超级军网翻译：韩国：亚洲的意大利？（转）
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Some Koreans have attributed the recentsuccessful conquest of Korean pop culture (T.V., movies, online games, music,etc.) in East Asia (China, Japan, Southeast Asia, and even Uzbekistan!!!) to the Korean "nationalculture" which is similar to that of Italy:
"Koreans have long describedthemselves as the "Italians of Asia" - both groups, they say, arepeninsula dwellers who thrive on food, family, song and romance. Koreans nowfeel they are finally getting their due and they are glorying in the chance toedge out their neighbors on the global stage."
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This so-called "Korean wave" isindeed quite unprecedented both in nature and in scope, unrivalled even by theprevious "Japanese wave" (70's and 80's) or "Hongkong wave"(80's and 90's). It is particularly remarkable in that Korea, sandwiched between two Asian giants China and Japan, had long been regarded as acountry of minor importance in the international arena. But things started tochange when South Koreastarted to successfully transform itself from a backward Third-World economy toa country with a near First-World standard of living. The hosting of theOlympics and co-hosting of the World Cup with Japan have further boosted thecountry's national pride, confidence, and international prestige.
While some critics (Chinese and Japanese)predict that this "Korean wave" won't last, it is still nothing shortof remarkable that this former colonial outpost of Japan can make a dent on thecultural landscape of two culturally chauvinistic countries.
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许多韩国人把风靡东亚（中国、日本、东南亚，甚至还有乌兹别克斯坦！）韩国的流行文化（电视、电影、网友、音乐等），并认为他们的‘国家文化’足以与意大利相媲美。
“长久以来，韩国人自比‘亚洲的意大利人’——他们说两个半岛的居民都以饮食、家庭、歌曲和浪漫见长。现在韩国人都认为他们最终会得到应得的一切，他们为韩国处于在全球舞台上挤压邻国的契机而感到光荣。”
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‘韩流’在本质和范围上来说的确是空前的，更甚于之前的‘日流’ （7、80年代）和‘港流’（8、90年代）。特别值得注意的是，韩国夹在亚洲两巨头中国和日本之间，长久以来被认为是一个在国际舞台影响力较为次要的国家。不过当韩国开始从发展迟缓的第三世界经济向第一世界生活水准转变的时候，情况发生了转变。举办奥运会和联合承办世界杯极大提高了国民的自信心和荣誉感以及国际影响力。
当一些评论家（中国和日本）预言‘韩流’不会发生的时候，这一日本的前殖民地在人文方面的建树足以让两个文化大国感到吃惊，太不可思议了。
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1、Maju
I don't know much about Korea but demographically it is alarge country of 71 million people (both halves). It may be not much comparedwith the billion+ people of China but it's more than half the population ofJapan, and comparable to other large-but-not-huge countries such as:Philippines, Vietnam, Germany, Egypt, Ethiopia, Turkey, Iran, Thailand, France,UK, RD Congo or Italy (ranked 12th to 23rd in population). So I wouldn't lookat Korea as any dwarf inWorld politics, specially considering that South Korea alone ranks 12th in GDP (PPP) (comparable to Mexico or Spain)and 11th in GDP (nominal) (comparable to India,Mexico, Australia or Brazil).
我对韩国知之甚少，只知道它是一个有着7100万人口的大国（朝鲜半岛总和）。可能无法与十亿级的中国相提并论，但是比日本人口的一半还多，与一些地广人稀的国家诸如菲律宾、越南、德国、埃及、埃塞俄比亚、土耳其、伊朗、太过、法国、乌克兰、民主刚果或意大利（人口排名12到23位的国家）相当。所以我不认为韩国是世界政局中的侏儒，尤其是韩国的（购买力平价）GDP高居第12位（与墨西哥和西班牙相当），（名义）GDP位居第11位（与印度、墨西哥、澳大利亚和巴西相当）。
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2、Gubook Janggoon
Koreans the Italians of Asia?How about: The Italians are the Koreans of Europe? Those kinds of comparisionsare sick stereotypes and generalizations that hold little ground. I've evenheard the Koreans called "The Irish of the East". Utter Bullcock. BTW,Hallyu doesn't mean cold snap, it means Korean Wind. I don't really know why itshould be so surprising that its Korea'sturn to be media superstar in Asia. Hong Konghad its run, Japanhad its and ect. It was only a matter of time before SK stepped up to theplate.
韩国是亚洲的意大利？改成意大利是欧洲的韩国如何？这些比喻太老套了，来点新鲜的成不。我还听说过韩国是‘东方的爱尔兰’。什么乱七八糟的！顺便说一下，韩流不是寒流，而是‘韩国之风’。我想不明白为什么要对韩国成为亚洲媒体的执牛耳者而感到吃惊。香港以前也风光过，日本也是。韩国步他们的后尘，这只是时间问题而已。
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3、flyingzone
Good point, Gubook Janggoon. Eurocentrismis so ingrained in our understanding and interpretation of history and currentaffairs that it does take some effort to overcome it. Yes, Maju, Korea isdefinitely not a small country either in terms of population and the size ofits economy. But the "Korean Miracle" only took place relativelyrecently. The South Korea offour decades ago had a GDP per capita even lower than that of the Philippines.It's indeed remarkable how just a few decades of wise economic policies couldchange a nation completely. Just for curiosity's sake, why are the Koreanscalled "Irish of the East"?
Gubook Janggoon，你说得对。从我们对历史和现实的解读来看，根深蒂固的欧洲中心主义难以逾越。Maju，从人口和经济规模来说，韩国确乎不是效果，但‘韩国奇迹’也只是近些年来的事儿。40年前，韩国的人均GPD比菲律宾还要低。明智的经济政策在这么短的时间内让整个国家改头换面的确很了不起。只是有点好奇，韩国为什么被称作‘东方的爱尔’？
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4、Gubook Janggoon
Koreans: The Irish of the East. Somethingalong the lines of.
1. Both are a divided people2. Both can be violent3. Both are very spiritual4. Both are warm and hospitable5. Unrestrained in their passions: Quick to cry and quick to laugh
Something like that. Whether derogatory orfavorable these kinds of comparisons do great injustices to both parties beingcompared. Whether Irish and Korean orwhatever.
韩国：东方的爱尔兰。基于以下几点：
1、两者都是同胞分离。
2、两者都很极端。
3、两者的心灵都很强大。
4、两者都很热情友好。
5、激情无限：忽而大悲，忽而大喜。
差不多就是这样。这些相似之处不管是贬损还是赞扬对于双方当事人来说都是不公平的。不管是对于爱尔兰还是韩国人。
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5、Ikki （西班牙）
I think Korea-Poland is more accurate.
我觉得韩国和波兰更准确一些。
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6、Maju
Because the both build ships and arestretched between two more powerful neighbors?
（回复5号评论）是因为两者都能造船并且被两个更强大的邻居夹在中间吗？
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7、Tobodai
That and they both tend to get raped bytheir neighbors and divided between conquering powers. I think the rise of Koreanculture can only be a good thing. Not those sappy overlong romance movies thatare terrible (my grandmother wants to be buried with a picture of that oneactor guy) but overall Korean film is exquisite and fun. Recently I saw Oldboy,which must be one of the most twisted yet greatest films of all time.
因为它们都容易被各自的邻居蹂躏并肢解。我觉得韩国文化的崛起是一件好事。那些无聊透顶婆婆妈妈的爱情电影的确很糟（我的祖母想用一张男演员的照片来陪葬），不过大体上韩国电影很细腻，笑料很足。前阵子我看了《老男孩》（韩国电影，不是中国的那部），这是一部很拧巴但又伟大的电影。
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8、stupidumboy（韩国）
I do not think each Asian nation can becompared to European nation. Asia and Europe'shistorical story too much diffrent from each other. But If I have to pick onecountry in Europe that can be compared to Korea -I consider Koreans as the'Irish of Asia.
我认为不是每个亚洲国家都能与欧洲国家相比较。亚洲和欧洲的历史风马牛不相及。但如果必须拿一个欧洲国家来和韩国比较的话，我认为韩国是‘亚洲的爱尔兰’。
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9、sedamoun
But things started to change when South Koreastarted to successfully transform itself from a backward Third-World economy toa country with a near First-World standard of living. The hosting of theOlympics and co-hosting of the World Cup with Japan have further boosted thecountry's national pride, confidence, and international prestige.
不过当韩国开始从发展迟缓的第三世界经济向第一世界生活水准转变的时候，情况发生了转变。举办奥运会和联合承办世界杯极大提高了国民的自信心和荣誉感以及国际影响力。（引用）
Thanx to the USA - the "cold war bloc"South-Korea chose to side with. This is not a critic, just a fact. Once again,the USallied with a country that is becoming an economical threat: same thing as theJapanese (but on a lesser scale). Korean cars (Hyundai, Kia...) and electronics(Samsung amongst others) are taking more and more market shares, not only inthe Us but also in Europe. These asians have agreat work ethic. Watch out for Chinain the 10-15 years to come... Cheers.
感谢美国吧，韩国在‘冷战集团’中站对了队。这不是吹毛求疵，而是事实。再说一遍，与美国结盟的国家都会变成经济上的敌手：就像日本那样（只不过小了一号）。韩国的汽车业（现代，起亚）和电子业（三星等）占据了越来越多的市场份额，不仅在美国，欧洲也是如此。这些亚洲人有着极高的职业道德。接下来的10到15年要小心中国…等着瞧吧。
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10、cattus
I have personally always made Italy's connection with Asia to be China.
我个人总是把意大利和中国联系在一起。
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11、Ellatur
Just for curiosity's sake, why are theKoreans called "Irish of the East"?
只是有点好奇，韩国为什么被称作‘东方的爱尔’？（引用）
I think its also due to S Korea's fast growth from a sickly poor country to a well to docountry in a short period of time. Ireland suffered from very pooreconomy and emigration problems until recently. But since its admission to theEU and use of Euro as the currency, the economy grew in an astronomical rate.
But IMO, Irelandespecially should be called Koreaof the West, since Korea wasalready a pretty good country when Irelandwas starting to be considered as a country with a decent economy, and Korea outdoes Ireland in many economical factors
我认为这也与韩国在很短的时间内从一个穷国快速增长到富国有关。爱尔兰从前也遭遇了经济窘境和移民问题，直到现在才有所改观。自从（爱尔兰）加入欧盟并使用欧元之后，经济增长便是芝麻开花节节高。
不过在我看来，爱尔兰应该被称为‘西方的韩国’，因为当爱尔兰开始被认为是一个中等富裕国家的时候，韩国已经发展的很好了，同时韩国在很多经济方面都远胜爱尔兰。
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12、BigL
Korea Was probably one of the most hardestcountries ever to take over in the history it definitely was no push over, Suifailed ,Tang struggled very hard even Mongols had to win diplomatically, itslike the vietname of nothern asia
韩国或许是历史上最难征服的国家之一，隋失败了，唐费了九牛二虎之力，即使是蒙古也不得不从外交上来屈服韩国，跟东南亚的越南有一拼。
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13、interap008 （韩国）
That and they both tend to get raped bytheir neighbors and divided between conquering powers. I think the rise ofKorean culture can only be a good thing. Not those sappy overlong romancemovies that are terrible (my grandmother wants to be buried with a picture ofthat one actor guy) but overall Korean film is exquisite and fun. Recently Isaw Oldboy, which must be one of the most twisted yet greatest films of alltime.
因为它们都容易被各自的邻居蹂躏并肢解。我觉得韩国文化的崛起是一件好事。那些无聊透顶婆婆妈妈的爱情电影的确很糟（我的祖母想用一张男演员的照片来陪葬），不过大体上韩国电影很细腻，笑料很足。前阵子我看了《老男孩》，这是一部非常滑稽的好电影。（引用）
i really appreciate(?) your choice of thisword 'rape'. i could guess you are from Japan due to your ID name. so letme ask you something!
Are you very happy or proud of being son ofa rapist? So, Is that why you are still commemorating the spirit of the rape byvisiting the Yaskuni temple, in which there are the greatest rapists' grave?
Sorry i didn't know that your people admirea rapist, which i guess could be cultural defference(?). Indeed, you don't mindf**king with your siblings and the funniest thing is that you can sellofficially those kinds of porno, which contents sex withmother,father,son,doughter.
i don't know exactly but if i were son ofthe rapist, i'd be very ashamed of the fact unlike you.
我真的很感谢你选择了‘强暴’这个字眼，从你的ID我猜你可能是日本人。所以请让我问你一些问题！
你是否为自己是一个强奸犯的儿子而感到骄傲？那么为什么你们还要通过参拜靖国神社来纪念强奸犯的灵魂？
对不起我不知道你们崇拜的是强奸犯，这或许是文化上的差异吧？估计你并不介意与你的兄弟姐妹圈圈叉叉吧，你们公开贩卖那些与你们的爸爸妈妈儿子女儿圈圈叉叉的色情产品。
我不知道是否果真如此，但如果我的儿子是强奸犯，我会以之为耻，不像你们…
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14、Gubook Janggoon
Warning: You can contest someone's wordingwithout being offensive yourself.
（回复13号评论）警告：你可以和别人辩论，但火药味不要太浓。
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15、stupidumboy
I do not think there're any Japaneseforumers here , And I do not think Korean history needs to be described as theregional weaker and sandbag of bigger neighbors. In fact, after reading severalsof history records, I found out that Korea never was easy target toinvade and make battle against before Imjin war happend.
我觉得这个论坛没有日本人。我也不觉得韩国在历史上是一个弱者——强邻们的出气筒。事实上，在读了很多历史资料之后，我发现韩国从来都不是容易染指目标，在壬辰朝鲜战争之前曾多次抵抗过外敌。
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16、Dream208 （中国）
Historically, Korean dynasties were overallstronger than Japantill 15th though. Stronger here means the comparison of Military, Economy, andpolitical stability
历史上，朝鲜在15世纪之前都比日本要强大得多，包括军事、经济和政治稳定等方面。
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17、Jay （加拿大）
Why not, Italians - Koreans of Europe?
为什么不说意大利是欧洲的韩国呢？
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18、pebbles
1. Both are a divided people2. Bothcan be violent3. Both are very spiritual4. Both are warm and hospitable5. Unrestrained in their passions: Quick to cry and quick to laugh
Something like that. Whether derogatory orfavorable these kinds of comparisons do great injustices to both parties beingcompared. Whether Irish and Korean orwhatever.
韩国：东方的爱尔兰。基于以下几点：
1、两者都是同胞分离。
2、两者都很极端。
3、两者的心灵都很强大。
4、两者都很热情友好。
5、激情无限：忽而大悲，忽而大喜。（引用）
6. Unrestrained emotions: outwardlyblatantly rude & explosive quick temper 7. hard drinkers
6、生猛奔放：大大咧咧、急性子
7、海量
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19、Tim
you know, actually, South Korea is excluded in Asia.Because they like to steal the culture of other countries, especially Chineseculture. They said Si Maqian is Korean, Chinese Four Great Inventions areKorean's, and Chinese ancestors are Korean。They helped the Nazi-Japanese killed Chinese people during the WorldWar 2.Even crueler than Japanese, but after the War, they always dressthemselves as victims. Chinese and Japanese do not like South Korean.
你懂的，事实上韩国在亚洲不受待见。因为他们喜欢剽窃其他国家的文化，特别是中国文化。他们说司马迁是他们的，中国的四大发明是他们的，中国的祖先也是他们的。二战期间，他们充当纳粹日本的爪牙残杀中国人。甚至比日本人还要残忍，但在战后，他们就装出一副受害者的姿态。中国人和日本人都不喜欢韩国人。
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20、Reginmund
What's the point? Our generation had nopart in WW2 and modern day Chinese, Japanese and Koreans bear noresponsibility. To keep these grudges alive will not help anyone move forward andneither does it make sense. Of course Koreans "steal" culture,everyone steals culture, that's how human civilization advances. You could justas well say the Chinese "steal" Western culture; cars, TVs,computers, railroads, airplanes, the list goes on forever. And I don't find theparallel Italy-Korea very applicable. There are more differences thansimilarities.
这都是哪跟哪啊。我们这一代没有经历过二战，现在的中国人、日本人和韩国人不应为此负罪。仇恨不能使人向前，也毫无意义。当然韩国‘剽窃’文化，所有人都在剽窃，人类文明就是这样前进的。你也可以说中国人‘剽窃’西方的文化、汽车、电视、电脑、铁路、飞机，名单无休无止。我也没有发现意大利和韩国有什么交集。差异大于共性。
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21、Tim
Yes, just like what you said, Chinese"steal" Western culture, but it was studying, to learn Western advanced technology and knowledge. Chinesewon't say that Sir Isaac Newton is Chinese, but Koreans will. they said thatQin Shi Huang is Korean. Just like they "steal" Chinese culture andsaid this culture was created by Koreans.
（回复20号评论）没错，正如你所说，中国‘剽窃’西方文化，但这是学习，学习西方先进的科技与知识。中国人不会说牛顿是中国人，而韩国人会这么说。他们说秦始皇是他们的。这就好比他们‘剽窃’了中国的文化，然后反过来这是韩国人自己创造的。
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22、Reginmund
Oh, right. Historical revisionism. This issimilar to how history has been written by nationalists and racial supremacistsall over the world, who for some reason feel their own achievements are soinadequate they have to steal others'. These people shouldn't be takenseriously, they're more like circus clowns with an inferiority complex. I'msure there are serious South Korean historians one can read instead.
（回复22号评论）没错，历史修正主义。全世界的历史都是出自民族主义者和种族之上主义者之手，他们认为自己所取得的成就不可能是剽窃他人所致。不能把这些人当回事，他们更像是自卑的马戏团小丑。我们应该读那些韩国严肃的历史学家的东西。
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23、SNK_1408
According to whom? Koreans have never madeclaimed on Si Maqian and Qin Shi Huang. Please cite your claim, because that'swhat I mostly heard from Chinese & Japanese trolls. Once again, Koreansdidn't dressed themselves as victims during the war.
Mind you China also steals others, startingfrom design to technology. Reverse engineering is also form of stealing. It's funnyhow you made claims on Koreans steal it from Chinaand Japan.Well, complain to French, Japanese & Taiwanese to stole over 600,000 piecesof Chinese relics & artifacts. Mind you Japan also stole 200,000 pieces ofKorean relics & artifacts and tried claiming as theirs. Korean culture isvery old culture it wasn't made overnight by copying it.
（回复19和21号评论）根据什么？韩国人从来没有说司马迁和秦始皇是韩国人。拿出证据来，因为我经常从中国人或日本人那里听到这些。再说一遍，战争期间，韩国人没有把自己伪装成受害者。
提醒你，中国也在剽窃别人，从设计到技术。逆向工程也来源于剽窃。搞笑的是你竟然声称韩国人剽窃中国和日本。去向法国人、日本人或台湾人抱怨被偷取的60多万件中国文物和艺术品去吧。还有就是日本也从韩国偷走了20万件文物和艺术品，然后声称那些东西是他们的。韩国文化历史悠久，这可不是一朝一夕就能山寨出来的。
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/4072.html正文：
Some Koreans have attributed the recentsuccessful conquest of Korean pop culture (T.V., movies, online games, music,etc.) in East Asia (China, Japan, Southeast Asia, and even Uzbekistan!!!) to the Korean "nationalculture" which is similar to that of Italy:
"Koreans have long describedthemselves as the "Italians of Asia" - both groups, they say, arepeninsula dwellers who thrive on food, family, song and romance. Koreans nowfeel they are finally getting their due and they are glorying in the chance toedge out their neighbors on the global stage."
For the whole article, go to:http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/world/13493220.h tm
This so-called "Korean wave" isindeed quite unprecedented both in nature and in scope, unrivalled even by theprevious "Japanese wave" (70's and 80's) or "Hongkong wave"(80's and 90's). It is particularly remarkable in that Korea, sandwiched between two Asian giants China and Japan, had long been regarded as acountry of minor importance in the international arena. But things started tochange when South Koreastarted to successfully transform itself from a backward Third-World economy toa country with a near First-World standard of living. The hosting of theOlympics and co-hosting of the World Cup with Japan have further boosted thecountry's national pride, confidence, and international prestige.
While some critics (Chinese and Japanese)predict that this "Korean wave" won't last, it is still nothing shortof remarkable that this former colonial outpost of Japan can make a dent on thecultural landscape of two culturally chauvinistic countries.
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许多韩国人把风靡东亚（中国、日本、东南亚，甚至还有乌兹别克斯坦！）韩国的流行文化（电视、电影、网友、音乐等），并认为他们的‘国家文化’足以与意大利相媲美。
“长久以来，韩国人自比‘亚洲的意大利人’——他们说两个半岛的居民都以饮食、家庭、歌曲和浪漫见长。现在韩国人都认为他们最终会得到应得的一切，他们为韩国处于在全球舞台上挤压邻国的契机而感到光荣。”
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‘韩流’在本质和范围上来说的确是空前的，更甚于之前的‘日流’ （7、80年代）和‘港流’（8、90年代）。特别值得注意的是，韩国夹在亚洲两巨头中国和日本之间，长久以来被认为是一个在国际舞台影响力较为次要的国家。不过当韩国开始从发展迟缓的第三世界经济向第一世界生活水准转变的时候，情况发生了转变。举办奥运会和联合承办世界杯极大提高了国民的自信心和荣誉感以及国际影响力。
当一些评论家（中国和日本）预言‘韩流’不会发生的时候，这一日本的前殖民地在人文方面的建树足以让两个文化大国感到吃惊，太不可思议了。
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1、Maju
I don't know much about Korea but demographically it is alarge country of 71 million people (both halves). It may be not much comparedwith the billion+ people of China but it's more than half the population ofJapan, and comparable to other large-but-not-huge countries such as:Philippines, Vietnam, Germany, Egypt, Ethiopia, Turkey, Iran, Thailand, France,UK, RD Congo or Italy (ranked 12th to 23rd in population). So I wouldn't lookat Korea as any dwarf inWorld politics, specially considering that South Korea alone ranks 12th in GDP (PPP) (comparable to Mexico or Spain)and 11th in GDP (nominal) (comparable to India,Mexico, Australia or Brazil).
我对韩国知之甚少，只知道它是一个有着7100万人口的大国（朝鲜半岛总和）。可能无法与十亿级的中国相提并论，但是比日本人口的一半还多，与一些地广人稀的国家诸如菲律宾、越南、德国、埃及、埃塞俄比亚、土耳其、伊朗、太过、法国、乌克兰、民主刚果或意大利（人口排名12到23位的国家）相当。所以我不认为韩国是世界政局中的侏儒，尤其是韩国的（购买力平价）GDP高居第12位（与墨西哥和西班牙相当），（名义）GDP位居第11位（与印度、墨西哥、澳大利亚和巴西相当）。
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2、Gubook Janggoon
Koreans the Italians of Asia?How about: The Italians are the Koreans of Europe? Those kinds of comparisionsare sick stereotypes and generalizations that hold little ground. I've evenheard the Koreans called "The Irish of the East". Utter Bullcock. BTW,Hallyu doesn't mean cold snap, it means Korean Wind. I don't really know why itshould be so surprising that its Korea'sturn to be media superstar in Asia. Hong Konghad its run, Japanhad its and ect. It was only a matter of time before SK stepped up to theplate.
韩国是亚洲的意大利？改成意大利是欧洲的韩国如何？这些比喻太老套了，来点新鲜的成不。我还听说过韩国是‘东方的爱尔兰’。什么乱七八糟的！顺便说一下，韩流不是寒流，而是‘韩国之风’。我想不明白为什么要对韩国成为亚洲媒体的执牛耳者而感到吃惊。香港以前也风光过，日本也是。韩国步他们的后尘，这只是时间问题而已。
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3、flyingzone
Good point, Gubook Janggoon. Eurocentrismis so ingrained in our understanding and interpretation of history and currentaffairs that it does take some effort to overcome it. Yes, Maju, Korea isdefinitely not a small country either in terms of population and the size ofits economy. But the "Korean Miracle" only took place relativelyrecently. The South Korea offour decades ago had a GDP per capita even lower than that of the Philippines.It's indeed remarkable how just a few decades of wise economic policies couldchange a nation completely. Just for curiosity's sake, why are the Koreanscalled "Irish of the East"?
Gubook Janggoon，你说得对。从我们对历史和现实的解读来看，根深蒂固的欧洲中心主义难以逾越。Maju，从人口和经济规模来说，韩国确乎不是效果，但‘韩国奇迹’也只是近些年来的事儿。40年前，韩国的人均GPD比菲律宾还要低。明智的经济政策在这么短的时间内让整个国家改头换面的确很了不起。只是有点好奇，韩国为什么被称作‘东方的爱尔’？
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4、Gubook Janggoon
Koreans: The Irish of the East. Somethingalong the lines of.
1. Both are a divided people2. Both can be violent3. Both are very spiritual4. Both are warm and hospitable5. Unrestrained in their passions: Quick to cry and quick to laugh
Something like that. Whether derogatory orfavorable these kinds of comparisons do great injustices to both parties beingcompared. Whether Irish and Korean orwhatever.
韩国：东方的爱尔兰。基于以下几点：
1、两者都是同胞分离。
2、两者都很极端。
3、两者的心灵都很强大。
4、两者都很热情友好。
5、激情无限：忽而大悲，忽而大喜。
差不多就是这样。这些相似之处不管是贬损还是赞扬对于双方当事人来说都是不公平的。不管是对于爱尔兰还是韩国人。
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5、Ikki （西班牙）
I think Korea-Poland is more accurate.
我觉得韩国和波兰更准确一些。
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6、Maju
Because the both build ships and arestretched between two more powerful neighbors?
（回复5号评论）是因为两者都能造船并且被两个更强大的邻居夹在中间吗？
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7、Tobodai
That and they both tend to get raped bytheir neighbors and divided between conquering powers. I think the rise of Koreanculture can only be a good thing. Not those sappy overlong romance movies thatare terrible (my grandmother wants to be buried with a picture of that oneactor guy) but overall Korean film is exquisite and fun. Recently I saw Oldboy,which must be one of the most twisted yet greatest films of all time.
因为它们都容易被各自的邻居蹂躏并肢解。我觉得韩国文化的崛起是一件好事。那些无聊透顶婆婆妈妈的爱情电影的确很糟（我的祖母想用一张男演员的照片来陪葬），不过大体上韩国电影很细腻，笑料很足。前阵子我看了《老男孩》（韩国电影，不是中国的那部），这是一部很拧巴但又伟大的电影。
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8、stupidumboy（韩国）
I do not think each Asian nation can becompared to European nation. Asia and Europe'shistorical story too much diffrent from each other. But If I have to pick onecountry in Europe that can be compared to Korea -I consider Koreans as the'Irish of Asia.
我认为不是每个亚洲国家都能与欧洲国家相比较。亚洲和欧洲的历史风马牛不相及。但如果必须拿一个欧洲国家来和韩国比较的话，我认为韩国是‘亚洲的爱尔兰’。
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9、sedamoun
But things started to change when South Koreastarted to successfully transform itself from a backward Third-World economy toa country with a near First-World standard of living. The hosting of theOlympics and co-hosting of the World Cup with Japan have further boosted thecountry's national pride, confidence, and international prestige.
不过当韩国开始从发展迟缓的第三世界经济向第一世界生活水准转变的时候，情况发生了转变。举办奥运会和联合承办世界杯极大提高了国民的自信心和荣誉感以及国际影响力。（引用）
Thanx to the USA - the "cold war bloc"South-Korea chose to side with. This is not a critic, just a fact. Once again,the USallied with a country that is becoming an economical threat: same thing as theJapanese (but on a lesser scale). Korean cars (Hyundai, Kia...) and electronics(Samsung amongst others) are taking more and more market shares, not only inthe Us but also in Europe. These asians have agreat work ethic. Watch out for Chinain the 10-15 years to come... Cheers.
感谢美国吧，韩国在‘冷战集团’中站对了队。这不是吹毛求疵，而是事实。再说一遍，与美国结盟的国家都会变成经济上的敌手：就像日本那样（只不过小了一号）。韩国的汽车业（现代，起亚）和电子业（三星等）占据了越来越多的市场份额，不仅在美国，欧洲也是如此。这些亚洲人有着极高的职业道德。接下来的10到15年要小心中国…等着瞧吧。
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10、cattus
I have personally always made Italy's connection with Asia to be China.
我个人总是把意大利和中国联系在一起。
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11、Ellatur
Just for curiosity's sake, why are theKoreans called "Irish of the East"?
只是有点好奇，韩国为什么被称作‘东方的爱尔’？（引用）
I think its also due to S Korea's fast growth from a sickly poor country to a well to docountry in a short period of time. Ireland suffered from very pooreconomy and emigration problems until recently. But since its admission to theEU and use of Euro as the currency, the economy grew in an astronomical rate.
But IMO, Irelandespecially should be called Koreaof the West, since Korea wasalready a pretty good country when Irelandwas starting to be considered as a country with a decent economy, and Korea outdoes Ireland in many economical factors
我认为这也与韩国在很短的时间内从一个穷国快速增长到富国有关。爱尔兰从前也遭遇了经济窘境和移民问题，直到现在才有所改观。自从（爱尔兰）加入欧盟并使用欧元之后，经济增长便是芝麻开花节节高。
不过在我看来，爱尔兰应该被称为‘西方的韩国’，因为当爱尔兰开始被认为是一个中等富裕国家的时候，韩国已经发展的很好了，同时韩国在很多经济方面都远胜爱尔兰。
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12、BigL
Korea Was probably one of the most hardestcountries ever to take over in the history it definitely was no push over, Suifailed ,Tang struggled very hard even Mongols had to win diplomatically, itslike the vietname of nothern asia
韩国或许是历史上最难征服的国家之一，隋失败了，唐费了九牛二虎之力，即使是蒙古也不得不从外交上来屈服韩国，跟东南亚的越南有一拼。
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13、interap008 （韩国）
That and they both tend to get raped bytheir neighbors and divided between conquering powers. I think the rise ofKorean culture can only be a good thing. Not those sappy overlong romancemovies that are terrible (my grandmother wants to be buried with a picture ofthat one actor guy) but overall Korean film is exquisite and fun. Recently Isaw Oldboy, which must be one of the most twisted yet greatest films of alltime.
因为它们都容易被各自的邻居蹂躏并肢解。我觉得韩国文化的崛起是一件好事。那些无聊透顶婆婆妈妈的爱情电影的确很糟（我的祖母想用一张男演员的照片来陪葬），不过大体上韩国电影很细腻，笑料很足。前阵子我看了《老男孩》，这是一部非常滑稽的好电影。（引用）
i really appreciate(?) your choice of thisword 'rape'. i could guess you are from Japan due to your ID name. so letme ask you something!
Are you very happy or proud of being son ofa rapist? So, Is that why you are still commemorating the spirit of the rape byvisiting the Yaskuni temple, in which there are the greatest rapists' grave?
Sorry i didn't know that your people admirea rapist, which i guess could be cultural defference(?). Indeed, you don't mindf**king with your siblings and the funniest thing is that you can sellofficially those kinds of porno, which contents sex withmother,father,son,doughter.
i don't know exactly but if i were son ofthe rapist, i'd be very ashamed of the fact unlike you.
我真的很感谢你选择了‘强暴’这个字眼，从你的ID我猜你可能是日本人。所以请让我问你一些问题！
你是否为自己是一个强奸犯的儿子而感到骄傲？那么为什么你们还要通过参拜靖国神社来纪念强奸犯的灵魂？
对不起我不知道你们崇拜的是强奸犯，这或许是文化上的差异吧？估计你并不介意与你的兄弟姐妹圈圈叉叉吧，你们公开贩卖那些与你们的爸爸妈妈儿子女儿圈圈叉叉的色情产品。
我不知道是否果真如此，但如果我的儿子是强奸犯，我会以之为耻，不像你们…
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14、Gubook Janggoon
Warning: You can contest someone's wordingwithout being offensive yourself.
（回复13号评论）警告：你可以和别人辩论，但火药味不要太浓。
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15、stupidumboy
I do not think there're any Japaneseforumers here , And I do not think Korean history needs to be described as theregional weaker and sandbag of bigger neighbors. In fact, after reading severalsof history records, I found out that Korea never was easy target toinvade and make battle against before Imjin war happend.
我觉得这个论坛没有日本人。我也不觉得韩国在历史上是一个弱者——强邻们的出气筒。事实上，在读了很多历史资料之后，我发现韩国从来都不是容易染指目标，在壬辰朝鲜战争之前曾多次抵抗过外敌。
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16、Dream208 （中国）
Historically, Korean dynasties were overallstronger than Japantill 15th though. Stronger here means the comparison of Military, Economy, andpolitical stability
历史上，朝鲜在15世纪之前都比日本要强大得多，包括军事、经济和政治稳定等方面。
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17、Jay （加拿大）
Why not, Italians - Koreans of Europe?
为什么不说意大利是欧洲的韩国呢？
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18、pebbles
1. Both are a divided people2. Bothcan be violent3. Both are very spiritual4. Both are warm and hospitable5. Unrestrained in their passions: Quick to cry and quick to laugh
Something like that. Whether derogatory orfavorable these kinds of comparisons do great injustices to both parties beingcompared. Whether Irish and Korean orwhatever.
韩国：东方的爱尔兰。基于以下几点：
1、两者都是同胞分离。
2、两者都很极端。
3、两者的心灵都很强大。
4、两者都很热情友好。
5、激情无限：忽而大悲，忽而大喜。（引用）
6. Unrestrained emotions: outwardlyblatantly rude & explosive quick temper 7. hard drinkers
6、生猛奔放：大大咧咧、急性子
7、海量
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19、Tim
you know, actually, South Korea is excluded in Asia.Because they like to steal the culture of other countries, especially Chineseculture. They said Si Maqian is Korean, Chinese Four Great Inventions areKorean's, and Chinese ancestors are Korean。They helped the Nazi-Japanese killed Chinese people during the WorldWar 2.Even crueler than Japanese, but after the War, they always dressthemselves as victims. Chinese and Japanese do not like South Korean.
你懂的，事实上韩国在亚洲不受待见。因为他们喜欢剽窃其他国家的文化，特别是中国文化。他们说司马迁是他们的，中国的四大发明是他们的，中国的祖先也是他们的。二战期间，他们充当纳粹日本的爪牙残杀中国人。甚至比日本人还要残忍，但在战后，他们就装出一副受害者的姿态。中国人和日本人都不喜欢韩国人。
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20、Reginmund
What's the point? Our generation had nopart in WW2 and modern day Chinese, Japanese and Koreans bear noresponsibility. To keep these grudges alive will not help anyone move forward andneither does it make sense. Of course Koreans "steal" culture,everyone steals culture, that's how human civilization advances. You could justas well say the Chinese "steal" Western culture; cars, TVs,computers, railroads, airplanes, the list goes on forever. And I don't find theparallel Italy-Korea very applicable. There are more differences thansimilarities.
这都是哪跟哪啊。我们这一代没有经历过二战，现在的中国人、日本人和韩国人不应为此负罪。仇恨不能使人向前，也毫无意义。当然韩国‘剽窃’文化，所有人都在剽窃，人类文明就是这样前进的。你也可以说中国人‘剽窃’西方的文化、汽车、电视、电脑、铁路、飞机，名单无休无止。我也没有发现意大利和韩国有什么交集。差异大于共性。
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21、Tim
Yes, just like what you said, Chinese"steal" Western culture, but it was studying, to learn Western advanced technology and knowledge. Chinesewon't say that Sir Isaac Newton is Chinese, but Koreans will. they said thatQin Shi Huang is Korean. Just like they "steal" Chinese culture andsaid this culture was created by Koreans.
（回复20号评论）没错，正如你所说，中国‘剽窃’西方文化，但这是学习，学习西方先进的科技与知识。中国人不会说牛顿是中国人，而韩国人会这么说。他们说秦始皇是他们的。这就好比他们‘剽窃’了中国的文化，然后反过来这是韩国人自己创造的。
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22、Reginmund
Oh, right. Historical revisionism. This issimilar to how history has been written by nationalists and racial supremacistsall over the world, who for some reason feel their own achievements are soinadequate they have to steal others'. These people shouldn't be takenseriously, they're more like circus clowns with an inferiority complex. I'msure there are serious South Korean historians one can read instead.
（回复22号评论）没错，历史修正主义。全世界的历史都是出自民族主义者和种族之上主义者之手，他们认为自己所取得的成就不可能是剽窃他人所致。不能把这些人当回事，他们更像是自卑的马戏团小丑。我们应该读那些韩国严肃的历史学家的东西。
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23、SNK_1408
According to whom? Koreans have never madeclaimed on Si Maqian and Qin Shi Huang. Please cite your claim, because that'swhat I mostly heard from Chinese & Japanese trolls. Once again, Koreansdidn't dressed themselves as victims during the war.
Mind you China also steals others, startingfrom design to technology. Reverse engineering is also form of stealing. It's funnyhow you made claims on Koreans steal it from Chinaand Japan.Well, complain to French, Japanese & Taiwanese to stole over 600,000 piecesof Chinese relics & artifacts. Mind you Japan also stole 200,000 pieces ofKorean relics & artifacts and tried claiming as theirs. Korean culture isvery old culture it wasn't made overnight by copying it.
（回复19和21号评论）根据什么？韩国人从来没有说司马迁和秦始皇是韩国人。拿出证据来，因为我经常从中国人或日本人那里听到这些。再说一遍，战争期间，韩国人没有把自己伪装成受害者。
提醒你，中国也在剽窃别人，从设计到技术。逆向工程也来源于剽窃。搞笑的是你竟然声称韩国人剽窃中国和日本。去向法国人、日本人或台湾人抱怨被偷取的60多万件中国文物和艺术品去吧。还有就是日本也从韩国偷走了20万件文物和艺术品，然后声称那些东西是他们的。韩国文化历史悠久，这可不是一朝一夕就能山寨出来的。
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/4072.html
Some Koreans have attributed the recentsuccessful conquest of Korean pop culture (T.V., movies, online games, music,etc.) in East Asia (China, Japan, Southeast Asia, and even Uzbekistan!!!) to the Korean "nationalculture" which is similar to that of Italy:
"Koreans have long describedthemselves as the "Italians of Asia" - both groups, they say, arepeninsula dwellers who thrive on food, family, song and romance. Koreans nowfeel they are finally getting their due and they are glorying in the chance toedge out their neighbors on the global stage."
For the whole article, go to:http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/world/13493220.h tm
This so-called "Korean wave" isindeed quite unprecedented both in nature and in scope, unrivalled even by theprevious "Japanese wave" (70's and 80's) or "Hongkong wave"(80's and 90's). It is particularly remarkable in that Korea, sandwiched between two Asian giants China and Japan, had long been regarded as acountry of minor importance in the international arena. But things started tochange when South Koreastarted to successfully transform itself from a backward Third-World economy toa country with a near First-World standard of living. The hosting of theOlympics and co-hosting of the World Cup with Japan have further boosted thecountry's national pride, confidence, and international prestige.
While some critics (Chinese and Japanese)predict that this "Korean wave" won't last, it is still nothing shortof remarkable that this former colonial outpost of Japan can make a dent on thecultural landscape of two culturally chauvinistic countries.
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许多韩国人把风靡东亚（中国、日本、东南亚，甚至还有乌兹别克斯坦！）韩国的流行文化（电视、电影、网友、音乐等），并认为他们的‘国家文化’足以与意大利相媲美。
“长久以来，韩国人自比‘亚洲的意大利人’——他们说两个半岛的居民都以饮食、家庭、歌曲和浪漫见长。现在韩国人都认为他们最终会得到应得的一切，他们为韩国处于在全球舞台上挤压邻国的契机而感到光荣。”
传送门：（网址略）
‘韩流’在本质和范围上来说的确是空前的，更甚于之前的‘日流’ （7、80年代）和‘港流’（8、90年代）。特别值得注意的是，韩国夹在亚洲两巨头中国和日本之间，长久以来被认为是一个在国际舞台影响力较为次要的国家。不过当韩国开始从发展迟缓的第三世界经济向第一世界生活水准转变的时候，情况发生了转变。举办奥运会和联合承办世界杯极大提高了国民的自信心和荣誉感以及国际影响力。
当一些评论家（中国和日本）预言‘韩流’不会发生的时候，这一日本的前殖民地在人文方面的建树足以让两个文化大国感到吃惊，太不可思议了。
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1、Maju
I don't know much about Korea but demographically it is alarge country of 71 million people (both halves). It may be not much comparedwith the billion+ people of China but it's more than half the population ofJapan, and comparable to other large-but-not-huge countries such as:Philippines, Vietnam, Germany, Egypt, Ethiopia, Turkey, Iran, Thailand, France,UK, RD Congo or Italy (ranked 12th to 23rd in population). So I wouldn't lookat Korea as any dwarf inWorld politics, specially considering that South Korea alone ranks 12th in GDP (PPP) (comparable to Mexico or Spain)and 11th in GDP (nominal) (comparable to India,Mexico, Australia or Brazil).
我对韩国知之甚少，只知道它是一个有着7100万人口的大国（朝鲜半岛总和）。可能无法与十亿级的中国相提并论，但是比日本人口的一半还多，与一些地广人稀的国家诸如菲律宾、越南、德国、埃及、埃塞俄比亚、土耳其、伊朗、太过、法国、乌克兰、民主刚果或意大利（人口排名12到23位的国家）相当。所以我不认为韩国是世界政局中的侏儒，尤其是韩国的（购买力平价）GDP高居第12位（与墨西哥和西班牙相当），（名义）GDP位居第11位（与印度、墨西哥、澳大利亚和巴西相当）。
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2、Gubook Janggoon
Koreans the Italians of Asia?How about: The Italians are the Koreans of Europe? Those kinds of comparisionsare sick stereotypes and generalizations that hold little ground. I've evenheard the Koreans called "The Irish of the East". Utter Bullcock. BTW,Hallyu doesn't mean cold snap, it means Korean Wind. I don't really know why itshould be so surprising that its Korea'sturn to be media superstar in Asia. Hong Konghad its run, Japanhad its and ect. It was only a matter of time before SK stepped up to theplate.
韩国是亚洲的意大利？改成意大利是欧洲的韩国如何？这些比喻太老套了，来点新鲜的成不。我还听说过韩国是‘东方的爱尔兰’。什么乱七八糟的！顺便说一下，韩流不是寒流，而是‘韩国之风’。我想不明白为什么要对韩国成为亚洲媒体的执牛耳者而感到吃惊。香港以前也风光过，日本也是。韩国步他们的后尘，这只是时间问题而已。
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3、flyingzone
Good point, Gubook Janggoon. Eurocentrismis so ingrained in our understanding and interpretation of history and currentaffairs that it does take some effort to overcome it. Yes, Maju, Korea isdefinitely not a small country either in terms of population and the size ofits economy. But the "Korean Miracle" only took place relativelyrecently. The South Korea offour decades ago had a GDP per capita even lower than that of the Philippines.It's indeed remarkable how just a few decades of wise economic policies couldchange a nation completely. Just for curiosity's sake, why are the Koreanscalled "Irish of the East"?
Gubook Janggoon，你说得对。从我们对历史和现实的解读来看，根深蒂固的欧洲中心主义难以逾越。Maju，从人口和经济规模来说，韩国确乎不是效果，但‘韩国奇迹’也只是近些年来的事儿。40年前，韩国的人均GPD比菲律宾还要低。明智的经济政策在这么短的时间内让整个国家改头换面的确很了不起。只是有点好奇，韩国为什么被称作‘东方的爱尔’？
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4、Gubook Janggoon
Koreans: The Irish of the East. Somethingalong the lines of.
1. Both are a divided people2. Both can be violent3. Both are very spiritual4. Both are warm and hospitable5. Unrestrained in their passions: Quick to cry and quick to laugh
Something like that. Whether derogatory orfavorable these kinds of comparisons do great injustices to both parties beingcompared. Whether Irish and Korean orwhatever.
韩国：东方的爱尔兰。基于以下几点：
1、两者都是同胞分离。
2、两者都很极端。
3、两者的心灵都很强大。
4、两者都很热情友好。
5、激情无限：忽而大悲，忽而大喜。
差不多就是这样。这些相似之处不管是贬损还是赞扬对于双方当事人来说都是不公平的。不管是对于爱尔兰还是韩国人。
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5、Ikki （西班牙）
I think Korea-Poland is more accurate.
我觉得韩国和波兰更准确一些。
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6、Maju
Because the both build ships and arestretched between two more powerful neighbors?
（回复5号评论）是因为两者都能造船并且被两个更强大的邻居夹在中间吗？
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7、Tobodai
That and they both tend to get raped bytheir neighbors and divided between conquering powers. I think the rise of Koreanculture can only be a good thing. Not those sappy overlong romance movies thatare terrible (my grandmother wants to be buried with a picture of that oneactor guy) but overall Korean film is exquisite and fun. Recently I saw Oldboy,which must be one of the most twisted yet greatest films of all time.
因为它们都容易被各自的邻居蹂躏并肢解。我觉得韩国文化的崛起是一件好事。那些无聊透顶婆婆妈妈的爱情电影的确很糟（我的祖母想用一张男演员的照片来陪葬），不过大体上韩国电影很细腻，笑料很足。前阵子我看了《老男孩》（韩国电影，不是中国的那部），这是一部很拧巴但又伟大的电影。
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8、stupidumboy（韩国）
I do not think each Asian nation can becompared to European nation. Asia and Europe'shistorical story too much diffrent from each other. But If I have to pick onecountry in Europe that can be compared to Korea -I consider Koreans as the'Irish of Asia.
我认为不是每个亚洲国家都能与欧洲国家相比较。亚洲和欧洲的历史风马牛不相及。但如果必须拿一个欧洲国家来和韩国比较的话，我认为韩国是‘亚洲的爱尔兰’。
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9、sedamoun
But things started to change when South Koreastarted to successfully transform itself from a backward Third-World economy toa country with a near First-World standard of living. The hosting of theOlympics and co-hosting of the World Cup with Japan have further boosted thecountry's national pride, confidence, and international prestige.
不过当韩国开始从发展迟缓的第三世界经济向第一世界生活水准转变的时候，情况发生了转变。举办奥运会和联合承办世界杯极大提高了国民的自信心和荣誉感以及国际影响力。（引用）
Thanx to the USA - the "cold war bloc"South-Korea chose to side with. This is not a critic, just a fact. Once again,the USallied with a country that is becoming an economical threat: same thing as theJapanese (but on a lesser scale). Korean cars (Hyundai, Kia...) and electronics(Samsung amongst others) are taking more and more market shares, not only inthe Us but also in Europe. These asians have agreat work ethic. Watch out for Chinain the 10-15 years to come... Cheers.
感谢美国吧，韩国在‘冷战集团’中站对了队。这不是吹毛求疵，而是事实。再说一遍，与美国结盟的国家都会变成经济上的敌手：就像日本那样（只不过小了一号）。韩国的汽车业（现代，起亚）和电子业（三星等）占据了越来越多的市场份额，不仅在美国，欧洲也是如此。这些亚洲人有着极高的职业道德。接下来的10到15年要小心中国…等着瞧吧。
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10、cattus
I have personally always made Italy's connection with Asia to be China.
我个人总是把意大利和中国联系在一起。
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11、Ellatur
Just for curiosity's sake, why are theKoreans called "Irish of the East"?
只是有点好奇，韩国为什么被称作‘东方的爱尔’？（引用）
I think its also due to S Korea's fast growth from a sickly poor country to a well to docountry in a short period of time. Ireland suffered from very pooreconomy and emigration problems until recently. But since its admission to theEU and use of Euro as the currency, the economy grew in an astronomical rate.
But IMO, Irelandespecially should be called Koreaof the West, since Korea wasalready a pretty good country when Irelandwas starting to be considered as a country with a decent economy, and Korea outdoes Ireland in many economical factors
我认为这也与韩国在很短的时间内从一个穷国快速增长到富国有关。爱尔兰从前也遭遇了经济窘境和移民问题，直到现在才有所改观。自从（爱尔兰）加入欧盟并使用欧元之后，经济增长便是芝麻开花节节高。
不过在我看来，爱尔兰应该被称为‘西方的韩国’，因为当爱尔兰开始被认为是一个中等富裕国家的时候，韩国已经发展的很好了，同时韩国在很多经济方面都远胜爱尔兰。
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12、BigL
Korea Was probably one of the most hardestcountries ever to take over in the history it definitely was no push over, Suifailed ,Tang struggled very hard even Mongols had to win diplomatically, itslike the vietname of nothern asia
韩国或许是历史上最难征服的国家之一，隋失败了，唐费了九牛二虎之力，即使是蒙古也不得不从外交上来屈服韩国，跟东南亚的越南有一拼。
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13、interap008 （韩国）
That and they both tend to get raped bytheir neighbors and divided between conquering powers. I think the rise ofKorean culture can only be a good thing. Not those sappy overlong romancemovies that are terrible (my grandmother wants to be buried with a picture ofthat one actor guy) but overall Korean film is exquisite and fun. Recently Isaw Oldboy, which must be one of the most twisted yet greatest films of alltime.
因为它们都容易被各自的邻居蹂躏并肢解。我觉得韩国文化的崛起是一件好事。那些无聊透顶婆婆妈妈的爱情电影的确很糟（我的祖母想用一张男演员的照片来陪葬），不过大体上韩国电影很细腻，笑料很足。前阵子我看了《老男孩》，这是一部非常滑稽的好电影。（引用）
i really appreciate(?) your choice of thisword 'rape'. i could guess you are from Japan due to your ID name. so letme ask you something!
Are you very happy or proud of being son ofa rapist? So, Is that why you are still commemorating the spirit of the rape byvisiting the Yaskuni temple, in which there are the greatest rapists' grave?
Sorry i didn't know that your people admirea rapist, which i guess could be cultural defference(?). Indeed, you don't mindf**king with your siblings and the funniest thing is that you can sellofficially those kinds of porno, which contents sex withmother,father,son,doughter.
i don't know exactly but if i were son ofthe rapist, i'd be very ashamed of the fact unlike you.
我真的很感谢你选择了‘强暴’这个字眼，从你的ID我猜你可能是日本人。所以请让我问你一些问题！
你是否为自己是一个强奸犯的儿子而感到骄傲？那么为什么你们还要通过参拜靖国神社来纪念强奸犯的灵魂？
对不起我不知道你们崇拜的是强奸犯，这或许是文化上的差异吧？估计你并不介意与你的兄弟姐妹圈圈叉叉吧，你们公开贩卖那些与你们的爸爸妈妈儿子女儿圈圈叉叉的色情产品。
我不知道是否果真如此，但如果我的儿子是强奸犯，我会以之为耻，不像你们…
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14、Gubook Janggoon
Warning: You can contest someone's wordingwithout being offensive yourself.
（回复13号评论）警告：你可以和别人辩论，但火药味不要太浓。
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15、stupidumboy
I do not think there're any Japaneseforumers here , And I do not think Korean history needs to be described as theregional weaker and sandbag of bigger neighbors. In fact, after reading severalsof history records, I found out that Korea never was easy target toinvade and make battle against before Imjin war happend.
我觉得这个论坛没有日本人。我也不觉得韩国在历史上是一个弱者——强邻们的出气筒。事实上，在读了很多历史资料之后，我发现韩国从来都不是容易染指目标，在壬辰朝鲜战争之前曾多次抵抗过外敌。
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16、Dream208 （中国）
Historically, Korean dynasties were overallstronger than Japantill 15th though. Stronger here means the comparison of Military, Economy, andpolitical stability
历史上，朝鲜在15世纪之前都比日本要强大得多，包括军事、经济和政治稳定等方面。
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17、Jay （加拿大）
Why not, Italians - Koreans of Europe?
为什么不说意大利是欧洲的韩国呢？
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18、pebbles
1. Both are a divided people2. Bothcan be violent3. Both are very spiritual4. Both are warm and hospitable5. Unrestrained in their passions: Quick to cry and quick to laugh
Something like that. Whether derogatory orfavorable these kinds of comparisons do great injustices to both parties beingcompared. Whether Irish and Korean orwhatever.
韩国：东方的爱尔兰。基于以下几点：
1、两者都是同胞分离。
2、两者都很极端。
3、两者的心灵都很强大。
4、两者都很热情友好。
5、激情无限：忽而大悲，忽而大喜。（引用）
6. Unrestrained emotions: outwardlyblatantly rude & explosive quick temper 7. hard drinkers
6、生猛奔放：大大咧咧、急性子
7、海量
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19、Tim
you know, actually, South Korea is excluded in Asia.Because they like to steal the culture of other countries, especially Chineseculture. They said Si Maqian is Korean, Chinese Four Great Inventions areKorean's, and Chinese ancestors are Korean。They helped the Nazi-Japanese killed Chinese people during the WorldWar 2.Even crueler than Japanese, but after the War, they always dressthemselves as victims. Chinese and Japanese do not like South Korean.
你懂的，事实上韩国在亚洲不受待见。因为他们喜欢剽窃其他国家的文化，特别是中国文化。他们说司马迁是他们的，中国的四大发明是他们的，中国的祖先也是他们的。二战期间，他们充当纳粹日本的爪牙残杀中国人。甚至比日本人还要残忍，但在战后，他们就装出一副受害者的姿态。中国人和日本人都不喜欢韩国人。
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20、Reginmund
What's the point? Our generation had nopart in WW2 and modern day Chinese, Japanese and Koreans bear noresponsibility. To keep these grudges alive will not help anyone move forward andneither does it make sense. Of course Koreans "steal" culture,everyone steals culture, that's how human civilization advances. You could justas well say the Chinese "steal" Western culture; cars, TVs,computers, railroads, airplanes, the list goes on forever. And I don't find theparallel Italy-Korea very applicable. There are more differences thansimilarities.
这都是哪跟哪啊。我们这一代没有经历过二战，现在的中国人、日本人和韩国人不应为此负罪。仇恨不能使人向前，也毫无意义。当然韩国‘剽窃’文化，所有人都在剽窃，人类文明就是这样前进的。你也可以说中国人‘剽窃’西方的文化、汽车、电视、电脑、铁路、飞机，名单无休无止。我也没有发现意大利和韩国有什么交集。差异大于共性。
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21、Tim
Yes, just like what you said, Chinese"steal" Western culture, but it was studying, to learn Western advanced technology and knowledge. Chinesewon't say that Sir Isaac Newton is Chinese, but Koreans will. they said thatQin Shi Huang is Korean. Just like they "steal" Chinese culture andsaid this culture was created by Koreans.
（回复20号评论）没错，正如你所说，中国‘剽窃’西方文化，但这是学习，学习西方先进的科技与知识。中国人不会说牛顿是中国人，而韩国人会这么说。他们说秦始皇是他们的。这就好比他们‘剽窃’了中国的文化，然后反过来这是韩国人自己创造的。
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22、Reginmund
Oh, right. Historical revisionism. This issimilar to how history has been written by nationalists and racial supremacistsall over the world, who for some reason feel their own achievements are soinadequate they have to steal others'. These people shouldn't be takenseriously, they're more like circus clowns with an inferiority complex. I'msure there are serious South Korean historians one can read instead.
（回复22号评论）没错，历史修正主义。全世界的历史都是出自民族主义者和种族之上主义者之手，他们认为自己所取得的成就不可能是剽窃他人所致。不能把这些人当回事，他们更像是自卑的马戏团小丑。我们应该读那些韩国严肃的历史学家的东西。
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23、SNK_1408
According to whom? Koreans have never madeclaimed on Si Maqian and Qin Shi Huang. Please cite your claim, because that'swhat I mostly heard from Chinese & Japanese trolls. Once again, Koreansdidn't dressed themselves as victims during the war.
Mind you China also steals others, startingfrom design to technology. Reverse engineering is also form of stealing. It's funnyhow you made claims on Koreans steal it from Chinaand Japan.Well, complain to French, Japanese & Taiwanese to stole over 600,000 piecesof Chinese relics & artifacts. Mind you Japan also stole 200,000 pieces ofKorean relics & artifacts and tried claiming as theirs. Korean culture isvery old culture it wasn't made overnight by copying it.
（回复19和21号评论）根据什么？韩国人从来没有说司马迁和秦始皇是韩国人。拿出证据来，因为我经常从中国人或日本人那里听到这些。再说一遍，战争期间，韩国人没有把自己伪装成受害者。
提醒你，中国也在剽窃别人，从设计到技术。逆向工程也来源于剽窃。搞笑的是你竟然声称韩国人剽窃中国和日本。去向法国人、日本人或台湾人抱怨被偷取的60多万件中国文物和艺术品去吧。还有就是日本也从韩国偷走了20万件文物和艺术品，然后声称那些东西是他们的。韩国文化历史悠久，这可不是一朝一夕就能山寨出来的。
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/4072.html正文：
Some Koreans have attributed the recentsuccessful conquest of Korean pop culture (T.V., movies, online games, music,etc.) in East Asia (China, Japan, Southeast Asia, and even Uzbekistan!!!) to the Korean "nationalculture" which is similar to that of Italy:
"Koreans have long describedthemselves as the "Italians of Asia" - both groups, they say, arepeninsula dwellers who thrive on food, family, song and romance. Koreans nowfeel they are finally getting their due and they are glorying in the chance toedge out their neighbors on the global stage."
For the whole article, go to:http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/world/13493220.h tm
This so-called "Korean wave" isindeed quite unprecedented both in nature and in scope, unrivalled even by theprevious "Japanese wave" (70's and 80's) or "Hongkong wave"(80's and 90's). It is particularly remarkable in that Korea, sandwiched between two Asian giants China and Japan, had long been regarded as acountry of minor importance in the international arena. But things started tochange when South Koreastarted to successfully transform itself from a backward Third-World economy toa country with a near First-World standard of living. The hosting of theOlympics and co-hosting of the World Cup with Japan have further boosted thecountry's national pride, confidence, and international prestige.
While some critics (Chinese and Japanese)predict that this "Korean wave" won't last, it is still nothing shortof remarkable that this former colonial outpost of Japan can make a dent on thecultural landscape of two culturally chauvinistic countries.
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许多韩国人把风靡东亚（中国、日本、东南亚，甚至还有乌兹别克斯坦！）韩国的流行文化（电视、电影、网友、音乐等），并认为他们的‘国家文化’足以与意大利相媲美。
“长久以来，韩国人自比‘亚洲的意大利人’——他们说两个半岛的居民都以饮食、家庭、歌曲和浪漫见长。现在韩国人都认为他们最终会得到应得的一切，他们为韩国处于在全球舞台上挤压邻国的契机而感到光荣。”
传送门：（网址略）
‘韩流’在本质和范围上来说的确是空前的，更甚于之前的‘日流’ （7、80年代）和‘港流’（8、90年代）。特别值得注意的是，韩国夹在亚洲两巨头中国和日本之间，长久以来被认为是一个在国际舞台影响力较为次要的国家。不过当韩国开始从发展迟缓的第三世界经济向第一世界生活水准转变的时候，情况发生了转变。举办奥运会和联合承办世界杯极大提高了国民的自信心和荣誉感以及国际影响力。
当一些评论家（中国和日本）预言‘韩流’不会发生的时候，这一日本的前殖民地在人文方面的建树足以让两个文化大国感到吃惊，太不可思议了。
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1、Maju
I don't know much about Korea but demographically it is alarge country of 71 million people (both halves). It may be not much comparedwith the billion+ people of China but it's more than half the population ofJapan, and comparable to other large-but-not-huge countries such as:Philippines, Vietnam, Germany, Egypt, Ethiopia, Turkey, Iran, Thailand, France,UK, RD Congo or Italy (ranked 12th to 23rd in population). So I wouldn't lookat Korea as any dwarf inWorld politics, specially considering that South Korea alone ranks 12th in GDP (PPP) (comparable to Mexico or Spain)and 11th in GDP (nominal) (comparable to India,Mexico, Australia or Brazil).
我对韩国知之甚少，只知道它是一个有着7100万人口的大国（朝鲜半岛总和）。可能无法与十亿级的中国相提并论，但是比日本人口的一半还多，与一些地广人稀的国家诸如菲律宾、越南、德国、埃及、埃塞俄比亚、土耳其、伊朗、太过、法国、乌克兰、民主刚果或意大利（人口排名12到23位的国家）相当。所以我不认为韩国是世界政局中的侏儒，尤其是韩国的（购买力平价）GDP高居第12位（与墨西哥和西班牙相当），（名义）GDP位居第11位（与印度、墨西哥、澳大利亚和巴西相当）。
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2、Gubook Janggoon
Koreans the Italians of Asia?How about: The Italians are the Koreans of Europe? Those kinds of comparisionsare sick stereotypes and generalizations that hold little ground. I've evenheard the Koreans called "The Irish of the East". Utter Bullcock. BTW,Hallyu doesn't mean cold snap, it means Korean Wind. I don't really know why itshould be so surprising that its Korea'sturn to be media superstar in Asia. Hong Konghad its run, Japanhad its and ect. It was only a matter of time before SK stepped up to theplate.
韩国是亚洲的意大利？改成意大利是欧洲的韩国如何？这些比喻太老套了，来点新鲜的成不。我还听说过韩国是‘东方的爱尔兰’。什么乱七八糟的！顺便说一下，韩流不是寒流，而是‘韩国之风’。我想不明白为什么要对韩国成为亚洲媒体的执牛耳者而感到吃惊。香港以前也风光过，日本也是。韩国步他们的后尘，这只是时间问题而已。
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3、flyingzone
Good point, Gubook Janggoon. Eurocentrismis so ingrained in our understanding and interpretation of history and currentaffairs that it does take some effort to overcome it. Yes, Maju, Korea isdefinitely not a small country either in terms of population and the size ofits economy. But the "Korean Miracle" only took place relativelyrecently. The South Korea offour decades ago had a GDP per capita even lower than that of the Philippines.It's indeed remarkable how just a few decades of wise economic policies couldchange a nation completely. Just for curiosity's sake, why are the Koreanscalled "Irish of the East"?
Gubook Janggoon，你说得对。从我们对历史和现实的解读来看，根深蒂固的欧洲中心主义难以逾越。Maju，从人口和经济规模来说，韩国确乎不是效果，但‘韩国奇迹’也只是近些年来的事儿。40年前，韩国的人均GPD比菲律宾还要低。明智的经济政策在这么短的时间内让整个国家改头换面的确很了不起。只是有点好奇，韩国为什么被称作‘东方的爱尔’？
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4、Gubook Janggoon
Koreans: The Irish of the East. Somethingalong the lines of.
1. Both are a divided people2. Both can be violent3. Both are very spiritual4. Both are warm and hospitable5. Unrestrained in their passions: Quick to cry and quick to laugh
Something like that. Whether derogatory orfavorable these kinds of comparisons do great injustices to both parties beingcompared. Whether Irish and Korean orwhatever.
韩国：东方的爱尔兰。基于以下几点：
1、两者都是同胞分离。
2、两者都很极端。
3、两者的心灵都很强大。
4、两者都很热情友好。
5、激情无限：忽而大悲，忽而大喜。
差不多就是这样。这些相似之处不管是贬损还是赞扬对于双方当事人来说都是不公平的。不管是对于爱尔兰还是韩国人。
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5、Ikki （西班牙）
I think Korea-Poland is more accurate.
我觉得韩国和波兰更准确一些。
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6、Maju
Because the both build ships and arestretched between two more powerful neighbors?
（回复5号评论）是因为两者都能造船并且被两个更强大的邻居夹在中间吗？
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7、Tobodai
That and they both tend to get raped bytheir neighbors and divided between conquering powers. I think the rise of Koreanculture can only be a good thing. Not those sappy overlong romance movies thatare terrible (my grandmother wants to be buried with a picture of that oneactor guy) but overall Korean film is exquisite and fun. Recently I saw Oldboy,which must be one of the most twisted yet greatest films of all time.
因为它们都容易被各自的邻居蹂躏并肢解。我觉得韩国文化的崛起是一件好事。那些无聊透顶婆婆妈妈的爱情电影的确很糟（我的祖母想用一张男演员的照片来陪葬），不过大体上韩国电影很细腻，笑料很足。前阵子我看了《老男孩》（韩国电影，不是中国的那部），这是一部很拧巴但又伟大的电影。
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8、stupidumboy（韩国）
I do not think each Asian nation can becompared to European nation. Asia and Europe'shistorical story too much diffrent from each other. But If I have to pick onecountry in Europe that can be compared to Korea -I consider Koreans as the'Irish of Asia.
我认为不是每个亚洲国家都能与欧洲国家相比较。亚洲和欧洲的历史风马牛不相及。但如果必须拿一个欧洲国家来和韩国比较的话，我认为韩国是‘亚洲的爱尔兰’。
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9、sedamoun
But things started to change when South Koreastarted to successfully transform itself from a backward Third-World economy toa country with a near First-World standard of living. The hosting of theOlympics and co-hosting of the World Cup with Japan have further boosted thecountry's national pride, confidence, and international prestige.
不过当韩国开始从发展迟缓的第三世界经济向第一世界生活水准转变的时候，情况发生了转变。举办奥运会和联合承办世界杯极大提高了国民的自信心和荣誉感以及国际影响力。（引用）
Thanx to the USA - the "cold war bloc"South-Korea chose to side with. This is not a critic, just a fact. Once again,the USallied with a country that is becoming an economical threat: same thing as theJapanese (but on a lesser scale). Korean cars (Hyundai, Kia...) and electronics(Samsung amongst others) are taking more and more market shares, not only inthe Us but also in Europe. These asians have agreat work ethic. Watch out for Chinain the 10-15 years to come... Cheers.
感谢美国吧，韩国在‘冷战集团’中站对了队。这不是吹毛求疵，而是事实。再说一遍，与美国结盟的国家都会变成经济上的敌手：就像日本那样（只不过小了一号）。韩国的汽车业（现代，起亚）和电子业（三星等）占据了越来越多的市场份额，不仅在美国，欧洲也是如此。这些亚洲人有着极高的职业道德。接下来的10到15年要小心中国…等着瞧吧。
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10、cattus
I have personally always made Italy's connection with Asia to be China.
我个人总是把意大利和中国联系在一起。
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11、Ellatur
Just for curiosity's sake, why are theKoreans called "Irish of the East"?
只是有点好奇，韩国为什么被称作‘东方的爱尔’？（引用）
I think its also due to S Korea's fast growth from a sickly poor country to a well to docountry in a short period of time. Ireland suffered from very pooreconomy and emigration problems until recently. But since its admission to theEU and use of Euro as the currency, the economy grew in an astronomical rate.
But IMO, Irelandespecially should be called Koreaof the West, since Korea wasalready a pretty good country when Irelandwas starting to be considered as a country with a decent economy, and Korea outdoes Ireland in many economical factors
我认为这也与韩国在很短的时间内从一个穷国快速增长到富国有关。爱尔兰从前也遭遇了经济窘境和移民问题，直到现在才有所改观。自从（爱尔兰）加入欧盟并使用欧元之后，经济增长便是芝麻开花节节高。
不过在我看来，爱尔兰应该被称为‘西方的韩国’，因为当爱尔兰开始被认为是一个中等富裕国家的时候，韩国已经发展的很好了，同时韩国在很多经济方面都远胜爱尔兰。
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12、BigL
Korea Was probably one of the most hardestcountries ever to take over in the history it definitely was no push over, Suifailed ,Tang struggled very hard even Mongols had to win diplomatically, itslike the vietname of nothern asia
韩国或许是历史上最难征服的国家之一，隋失败了，唐费了九牛二虎之力，即使是蒙古也不得不从外交上来屈服韩国，跟东南亚的越南有一拼。
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13、interap008 （韩国）
That and they both tend to get raped bytheir neighbors and divided between conquering powers. I think the rise ofKorean culture can only be a good thing. Not those sappy overlong romancemovies that are terrible (my grandmother wants to be buried with a picture ofthat one actor guy) but overall Korean film is exquisite and fun. Recently Isaw Oldboy, which must be one of the most twisted yet greatest films of alltime.
因为它们都容易被各自的邻居蹂躏并肢解。我觉得韩国文化的崛起是一件好事。那些无聊透顶婆婆妈妈的爱情电影的确很糟（我的祖母想用一张男演员的照片来陪葬），不过大体上韩国电影很细腻，笑料很足。前阵子我看了《老男孩》，这是一部非常滑稽的好电影。（引用）
i really appreciate(?) your choice of thisword 'rape'. i could guess you are from Japan due to your ID name. so letme ask you something!
Are you very happy or proud of being son ofa rapist? So, Is that why you are still commemorating the spirit of the rape byvisiting the Yaskuni temple, in which there are the greatest rapists' grave?
Sorry i didn't know that your people admirea rapist, which i guess could be cultural defference(?). Indeed, you don't mindf**king with your siblings and the funniest thing is that you can sellofficially those kinds of porno, which contents sex withmother,father,son,doughter.
i don't know exactly but if i were son ofthe rapist, i'd be very ashamed of the fact unlike you.
我真的很感谢你选择了‘强暴’这个字眼，从你的ID我猜你可能是日本人。所以请让我问你一些问题！
你是否为自己是一个强奸犯的儿子而感到骄傲？那么为什么你们还要通过参拜靖国神社来纪念强奸犯的灵魂？
对不起我不知道你们崇拜的是强奸犯，这或许是文化上的差异吧？估计你并不介意与你的兄弟姐妹圈圈叉叉吧，你们公开贩卖那些与你们的爸爸妈妈儿子女儿圈圈叉叉的色情产品。
我不知道是否果真如此，但如果我的儿子是强奸犯，我会以之为耻，不像你们…
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14、Gubook Janggoon
Warning: You can contest someone's wordingwithout being offensive yourself.
（回复13号评论）警告：你可以和别人辩论，但火药味不要太浓。
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15、stupidumboy
I do not think there're any Japaneseforumers here , And I do not think Korean history needs to be described as theregional weaker and sandbag of bigger neighbors. In fact, after reading severalsof history records, I found out that Korea never was easy target toinvade and make battle against before Imjin war happend.
我觉得这个论坛没有日本人。我也不觉得韩国在历史上是一个弱者——强邻们的出气筒。事实上，在读了很多历史资料之后，我发现韩国从来都不是容易染指目标，在壬辰朝鲜战争之前曾多次抵抗过外敌。
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16、Dream208 （中国）
Historically, Korean dynasties were overallstronger than Japantill 15th though. Stronger here means the comparison of Military, Economy, andpolitical stability
历史上，朝鲜在15世纪之前都比日本要强大得多，包括军事、经济和政治稳定等方面。
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17、Jay （加拿大）
Why not, Italians - Koreans of Europe?
为什么不说意大利是欧洲的韩国呢？
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18、pebbles
1. Both are a divided people2. Bothcan be violent3. Both are very spiritual4. Both are warm and hospitable5. Unrestrained in their passions: Quick to cry and quick to laugh
Something like that. Whether derogatory orfavorable these kinds of comparisons do great injustices to both parties beingcompared. Whether Irish and Korean orwhatever.
韩国：东方的爱尔兰。基于以下几点：
1、两者都是同胞分离。
2、两者都很极端。
3、两者的心灵都很强大。
4、两者都很热情友好。
5、激情无限：忽而大悲，忽而大喜。（引用）
6. Unrestrained emotions: outwardlyblatantly rude & explosive quick temper 7. hard drinkers
6、生猛奔放：大大咧咧、急性子
7、海量
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19、Tim
you know, actually, South Korea is excluded in Asia.Because they like to steal the culture of other countries, especially Chineseculture. They said Si Maqian is Korean, Chinese Four Great Inventions areKorean's, and Chinese ancestors are Korean。They helped the Nazi-Japanese killed Chinese people during the WorldWar 2.Even crueler than Japanese, but after the War, they always dressthemselves as victims. Chinese and Japanese do not like South Korean.
你懂的，事实上韩国在亚洲不受待见。因为他们喜欢剽窃其他国家的文化，特别是中国文化。他们说司马迁是他们的，中国的四大发明是他们的，中国的祖先也是他们的。二战期间，他们充当纳粹日本的爪牙残杀中国人。甚至比日本人还要残忍，但在战后，他们就装出一副受害者的姿态。中国人和日本人都不喜欢韩国人。
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20、Reginmund
What's the point? Our generation had nopart in WW2 and modern day Chinese, Japanese and Koreans bear noresponsibility. To keep these grudges alive will not help anyone move forward andneither does it make sense. Of course Koreans "steal" culture,everyone steals culture, that's how human civilization advances. You could justas well say the Chinese "steal" Western culture; cars, TVs,computers, railroads, airplanes, the list goes on forever. And I don't find theparallel Italy-Korea very applicable. There are more differences thansimilarities.
这都是哪跟哪啊。我们这一代没有经历过二战，现在的中国人、日本人和韩国人不应为此负罪。仇恨不能使人向前，也毫无意义。当然韩国‘剽窃’文化，所有人都在剽窃，人类文明就是这样前进的。你也可以说中国人‘剽窃’西方的文化、汽车、电视、电脑、铁路、飞机，名单无休无止。我也没有发现意大利和韩国有什么交集。差异大于共性。
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21、Tim
Yes, just like what you said, Chinese"steal" Western culture, but it was studying, to learn Western advanced technology and knowledge. Chinesewon't say that Sir Isaac Newton is Chinese, but Koreans will. they said thatQin Shi Huang is Korean. Just like they "steal" Chinese culture andsaid this culture was created by Koreans.
（回复20号评论）没错，正如你所说，中国‘剽窃’西方文化，但这是学习，学习西方先进的科技与知识。中国人不会说牛顿是中国人，而韩国人会这么说。他们说秦始皇是他们的。这就好比他们‘剽窃’了中国的文化，然后反过来这是韩国人自己创造的。
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22、Reginmund
Oh, right. Historical revisionism. This issimilar to how history has been written by nationalists and racial supremacistsall over the world, who for some reason feel their own achievements are soinadequate they have to steal others'. These people shouldn't be takenseriously, they're more like circus clowns with an inferiority complex. I'msure there are serious South Korean historians one can read instead.
（回复22号评论）没错，历史修正主义。全世界的历史都是出自民族主义者和种族之上主义者之手，他们认为自己所取得的成就不可能是剽窃他人所致。不能把这些人当回事，他们更像是自卑的马戏团小丑。我们应该读那些韩国严肃的历史学家的东西。
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23、SNK_1408
According to whom? Koreans have never madeclaimed on Si Maqian and Qin Shi Huang. Please cite your claim, because that'swhat I mostly heard from Chinese & Japanese trolls. Once again, Koreansdidn't dressed themselves as victims during the war.
Mind you China also steals others, startingfrom design to technology. Reverse engineering is also form of stealing. It's funnyhow you made claims on Koreans steal it from Chinaand Japan.Well, complain to French, Japanese & Taiwanese to stole over 600,000 piecesof Chinese relics & artifacts. Mind you Japan also stole 200,000 pieces ofKorean relics & artifacts and tried claiming as theirs. Korean culture isvery old culture it wasn't made overnight by copying it.
（回复19和21号评论）根据什么？韩国人从来没有说司马迁和秦始皇是韩国人。拿出证据来，因为我经常从中国人或日本人那里听到这些。再说一遍，战争期间，韩国人没有把自己伪装成受害者。
提醒你，中国也在剽窃别人，从设计到技术。逆向工程也来源于剽窃。搞笑的是你竟然声称韩国人剽窃中国和日本。去向法国人、日本人或台湾人抱怨被偷取的60多万件中国文物和艺术品去吧。还有就是日本也从韩国偷走了20万件文物和艺术品，然后声称那些东西是他们的。韩国文化历史悠久，这可不是一朝一夕就能山寨出来的。
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我只知道用猪一样的队友来形容面条军很合适 ╮(╯_╰)╭
棒子军么，大家都懂的
棒子军么，大家都懂的
韩国严肃的历史学家 是什么东西?
韩国真是威名远播
韩国的造假技术世界闻名，从脸到生物科技到历史学到电子产品
亚洲的大波波还差不多。不过，
人大波波祖上还阔过。
人大波波祖上还阔过。秦王破阵 发表于 2012-2-19 13:35 ![]()
亚洲的大波波还差不多。不过，人大波波祖上还阔过。
棒子祖上是天顶星人
亚洲的大波波还差不多。不过，人大波波祖上还阔过。
棒子祖上是天顶星人
霏菲飞 发表于 2012-2-19 13:39 ![]()
棒子祖上是天顶星人
照啊！人家根正苗红，血统纯正高贵，地球人不能比。
棒子祖上是天顶星人
照啊！人家根正苗红，血统纯正高贵，地球人不能比。
宇宙已不能阻止棒子
韩棒子是历史上孙2 13DE 国家，最垃圾的国家！
我咋觉得评论里有国人和棒子互掐呢？
这棒子搞笑了..
意大利是个让人去了就不想离开的迷人国家，南部朝鲜怎没有这种感觉。