印度打算增加FGFA的复合材料使用量!!

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从文章里面可以看到T50的垂尾与平尾都还是金属制造的,啊三打算换复合材料。

The Indian version of an Indo-Russian fifth-generation fighter plane is going to be lighter weight, more powerful and less visible to enemy radars that the original Russian version, according to a senior executive at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

Under a joint project with Russia to build a fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) India will modify and customise the prototype Russia has developed independently.

“While the Russian version of the FGFA is all-metal, ours will have wings and empennage (vertical and horizontal stabilisers) made of composite materials,” said S. Subrahmanyan, Managing Director of MiG Complex at HAL.

“The use of composites will reduce the plane’s weight and give it lower signature. Our version will also have more advanced Indian-made avionics,” Mr. Subrahmanyan told The Hindu at the Moscow Air Show-2013. He is leading a HAL delegation to the biannual air show being held this year from August 27 to September 1.

“Thanks to these improvements we will get a better and more powerful platform,” Mr. Subrahmanyan said.

The FGFA is going to be India’s biggest and most ambitious defence project and the largest joint venture with Russia. Earlier this year the two sides completed the preliminary design of the FGFA and are now negotiating a detailed design contract. Mr. Subrahmanyan said he hopes the contract could be signed before the end of the current year.

Four Russian prototypes of the fifth-generation fighter, codenamed T-50 or PAK-FA, have performed more than 200 test flights since January 2010. The Russian Air Force plans to begin inducting the plane in 2015.

HAL is to get three Russian prototypes for re-design and testing in 2015, 2016 and 2017, and will hand over the first series produced aircraft to the IAF in 2019, Mr. Subrahmanyan said.

The FGFA project will take the Indian expertise in aviation technologies to a much higher level.

“We’ve moved from license production and technology transfer to co-design and co-development,” Mr. Subrahmanyan said. He pointed out that India supplies avionics for Su-30 Russia is building for Malaysia and Indonesia.

“Co-design offers far greater scope for knowledge sharing compared with license production. In co-design projects all Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) are jointly held by parties involved,” Mr. Subrahmanyan added.

India is currently working on two co-design defence projects with Russia – the FGFA and the Multi-role Transport Aircraft, which is already in detailed design stage.
从文章里面可以看到T50的垂尾与平尾都还是金属制造的,啊三打算换复合材料。

The Indian version of an Indo-Russian fifth-generation fighter plane is going to be lighter weight, more powerful and less visible to enemy radars that the original Russian version, according to a senior executive at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

Under a joint project with Russia to build a fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) India will modify and customise the prototype Russia has developed independently.

“While the Russian version of the FGFA is all-metal, ours will have wings and empennage (vertical and horizontal stabilisers) made of composite materials,” said S. Subrahmanyan, Managing Director of MiG Complex at HAL.

“The use of composites will reduce the plane’s weight and give it lower signature. Our version will also have more advanced Indian-made avionics,” Mr. Subrahmanyan told The Hindu at the Moscow Air Show-2013. He is leading a HAL delegation to the biannual air show being held this year from August 27 to September 1.

“Thanks to these improvements we will get a better and more powerful platform,” Mr. Subrahmanyan said.

The FGFA is going to be India’s biggest and most ambitious defence project and the largest joint venture with Russia. Earlier this year the two sides completed the preliminary design of the FGFA and are now negotiating a detailed design contract. Mr. Subrahmanyan said he hopes the contract could be signed before the end of the current year.

Four Russian prototypes of the fifth-generation fighter, codenamed T-50 or PAK-FA, have performed more than 200 test flights since January 2010. The Russian Air Force plans to begin inducting the plane in 2015.

HAL is to get three Russian prototypes for re-design and testing in 2015, 2016 and 2017, and will hand over the first series produced aircraft to the IAF in 2019, Mr. Subrahmanyan said.

The FGFA project will take the Indian expertise in aviation technologies to a much higher level.

“We’ve moved from license production and technology transfer to co-design and co-development,” Mr. Subrahmanyan said. He pointed out that India supplies avionics for Su-30 Russia is building for Malaysia and Indonesia.

“Co-design offers far greater scope for knowledge sharing compared with license production. In co-design projects all Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) are jointly held by parties involved,” Mr. Subrahmanyan added.

India is currently working on two co-design defence projects with Russia – the FGFA and the Multi-role Transport Aircraft, which is already in detailed design stage.
印度也在进步啊,虽然比较慢。


网上传闻三哥对T50的隐身性能有些怨言,而且现在的战斗机尾翼也大多用复合材料,所以要求加大复合材料使用率是可以理解的,其实前机身段也有很大一块是可以用复合材料的。

网上传闻三哥对T50的隐身性能有些怨言,而且现在的战斗机尾翼也大多用复合材料,所以要求加大复合材料使用率是可以理解的,其实前机身段也有很大一块是可以用复合材料的。
阿三啊。。。这样不会重心改变?
复材不是你想用,想用就能用,LCA超重两成他惹黑多祸
配重会有问题不
三哥加油,我看好你哟
威名远震的HAL,我和我的小伙伴们都........
lighter weight, more powerful and less visible
加复合材料就能改善隐身性能了?
又要花钱啦
   三哥加油。
chong2618 发表于 2013-8-31 11:28
加复合材料就能改善隐身性能了?
尾翼换成复合材料你说会不会影响RCS?
没有关系,只要阿三愿意出钱,就是造个全复合材料的鹅毛也愿意
三哥也准备为了用复合材料而用复合材料??
T50只有25%的复合材料三哥表示俺的LCA都超过40%了
胡杨胖子 发表于 2013-8-31 12:15
尾翼换成复合材料你说会不会影响RCS?
就那点影响?要这么说的话三哥的LCA的隐身性能比20都强
三哥总是神马强大来神马,从来不考虑合不合适
chong2618 发表于 2013-8-31 14:17
就那点影响?要这么说的话三哥的LCA的隐身性能比20都强
影响大不大,看侧卫与双风的RCS对比。接近20与接近1,如果你认为这不算大,那就没什么好说的。三哥见识过阵风,隐身可没那么好忽悠。
只要三锅出钱,毛毛熊咋改都乐意
胡杨胖子 发表于 2013-8-31 14:21
影响大不大,看侧卫与双风的RCS对比。接近20与接近1,如果你认为这不算大,那就没什么好说的。三哥见识过 ...
我承认有影响,但是相对以外形的影响来说就了了了,你拿侧卫跟双风比...先看看大小好吧
chong2618 发表于 2013-8-31 14:31
我承认有影响,但是相对以外形的影响来说就了了了,你拿侧卫跟双风比...先看看大小好吧
大小相差1个数量级?
它敢用,飞飞敢飞吗。
胡杨胖子 发表于 2013-8-31 14:35
大小相差1个数量级?
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1705965-1-1.html
三锅真的是奇葩。
知道自己做不了手机里面的液晶屏、主板、芯片、电池等,仅仅能做个外壳,所以为了让世界觉得自己很牛X,于是不时的宣称:这个手机壳的复合材料使用比例世界第一!并且我们强大的科研团队还会继续努力把比例再进一步提高!



碳纤维不是透波材料还用说?不过再怎样也比直接用金属强,金属对于雷达波简直就是一面镜子。毛媒报道的T50大量使用碳纤维RCS比侧卫下降20倍,只是没想到尾翼居然还是金属的。三代机大多用复合材料尾翼,有几个像侧卫系列10几平的RCS?
chong2618 发表于 2013-8-31 15:57
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1705965-1-1.html


碳纤维不是透波材料还用说?不过再怎样也比直接用金属强,金属对于雷达波简直就是一面镜子。毛媒报道的T50大量使用碳纤维RCS比侧卫下降20倍,只是没想到尾翼居然还是金属的。三代机大多用复合材料尾翼,有几个像侧卫系列10几平的RCS?
盲目增加复合材料比例 = LCA二代目
wddlmc 发表于 2013-8-31 18:20
盲目增加复合材料比例 = LCA二代目

三代机大多用复合材料尾翼,三哥这个要求真不算高。别把三哥逼得去买肥电{:soso_e113:}
胡杨胖子 发表于 2013-8-31 18:26
三代机大多用复合材料尾翼,三哥这个要求真不算高。别把三哥逼得去买肥电
”While the Russian version of the FGFA is all-metal, ours will have wings and empennage (vertical and horizontal stabilisers) made of composite materials“

不只尾翼哦~~A3野心很大很大的
三哥对50的RCS都不满意
wddlmc 发表于 2013-8-31 18:31
”While the Russian version of the FGFA is all-metal, ours will have wings and empennage (vertical ...
平尾、垂尾、边条,甚至前机身的一部分主流三代机确实大量使用复合材料,三哥这要求也不算过于离谱。
三哥真心是为了使用复合材料而使用,隐形飞机比起透波材质,对反射的电磁波的控制更加重要,就像F22,就算谁脑抽使用铁做一个,隐形都是刚刚的,单纯注重使用透波材质,无疑是走在歧途上
嗯,小白,目前T50的复合材料用量占重量的25%,占表面积的70%。嗯,你的奇葩文章哪里转来的、三哥和你是想提高到占重量的40%,占表面积的100%吗?理解的不能

胡杨胖子 发表于 2013-8-31 18:41
平尾、垂尾、边条,甚至前机身的一部分主流三代机确实大量使用复合材料,三哥这要求也不算过于离谱。


LZ引用文章里说他们想将自己版本T50的机翼,垂尾和平尾都采用复合材料。而目前俄罗斯的都是金属材料——如果这样修改的话,估计不是一时半会儿能改的过来的,而俄罗斯自己并不需要采用这么高比例的符合材料,最后多半又是一拖再拖。

话说娘娘的符合材料占用比例也不是很大啊,大部分都采用钛合金。
胡杨胖子 发表于 2013-8-31 18:41
平尾、垂尾、边条,甚至前机身的一部分主流三代机确实大量使用复合材料,三哥这要求也不算过于离谱。


LZ引用文章里说他们想将自己版本T50的机翼,垂尾和平尾都采用复合材料。而目前俄罗斯的都是金属材料——如果这样修改的话,估计不是一时半会儿能改的过来的,而俄罗斯自己并不需要采用这么高比例的符合材料,最后多半又是一拖再拖。

话说娘娘的符合材料占用比例也不是很大啊,大部分都采用钛合金。
wddlmc 发表于 2013-8-31 18:48
LZ引用文章里说他们想将自己版本T50的机翼,垂尾和平尾都采用复合材料。而目前俄罗斯的都是金属材料— ...

也不算很低,双马复合材料蒙皮,RTM正弦波腹梁板(中间梁和后梁),平尾,垂尾,中机身的舱门,前机身门,油箱等。复合材料使用率是按重量来算的,而不是按体积。
胡杨胖子 发表于 2013-8-31 18:54
也不算很低,双马复合材料蒙皮,RTM正弦波腹梁板(中间梁和后梁),平尾,垂尾,中机身的舱门,前机身门 ...
目前T50的复合材料用量占重量的25%,占表面积的70% F22按重量算是24%,看看,你真么黑。除非,你拿F35说事,它占到重量的35%。当然,如果三哥和你对超音速性能要求不高的话。

慢速开始 发表于 2013-8-31 19:12
目前T50的复合材料用量占重量的25%,占表面积的70% F22按重量算是24%,看看,你真么黑。除非,你拿F35说 ...


真不知道大毛的复合材料怎么使用,现在甚至主流三代机也是全复合材料尾翼,T50 25%的复合材料居然还金属尾翼,实在是个奇葩。我黑不黑有啥打紧,关键三哥满不满意,人家可是客户,找MD买肥电也不是没有可能的。
慢速开始 发表于 2013-8-31 19:12
目前T50的复合材料用量占重量的25%,占表面积的70% F22按重量算是24%,看看,你真么黑。除非,你拿F35说 ...


真不知道大毛的复合材料怎么使用,现在甚至主流三代机也是全复合材料尾翼,T50 25%的复合材料居然还金属尾翼,实在是个奇葩。我黑不黑有啥打紧,关键三哥满不满意,人家可是客户,找MD买肥电也不是没有可能的。

胡杨胖子 发表于 2013-8-31 19:15
真不知道大毛的复合材料怎么使用,现在甚至主流三代机也是全复合材料尾翼,T50 25%的复合材料居然还金 ...


这个,你要把楼主转的某记者转某三哥官员的话,当真,那也就没办法了。三哥的原来意思大概是要全复合材料由蒙皮到肋骨尾翼吧,我大胆推测下某三哥官员的原意。
胡杨胖子 发表于 2013-8-31 19:15
真不知道大毛的复合材料怎么使用,现在甚至主流三代机也是全复合材料尾翼,T50 25%的复合材料居然还金 ...


这个,你要把楼主转的某记者转某三哥官员的话,当真,那也就没办法了。三哥的原来意思大概是要全复合材料由蒙皮到肋骨尾翼吧,我大胆推测下某三哥官员的原意。
慢速开始 发表于 2013-8-31 19:20
这个,你要把楼主转的某记者转某三哥官员的话,当真,那也就没办法了。三哥的原来意思大概是要全复合材料 ...
那个怕是从三哥那转回来的吧,T50金属尾翼怕是也只有合作伙伴才知道的吧。