超级军网印度空军宣布米格-21退役时间再度推迟2年到2019年，新飞 ...
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印度米格-21已用了50多年，损失了一半的数量，奈何试验性的LCA MK1量产仍未开始，理论上有实战能力换F414的LCA MK2研制工作还需要X年，替换米格-21仍不知何时
阵风引进项目也没有响动了
After having served for half a century as the mainstay Indian combat aircraft, the much maligned MiG 21 fighters may get yet another life extension due to delays in modernisation programmes of the Indian Air Force.
The IAF, which celebrated 50 years of the MiG 21 in its service with a book release function by Air Chief N A K Browne, has said that 264 fighters continue to remain in service and may even be part of the active fleet till 2018-19.
This is a two-year extension in service of the fighters — upgraded several times — that were scheduled to retire by 2017, as per Defence Ministry statements.
The extension of two years, at a time when the focus has returned on their poor safety record due to a large number of accidents, will most likely not be for the entire MiG 21 fleet, but the Bison variant.
The MiG 21 fleet was to be originally replaced by the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), but with the indigenous fighter still nowhere close to reaching full operational capabilities, the IAF had opted for a medium combat aircraft contest that has been won by Rafale. However, with a contract yet to be signed, it may take at least four years for the first of the new fighters to come in.
Speaking at a function after releasing the book "First to the Last: 50 years of MiG -215 with the IAF" by Air Marshal Philip Rajkumar (retd) and Pushpinder Singh, Air Chief Browne said the MiG 21 fleet still forms a major chunk of the IAF fighter strength. He pointed out that out of the 874 aircraft ordered by the IAF, 264 are still flying and has always had an 'aggressive edge'.
Several serving and retired IAF personnel who have flow the fighters over the last 50 years were present at the function that took place here. Also present were Russian Ambassador Alexander Kadakin and Sergey Korotkov, Director General RAC (MiG), who lead a team of officials from the aircraft manufacturer.
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印度米格-21已用了50多年，损失了一半的数量，奈何试验性的LCA MK1量产仍未开始，理论上有实战能力换F414的LCA MK2研制工作还需要X年，替换米格-21仍不知何时
阵风引进项目也没有响动了
After having served for half a century as the mainstay Indian combat aircraft, the much maligned MiG 21 fighters may get yet another life extension due to delays in modernisation programmes of the Indian Air Force.
The IAF, which celebrated 50 years of the MiG 21 in its service with a book release function by Air Chief N A K Browne, has said that 264 fighters continue to remain in service and may even be part of the active fleet till 2018-19.
This is a two-year extension in service of the fighters — upgraded several times — that were scheduled to retire by 2017, as per Defence Ministry statements.
The extension of two years, at a time when the focus has returned on their poor safety record due to a large number of accidents, will most likely not be for the entire MiG 21 fleet, but the Bison variant.
The MiG 21 fleet was to be originally replaced by the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), but with the indigenous fighter still nowhere close to reaching full operational capabilities, the IAF had opted for a medium combat aircraft contest that has been won by Rafale. However, with a contract yet to be signed, it may take at least four years for the first of the new fighters to come in.
Speaking at a function after releasing the book "First to the Last: 50 years of MiG -215 with the IAF" by Air Marshal Philip Rajkumar (retd) and Pushpinder Singh, Air Chief Browne said the MiG 21 fleet still forms a major chunk of the IAF fighter strength. He pointed out that out of the 874 aircraft ordered by the IAF, 264 are still flying and has always had an 'aggressive edge'.
Several serving and retired IAF personnel who have flow the fighters over the last 50 years were present at the function that took place here. Also present were Russian Ambassador Alexander Kadakin and Sergey Korotkov, Director General RAC (MiG), who lead a team of officials from the aircraft manufacturer.
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印度米格-21已用了50多年，损失了一半的数量，奈何试验性的LCA MK1量产仍未开始，理论上有实战能力换F414的LCA MK2研制工作还需要X年，替换米格-21仍不知何时
阵风引进项目也没有响动了
After having served for half a century as the mainstay Indian combat aircraft, the much maligned MiG 21 fighters may get yet another life extension due to delays in modernisation programmes of the Indian Air Force.
The IAF, which celebrated 50 years of the MiG 21 in its service with a book release function by Air Chief N A K Browne, has said that 264 fighters continue to remain in service and may even be part of the active fleet till 2018-19.
This is a two-year extension in service of the fighters — upgraded several times — that were scheduled to retire by 2017, as per Defence Ministry statements.
The extension of two years, at a time when the focus has returned on their poor safety record due to a large number of accidents, will most likely not be for the entire MiG 21 fleet, but the Bison variant.
The MiG 21 fleet was to be originally replaced by the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), but with the indigenous fighter still nowhere close to reaching full operational capabilities, the IAF had opted for a medium combat aircraft contest that has been won by Rafale. However, with a contract yet to be signed, it may take at least four years for the first of the new fighters to come in.
Speaking at a function after releasing the book "First to the Last: 50 years of MiG -215 with the IAF" by Air Marshal Philip Rajkumar (retd) and Pushpinder Singh, Air Chief Browne said the MiG 21 fleet still forms a major chunk of the IAF fighter strength. He pointed out that out of the 874 aircraft ordered by the IAF, 264 are still flying and has always had an 'aggressive edge'.
Several serving and retired IAF personnel who have flow the fighters over the last 50 years were present at the function that took place here. Also present were Russian Ambassador Alexander Kadakin and Sergey Korotkov, Director General RAC (MiG), who lead a team of officials from the aircraft manufacturer.
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印度米格-21已用了50多年，损失了一半的数量，奈何试验性的LCA MK1量产仍未开始，理论上有实战能力换F414的LCA MK2研制工作还需要X年，替换米格-21仍不知何时
阵风引进项目也没有响动了
After having served for half a century as the mainstay Indian combat aircraft, the much maligned MiG 21 fighters may get yet another life extension due to delays in modernisation programmes of the Indian Air Force.
The IAF, which celebrated 50 years of the MiG 21 in its service with a book release function by Air Chief N A K Browne, has said that 264 fighters continue to remain in service and may even be part of the active fleet till 2018-19.
This is a two-year extension in service of the fighters — upgraded several times — that were scheduled to retire by 2017, as per Defence Ministry statements.
The extension of two years, at a time when the focus has returned on their poor safety record due to a large number of accidents, will most likely not be for the entire MiG 21 fleet, but the Bison variant.
The MiG 21 fleet was to be originally replaced by the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), but with the indigenous fighter still nowhere close to reaching full operational capabilities, the IAF had opted for a medium combat aircraft contest that has been won by Rafale. However, with a contract yet to be signed, it may take at least four years for the first of the new fighters to come in.
Speaking at a function after releasing the book "First to the Last: 50 years of MiG -215 with the IAF" by Air Marshal Philip Rajkumar (retd) and Pushpinder Singh, Air Chief Browne said the MiG 21 fleet still forms a major chunk of the IAF fighter strength. He pointed out that out of the 874 aircraft ordered by the IAF, 264 are still flying and has always had an 'aggressive edge'.
Several serving and retired IAF personnel who have flow the fighters over the last 50 years were present at the function that took place here. Also present were Russian Ambassador Alexander Kadakin and Sergey Korotkov, Director General RAC (MiG), who lead a team of officials from the aircraft manufacturer.
http://www.indianexpress.com/new ... carlo-clay/1105737/
又来了，我为什么说又呢
在替换鱼窝这个事情上，中国没什么资本嘲笑阿三吧……
没事，阿三早就习惯了，本来计划的退役时间就是2025年，2011-2012摔得太厉害了逼急了说2015退，现在既然舆论压力木有了，慢慢退也正常，毕竟一年替换100架飞机太惊悚了，放哪国都吃不消那个开销。 阿三还急着先替换Mig-27呢。
阵风项目可能会黄了，香水国很着急
在替换鱼窝这个事情上，中国没什么资本嘲笑阿三吧……
中国在出口鱼窝改型，实在不应该嘲笑，而是数着钞票大笑。
中国在出口鱼窝改型，实在不应该嘲笑，而是数着钞票大笑。
yzsz266 发表于 2013-4-23 11:01 
在替换鱼窝这个事情上，中国没什么资本嘲笑阿三吧……
我们的歼7很多都是崭新生产的，阿三最新的鱼窝也有超过25年的机龄了，阿三比我们急迫的多，但是换装速度却实在不算特别快
另，偶觉得老是有人嘲笑阿三的维护能力，却从来不考虑机队的机龄，就阿三那个机队超过25年，乃至可能30年的平均机龄，还是以短寿闻名的毛子机，还能继续这么用这么飞，其实挺牛比的了，摔得多很正常的，正好和F104难兄难弟一起做飞行棺材。 美国日本或者巴基斯坦的机队虽然机龄也不短，但是好歹本身寿命长。
在替换鱼窝这个事情上，中国没什么资本嘲笑阿三吧……
我们的歼7很多都是崭新生产的，阿三最新的鱼窝也有超过25年的机龄了，阿三比我们急迫的多，但是换装速度却实在不算特别快
另，偶觉得老是有人嘲笑阿三的维护能力，却从来不考虑机队的机龄，就阿三那个机队超过25年，乃至可能30年的平均机龄，还是以短寿闻名的毛子机，还能继续这么用这么飞，其实挺牛比的了，摔得多很正常的，正好和F104难兄难弟一起做飞行棺材。 美国日本或者巴基斯坦的机队虽然机龄也不短，但是好歹本身寿命长。
yzsz266 发表于 2013-4-23 11:01
在替换鱼窝这个事情上，中国没什么资本嘲笑阿三吧……
如果三哥有一架米格21是不依赖外力自己生产的，我们将永远笑话下去
因为我们知道，从我兔的米格21F-13/62式歼击机到歼七E/G/PG对比三哥的米格21FL到米格21MF/BIS/21-93，两家对米格21这一型号的技术摸透和挖潜增效，我们付出的汗水和努力足以笑傲阿三这个十亿牲畜和一亿懒人和弱智组成的智障国家！
在替换鱼窝这个事情上，中国没什么资本嘲笑阿三吧……
如果三哥有一架米格21是不依赖外力自己生产的，我们将永远笑话下去
因为我们知道，从我兔的米格21F-13/62式歼击机到歼七E/G/PG对比三哥的米格21FL到米格21MF/BIS/21-93，两家对米格21这一型号的技术摸透和挖潜增效，我们付出的汗水和努力足以笑傲阿三这个十亿牲畜和一亿懒人和弱智组成的智障国家！
印度本来只打算买126架幻影2000的，被法国人后来扔出来的“阵风”砸晕了
当初美洲虎停产，印度“搬产能”很愉快，达索给印度最后生产10架后幻影的生产线也撤了，20世纪初搬幻影2000产能对印度来说是个实在的选择，熟悉，门槛不是非常高，能啃下来也不错
现在又美国又大力推销F-35给印度，估计眼睛又花了
印度本来只打算买126架幻影2000的，被法国人后来扔出来的“阵风”砸晕了
当初美洲虎停产，印度“搬产能”很愉快，达索给印度最后生产10架后幻影的生产线也撤了，20世纪初搬幻影2000产能对印度来说是个实在的选择，熟悉，门槛不是非常高，能啃下来也不错
现在又美国又大力推销F-35给印度，估计眼睛又花了
yzsz266 发表于 2013-4-23 11:01
在替换鱼窝这个事情上，中国没什么资本嘲笑阿三吧……
按你的逻辑：美国还没有资本嘲笑阿三吧，美国B52现在都没有替换掉
在替换鱼窝这个事情上，中国没什么资本嘲笑阿三吧……
按你的逻辑：美国还没有资本嘲笑阿三吧，美国B52现在都没有替换掉
到时候三锅的21应该也掉地差不多了~
隐隐约约有种预感，三哥最后还会找毛子，继续被坑。
TG的J-7还有多少啊
无心骑士的坐骑 发表于 2013-4-23 12:02
隐隐约约有种预感，三哥最后还会找毛子，继续被坑。
印度买幻影2000-9和阵风都是为的战斗机对地精确打击能力，战斗机多用途能力俄罗斯至今仍不完善，俄罗斯自用的多用途苏-30SM去年才首飞，各种精确攻击弹药相比欧美也不齐全
俄格战争中战斗机多用途能力都没有多少体现
印度买阵风是没错的，奈何最近经济成长看上去不那么好了
隐隐约约有种预感，三哥最后还会找毛子，继续被坑。
印度买幻影2000-9和阵风都是为的战斗机对地精确打击能力，战斗机多用途能力俄罗斯至今仍不完善，俄罗斯自用的多用途苏-30SM去年才首飞，各种精确攻击弹药相比欧美也不齐全
俄格战争中战斗机多用途能力都没有多少体现
印度买阵风是没错的，奈何最近经济成长看上去不那么好了
yzsz266 发表于 2013-4-23 11:01
在替换鱼窝这个事情上，中国没什么资本嘲笑阿三吧……
怎么没有资本，我兔只不过是需求和资金的矛盾，不少老七寿命也没到，不存在没机可换。
在替换鱼窝这个事情上，中国没什么资本嘲笑阿三吧……
怎么没有资本，我兔只不过是需求和资金的矛盾，不少老七寿命也没到，不存在没机可换。
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baldo 发表于 2013-4-23 11:12
我们的歼7很多都是崭新生产的，阿三最新的鱼窝也有超过25年的机龄了，阿三比我们急迫的多，但是换装速度却 ...
而且我们的歼7已经不在生产装备部队了，要不是有穷兄弟有需求，生产线都可以拆了
我们的歼7很多都是崭新生产的，阿三最新的鱼窝也有超过25年的机龄了，阿三比我们急迫的多，但是换装速度却 ...
而且我们的歼7已经不在生产装备部队了，要不是有穷兄弟有需求，生产线都可以拆了
这个消息不稀奇，是“将”字法则的体现
TG的J-7还有多少啊
500+
而且也会服役到2020以后......
500+
而且也会服役到2020以后......
21还没掉光？以为早掉光了呢
直到摔完为止？
要不，我们也出口三哥点歼七，让他能换上新飞机
MAZ543M 发表于 2013-4-23 11:16
如果三哥有一架米格21是不依赖外力自己生产的，我们将永远笑话下去
因为我们知道，从我兔的米格21F-13/6 ...
西克与军用航空业结缘是在1964年，当时苏联极力拉拢在1962年中印边界冲突中惨败的印度。向其转让米格-21FL战斗机和K-13(AA-2)空空导弹组装流水线。在苏联专家的建议下，印度政府决定把组装线安排在纳西克。目前，纳西克工厂的主要任务是“时刻确保米格-21、米格-27以及苏-30MKI战斗机处于最佳战斗状态”。
如果三哥有一架米格21是不依赖外力自己生产的，我们将永远笑话下去
因为我们知道，从我兔的米格21F-13/6 ...
西克与军用航空业结缘是在1964年，当时苏联极力拉拢在1962年中印边界冲突中惨败的印度。向其转让米格-21FL战斗机和K-13(AA-2)空空导弹组装流水线。在苏联专家的建议下，印度政府决定把组装线安排在纳西克。目前，纳西克工厂的主要任务是“时刻确保米格-21、米格-27以及苏-30MKI战斗机处于最佳战斗状态”。
印度组装过mig21的。。。
去年印度CPI超过10%，GDP为5%，钱贬值严重啊
gnome2130 发表于 2013-4-23 17:02
印度组装过mig21的。。。
仅仅是组装而已嘛!这个组装技术比巴基斯坦利用中国组件组装FC一1强到哪去?
印度组装过mig21的。。。
仅仅是组装而已嘛!这个组装技术比巴基斯坦利用中国组件组装FC一1强到哪去?
阿三也是无奈之举。
gnome2130 发表于 2013-4-23 17:02
印度组装过mig21的。。。
但始终没有达到百分之百国产化……
印度组装过mig21的。。。
但始终没有达到百分之百国产化……
三锅是只有计划木有变化 我鳖是计划赶不上变化
印度有如此得天独厚的优势，竟然还一直被傻大黑粗的毛子坑
要是TG有这个优势，早就把MD全买一遍了
要是TG有这个优势，早就把MD全买一遍了
千千度 发表于 2013-4-23 20:46
印度有如此得天独厚的优势，竟然还一直被傻大黑粗的毛子坑
要是TG有这个优势，早就把MD全买一遍了
冷战时印度的空军苏制装备都是苏联“赠送”的，卢布贬值到一钱不值，互相坑，现在是尾大不掉，体系已经有了，换西方的成本很高
现在不是冷战了，找西方要“赠品”不容易，哪怕是没事和中国闹闹
千千度 发表于 2013-4-23 20:46
印度有如此得天独厚的优势，竟然还一直被傻大黑粗的毛子坑
要是TG有这个优势，早就把MD全买一遍了
冷战时印度的空军苏制装备都是苏联“赠送”的，卢布贬值到一钱不值，互相坑，现在是尾大不掉，体系已经有了，换西方的成本很高
现在不是冷战了，找西方要“赠品”不容易，哪怕是没事和中国闹闹
中国空军的米格21用什么替换，也是个让人头疼不已的问题。。。
thomas1987 发表于 2013-4-26 15:50
中国空军的米格21用什么替换，也是个让人头疼不已的问题。。。
J-10替换J-7已经好多年了，不存在用什么替换的问题，而是空军战斗机部队需要保持多大的规模
中国空军的米格21用什么替换，也是个让人头疼不已的问题。。。
J-10替换J-7已经好多年了，不存在用什么替换的问题，而是空军战斗机部队需要保持多大的规模
四两清风 发表于 2013-4-23 17:42
去年印度CPI超过10%，GDP为5%，钱贬值严重啊
好嘛，增长率跟通胀率倒挂了，一年白干了。
去年印度CPI超过10%，GDP为5%，钱贬值严重啊
好嘛，增长率跟通胀率倒挂了，一年白干了。
逆天笑 发表于 2013-4-26 15:52
J-10替换J-7已经好多年了，不存在用什么替换的问题，而是空军战斗机部队需要保持多大的规模
产能不足啊。。。你歼10量产快10年，一共多少架？空军战斗机三分之一多是歼7，你打算怎么换代？全裁掉？
J-10替换J-7已经好多年了，不存在用什么替换的问题，而是空军战斗机部队需要保持多大的规模
产能不足啊。。。你歼10量产快10年，一共多少架？空军战斗机三分之一多是歼7，你打算怎么换代？全裁掉？
thomas1987 发表于 2013-4-26 15:50
中国空军的米格21用什么替换，也是个让人头疼不已的问题。。。
中国还有真正的米格21吗？
中国空军的米格21用什么替换，也是个让人头疼不已的问题。。。
中国还有真正的米格21吗？
要爪子 发表于 2013-4-26 15:57
中国还有真正的米格21吗？
你觉得中国那么多歼7要打起来，跟米格21能有多大分别？
中国还有真正的米格21吗？
你觉得中国那么多歼7要打起来，跟米格21能有多大分别？
thomas1987 发表于 2013-4-26 15:56
产能不足啊。。。你歼10量产快10年，一共多少架？空军战斗机三分之一多是歼7，你打算怎么换代？全裁掉？
跨代战斗机本来就不会一比一换的，保留飞行员数量多造点教练机和高级模拟器实在，大量2代机的飞飞意义其实不是那么大
产能不足啊。。。你歼10量产快10年，一共多少架？空军战斗机三分之一多是歼7，你打算怎么换代？全裁掉？
跨代战斗机本来就不会一比一换的，保留飞行员数量多造点教练机和高级模拟器实在，大量2代机的飞飞意义其实不是那么大
逆天笑 发表于 2013-4-26 15:59
跨代战斗机本来就不会一比一换的，保留飞行员数量多造点教练机和高级模拟器实在，大量2代机的飞飞意义其实 ...
你用教练机和模拟器“保留飞行员”，一大创造啊。。。
二代机现在不是按多少比例替换的问题，而是占你空军总规模三分之一多的歼7你打算怎么办，要换代？新飞机从哪来？歼7大部分都是90年代生产的，都快到寿了；全裁掉？一下去掉三分之一多的编制，谁敢这么干？
所以我说，中国现在拿歼7也是没办法，干不了活又不能扔了，新飞机产量又跟不上，还不够头疼？
跨代战斗机本来就不会一比一换的，保留飞行员数量多造点教练机和高级模拟器实在，大量2代机的飞飞意义其实 ...
你用教练机和模拟器“保留飞行员”
，一大创造啊。。。二代机现在不是按多少比例替换的问题，而是占你空军总规模三分之一多的歼7你打算怎么办，要换代？新飞机从哪来？歼7大部分都是90年代生产的，都快到寿了；全裁掉？一下去掉三分之一多的编制，谁敢这么干？
所以我说，中国现在拿歼7也是没办法，干不了活又不能扔了，新飞机产量又跟不上，还不够头疼？
CDhui 发表于 2013-4-23 11:57
到时候三锅的21应该也掉地差不多了~
我也正想说 到2019基本上也不用退役了 摔倒什么时候为0架 就宣布退役 把备件全部用光光
到时候三锅的21应该也掉地差不多了~
我也正想说 到2019基本上也不用退役了 摔倒什么时候为0架 就宣布退役 把备件全部用光光