超级军网md终止了个人卡宾枪计划
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按照维基的说法，参加竞争的厂商木有人达到3592发的无故障可靠性要求，所以继续改进m4了，主要是更换重枪管和全自动射击功能。colt胜利了
ps：英文水平一般，翻错轻拍
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbine_Competition
On 13 June 2013, the U.S. Army formally cancelled the Individual Carbine competition. The Army said none of the carbines evaluated during testing met the minimum scoring requirement needed to continue to the next phase of the evaluation. Letters were sent to gunmakers involved to inform them that no future contract awards would be made for the soldier evaluation phase. PEO Soldier reported that no competitor demonstrated a significant improvement in weapon reliability to justify buying a new carbine. Weapons tested also had low reliability performance using M855A1 Enhanced Performance Rounds (EPR). Ultimately, the Army decided not to pursue a new carbine because of consideration of operational requirements in the context of available small arms technology, the constrained fiscal environment, and the capability of their current carbines.[3] One reliability requirement that was not reached by the vendors was firing 3,592 mean rounds without malfunctioning. In 1990, the M4 was required to fire 600 mean rounds between stoppages, while the current M4A1 fires 1,691 mean rounds between stoppages using M855A1 ammunition. PEO Soldier said that the new carbine had to be a superior improvement, not a small improvement. The Army has not released how close the competitors came to reaching the mean rounds between stoppages requirement, or how they performed compared to the M4A1. That information is seen as proprietary, and may be up to the manufacturers to release data. Analysis has not yet been done to determine if any exact event cause per vendor led to performance failures.
按照维基的说法，参加竞争的厂商木有人达到3592发的无故障可靠性要求，所以继续改进m4了，主要是更换重枪管和全自动射击功能。colt胜利了
ps：英文水平一般，翻错轻拍
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbine_Competition
On 13 June 2013, the U.S. Army formally cancelled the Individual Carbine competition. The Army said none of the carbines evaluated during testing met the minimum scoring requirement needed to continue to the next phase of the evaluation. Letters were sent to gunmakers involved to inform them that no future contract awards would be made for the soldier evaluation phase. PEO Soldier reported that no competitor demonstrated a significant improvement in weapon reliability to justify buying a new carbine. Weapons tested also had low reliability performance using M855A1 Enhanced Performance Rounds (EPR). Ultimately, the Army decided not to pursue a new carbine because of consideration of operational requirements in the context of available small arms technology, the constrained fiscal environment, and the capability of their current carbines.[3] One reliability requirement that was not reached by the vendors was firing 3,592 mean rounds without malfunctioning. In 1990, the M4 was required to fire 600 mean rounds between stoppages, while the current M4A1 fires 1,691 mean rounds between stoppages using M855A1 ammunition. PEO Soldier said that the new carbine had to be a superior improvement, not a small improvement. The Army has not released how close the competitors came to reaching the mean rounds between stoppages requirement, or how they performed compared to the M4A1. That information is seen as proprietary, and may be up to the manufacturers to release data. Analysis has not yet been done to determine if any exact event cause per vendor led to performance failures.
http://www.army.mil/article/1056 ... des_with_no_winner/
WASHINGTON (Army News Service, June 16, 2013) -- Soldiers will continue to use the M4 carbine or improved M4A1 carbine as their issued weapon, as the Army has concluded the Improved Carbine competition without having selected a winner.
During a media event June 14, at the Pentagon, Brig. Gen. Paul A. Ostrowski, with Program Executive Office - Soldier, said that none of the eight competitors in the Individual Carbine competition had been able to progress beyond phase 2 of the competition. As a result, the Army is not able to proceed any further with selecting a follow-on weapon for the M4.
"None of the vendors were able to meet the requirements to pass into phase three," Ostrowski said. "I want to be very clear -- none of the vendors met the minimum requirements to allow them to phase three. The Army is not canceling the Individual Carbine competition. The Army is in a position where it must conclude the Individual Carbine competition, because none of the competitors met the minimum requirement to pass into the next phase."
The eight competitors in the competition included Adcor Defense, Beretta, Colt, Fabrique Nationale, Heckler & Koch, Lewis Machine & Tool, Remington and Troy. Those competitors all passed phase one of the competition, but did not pass the second phase.
Ostrowski said that each weapon had a reason it failed to progress, but the Army has not yet done the forensics on the results to determine why each weapon did not progress to phase three. He said the Army will work with those competitors to find out what happened.
CONTINUING WITH THE M4
Right now there are more than 483,000 M4 carbines in the Army inventory. Ostrowski said surveys from Soldiers returning from combat have shown that Soldiers are happy with the weapon.
"We do extensive post-combat surveys after every unit redeploys from theater," Ostrowski said. "Over the past four years, the survey results have revealed that in compilation, over 80 percent of Soldiers are completely satisfied with the M4 coming out of theater. And that trend is moving upward. Over the last two years, it's actually been 86 percent Soldier acceptability for the M4. It's battle proven. It's lethal. It's accurate."
Ostrowski also said Soldiers are happy with the new round the Army first issued in 2010, the M855A1 round.
"We have experienced absolutely zero issues with the M855A1 round in combat," Ostrowski said. "It is a proven, lethal round, and has extreme acceptability on behalf of our Soldiers."
While Soldiers are happy with the current M4, and while the Army was looking for a follow-on weapon to eventually replace the M4 -- the Army has always pursued a "dual-path" strategy for the system, Ostrowski said. One path was replacement -- the Individual Carbine competition. The other path was continued improvements to the current M4.
The Army plans to convert all of its existing M4s to the improved M4A1. That conversion includes a heavier barrel, and also provides an ambidextrous selector switch that allows fully automatic capability as opposed to a three-round burst. Other improvements have been ongoing with the M4 since its introduction.
"We've made 92 improvements to the M4/M4A1 over the course of time since 1990, when the weapon was introduced. We will continue that trend," Ostrowski said.
A REPLACEMENT FOR THE M4
The Army originally proposed a replacement for the M4 in 2008. The eventual competition kicked off in 2011, with a draft solicitation to industry. The draft asked for a non-developmental weapon. Instead of working with the Army to develop something new, competitors would instead bring forward weapons they might already have available for sale.
The new weapon would need to be something that "could exceed the current capabilities of the M4," Ostrowski said. "The intent was to determine if there was a weapon that could meet a much greater standard, in terms of requirements that were challenging but achievable."
Ostrowski said in a replacement carbine, the Army's requirement's community is looking for increased lethality, increased range and increased accuracy. Right now, he said, the Army will continue to look at the developing state of small arms technology and current carbines, all while considering the current fiscal environment.
"All of these are things that will determine the Army's path going forward," he said. "I will tell you this, there is not an immediate move to engage in another competition at this time."
http://www.army.mil/article/1056 ... des_with_no_winner/
WASHINGTON (Army News Service, June 16, 2013) -- Soldiers will continue to use the M4 carbine or improved M4A1 carbine as their issued weapon, as the Army has concluded the Improved Carbine competition without having selected a winner.
During a media event June 14, at the Pentagon, Brig. Gen. Paul A. Ostrowski, with Program Executive Office - Soldier, said that none of the eight competitors in the Individual Carbine competition had been able to progress beyond phase 2 of the competition. As a result, the Army is not able to proceed any further with selecting a follow-on weapon for the M4.
"None of the vendors were able to meet the requirements to pass into phase three," Ostrowski said. "I want to be very clear -- none of the vendors met the minimum requirements to allow them to phase three. The Army is not canceling the Individual Carbine competition. The Army is in a position where it must conclude the Individual Carbine competition, because none of the competitors met the minimum requirement to pass into the next phase."
The eight competitors in the competition included Adcor Defense, Beretta, Colt, Fabrique Nationale, Heckler & Koch, Lewis Machine & Tool, Remington and Troy. Those competitors all passed phase one of the competition, but did not pass the second phase.
Ostrowski said that each weapon had a reason it failed to progress, but the Army has not yet done the forensics on the results to determine why each weapon did not progress to phase three. He said the Army will work with those competitors to find out what happened.
CONTINUING WITH THE M4
Right now there are more than 483,000 M4 carbines in the Army inventory. Ostrowski said surveys from Soldiers returning from combat have shown that Soldiers are happy with the weapon.
"We do extensive post-combat surveys after every unit redeploys from theater," Ostrowski said. "Over the past four years, the survey results have revealed that in compilation, over 80 percent of Soldiers are completely satisfied with the M4 coming out of theater. And that trend is moving upward. Over the last two years, it's actually been 86 percent Soldier acceptability for the M4. It's battle proven. It's lethal. It's accurate."
Ostrowski also said Soldiers are happy with the new round the Army first issued in 2010, the M855A1 round.
"We have experienced absolutely zero issues with the M855A1 round in combat," Ostrowski said. "It is a proven, lethal round, and has extreme acceptability on behalf of our Soldiers."
While Soldiers are happy with the current M4, and while the Army was looking for a follow-on weapon to eventually replace the M4 -- the Army has always pursued a "dual-path" strategy for the system, Ostrowski said. One path was replacement -- the Individual Carbine competition. The other path was continued improvements to the current M4.
The Army plans to convert all of its existing M4s to the improved M4A1. That conversion includes a heavier barrel, and also provides an ambidextrous selector switch that allows fully automatic capability as opposed to a three-round burst. Other improvements have been ongoing with the M4 since its introduction.
"We've made 92 improvements to the M4/M4A1 over the course of time since 1990, when the weapon was introduced. We will continue that trend," Ostrowski said.
A REPLACEMENT FOR THE M4
The Army originally proposed a replacement for the M4 in 2008. The eventual competition kicked off in 2011, with a draft solicitation to industry. The draft asked for a non-developmental weapon. Instead of working with the Army to develop something new, competitors would instead bring forward weapons they might already have available for sale.
The new weapon would need to be something that "could exceed the current capabilities of the M4," Ostrowski said. "The intent was to determine if there was a weapon that could meet a much greater standard, in terms of requirements that were challenging but achievable."
Ostrowski said in a replacement carbine, the Army's requirement's community is looking for increased lethality, increased range and increased accuracy. Right now, he said, the Army will continue to look at the developing state of small arms technology and current carbines, all while considering the current fiscal environment.
"All of these are things that will determine the Army's path going forward," he said. "I will tell you this, there is not an immediate move to engage in another competition at this time."
怎么不叫土鳖的厂竞争？土鳖的轻武器检验不是号称相当严格苛刻么
郁闷的雄猫 发表于 2013-6-21 12:33 
怎么不叫土鳖的厂竞争？土鳖的轻武器检验不是号称相当严格苛刻么
报告上校，美帝没有黄河，所以没有黄河水来进行可靠性检测~
怎么不叫土鳖的厂竞争？土鳖的轻武器检验不是号称相当严格苛刻么
报告上校，美帝没有黄河，所以没有黄河水来进行可靠性检测~
郁闷的雄猫 发表于 2013-6-21 12:33
怎么不叫土鳖的厂竞争？土鳖的轻武器检验不是号称相当严格苛刻么
渍油冥猪的军队怎么能用毒裁国家的武器
怎么不叫土鳖的厂竞争？土鳖的轻武器检验不是号称相当严格苛刻么
渍油冥猪的军队怎么能用毒裁国家的武器
郁闷的雄猫 发表于 2013-6-21 12:33
怎么不叫土鳖的厂竞争？土鳖的轻武器检验不是号称相当严格苛刻么
按95 千分之0.4~0.6 的故障率，也达不到这个要求，81的故障率千分之0.3，勉强合格，其实还是差点。但这只是可靠性一项，再比比精度，全部淘汰......
郁闷的雄猫 发表于 2013-6-21 12:33
怎么不叫土鳖的厂竞争？土鳖的轻武器检验不是号称相当严格苛刻么
按95 千分之0.4~0.6 的故障率，也达不到这个要求，81的故障率千分之0.3，勉强合格，其实还是差点。但这只是可靠性一项，再比比精度，全部淘汰......
说起来,
M4达得到3592发的无故障可靠性要求吗-_-
M4达得到3592发的无故障可靠性要求吗-_-
品天里炎 发表于 2013-6-21 23:33
说起来,
M4达得到3592发的无故障可靠性要求吗-_-
按美国风沙试验的结果，别说M4，就连HK416都达不到。这个故障率要低到千分之0.278，风沙试验中最好的XM8故障率也高出这个数字一点。
好像美国人是说，既然都达不到这个要求，还是继续用M4算了。
品天里炎 发表于 2013-6-21 23:33
说起来,
M4达得到3592发的无故障可靠性要求吗-_-
按美国风沙试验的结果，别说M4，就连HK416都达不到。这个故障率要低到千分之0.278，风沙试验中最好的XM8故障率也高出这个数字一点。
好像美国人是说，既然都达不到这个要求，还是继续用M4算了。
不知所谓 发表于 2013-6-22 00:29
按美国风沙试验的结果，别说M4，就连HK416都达不到。这个故障率要低到千分之0.278，风沙试验中最好的XM ...
估计是的
按美国风沙试验的结果，别说M4，就连HK416都达不到。这个故障率要低到千分之0.278，风沙试验中最好的XM ...
估计是的
啥叫个人卡宾枪计划，难不成还有清末时几人合用的抬枪不成？
容克87G 发表于 2013-6-22 03:38
啥叫个人卡宾枪计划，难不成还有清末时几人合用的抬枪不成？
吐糟得好。项目命名的语死早
啥叫个人卡宾枪计划，难不成还有清末时几人合用的抬枪不成？
吐糟得好。项目命名的语死早
也许人家的意思是单兵卡宾枪
品天里炎 发表于 2013-6-21 23:33
说起来,
M4达得到3592发的无故障可靠性要求吗-_-
按wiki的说法，m4是600发
On 13 June 2013, the U.S. Army formally cancelled the Individual Carbine competition. The Army said none of the carbines evaluated during testing met the minimum scoring requirement needed to continue to the next phase of the evaluation. Letters were sent to gunmakers involved to inform them that no future contract awards would be made for the soldier evaluation phase. PEO Soldier reported that no competitor demonstrated a significant improvement in weapon reliability to justify buying a new carbine. Weapons tested also had low reliability performance using M855A1 Enhanced Performance Rounds (EPR). Ultimately, the Army decided not to pursue a new carbine because of consideration of operational requirements in the context of available small arms technology, the constrained fiscal environment, and the capability of their current carbines.[3] One reliability requirement that was not reached by the vendors was firing 3,592 mean rounds without malfunctioning. In 1990, the M4 was required to fire 600 mean rounds between stoppages, while the current M4A1 fires 1,691 mean rounds between stoppages using M855A1 ammunition. PEO Soldier said that the new carbine had to be a superior improvement, not a small improvement. The Army has not released how close the competitors came to reaching the mean rounds between stoppages requirement, or how they performed compared to the M4A1. That information is seen as proprietary, and may be up to the manufacturers to release data. Analysis has not yet been done to determine if any exact event cause per vendor led to performance failures.
说起来,
M4达得到3592发的无故障可靠性要求吗-_-
按wiki的说法，m4是600发
On 13 June 2013, the U.S. Army formally cancelled the Individual Carbine competition. The Army said none of the carbines evaluated during testing met the minimum scoring requirement needed to continue to the next phase of the evaluation. Letters were sent to gunmakers involved to inform them that no future contract awards would be made for the soldier evaluation phase. PEO Soldier reported that no competitor demonstrated a significant improvement in weapon reliability to justify buying a new carbine. Weapons tested also had low reliability performance using M855A1 Enhanced Performance Rounds (EPR). Ultimately, the Army decided not to pursue a new carbine because of consideration of operational requirements in the context of available small arms technology, the constrained fiscal environment, and the capability of their current carbines.[3] One reliability requirement that was not reached by the vendors was firing 3,592 mean rounds without malfunctioning. In 1990, the M4 was required to fire 600 mean rounds between stoppages, while the current M4A1 fires 1,691 mean rounds between stoppages using M855A1 ammunition. PEO Soldier said that the new carbine had to be a superior improvement, not a small improvement. The Army has not released how close the competitors came to reaching the mean rounds between stoppages requirement, or how they performed compared to the M4A1. That information is seen as proprietary, and may be up to the manufacturers to release data. Analysis has not yet been done to determine if any exact event cause per vendor led to performance failures.
不知所谓 发表于 2013-6-21 16:07
按95 千分之4~6 的故障率，也达不到这个要求，81的故障率千分之3，勉强合格。但这只是可靠性一项，再比 ...
同意。。。。又想可靠。。。又想精度好。。。。咋可能啊。。。建议MD别折腾了。。。
按95 千分之4~6 的故障率，也达不到这个要求，81的故障率千分之3，勉强合格。但这只是可靠性一项，再比 ...
同意。。。。又想可靠。。。又想精度好。。。。咋可能啊。。。建议MD别折腾了。。。
j10f22f35 发表于 2013-6-23 00:32
同意。。。。又想可靠。。。又想精度好。。。。咋可能啊。。。建议MD别折腾了。。。
面对这个指标，你们终于在系统的威力狡猾的投降了
同意。。。。又想可靠。。。又想精度好。。。。咋可能啊。。。建议MD别折腾了。。。
面对这个指标，你们终于在系统的威力狡猾的投降了
不知所谓 发表于 2013-6-21 16:07
按95 千分之0.4~0.6 的故障率，也达不到这个要求，81的故障率千分之0.3，勉强合格，其实还是差点。但这 ...
总感觉美国陆军对于先进枪械的要求非常变态，以至于到了人类无法满足的地步。就像80年代的ACR的变态要求一样。
按95 千分之0.4~0.6 的故障率，也达不到这个要求，81的故障率千分之0.3，勉强合格，其实还是差点。但这 ...
总感觉美国陆军对于先进枪械的要求非常变态，以至于到了人类无法满足的地步。就像80年代的ACR的变态要求一样。
和警察们讨论枪械有点怪怪的，一边是正义的化身，一边是杀人的利器，就像和警察讨论哪些刀砍人威力大一样。
所以，我觉得轻兵应该合并到陆版，謷务应该单独成版，列于各版之前或讨论畅谈的前面最好。
和警察们讨论枪械有点怪怪的，一边是正义的化身，一边是杀人的利器，就像和警察讨论哪些刀砍人威力大一样。
所以，我觉得轻兵应该合并到陆版，謷务应该单独成版，列于各版之前或讨论畅谈的前面最好。
这好大一块肥肉就没了。