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附带一份英文详细资料，在下懒得翻译，是1746年4月克洛登（Culloden）那场
The Battle of Culloden 1745
War: The Jacobite Rebellion of 1745
Date: 16th April 1746
Place: South east of Inverness and a few miles south west of Nairn in Scotland
Combatants: The Highland Army of Prince Charles and the Royal Troops of George II

Generals: Prince Charles, Lord George Murray and the Duke of Cumberland.
Size of the Armies: 7,000 in the highland army and 8,000 in the royal army.
Winner: the royal troops under the Duke of Cumberland.
British Regiments: Culloden is not a battle honour for British regiments in spite of being a victory.


The regiments present at the battle were: Cobham’s (10th) and Kerr’s (11th) dragoons, Kingston’s Light Dragoons, the Royals (1st), Howard’s Old Buffs (3rd), Barrel’s King’s Own (4th) Wolfe’s (8th), Pulteney’s (13th), Price’s (14th), Bligh’s (20th), Campbell’s Royal Scots Fusiliers (21st), Sempill’s (25th), Blakeney’s (27th), Cholmondeley’s (34th), Fleming’s (36th), Munro’s (37th), Ligonier’s (48th) and Battereau’s (62nd) Foot. （英军战斗序列）

Colonel Francis Ligonier (brother of Lieutenant General Sir John Ligonier) had died soon after Falkirk and Sir Robert Munro was killed at that battle. Their regiments of foot became Conway’s and Dejean’s. Colonel Conway was one of the Duke’s aides de camp at Culloden. Bligh’s became Bury’s, Lord Bury being another adc. James Wolfe became the lieutenant colonel of Bury’s.
Royal Artillery under Colonel Belfort.  

Account:
the Duke of Cumberland arrived in Edinburgh on 30th January 1746 to take over command of the royal army from General Hawley, following the unsuccessful battle of Falkirk. The next day Cumberland marched north taking the circuitous route along the coast so the army could be supplied by the fleet. The army halted for some weeks at Aberdeen.

Unable to capture Stirling Castle from the redoubtable General Blakeney, Prince Charles’s Army retreated north to Inverness. From there he undertook operations across the Highlands, capturing Fort George and Fort Augustus and harrying the remaining government forces.

While at Aberdeen Cumberland prepared his troops for the forthcoming battle against the highlanders. He and his soldiers were determined there should not be another defeat like Prestonpans and Falkirk. In addition to practising volley firing the troops were taught a form of bayonet fighting; the first time in the British army that the use of the bayonet had been the subject of tuition.

The Duke of Cumberland was admired and liked by “Tommy Lobster” (the nickname for soldiers coming into use). He had been with them at Dettingen in 1743, where he had been wounded in the leg, and he had led the renowned infantry attack on the French at Fontenoy in 1745, an episode that attracted admiration and derision in equal measure.

In the 18th Century military authority was uncertain, particularly above regimental level. Cope and Hawley, although generals, did not have the clout to ensure their armies were properly equipped. The Duke was the second son of the monarch, a decisive source of authority, and was able to ensure his army had the equipment and support it needed from all departments of government. The fleet provided his supply and the Ordnance, a department independent of the Army, provided his powerful and well led train of artillery. In Colonel Belford Cumberland had Britain’s leading gunner. By the time the Royal Army marched north it was ready for the decisive encounter with the highlanders.

The Highland Army was not so well placed. It had been in serious decline since Falkirk, many of the highlanders leaving for home after the battle. Supply was badly organised and the regiments that assembled on the moorland outside Inverness to meet the Royal Army were on short ratioins. There was dissent among the senior officers and Prince Charles refused to concern himself with his deteriorating military situation.

A position was selected by Secretary O’Sullivan, Prince Charles’ adjutant general, on which the Highland Army would give battle to Cumberland’s troops. O’Sullivan chose a stretch of open moorland enclosed between the walled Culloden enclosures to the North and the walls of Culloden Park to the South. Lord George Murray and other senior officers pointed out the unsuitability of such open land in view of Cumberland’s powerful artillery. The Prince refused to change O’Sullivan’s choice.

On 15th April 1746 the Royal Army camped at Nairn, where it celebrated the Duke’s birthday. On that night the Highland Army attempted a night attack on Cumberland’s camp. The approach march was a failure, with men falling far behind and losing themselves in the boggy country. With dawn breaking the Highland Army was not near enough to launch its attack and was forced to return to Culloden, exhausted, discouraged and hungry.
This failure exacerbated the split between Prince Charles and some of his most important commanders. Many of the highlanders went off to search for food or to sleep.

The Royal Army rose early on 16th April 1746 and began its approach march to Culloden, moving onto the moor in four columns. The troops were well fed and rested, confident and determined. The Argyll Militia, comprising Campbell highlanders, and Kingston’s Light Horse reconnoitred in advance of the army.
The alarm was given in the Highland camp and guns were fired to summon the clans to their battle positions.


In addition to the shortage of supplies and the exhaustion of the men, the Highland Army was beset with difficulties. Important sections of the army were in the North pursuing Loudon’s government forces. Many of the men who had left their regiments to forage and sleep failed to hear the summons. The waning fortunes of the rebellion had brought out stresses within the army. A dispute between the Clanranald and Glengarry sections of the Clan McDonald had caused many to return home. The remaining MacDonalds were upset that they had been allotted the left flank of the army rather than the right. In the event they could not be persuaded to charge.

The first line of the Highland Army formed with the Atholl regiments on the right flank, then the Camerons of Locheil, Stewarts of Appin, Frasers, Mackintoshes, Macleans and Maclachlans, Farquarharsons, Stuarts and the Macdonalds.

The second line comprised the various mounted regiments, much depleted by the wear on the horses of the long campaign, the regular regiments of Scots and Irish foot from the French army and a few further clan regiments.

Placed in the centre and on each flank was the motley assemblage of cannon possessed by the army, largely manned by scratch teams of inexperienced gunners.
Once assembled the Highland Army numbered some 5,000.
At around midday the Royal Army arrived on the field of battle, after marching some 10 miles across the moorland from the camp at Nairn, the regiments forming 3 lines. The army then advanced in line to bring itself closer to the rebels and halted. 2 regiments were brought from the third into the first and second lines to extend the flank on the right, and the dragoon regiments stationed on the outside.

Cumberland’s regiments stood from right to left: in the front line: Pulteney’s, the Royal Regiment, Cholmondeley’s, Price’s, the Royal Scots Fusiliers, Munro’s and Barrel’s: in the second line: Campbell’s, Battereau’s, Howard’s, Fleming’s, Bligh’s, Sempill’s and Ligonier’s. Blakeney’s regiment formed the third line alone.

Wolfe’s Regiment took post behind the wall that led forward from Barrel’s left flank, so as to provide enfillading fire across the army’s front. The 6 pounder guns were placed in pairs between the front line regiments and the mortars in a battery behind the first line. The two armies stood some 300 yards apart.

It was Prince Charles’ expectation that Cumberland would attack first. He waited for the word that he was advancing, but the Royal Army did not move. The bombardment continued inflicting more casualties on the highlanders and wreaking havoc with the morale of many of the less steadfast rebel regiments.

Prince Charles was finally persuaded that he must order the highlanders to charge before the army began to melt away. He dispatched aides de camp to give the word to the various parts of the first line to attack.

On the left the Duke of Perth attempted to persuade the McDonalds to charge, but they refused.

Elsewhere in the highland front line the order was instantly obeyed, the highlanders keen to escape from the galling gunfire and get to grips with the enemy. The first regiment away was the MacIntosh, known as Clan Chattan, led by its yellow haired colonel, McGillivray of Dunmaglass.

The highlanders’ charge was a fearsome spectacle; crowds of clansmen running at top speed with broadswords, target shields and dirks, yelling their clan war cries. One of the drawbacks to the position selected by O’Sullivan was an area of boggy ground that lay unnoticed to its front. To maintain momentum the Clan Chattan veered to its right, avoiding the bog and following the the road that passed diagonally on firm ground across the moor. They crowded across in front of the clan regiments to their right, obstructing the path of the attack and pushing their neighbours towards the park wall.

Pushing through the confusion, the Frasers, Appin Stewarts, Locheil’s Camerons and the three regiments of Athollmen charged home on Cumberland’s left wing striking Barrel’s King’s Own Regiment on the extreme flank.

All the regiments of foot in the Royal first line fired on the attacking highlanders, the guns discharging cannisters of ball. The wind was behind them pushing the choking clouds of powder smoke, a feature of every 18th Century battle, down on the highlanders.

Wolfe’s regiment fired into the flank of the highland charge from its position behind the wall, inflicting many casualties.

The surviving highlanders smashed into Barrel’s and Munro’s. Hand to hand fighting of considerable ferocity took place. This time, unlike the two earlier battles, the royal troops fought it out. Lord Robert Kerr, a captain in Barrel’s, was killed with a smashing blow from a broadsword. Robert Rich, the lieutenant colonel of the regiment, lost his left hand to a sword cut and nearly lost the right forearm to another, in addition to six cuts to his head.

Cumberland ordered up Bligh’s and Sempill’s regiments in support and the highlanders who managed to pass through the front line were shot down by these regiments. Those highlanders that survived the charge made their way back to rebel lines, receiving further fire from Wolfe’s as they passed.

The royal dragoons moved forward, ranging across the battlefield, and the Campbells crossed Culloden Park, coming out behind the rebels right flank.

Prince Charles rode away and the clan regiments left the field, their retreat covered by the Irish Pickets and the other regular regiments of foot. The battle was over.

Follow-up:
Culloden marked the end of the military phase of the Jacobite Rebellion of 1745/6. The battle was followed by a lengthy period of suppression in the Highlands marked by massacre and despoiling. Of the officers and chiefs who escaped the battle, those who could fled to Europe and served in foreign armies. Some were in due course permitted to return. Many of the Jacobite rank and file fled to the American colonies. The prisoners were tried at Berwick, York and London and around 80 were executed, the last in 1754.

Regimental anecdotes and traditions:
Culloden is a battle that has bred many anecdotes and traditions. It is only possible to refer to a few:

The Duke of Cumberland is reputed to have said to his army before the battle “If there is any man who does not wish to fight the highlanders, I beg him in God’s name to go. I would rather fight with one thousand resolute men than ten thousand half-hearted.”

Following the battle Handel wrote his oratorio Judas Maccabaeus to honour the Duke of Cumberland, with the aria “See how the conquering hero comes”.

It is said that after the battle the Duke pointed at a wounded higlander and directed Major James Wolfe to shoot him. Wolfe is reputed to have said that his commission was at the disposal of the Duke but not his honour. A soldier shot the highlander who is said to have been Charles Fraser of Inverallochy, lieutenant colonel of Lovat’s regiment.

It is a regimental tradition of the Somerset Light Infantry (13th Foot) that their sergeants wear their sashes over the left shoulder to mark the fact that after Culloden the sergeants took the regiment out of action, all the officers being casualties. In fact the 13th had no casualties at Culloden and probably did not fire.

The lieutenant colonel of Barrel’s, Sir Robert Rich, lost a hand and an eye in the battle. Lord Robert Kerr, a captain in Barrel’s attacked a highlander with his spontoon and was immediately cut to pieces. The colours of Barrel’s are displayed in the Royal Scottish United Services Museum in Edinburgh Castle next to the standard of the Appin Stewarts who attacked them.








附带一份英文详细资料，在下懒得翻译，是1746年4月克洛登（Culloden）那场
The Battle of Culloden 1745
War: The Jacobite Rebellion of 1745
Date: 16th April 1746
Place: South east of Inverness and a few miles south west of Nairn in Scotland
Combatants: The Highland Army of Prince Charles and the Royal Troops of George II

Generals: Prince Charles, Lord George Murray and the Duke of Cumberland.
Size of the Armies: 7,000 in the highland army and 8,000 in the royal army.
Winner: the royal troops under the Duke of Cumberland.
British Regiments: Culloden is not a battle honour for British regiments in spite of being a victory.


The regiments present at the battle were: Cobham’s (10th) and Kerr’s (11th) dragoons, Kingston’s Light Dragoons, the Royals (1st), Howard’s Old Buffs (3rd), Barrel’s King’s Own (4th) Wolfe’s (8th), Pulteney’s (13th), Price’s (14th), Bligh’s (20th), Campbell’s Royal Scots Fusiliers (21st), Sempill’s (25th), Blakeney’s (27th), Cholmondeley’s (34th), Fleming’s (36th), Munro’s (37th), Ligonier’s (48th) and Battereau’s (62nd) Foot. （英军战斗序列）

Colonel Francis Ligonier (brother of Lieutenant General Sir John Ligonier) had died soon after Falkirk and Sir Robert Munro was killed at that battle. Their regiments of foot became Conway’s and Dejean’s. Colonel Conway was one of the Duke’s aides de camp at Culloden. Bligh’s became Bury’s, Lord Bury being another adc. James Wolfe became the lieutenant colonel of Bury’s.
Royal Artillery under Colonel Belfort.  

Account:
the Duke of Cumberland arrived in Edinburgh on 30th January 1746 to take over command of the royal army from General Hawley, following the unsuccessful battle of Falkirk. The next day Cumberland marched north taking the circuitous route along the coast so the army could be supplied by the fleet. The army halted for some weeks at Aberdeen.

Unable to capture Stirling Castle from the redoubtable General Blakeney, Prince Charles’s Army retreated north to Inverness. From there he undertook operations across the Highlands, capturing Fort George and Fort Augustus and harrying the remaining government forces.

While at Aberdeen Cumberland prepared his troops for the forthcoming battle against the highlanders. He and his soldiers were determined there should not be another defeat like Prestonpans and Falkirk. In addition to practising volley firing the troops were taught a form of bayonet fighting; the first time in the British army that the use of the bayonet had been the subject of tuition.

The Duke of Cumberland was admired and liked by “Tommy Lobster” (the nickname for soldiers coming into use). He had been with them at Dettingen in 1743, where he had been wounded in the leg, and he had led the renowned infantry attack on the French at Fontenoy in 1745, an episode that attracted admiration and derision in equal measure.

In the 18th Century military authority was uncertain, particularly above regimental level. Cope and Hawley, although generals, did not have the clout to ensure their armies were properly equipped. The Duke was the second son of the monarch, a decisive source of authority, and was able to ensure his army had the equipment and support it needed from all departments of government. The fleet provided his supply and the Ordnance, a department independent of the Army, provided his powerful and well led train of artillery. In Colonel Belford Cumberland had Britain’s leading gunner. By the time the Royal Army marched north it was ready for the decisive encounter with the highlanders.

The Highland Army was not so well placed. It had been in serious decline since Falkirk, many of the highlanders leaving for home after the battle. Supply was badly organised and the regiments that assembled on the moorland outside Inverness to meet the Royal Army were on short ratioins. There was dissent among the senior officers and Prince Charles refused to concern himself with his deteriorating military situation.

A position was selected by Secretary O’Sullivan, Prince Charles’ adjutant general, on which the Highland Army would give battle to Cumberland’s troops. O’Sullivan chose a stretch of open moorland enclosed between the walled Culloden enclosures to the North and the walls of Culloden Park to the South. Lord George Murray and other senior officers pointed out the unsuitability of such open land in view of Cumberland’s powerful artillery. The Prince refused to change O’Sullivan’s choice.

On 15th April 1746 the Royal Army camped at Nairn, where it celebrated the Duke’s birthday. On that night the Highland Army attempted a night attack on Cumberland’s camp. The approach march was a failure, with men falling far behind and losing themselves in the boggy country. With dawn breaking the Highland Army was not near enough to launch its attack and was forced to return to Culloden, exhausted, discouraged and hungry.
This failure exacerbated the split between Prince Charles and some of his most important commanders. Many of the highlanders went off to search for food or to sleep.

The Royal Army rose early on 16th April 1746 and began its approach march to Culloden, moving onto the moor in four columns. The troops were well fed and rested, confident and determined. The Argyll Militia, comprising Campbell highlanders, and Kingston’s Light Horse reconnoitred in advance of the army.
The alarm was given in the Highland camp and guns were fired to summon the clans to their battle positions.


In addition to the shortage of supplies and the exhaustion of the men, the Highland Army was beset with difficulties. Important sections of the army were in the North pursuing Loudon’s government forces. Many of the men who had left their regiments to forage and sleep failed to hear the summons. The waning fortunes of the rebellion had brought out stresses within the army. A dispute between the Clanranald and Glengarry sections of the Clan McDonald had caused many to return home. The remaining MacDonalds were upset that they had been allotted the left flank of the army rather than the right. In the event they could not be persuaded to charge.

The first line of the Highland Army formed with the Atholl regiments on the right flank, then the Camerons of Locheil, Stewarts of Appin, Frasers, Mackintoshes, Macleans and Maclachlans, Farquarharsons, Stuarts and the Macdonalds.

The second line comprised the various mounted regiments, much depleted by the wear on the horses of the long campaign, the regular regiments of Scots and Irish foot from the French army and a few further clan regiments.

Placed in the centre and on each flank was the motley assemblage of cannon possessed by the army, largely manned by scratch teams of inexperienced gunners.
Once assembled the Highland Army numbered some 5,000.
At around midday the Royal Army arrived on the field of battle, after marching some 10 miles across the moorland from the camp at Nairn, the regiments forming 3 lines. The army then advanced in line to bring itself closer to the rebels and halted. 2 regiments were brought from the third into the first and second lines to extend the flank on the right, and the dragoon regiments stationed on the outside.

Cumberland’s regiments stood from right to left: in the front line: Pulteney’s, the Royal Regiment, Cholmondeley’s, Price’s, the Royal Scots Fusiliers, Munro’s and Barrel’s: in the second line: Campbell’s, Battereau’s, Howard’s, Fleming’s, Bligh’s, Sempill’s and Ligonier’s. Blakeney’s regiment formed the third line alone.

Wolfe’s Regiment took post behind the wall that led forward from Barrel’s left flank, so as to provide enfillading fire across the army’s front. The 6 pounder guns were placed in pairs between the front line regiments and the mortars in a battery behind the first line. The two armies stood some 300 yards apart.

It was Prince Charles’ expectation that Cumberland would attack first. He waited for the word that he was advancing, but the Royal Army did not move. The bombardment continued inflicting more casualties on the highlanders and wreaking havoc with the morale of many of the less steadfast rebel regiments.

Prince Charles was finally persuaded that he must order the highlanders to charge before the army began to melt away. He dispatched aides de camp to give the word to the various parts of the first line to attack.

On the left the Duke of Perth attempted to persuade the McDonalds to charge, but they refused.

Elsewhere in the highland front line the order was instantly obeyed, the highlanders keen to escape from the galling gunfire and get to grips with the enemy. The first regiment away was the MacIntosh, known as Clan Chattan, led by its yellow haired colonel, McGillivray of Dunmaglass.

The highlanders’ charge was a fearsome spectacle; crowds of clansmen running at top speed with broadswords, target shields and dirks, yelling their clan war cries. One of the drawbacks to the position selected by O’Sullivan was an area of boggy ground that lay unnoticed to its front. To maintain momentum the Clan Chattan veered to its right, avoiding the bog and following the the road that passed diagonally on firm ground across the moor. They crowded across in front of the clan regiments to their right, obstructing the path of the attack and pushing their neighbours towards the park wall.

Pushing through the confusion, the Frasers, Appin Stewarts, Locheil’s Camerons and the three regiments of Athollmen charged home on Cumberland’s left wing striking Barrel’s King’s Own Regiment on the extreme flank.

All the regiments of foot in the Royal first line fired on the attacking highlanders, the guns discharging cannisters of ball. The wind was behind them pushing the choking clouds of powder smoke, a feature of every 18th Century battle, down on the highlanders.

Wolfe’s regiment fired into the flank of the highland charge from its position behind the wall, inflicting many casualties.

The surviving highlanders smashed into Barrel’s and Munro’s. Hand to hand fighting of considerable ferocity took place. This time, unlike the two earlier battles, the royal troops fought it out. Lord Robert Kerr, a captain in Barrel’s, was killed with a smashing blow from a broadsword. Robert Rich, the lieutenant colonel of the regiment, lost his left hand to a sword cut and nearly lost the right forearm to another, in addition to six cuts to his head.

Cumberland ordered up Bligh’s and Sempill’s regiments in support and the highlanders who managed to pass through the front line were shot down by these regiments. Those highlanders that survived the charge made their way back to rebel lines, receiving further fire from Wolfe’s as they passed.

The royal dragoons moved forward, ranging across the battlefield, and the Campbells crossed Culloden Park, coming out behind the rebels right flank.

Prince Charles rode away and the clan regiments left the field, their retreat covered by the Irish Pickets and the other regular regiments of foot. The battle was over.

Follow-up:
Culloden marked the end of the military phase of the Jacobite Rebellion of 1745/6. The battle was followed by a lengthy period of suppression in the Highlands marked by massacre and despoiling. Of the officers and chiefs who escaped the battle, those who could fled to Europe and served in foreign armies. Some were in due course permitted to return. Many of the Jacobite rank and file fled to the American colonies. The prisoners were tried at Berwick, York and London and around 80 were executed, the last in 1754.

Regimental anecdotes and traditions:
Culloden is a battle that has bred many anecdotes and traditions. It is only possible to refer to a few:

The Duke of Cumberland is reputed to have said to his army before the battle “If there is any man who does not wish to fight the highlanders, I beg him in God’s name to go. I would rather fight with one thousand resolute men than ten thousand half-hearted.”

Following the battle Handel wrote his oratorio Judas Maccabaeus to honour the Duke of Cumberland, with the aria “See how the conquering hero comes”.

It is said that after the battle the Duke pointed at a wounded higlander and directed Major James Wolfe to shoot him. Wolfe is reputed to have said that his commission was at the disposal of the Duke but not his honour. A soldier shot the highlander who is said to have been Charles Fraser of Inverallochy, lieutenant colonel of Lovat’s regiment.

It is a regimental tradition of the Somerset Light Infantry (13th Foot) that their sergeants wear their sashes over the left shoulder to mark the fact that after Culloden the sergeants took the regiment out of action, all the officers being casualties. In fact the 13th had no casualties at Culloden and probably did not fire.

The lieutenant colonel of Barrel’s, Sir Robert Rich, lost a hand and an eye in the battle. Lord Robert Kerr, a captain in Barrel’s attacked a highlander with his spontoon and was immediately cut to pieces. The colours of Barrel’s are displayed in the Royal Scottish United Services Museum in Edinburgh Castle next to the standard of the Appin Stewarts who attacked them.

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剑盾兵把火枪兵收拾了？

南极地熊 发表于 2012-1-28 12:49
剑盾兵把火枪兵收拾了？
只能说当时的英国陆军太菜了，换上法国或者奥地利的陆军试试

英国陆军向来就不是重点嘛，虽然也出过亮点……

唉，一个偏将就带这么多人

当时，子弹打不穿厚盾

知道了。。。

嗯嗯，很应景的帖子啊，小苏最近这几天又情绪不稳准备闹独立了。

苏格兰独立万岁！嘻嘻

2012-1-28 18:02 上传

高地人威武

好歹也是万人级别的对战，损失那么点人就不行了……

lvchou 发表于 2012-1-28 18:08
好歹也是万人级别的对战，损失那么点人就不行了……
欧洲真的好多村战啊

不奇怪
线列步兵没了阵型就是被屠杀的命

那个时侯武器的自动化和杀伤力都不行，虽不至于在一定距离内大不穿盾牌，但很多时候不是战场上主导杀伤的武器

其实那个时候的龙虾兵的步兵输就输在在那个时期过于相信当时科技水平火器的杀伤而忽视了肉搏训练
值得指出的是这些精锐的龙虾兵还是在前两次吃亏的基础上临时受过两周拼刺训练的，效果是当高地武士冲上来之后还不至于立即溃散，后期英国龙虾兵在侵略亚洲的时候基本能凭借坚定的刺刀列阵击败数量远多于自己的武士

必须指出一点，所谓的刺刀训练是以近代军队高度的组织纪律为基础的，更多的是纪律的配合和功劳，论个人技术是比不过古代职业一点的兵和封建武士的，并不算是近代军队的强项

英国陆军威猛的时代主要是在狮心王开始到亨利五世，主要舞台是在海外圣地或者法国。

fdbiology 发表于 2012-1-28 13:10
只能说当时的英国陆军太菜了，换上法国或者奥地利的陆军试试
苏格兰向来比较猛，和拿破仑打的时候也是苏格兰的团发挥最稳定，是当时英国军队的中流砥柱。。。

evansblue1985 发表于 2012-1-28 21:44
不奇怪
线列步兵没了阵型就是被屠杀的命
在克里米亚也是苏格兰团，在英军主力被击败溃散时，面对乘胜追击刷经验的毛子骑兵。他们没有组成方阵而是排成细线抗了3轮骑兵冲击后取胜。。。。细红线（The Thin Red Line）这个词就是这么来的

那话怎么说来着 十个高地佬加一部风笛能横扫世界

kkyyhg 发表于 2012-1-29 13:34
在克里米亚也是苏格兰团，在英军主力被击败溃散时，面对乘胜追击刷经验的毛子骑兵。他们没有组成方阵而是 ...
一条线也是阵型
那时候打仗说到底就是部队的纪律性
前进，停止前进，装弹，开火，这些非常简单的动作在那种情况下能像机器人一样完成的就是最优秀的线列步兵
近代化军队最大的革命不是他们用火器，而是他们的纪律性
早期的火器部队如果没有纪律性，打不过冷兵器部队一点也不奇怪

苏格兰高地人威武雄壮！

evansblue1985 发表于 2012-1-29 23:53
一条线也是阵型
那时候打仗说到底就是部队的纪律性
前进，停止前进，装弹，开火，这些非常简单的动作在 ...
那个年代对骑兵只有方型阵，线型对步兵还行，对骑兵是找虐，这个阵势士兵还能能沉着应战而不溃散很难得

为了你们的自由勇敢战斗吧！Free Scotland！

开火速度，能打出持续的弹幕是关键；一般认为6排火枪兵是标准阵列厚度，瑞典古斯塔夫皇帝第一个训练出了“双倍击发”的步兵，各国跟进，从此就是我们看到的3列步兵了。苏格兰是非常勇猛的，历史上一直压倒英格兰打，一个英国朋友说他们的时候，就和我们说哪种野蛮人没两样，据说冲锋的时候全身脱光，一路杀过来，但是最后还是灭国了
冷兵器或许能赢得一两次战役，但最终基于工业的火器才是王者

kkyyhg 发表于 2012-1-30 01:02
那个年代对骑兵只有方型阵，线型对步兵还行，对骑兵是找虐，这个阵势士兵还能能沉着应战而不溃散很难得
欧洲的情况很怪异，法国是以骑兵为主的国家，但在百年战争的时候，火器还用得很少，就已经被英国的长弓部队打得落花流水了，最后都只是敲边鼓的角色。
有可能和他们冶金科学的快速发展有关，当时能够抵挡英国长弓部队的，就只有全身甲胄的重装步兵了，在性能优异的板甲保护下，他们可以低着头，放下面具，一直攻到弓箭手的面前
这种情况下，只有弩和火器，可以击穿步兵的胸甲
因此，也有人认为欧洲火器的快速发展，其实只是对欧洲冶金和防护技术进步的自然反应

这伤亡人数···又是俩村在械斗

剑河风雪 发表于 2012-1-30 02:34
开火速度，能打出持续的弹幕是关键；一般认为6排火枪兵是标准阵列厚度，瑞典古斯塔夫皇帝第一个训练出了“双 ...
苏格兰的斯图亚特王朝后来还是短暂复辟了几天的。不过历史在前进。君主立宪后当有实权的皇帝就是浮云了

剑河风雪 发表于 2012-1-30 02:39
欧洲的情况很怪异，法国是以骑兵为主的国家，但在百年战争的时候，火器还用得很少，就已经被英国的长弓部 ...
其实英国人骑兵不多，很多英国骑士都是没马的重步兵。法国人用弩比较多

所谓步兵撑盾牌对穿刺伤害减少还有一定几率反弹伤害的技能设计灵感是这么来的……

kkyyhg 发表于 2012-1-30 01:02
那个年代对骑兵只有方型阵，线型对步兵还行，对骑兵是找虐，这个阵势士兵还能能沉着应战而不溃散很难得
就是纪律性在起作用
必死的决心

剑河风雪 发表于 2012-1-30 02:34
开火速度，能打出持续的弹幕是关键；一般认为6排火枪兵是标准阵列厚度，瑞典古斯塔夫皇帝第一个训练出了“双 ...
不算灭亡吧，虽然是沦落到奉共主的从属位置，但毕竟也还有个位置。英国正式国号是大不列颠（及XXXX）联合王国——所谓联合最早就是指苏格兰英格兰啊。

evansblue1985 发表于 2012-1-30 16:17
就是纪律性在起作用
必死的决心
纪律的作用，主要体现在对步兵方阵的死守坚固，最主要的便是这里

其实论勇气，近代军队还真不一定比封建精兵和武士来得强

欧洲人真精贵，镇压叛乱也就几千几千的出兵...

高地人是无敌的 除了砍头 别的方法怎么杀都会复活

Free Scotland！

剑河风雪 发表于 2012-1-30 02:34
开火速度，能打出持续的弹幕是关键；一般认为6排火枪兵是标准阵列厚度，瑞典古斯塔夫皇帝第一个训练出了“双 ...
苏格兰啥时候灭国了？