produce goods much more cheaper than them and at faster rate . we can sell all the products made in India to the world if we can maintain standards . only thing we need to learn from them at this point is improving the working skills of the huge educated population . we have around 3 million engineers graduating every year . if we can guide them in a right way by giving right training in industrial production we can see wonders. already we are good in information technology . if we can do that china is going to have some tough competition from us . we have more working population than them . only waiting for right leader to take right initiative . MODI has all ways focussed on manufacturing sector . so china here we come .now we can give some options to the world to buy things . from now on they wont say " everything is made in china" by western countries . we will give them options . hope in ten years we will achieve . and the editor is an Indian and i thought he would give more insight . our only focus should be manufacturing sector and that is the only thing we should learn from china .
穆迪将会改善印度制造业（这哥们真是无处不在啊）。因为我们拥有更低的卢布汇率以及比中国更丰富的人力资源，我们将会比中国人更快的制造出更便宜的产品。只要质量达标，我们将会看见满世界都是印度制造。我们现在唯一要向中国学习的地方就是提高广大受教育人群的工作能力。我们每年有三百万个工程师毕业。如果我们能够引领他们正确的发展方向以及正确的工业制造培训，我们将制造奇迹，我们现在做得很好的IT业（就是一个很好的例子）。如果那样印度对中国的竞争将会大大增强。我们较中国有更多的工作人口。我们仅仅在等待一个正确的领导人来给我们正确的指示。穆迪至始至终都在关注着制造业。中国，我们来了。现在人们有机会购买印度生产的产品了。从现在开始西方人不会再说”每样东西都是中国制造“了，我们将给他们选择的机会。希望十年之内我们能达到上述目标。这个主编是个印度人，我认为它能够给出更多有深度的见解。我们应该将所有都押在制造业上，这个才是我们要从中国学习的。
other than that we have NOTHING to learn from china . we have democracy and freedom for citizens . thats more than enough. now its time for producing goods to sell to the world . china here we come ." try to stop us if you can" guys we will improve slowly in other aspects also . first we need money to improve or eradicate poverty . so the Indian economy is already some what stable to recessions . when entire world has recession our economy did not shake in 2008 . our focus is to increase our income by production . we can havemore stable income . forget about all the nonsense racist comments saying "india is rape capital and poo in public" . they write to irritate us and they are mostly from fake ids . don't worry about morons and fake names . this shows they are ignorant fools and that they don't have much knowledge on India and that is the maximum input they have . i am optimistic . in ten years china is going to have tough competition from India in manufacturing and that is for sure .
除此之外我们没有什么好向学习中国的。我们的公民拥有民主跟自由，这已经绰绰有余，现在是时候向世界销售印度商品了。中国我们来了，敢来阻止我们嘛？大伙儿，我们在其他方面也会缓慢的发展。首先我们需要资金来改善和消除贫穷，让印度的经济有能力来抵御衰退。2008全球经济萧条只有印度岿然不动。我们的目标是通过制造来提高我们的收入。我们能拥有更稳定的收入。不要去管那些胡说八道种族主义的言论， 什么 ”德里是强奸之都， 在公共场合小便等等“。说这些话的人全部都是水军，只是为了来激怒我们。不要去管那些俗人跟水军，这些言论只是证明他们是无知的白痴而且对印度一无所知，他们说这种话的水平就代表了他们的智商。我很乐观，十年之内中国会在制造业方面受到来自印度的强力挑战，这是毋庸置疑的。
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dis gusting nav nag • 6 minutes ago
"and more manual sector in India" US and especially Japan has lesser population than India but why they strived? Henry Ford came up with automization system which brought revolution into American economy and followed by Japan. Manual Labour will not provide high quality goods at cheaper price because Manual Labour will never be cheap forever. This is the difference between China and India.
“印度将有更多的手工行业”，美国，提别是日本比印度人口少，但为何他们能够繁荣昌盛？福特开创了自动化系统给美国经济带来变革，并且被日本效仿。手工劳动永远无法提供物美价廉的产品，因为人力资本再也不可能便宜了。这就是中印之间的差异。
China progress as a nation. Today, they are the highest investors especially in properties in US and Europe infact all around the world. In India those rich people always one poor people to remain poor forever. Never want to progress as a Nation. You are not sharing your knowledge with other helping others to progress together. So poor people will be always there and as long as a nation a poor people, it will not progress. Look at China and compare the number of poor people. What your capable are doing?
中国作为一个国家整体向前发展，今天，他们是美国、欧洲甚至全世界范围最大的资产投资者。而在印度，富人永远富有，穷人永远贫困。永远不能取得国家整体发展。人们不会分享自己的知识帮助其他人共同提高。所以穷人将会一直存在，只要国家充满穷人，国家便不会发展。看看中国，对比一下穷人的数量。你要怎么做呢？
They do not stay to improve the situation, they are running to US, Europe and even smaller countries such as Singapore to contribute to others. The author wrote about Singapore, let it be Singapore, China, India, Japan or South Korea, all these people are basically chinese or with chinese majority or chinese look-alike people. What about the Indians, no matter how capable they are once the whites came to rule India for 210 years now, they are going to thier countries and be slave of the whites or the Chinese.
中国人不会坐等境遇改变，他们会跑到美国、欧洲甚至更小的国家像新加坡，为其他人做贡献。作者写到了新加坡，那就看看新加坡、中国、日本或韩国吧，这些所有国家的人基本上都是汉族人，或者是汉族以及类似汉族的人占大多数。而印度呢？不管印度人以前多能干，但白人统治了印度210年，但现在他们拥有了自己的国家，却又成为了白人或中国人的奴隶。
Singapore such a tiny island could progress without any natural resources including drinking water could progress and surpass India. So in a nutshell, even if the god re-incarnate in India to progress it, the god too will not be able to do it. The actual problem is with them-thier attitude against others. Always hoping someone to come and make the difference. How much have they done themselves? So this article is just a waste of time like how the author have wasted his time writing this.
新加坡这么小的一个岛屿，没有任何自然资源，甚至没有饮用水，但取得很大成就并且超过印度。总之一句话，即使上帝重新降临印度想带领印度发展，可能也无法成功。真正的问题在于印度人本身。总希望有人来并且做出改变。而他们自己又做了多少呢？所以读这篇文章就是在浪费时间，作者写这个也是浪费自己的时间。
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harro_prease Prion • 2 hours ago
it wouldn't matter if Modi is some extraterrestrial super being, india is not going to go even near China's pace of development in the foreseeable future. China had the most efficient bureaucracy in the ancient world.
就算穆迪是来自外星的超人类，也无法让印度在近期内追赶上中国发展的步伐。 中国在古代就拥有了高效的政府.
to put it into perspective. when Europe is in the dark ages and countries like india are still favor bloodline over ability and merit China already had a comprehensive nation wide civil service examination system where government officials are being appointed by their merit and knowledge, this was in 600AD.China had a centralized bureaucracy since 221 BC, india is still struggling in 2014.
放眼世界， 当欧洲还处于黑暗的中世纪，当印度之流的国家还把血统看得比能力和美德更重要时，中国在公元600年的时候已经拥有一个完善的科举考试制度。通过该系统中国选拔人才更注重其品德跟能力。中国自公元前221年就有了一个高度集权的中央政府，而到了2014年的今天，印度还在挣扎之中。
india needs a strong man to break the bad traditions of india and their spirits only then a new more efficient india can arise. just look at all late comers to the Industrialization, Imperial Germany had Bismark, Japan had Emperor Meiji and his militaristic followers, South Korea had their shares of dictators, China had Mao then Deng. Russia had Stalin. these are all strong men who first abolished the bad traditions of the old and planted the seed for each of those countries to prosper later.
印度需要一个强权人物来打破这个国家的旧俗以及旧思想，只有这样印度才能高效的崛起。看看那些对国家进行工业化的后进者：德意志帝国有俾斯麦，日本有明治天皇以及其军事上的追随者，南韩拥有前仆后继的独裁者，中国拥有毛邓，俄国有斯大林。这些强权人物都是通过打破这些国家的旧俗来让他们的国家有了未来崛起的可能。
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TruthandConsequence harro_prease • an hour ago
TruthandConsequence harro_prease • 一小时前
China's bureaucracy is not so "efficient" as it is brutal. Inherently corrupt, it moves thousands almost over night to accommodate some project in which millions of yuan have traded hands. The Chinese Communist Party exists to keep itself in power and nurtures a military and state police system which makes sure everything stays "efficient". After decades in power, the Chinese people have little to no say in their government - they are pawns in a giant Ponzi scheme where first in take advantage of those trying to get in....and those who do not make the grade emigrate while those who do not emigrate and still do not make the grade are forced to meander among the billion hoping for their shot while pulling a cart. India has its problems, but China's communist government may not be the nation to emulate. Taiwan may be the better choice - a far higher per capita gdp, economic success and a democratic government which gives the power of choice to the people.
比起高效，中国的官僚系统更加野蛮。存在着固有的腐败，为了给一些项目开路，他们可以在一夜之间让成千上万人背井离乡，其中的贪污金额巨大。中国共产党把权力牢牢的掌握在自己的手里，通过军队和警察系统来令一切保持“高效”。共产党执政几十多年来，中国人民在政府中根本没有发言权，他们是巨大的政府庞氏骗局里的一颗棋子，先进入政府系统的人总想利用后来者，那些没能进入政府系统的人就移民国外，而那些既没能进入政府系统又没能移民的中国人只能夹杂在上亿艰苦生活的中国人之间，期盼自己能有翻身之日。印度现在是碰到问题了，但是共产主义领导下的中国不是印度的最佳模仿对象，或许台湾更适合——拥有更高人均GDP, 成功经济，而且还是民主政府，人民拥有选择的权力。
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John Smith TruthandConsequence • an hour ago
You must be an American, using words like "Ponzi scheme","corruption","efficient". This post is about India. You have come to the wrong post.
你肯定是个美国人，满口都是“庞氏骗局，腐败，效率”。但这个是关于印度的帖子，出门右拐不送。
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marsilius John Smith • an hour ago
What Truth and C says here does shed light upon the economics and culture of the country with which India's economics and culture are being compared, above. It's helpful.
Truthc 很好的说明了中国的经济和文化。很有用。
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TruthandConsequence John Smith • an hour ago
This post is about what India can learn from China...China turned all that state power into a money machine, but it may not be the best country for India to emulate.
这个帖子是关于印度能从中国学到什么....中国把所有的国家权力都变成了赚钱机器，中国不是印度的最佳模仿对象。
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David Prion • 2 hours ago
twenty years ago,a lot of people say china will collapse soon,ten year ago,those people still say so.now,china is the biggest economic .sell twenty 24m car each year .
20年前人们在说中国会崩溃，十年前他们还在说，现在中国是第一经济大国了，每年卖出的汽车能绕地球两圈。
so ,F those naysayers,just be yourself,donot not mind what they say .
别管那些否定者，做好自己就好。
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talksense David • 2 hours ago
Indeed. A friend said China would fall apart in a few years, and I asked why in a few years, not any time in thousands of years?China is fraught with problems, so I didn't expect China could develop so fast. I think the reason is merely that Chinese worked hard while other people were complacent about their "system". Sometimes it's better to roll up sleeve and get things done than to just talk and feel good.
确实，我有朋友说中国会在未来几年内崩溃。我问他：“为什么是几年后而不是几千年后呢?” 中国确实存在很多问题，所以我以前并不认为中国会以这么快的速度发展。我认为（中国成功）的原因是中国人在别国人民对自己所谓的“体制”沾沾自喜的时候选择踏实苦干。有时候撸起袖子埋头苦干远比夸夸其谈满足现状来的好。
Looking at those Chinese in different countries, they are adaptable to environment (some can make living in the desert of Israel), and the current environment inside China - like it or not - isn't that bad at all. Dictatorship doesn't dictate that people can't get rich. I guess that's quite fair enough for diligent Chinese.
看看那些在他国的华裔，他们能适应任何环境（有些甚至能在以色列的沙漠发家），看看现在中国国内的环境——不管你喜欢与否——也没有那么糟糕。独裁并不是说阻止人们致富。我认为（独裁制度）对刻苦的中国人来说最合适不过。
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EUOLIGARCHY Prion • an hour ago
China has spent the last 40 years sending their best and their brightest to study business and economics at Western universities and then gain practical experience by working for some of the most prestigious financial firms in the West, after which time they repatriated back to China with incentives from the Chinese government to recreate those types of businesses in China. That is what India needs to learn from China.
40年来中国将他们最聪明的学者送到西方大学来学习商业跟经济学，这些学者在通过为西方最优秀的金融公司工作而获取了宝贵的工作经验后就选择回国。在中国政府的资助下，他们将西方的成功模式引用，复制到国内市场。我觉得这才是印度要学习的地方。
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Guest EUOLIGARCHY • 38 minutes ago
India's brightest students are already studying in western university..Unfortunately ,problem lies with the fact that these students rarely return back to India (may be they feel odd or see no future coming back) rather they help these western countries in future by becoming citizens of these countries.
印度最聪明的学生现在已经在西方大学学习了。问题是，由于他们觉得回国了不会有好的未来因此很少的学生会选择学成回国。他们宁可选择成为西方国家的公民来为那些西方国家来效劳。
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roselyn EUOLIGARCHY • 20 minutes ago
Some indians today are idolising the western culture and western ideology ...It should stop now It should ..LOOK EAST POLICY and becarefull taking money from CHINA.
如今有些印度人过度崇拜西方文化和理念。。应该适可而止，我们应该往东看！还有，我们从中国拿赞助的时候得小心点。
CHINA is not a country that can be trusted. They don't speak the truth. I don't understand them. I think the evil karl max had brought China into disaster.
中国是个不可信任的国家，中国人从不讲真话。我不理解他们，我认为邪恶的卡尔马克思将中国带入了灾难。
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piyu2cool Prion • an hour ago
India has a better example to emulate and that is America after WW2. America became the most prominent and influential country in 60s and 70s. Also America used to be the world leader in science and technology but not anymore. India should strive to become like America during space age. Sky is the limit. America of today is nothing like America that went to the moon.
印度有个更好的模仿对象，那就是二战后的美国。美国在20世纪六、七十年代成为当时最强大最具有影响力的国家。美国在过去也是世界上科学技术方面的领导者，不过现在已经不再是了。印度应该努力成为太空时代的美国。天高任鸟飞。现如今的美国跟当时登月的美国是两个完全不一样的国家了。
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Unless You Are the Mongols piyu2cool • an hour ago
In that case, India should probably begin supporting scientific institutions even more. They've done much in exploring space over the years (they launched a Mars probe during the shutdown last year), just think about what other wonders they could do in the next few.
如果是那样的话，印度应该在科研上投入更多。最近几年印度在探索太空上做的非常好（去年就算是关闭期间也成功发射了火星探测器）。让我们拭目以待他们创造更多奇迹。
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Rocky Prion • 2 hours ago
Well said
说的不错。
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Theon Prion • 2 hours ago
Indians need to stop raping everything that moves.
印度人只要别看到能动的东西就想着强奸就好。
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Eye Opener Theon • an hour ago
You have to stop being so DUMB !!
（针对Theon的言论）你最好不要这么愚蠢！！
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davefromsing Theon • 2 hours ago
It has to do with the Muslim psychology. They need to get rid of Muslims ASAP.
（针对Theon的言论）这和穆斯林有关。印度最好尽快除掉国内的穆斯林。
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Theon davefromsing • an hour ago
Lmao nice try cow worshiper. India is a Hindu country, and it is in the Hindu scriptures that raping your own mothers, sisters, and daughters are perfectly acceptable. That is the reason why Hindus rape without guilt or punishment.
（针对 davafromsing） 哈哈，说的不错你这个祀奉母牛的人（暗指其为印度教徒）。 印度是个印度教国家，印度教的教义认为强奸母亲，姐妹以及女儿是完全可以接受的。 这就是为什么印度教的强奸犯不会受到任何指控和惩罚。
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Korasree Theon • an hour ago
Hey brain dead, you better take your meds and go back to your hole d head.
（针对Theon）脑残！ 带上你的药滚回你mb里面去吧。
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Haruko Minamoto Prion • 38 minutes ago
Let's take a look at that system....
让我们看看那个制度。
China's economic growth tapering off, which is expected. However, the current growth stymied right now because of their absolute disregard for safety and pollution, leaving to pullouts of foreign investors. Future growth will also be hampered by lack of workers because of their 1 child policy. Usually aging society issue is a developed nation's issue like Japan and European nations, where our infrastructure is capable of making the adjustment. For a developing nation... that is unheard of and problematic.
正如预期，中国的经济发展正在放缓。现行中国发展现在面临困境是因为没有顾及到环保以及生产安全，现在我们也看到越来越多的国外投资者在撤离中国。中国未来的发展也会因为现行的计划生育政策而大受影响。通常来说，老龄化问题只有发达国家比如日本和欧洲国家才会面临的问题，而这些国家的基础设施建设有能力做出调整。对于一个发展中国家来说，如果发生了老龄化问题，那还真就是个问题了。
Of course, let's not overlook how every building, skyscraper, highway, bridge, etc... are made by the lowest bidder with millions embezzeled ... Should we remind ourselves of the super high-speed rail tragedy?
当然，我们也得重新审视中国的基建，每栋建筑物，每座摩天大楼，每条高速公路，每架桥梁背后都是官商勾结（竞标方通过高额贿赂官员来以最少叫价来竞标）-可别忘了当时那次超级高铁所酿造的悲剧。
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zhou jiamurong Prion • 2 hours ago
Well said.
说的不错。
India is India.
印度只能是印度。
审核过了？
其实印度不缺人才
只是橘生淮南则为橘,生于淮北则为枳
只是橘生淮南则为橘,生于淮北则为枳
世界最大的民主国家不需要向一个专制国家学习。
民主制度将保证孟买继续领先上海。
民主制度将保证孟买继续领先上海。完了。
牧笛上台好多三哥都清醒了。
战忽局严重渎职，该当何罪！
牧笛上台好多三哥都清醒了。
战忽局严重渎职，该当何罪！
我很期待墓地怎么以一人之力改变整个印度，但愿不是又一个奥巴马。
其实中国的公共厕所也是不多的，我经常憋尿往大商场冲，路边公厕真的不多。