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印度空军老大将要求简单说了一下子..........

发动机已经选择: 上FGFA的发动机要比117更加强大.....


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Indian Air Force to seek engine upgrade for fighter aircraft


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New Delhi: The Indian Air Force will seek a more powerful engine for the Sukhoi T-50 fifth-generation stealth fighter jet that is being jointly developed by Russia and India for delivery in 2018, a top government official said.

The air force is aiming to induct 250 Sukhoi T-50s with stealth technology, 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft and 120 indigenously built light combat aircraft, known as the Tejas, in addition to upgrading RAC MiG-29, Dassault Mirage 2000H/TH and Jaguar fighter jets.

India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, Russia’s Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi Co. had signed an agreement in 2010 to jointly design and develop the fifth-generation fighter jet.

India hopes to induct the jets from 2017-2018 to bolster its air defences.

Air chief marshal N.A.K. Browne said he was satisfied with the progress of the fighter jet project, but will seek an upgrade of the engine.

“It has flown a number of sorties,” Browne said on the sidelines of an aerospace conference in New Delhi. “A lot of changes are going to take place by the time we get the first aircraft. The engine is going to be different. It’s going to be a more powerful engine than the one fitted right now. We have selected the engine.

The air force chief did not provide details of the upgraded engine or its capabilities.

“Perhaps what he is referring to is the 117S engine, which is an advanced version of the AL-31F engine,” said Deba R. Mohanty, senior fellow in security studies at Observer Research Foundation.

India may learn very little about design from the stealth jet projects as most of the work has already been completed, Mohanty said.

“When we are talking about joint development, three areas are important—upgraded avionics, composite material related to stealth technology and the engine, which could have helped our own Kaveri engine programme,” he said. “I don’t think India is going to get much in design knowledge, maybe more in the production stage. I wish India could have joined earlier.”

Timelines for the delivery of the fifth-generation aircraft to the air force will become clear once the programme moves from prototype to production, Browne said.

“By 2017-2018, we expect the first aircraft to come to us,” he said. “The aircraft is still under prototype testing. So, once the prototype is over and it gets into the production phase, then we will be sure of the timelines.”

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印度空军老大将要求简单说了一下子..........

发动机已经选择: 上FGFA的发动机要比117更加强大.....


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Indian Air Force to seek engine upgrade for fighter aircraft


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New Delhi: The Indian Air Force will seek a more powerful engine for the Sukhoi T-50 fifth-generation stealth fighter jet that is being jointly developed by Russia and India for delivery in 2018, a top government official said.

The air force is aiming to induct 250 Sukhoi T-50s with stealth technology, 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft and 120 indigenously built light combat aircraft, known as the Tejas, in addition to upgrading RAC MiG-29, Dassault Mirage 2000H/TH and Jaguar fighter jets.

India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, Russia’s Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi Co. had signed an agreement in 2010 to jointly design and develop the fifth-generation fighter jet.

India hopes to induct the jets from 2017-2018 to bolster its air defences.

Air chief marshal N.A.K. Browne said he was satisfied with the progress of the fighter jet project, but will seek an upgrade of the engine.

“It has flown a number of sorties,” Browne said on the sidelines of an aerospace conference in New Delhi. “A lot of changes are going to take place by the time we get the first aircraft. The engine is going to be different. It’s going to be a more powerful engine than the one fitted right now. We have selected the engine.

The air force chief did not provide details of the upgraded engine or its capabilities.

“Perhaps what he is referring to is the 117S engine, which is an advanced version of the AL-31F engine,” said Deba R. Mohanty, senior fellow in security studies at Observer Research Foundation.

India may learn very little about design from the stealth jet projects as most of the work has already been completed, Mohanty said.

“When we are talking about joint development, three areas are important—upgraded avionics, composite material related to stealth technology and the engine, which could have helped our own Kaveri engine programme,” he said. “I don’t think India is going to get much in design knowledge, maybe more in the production stage. I wish India could have joined earlier.”

Timelines for the delivery of the fifth-generation aircraft to the air force will become clear once the programme moves from prototype to production, Browne said.

“By 2017-2018, we expect the first aircraft to come to us,” he said. “The aircraft is still under prototype testing. So, once the prototype is over and it gets into the production phase, then we will be sure of the timelines.”
史上最强三代半
相对合理;
基础设计不知会否大改。

绿林奸汉 发表于 2011-9-26 07:47
相对合理;
基础设计不知会否大改。


按照空军司令的意思是大量的改动........现在FGFA正在进行初步设计......T-50正在进行飞行品质试飞的关键阶段, 按照试飞的结果,做一些修改是有可能的。


至于发动机印证了AL-41F的总师的专访: 有两型发动机117和type 30........看来这个type 30是有装机对象的了。
绿林奸汉 发表于 2011-9-26 07:47
相对合理;
基础设计不知会否大改。


按照空军司令的意思是大量的改动........现在FGFA正在进行初步设计......T-50正在进行飞行品质试飞的关键阶段, 按照试飞的结果,做一些修改是有可能的。


至于发动机印证了AL-41F的总师的专访: 有两型发动机117和type 30........看来这个type 30是有装机对象的了。


FAGA双座,发动机推力不大会重演MKI的悲剧

FAGA双座,发动机推力不大会重演MKI的悲剧
毛子又拿A3当小白鼠,在T50的基础上改进FAGA,在FAGA的基础上改进毛子的真四代机,T50彻底沦为出口猴版机
原来不是说TYPE30已经装机了么。。。。。。
莫非搞来搞去——TYPE30相对129是三哥专用猴版?就好像117C外卖,117A自用?

话说三哥这么搞,又开始不要进度了
印度的老毛病又发作了,真是死不悔改啊。
本帖最后由 veritas 于 2011-9-26 08:08 编辑


FAGA双座,发动机推力不大会重演MKI的悲剧
bizhu886 发表于 2011-9-26 08:11
毛子又拿A3当小白鼠,在T50的基础上改进FAGA,在FAGA的基础上改进毛子的真四代机,T50彻底沦为出口猴版机
大锅, T-50是自用版.....FGFA是印度版........FGFA是出口版。 [:a9:]
machineussr 发表于 2011-9-26 08:16
原来不是说TYPE30已经装机了么。。。。。。
莫非搞来搞去——TYPE30相对129是三哥专用猴版?就好像117C外卖 ...
117C 是纯粹出口版.......117是自用,T-50第一阶段。


type 30就像你说的, 很有可能成为印度的FGFA版鸟.....


129要到2015年才出现....
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-9-26 08:32
117C 是纯粹出口版.......117是自用,T-50第一阶段。
我现在就关心这个所谓TYPE30的来源。。。。。。如果最终还是来自AL-31——117这条路线,三哥就真做冤大头了
FAGA上应用的技术水平无论如何也超不过PAK FA,拿给竞争后者落选供应商当安慰奖的可能性更大;或当作验证不成熟技术的小白鼠也不错,等成功后再转为俄军自用。

运用更多复材的另一个原因可能是双座型得减重。
大陆 发表于 2011-9-26 08:28
本帖最后由 veritas 于 2011-9-26 08:08 编辑
MKI倒不算悲剧,尤其印度并无替代机型;
当然,要按印度一贯的宏愿,世界最先进,那是注定不可能。
天策府属 发表于 2011-9-26 08:48
FAGA上应用的技术水平无论如何也超不过PAK FA,拿给竞争后者落选供应商当安慰奖的可能性更大;或当作验证不 ...
既然客户是印度,运用更多复材的原因,还要考虑时髦。
三锅又开始改需求了
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-9-26 08:32
117C 是纯粹出口版.......117是自用,T-50第一阶段。
按照毛子急着推销T50和石油价格大跌,129估计15年见不到身影,毛子缺钱缺技术不是一两年了
rainy_heart79 发表于 2011-9-26 07:46
史上最强三代半
这个还是将来留给沈霍依吧
bizhu886 发表于 2011-9-26 09:01
按照毛子急着推销T50和石油价格大跌,129估计15年见不到身影,毛子缺钱缺技术不是一两年了
崩溃........跑题了。  宏观经济问题不是本帖讨论的问题, 也没有那个能力讨论。


又抽风了,东西还没出来就改要求,这是三哥这么多年来的杯具之源

居然还不接受教训?!
machineussr 发表于 2011-9-26 08:44
我现在就关心这个所谓TYPE30的来源。。。。。。如果最终还是来自AL-31——117这条路线,三哥就真做冤大头 ...
117 已经是31F系改进的极限了。  增推,增寿减重..........


Type 30要实现主要设计指标超过117的15%-25%,  31系的改进是做不到的。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-9-26 07:56
按照空军司令的意思是大量的改动........现在FGFA正在进行初步设计......T-50正在进行飞行品质试飞的关 ...
30花动机看来是三哥版的可能性极大,129莫非毛子不想出国际版
既然客户是印度,运用更多复材的原因,还要考虑时髦。
可笑的是,文中那个专家哀叹印度加入T-50项目太迟,没学到什么东西。事实上加入得再早也没用,理论基础和工业基础差距太大,如同五岁小孩学不了车:得先把四肢长长再说。更何况T-50关系到俄国战斗机工业未来的存亡,根本不可能对一个和各国军工都打得火热的国家进行实质意义上的技术转让。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-9-26 09:08
117 已经是31F系改进的极限了。  增推,增寿减重..........
这就是搞不清楚的一件事情,毛委员要加油啊。
既然117是上一代的极限,129是未来的希望,中间这个TYPE30研发的意义何在。
手掌一翻就出一个新核心机,毛委员也不会信吧。
天策府属 发表于 2011-9-26 08:48
FAGA上应用的技术水平无论如何也超不过PAK FA,拿给竞争后者落选供应商当安慰奖的可能性更大;或当作验证不 ...
复合材料航空应用印度还是有点心得的,  这个要一分为二来看嘛.......

FGFA也是印度航电,复材自身进步的一个媒介。   借助外力提升。
绿林奸汉 发表于 2011-9-26 08:54
MKI倒不算悲剧,尤其印度并无替代机型;
当然,要按印度一贯的宏愿,世界最先进,那是注定不可能。
MKI现在看来倒是很成功的项目..........不得不说。
涡轮 发表于 2011-9-26 09:09
30花动机看来是三哥版的可能性极大,129莫非毛子不想出国际版
129赶不上进度吧。  印度版的交付是2017-2018年。  


129假设在2015年出现, 国家验收试验得好几年吧。
machineussr 发表于 2011-9-26 09:14
这就是搞不清楚的一件事情,毛委员要加油啊。
既然117是上一代的极限,129是未来的希望,中间这个TYPE30 ...
大锅,想象一下子


要了解萨留特的99M3-2啊...........3-6-1-1结构的家伙,  子系统已经在M2,M3测试过了(2007年上的台架测试......现在萨留特已经被UEC收编鸟.......)


子系统是很成熟的东东鸟。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-9-26 09:15
MKI现在看来倒是很成功的项目..........不得不说。
毛子拿A3当小白兔,苏30MKI性能不错,毛子也装备40多架,性能不好,全当实验
小白兔的肚30MKK也是这样,毛子看它性能不错,就拿它的技术搞出苏27SM
对于小巴还是有压力的
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-9-26 09:18
大锅,想象一下子
我脑子里是有99M-3-2这个东西——但是你看楼上的话。
a more powerful engine than the one fitted right now.


你原来说过现在装机的就是TYPE30吧。。。。可这个报道又是和原来的猜测矛盾的。
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1180255-1-1.html
如果30已经装机了,那么三哥要的可能就是129
如果要的是30,那么30还没装机。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-9-26 09:15
MKI现在看来倒是很成功的项目..........不得不说。
从印度军方到民间对Su-30MKI项目评价极高,事实上Su-30MKI是印度空军目前最好最管用的东西,而且事故也少。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-9-26 09:08
117 已经是31F系改进的极限了。  增推,增寿减重..........
如果是新的设计,核心机是什么
新的东东几年就能出来?
印度A3的要求还挺高,看来是真多J20提出的这些要求
machineussr 发表于 2011-9-26 09:25
我脑子里是有99M-3-2这个东西——但是你看楼上的话。
chopin是说type30装机测试过,并没有说一直就装在T-50上面。
JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-9-26 09:16
129赶不上进度吧。  印度版的交付是2017-2018年。  
相比花动机,偶还是更关心T50在隐形方面的改进
航电的话三哥肯定对毛子不满意的,满意的话就不会在MKI上用到西方的东西了。复合材料上目前T50的25%确实不高,至少有10%的提升空间
涡轮 发表于 2011-9-26 09:44
相比花动机,偶还是更关心T50在隐形方面的改进
嗯, 这么说吧, T-50-1是主要飞行品质试飞, 包括high AOA,  失速机动等


T-50-2  部分航电+飞行品质试飞(目前看来不包含 high AOA试飞项目)



T-50-3或T-50-4的的飞机更多是航电系统试飞项目, 也有可能参加低探测项目的试飞。

到了低探测项目试飞的JJ才看得出吧.

到时候看看有哪些改进吧。 :handshake
涡轮 发表于 2011-9-26 09:47
航电的话三哥肯定对毛子不满意的,满意的话就不会在MKI上用到西方的东西了。复合材料上目前T50的25%确实不高 ...
MKI上用了法国的导航设备以及以色列一点东西...........整合的不错。


复合材料比例肯定还会上升,  空军司令着重强调了。
dkeing 发表于 2011-9-26 09:32
如果是新的设计,核心机是什么
新的东东几年就能出来?
介个,等一段时间看具体的信息吧。 现在说不清楚鸟。 :handshake