华尔街日报:将无新F-16售台以及其旧有F-16升级计划定案 ...

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重点:升级计划需要十年完成,第一批升级完成的飞机会在六年后交付。2017年的时候,J-10B已经满天飞了,J-20已经要进入服役阶段了,2011年J-20已经满天飞了,这升级案被这个时程一拖,就淡化咯

Plan on No New F-16s for Taiwan Formalized

http://tinyurl.com/3hls3lu

By NATHAN HODGE

WASHINGTON—The Obama administration has formally notified Congress that it plans to upgrade Taiwan's existing fleet of F-16 fighter jets, infuriating U.S. lawmakers who prefer to sell new fighters to Taiwan and drawing a protest from Beijing.

奥巴马当局已就其升级台湾既有F-16喷气战斗机队的计划正式知会国会,此举使得主张售予台湾新战斗机的那些美国议员们震怒,同时也为北京所抗议。

The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, which oversees foreign military sales, said it told Congress of plans to retrofit Taiwan's F-16s and equip them with an advanced radar system.

主管对外军售的国防安全合作局声称它此前已就翻新台湾F-16以及为其装配先进雷达系统的计划通知国会。

The proposed arms sale, the agency said, would support Taiwan's "continuing efforts to modernize its armed forces and enhance its defensive capability."

该机构称,此项军购将为台湾一直以来所坚持的军备现代化和防御能力强化的努力提供支持。

The decision was announced Wednesday in a statement on the agency's website. Administration officials held a classified briefing for key lawmakers last week, before the decision was official.

该机构周三在其网站上宣布了这一决定。在方案定案之前,官员们上周就此向一些重量级议员们做了秘密简报。

The notification sets in motion a deal worth a potential $5.3 billion to upgrade 145 Taiwanese F-16 A/B jets. The package also includes an array of weaponry, including Joint Direct Attack Munition smart bomb kits, targeting systems and air-to-air missiles.

......53亿美元的升级案涵盖升级145架台湾F-16A/B,也包含了一系列的武器,比如JDAM联合直接攻击弹药的智能炸弹改装套件,瞄准系统和空对空导弹。

Separately, the agency notified Congress of a proposal to train Taiwanese fighter pilots in the U.S., a package worth a potential $500 million.

......在美国国内训练台湾战斗机飞行员的培训计划价值5亿美元。

The announcement follows weeks of speculation that the Obama administration would propose such an upgrade package for Taiwan's air force, instead of selling brand-new F-16 C/D aircraft originally sought by Taipei.

此声明证实了数周的猜测:奥巴马当局将会以此类升级案售台而非售予台湾其孜孜以求的全新F-16C/D。

A senior administration official speaking with reporters held open the possibility of new aircraft sales at an unspecified later date.

一位高级官员向记者透露说,今后出售新战机的可能性仍然存在。

"No decisions have been made on selling new F-16 C/D aircraft at this time," the official said. "It is still in consideration and we are aware of Taiwan's requests in this regard."

“我们还未就新F-16C/D出售与否做出决断”, 这位官员说, “仍然在考虑中,我们了解台湾的要求。”

The retrofit package, the official added, "will provide a substantial increase in the survivability, the reliability and the combat capabilities and effectiveness of Taiwan's 145 F-16 As and Bs."

这位官员还称此项翻新计划将对台湾F-16的生存力,可靠性,有效性和战斗力作一个重大的提升。

U.S. lawmakers have expressed concern that the upgrade package would not be adequate for modernizing Taiwan's air defenses and fear that the military balance across the Taiwan Straits has tipped too far in China's favor.

美国议员们对这项升级案能否足够的对台湾空军实现现代化表示了担忧,也担心台海两岸军力对比已经极度偏向于大陆的态势。

In a statement, Sen. John Cornyn (R., Texas), called the proposed arms sale a "capitulation" to Beijing.

德州的共和党参议员John Cornyn在一项声明中称此项军售动议是向北京屈服。(注:F-16的工厂在德州)

"Taiwan must have the tools to defend itself against potential Chinese aggression, and this decision not to sell Taiwan new F-16C/Ds represents a failure by the administration to live up to its obligations under the Taiwan Relations Act," he said.

“台湾必须有办法抵御潜在的中国侵略,这项不出售新F-16的决定表明美国当局没有履行与台湾关系法的义务”, 他说。

Sens. Cornyn and Robert Menendez (D., N.J.) recently introduced a bill that would require the Obama administration to sell Taiwan 66 new F-16C/D multi-role fighter jets, which are made by Lockheed Martin Corp. On Wednesday, Rep. Kay Granger (R., Texas) introduced matching legislation in the House.

Cornyn参议员和新泽西州民主党议员Robert Menendez最近草拟了一个法案旨在要求奥巴马当局必须售予台湾66架新洛马公司F-16C/D。在周三,德州(又是德州)共和党众议员Kay Granger则在众议院以类似法案遥相呼应。

Rupert Hammond-Chambers, president of the U.S.-Taiwan Business Council, said in a statement the upgrade program could lead to a shortfall in Taiwan's fighter strength.

美台商会主席韩儒柏称(不包含售予新机的)升级案可能带来台湾空军能力的不足。

"The upgrade program is comprehensive, but spans almost 10 years with the first upgraded A/B coming as late as the 6th year of the program," he said. "If the Obama Administration were to accept a letter of request for 66 F-16 C/Ds now, the entire tranche of new fighters could be delivered before Taiwan receives any of its upgraded F-16 A/Bs."

升级项目涵盖周全,但是需要几乎10年时间来完成,第一批完成升级的飞机交付将会在项目进行六年后才姗姗来迟,如果奥巴马当局如果愿意现在就接受66架F-16C/D的申购书, 那么新机交付就能在旧战机升级之前完成。“

U.S. arms sales to Taiwan are a sensitive point in U.S.-China relations, but several Chinese experts on Taiwan and China-U.S. relations have predicted that Beijing's response will be more measured than last year, when another U.S. arms package for Taiwan prompted it to cut off military dialogue with Washington for 12 months.

美国对台军售是中美关系中的敏感部分。但是数位中国的中美关系和台湾问题专家预测中国的反应将会比去年更加审慎,去年中国曾为对台军售而中断了12个月的中美军事交流。

China's Foreign Ministry said in a statement on its website that Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Zhijun had summoned the new U.S. ambassador to China, Gary Locke, to lodge a "strong" formal protest after the announcement. The Chinese Ambassador to the U.S., Zhang Yesui, made a similar protest in Washington, it said.

中国外交部在其网站的声明中宣称外交部副部长张志军召见了美国新任驻华大使骆家辉表达了强烈正式抗议。中国驻美大使也向华盛顿表达了类似抗议。

"The Chinese government and people express their strong indignation at this," the statement said.

声明说“中国政府和人民表达了强烈的愤怒” 。。。。。。(后面也是一些类似的套话废话)

"The erroneous acts of the United States will inevitably cause damage to China-US relations, and to the two countries' exchanges and cooperation in areas such as military affairs and security. The responsibility is entirely on the U.S. side."

The U.S. Embassy in Beijing confirmed that Ambassador Locke was summoned by the Chinese Foreign Ministry, but declined to provide further details.

In addition, Guan Youfei, deputy chief of the foreign affairs office in China's Defense Ministry, was instructed Thursday to summon the acting U.S. military attache to China to protest the U.S. decision, the state-run Xinhua news agency reported.

Xinhua news said in a commentary published before the announcement that the deal would "inevitably" damage U.S.-Chinese ties.

Last week, administration officials briefed U.S. legislative staff on the upgrade plan, part of a consultative process that precedes formal notification of a sale. Once Congress is officially notified of a potential arms sale, it typically has 30 days to act to block the deal.

上周,政府官员向议员们简介了升级计划,这是正式通知销售案前所需的磋商流程的一个步骤。国会正式获得可能军售案的通知后,通常有30天时间可以阻止交易。

Jennifer Berlin, a spokeswoman for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the proposal would be studied by the committee.

美国参议院外交委员会发言人Jennifer Berlin说,委员会将对提案进行研究。

"Now that Congress has been formally notified of the offer to upgrade Taiwan's fleet of F-16s, the committee will do its customary due diligence to make sure that the outcome is in the best interest of our national security," she said.

她说,现在国会已经得到台湾F-16机升级案的正式通知,那么委员会将循例尽责确保此案符合美国国家安全的最大利益。

重点:升级计划需要十年完成,第一批升级完成的飞机会在六年后交付。2017年的时候,J-10B已经满天飞了,J-20已经要进入服役阶段了,2011年J-20已经满天飞了,这升级案被这个时程一拖,就淡化咯

Plan on No New F-16s for Taiwan Formalized

http://tinyurl.com/3hls3lu

By NATHAN HODGE

WASHINGTON—The Obama administration has formally notified Congress that it plans to upgrade Taiwan's existing fleet of F-16 fighter jets, infuriating U.S. lawmakers who prefer to sell new fighters to Taiwan and drawing a protest from Beijing.

奥巴马当局已就其升级台湾既有F-16喷气战斗机队的计划正式知会国会,此举使得主张售予台湾新战斗机的那些美国议员们震怒,同时也为北京所抗议。

The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, which oversees foreign military sales, said it told Congress of plans to retrofit Taiwan's F-16s and equip them with an advanced radar system.

主管对外军售的国防安全合作局声称它此前已就翻新台湾F-16以及为其装配先进雷达系统的计划通知国会。

The proposed arms sale, the agency said, would support Taiwan's "continuing efforts to modernize its armed forces and enhance its defensive capability."

该机构称,此项军购将为台湾一直以来所坚持的军备现代化和防御能力强化的努力提供支持。

The decision was announced Wednesday in a statement on the agency's website. Administration officials held a classified briefing for key lawmakers last week, before the decision was official.

该机构周三在其网站上宣布了这一决定。在方案定案之前,官员们上周就此向一些重量级议员们做了秘密简报。

The notification sets in motion a deal worth a potential $5.3 billion to upgrade 145 Taiwanese F-16 A/B jets. The package also includes an array of weaponry, including Joint Direct Attack Munition smart bomb kits, targeting systems and air-to-air missiles.

......53亿美元的升级案涵盖升级145架台湾F-16A/B,也包含了一系列的武器,比如JDAM联合直接攻击弹药的智能炸弹改装套件,瞄准系统和空对空导弹。

Separately, the agency notified Congress of a proposal to train Taiwanese fighter pilots in the U.S., a package worth a potential $500 million.

......在美国国内训练台湾战斗机飞行员的培训计划价值5亿美元。

The announcement follows weeks of speculation that the Obama administration would propose such an upgrade package for Taiwan's air force, instead of selling brand-new F-16 C/D aircraft originally sought by Taipei.

此声明证实了数周的猜测:奥巴马当局将会以此类升级案售台而非售予台湾其孜孜以求的全新F-16C/D。

A senior administration official speaking with reporters held open the possibility of new aircraft sales at an unspecified later date.

一位高级官员向记者透露说,今后出售新战机的可能性仍然存在。

"No decisions have been made on selling new F-16 C/D aircraft at this time," the official said. "It is still in consideration and we are aware of Taiwan's requests in this regard."

“我们还未就新F-16C/D出售与否做出决断”, 这位官员说, “仍然在考虑中,我们了解台湾的要求。”

The retrofit package, the official added, "will provide a substantial increase in the survivability, the reliability and the combat capabilities and effectiveness of Taiwan's 145 F-16 As and Bs."

这位官员还称此项翻新计划将对台湾F-16的生存力,可靠性,有效性和战斗力作一个重大的提升。

U.S. lawmakers have expressed concern that the upgrade package would not be adequate for modernizing Taiwan's air defenses and fear that the military balance across the Taiwan Straits has tipped too far in China's favor.

美国议员们对这项升级案能否足够的对台湾空军实现现代化表示了担忧,也担心台海两岸军力对比已经极度偏向于大陆的态势。

In a statement, Sen. John Cornyn (R., Texas), called the proposed arms sale a "capitulation" to Beijing.

德州的共和党参议员John Cornyn在一项声明中称此项军售动议是向北京屈服。(注:F-16的工厂在德州)

"Taiwan must have the tools to defend itself against potential Chinese aggression, and this decision not to sell Taiwan new F-16C/Ds represents a failure by the administration to live up to its obligations under the Taiwan Relations Act," he said.

“台湾必须有办法抵御潜在的中国侵略,这项不出售新F-16的决定表明美国当局没有履行与台湾关系法的义务”, 他说。

Sens. Cornyn and Robert Menendez (D., N.J.) recently introduced a bill that would require the Obama administration to sell Taiwan 66 new F-16C/D multi-role fighter jets, which are made by Lockheed Martin Corp. On Wednesday, Rep. Kay Granger (R., Texas) introduced matching legislation in the House.

Cornyn参议员和新泽西州民主党议员Robert Menendez最近草拟了一个法案旨在要求奥巴马当局必须售予台湾66架新洛马公司F-16C/D。在周三,德州(又是德州)共和党众议员Kay Granger则在众议院以类似法案遥相呼应。

Rupert Hammond-Chambers, president of the U.S.-Taiwan Business Council, said in a statement the upgrade program could lead to a shortfall in Taiwan's fighter strength.

美台商会主席韩儒柏称(不包含售予新机的)升级案可能带来台湾空军能力的不足。

"The upgrade program is comprehensive, but spans almost 10 years with the first upgraded A/B coming as late as the 6th year of the program," he said. "If the Obama Administration were to accept a letter of request for 66 F-16 C/Ds now, the entire tranche of new fighters could be delivered before Taiwan receives any of its upgraded F-16 A/Bs."

升级项目涵盖周全,但是需要几乎10年时间来完成,第一批完成升级的飞机交付将会在项目进行六年后才姗姗来迟,如果奥巴马当局如果愿意现在就接受66架F-16C/D的申购书, 那么新机交付就能在旧战机升级之前完成。“

U.S. arms sales to Taiwan are a sensitive point in U.S.-China relations, but several Chinese experts on Taiwan and China-U.S. relations have predicted that Beijing's response will be more measured than last year, when another U.S. arms package for Taiwan prompted it to cut off military dialogue with Washington for 12 months.

美国对台军售是中美关系中的敏感部分。但是数位中国的中美关系和台湾问题专家预测中国的反应将会比去年更加审慎,去年中国曾为对台军售而中断了12个月的中美军事交流。

China's Foreign Ministry said in a statement on its website that Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Zhijun had summoned the new U.S. ambassador to China, Gary Locke, to lodge a "strong" formal protest after the announcement. The Chinese Ambassador to the U.S., Zhang Yesui, made a similar protest in Washington, it said.

中国外交部在其网站的声明中宣称外交部副部长张志军召见了美国新任驻华大使骆家辉表达了强烈正式抗议。中国驻美大使也向华盛顿表达了类似抗议。

"The Chinese government and people express their strong indignation at this," the statement said.

声明说“中国政府和人民表达了强烈的愤怒” 。。。。。。(后面也是一些类似的套话废话)

"The erroneous acts of the United States will inevitably cause damage to China-US relations, and to the two countries' exchanges and cooperation in areas such as military affairs and security. The responsibility is entirely on the U.S. side."

The U.S. Embassy in Beijing confirmed that Ambassador Locke was summoned by the Chinese Foreign Ministry, but declined to provide further details.

In addition, Guan Youfei, deputy chief of the foreign affairs office in China's Defense Ministry, was instructed Thursday to summon the acting U.S. military attache to China to protest the U.S. decision, the state-run Xinhua news agency reported.

Xinhua news said in a commentary published before the announcement that the deal would "inevitably" damage U.S.-Chinese ties.

Last week, administration officials briefed U.S. legislative staff on the upgrade plan, part of a consultative process that precedes formal notification of a sale. Once Congress is officially notified of a potential arms sale, it typically has 30 days to act to block the deal.

上周,政府官员向议员们简介了升级计划,这是正式通知销售案前所需的磋商流程的一个步骤。国会正式获得可能军售案的通知后,通常有30天时间可以阻止交易。

Jennifer Berlin, a spokeswoman for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the proposal would be studied by the committee.

美国参议院外交委员会发言人Jennifer Berlin说,委员会将对提案进行研究。

"Now that Congress has been formally notified of the offer to upgrade Taiwan's fleet of F-16s, the committee will do its customary due diligence to make sure that the outcome is in the best interest of our national security," she said.

她说,现在国会已经得到台湾F-16机升级案的正式通知,那么委员会将循例尽责确保此案符合美国国家安全的最大利益。
所以说呢,讨论双方力量对比的时候要以正确的时间轴来看待
2011年全面改造完成的F-16A/B机队,机身寿命所剩无几,而中国的J-20已经全面成军
J-10B已经入役10年,MLU应该都做过了
这谁强谁弱还不是明摆着的
YellowManaMage 发表于 2011-9-23 09:59
所以说呢,讨论双方力量对比的时候要以正确的时间轴来看待
2011年全面改造完成的F-16A/B机队,机身寿命所剩 ...
那个时候又会有新的军售了
爱买就买呗。反正以后都会是我们的。
yzb85 发表于 2011-9-23 10:50
那个时候又会有新的军售了
那时候老美又能卖什么呢?2021年吧,台湾的F-16A/B刚刚完成升级,刚完成升级就落后于J-20和服役10年的J10B+MLU,这军购购的啥?
2021老美能卖的只有F/A-18E/F, F-16E/F和F-15SE,这些在J-20面前都不是对手。
F-35还没装备完八个伙伴或和美国自己呢,还不要说排在前面的日本,要买就从2035年往后排吧

靠买军备跟大陆军备竞赛是没有希望的。。。

YellowManaMage 发表于 2011-9-23 10:55
那时候老美又能卖什么呢?2021年吧,台湾的F-16A/B刚刚完成升级,刚完成升级就落后于J-20和服役10年的J10 ...


可以卖F15SE和F35,也许掐不过20,但是掐掐10B绰绰有余了。到时候你又会说10年后J30成军了……再等10年不迟。除非能掐过美帝,台湾不下决心梧桐是没希望回归的。
YellowManaMage 发表于 2011-9-23 10:55
那时候老美又能卖什么呢?2021年吧,台湾的F-16A/B刚刚完成升级,刚完成升级就落后于J-20和服役10年的J10 ...


可以卖F15SE和F35,也许掐不过20,但是掐掐10B绰绰有余了。到时候你又会说10年后J30成军了……再等10年不迟。除非能掐过美帝,台湾不下决心梧桐是没希望回归的。


最关键的不是美帝又卖了啥,那个大陆根本管不着
而是大陆军事技术进步能否克制美帝的装备。

最关键的不是美帝又卖了啥,那个大陆根本管不着
而是大陆军事技术进步能否克制美帝的装备。
本来2021年之前WW拿不到F35,所以这批搞完正好下一批,MD如意算盘打得真好
问题的实质不是卖与不卖的问题,而是一个国家的主权、尊严、原则问题!
10年? 一共100多架飞机要改这么久? 这是钓鱼吧。

yzb85 发表于 2011-9-23 11:00
可以卖F15SE和F35,也许掐不过20,但是掐掐10B绰绰有余了。到时候你又会说10年后J30成军了……再等10年 ...


(笑)
拿F-15SE双发重型机去掐单座机J-10B, 你真出息
F35别做梦,2021轮不到台湾
yzb85 发表于 2011-9-23 11:00
可以卖F15SE和F35,也许掐不过20,但是掐掐10B绰绰有余了。到时候你又会说10年后J30成军了……再等10年 ...


(笑)
拿F-15SE双发重型机去掐单座机J-10B, 你真出息
F35别做梦,2021轮不到台湾
afer198215 发表于 2011-9-23 11:06
10年? 一共100多架飞机要改这么久? 这是钓鱼吧。
华尔街日报原文,链接在那里摆着,钓什么鱼?
丢掉幻想,准备大战
军备竞赛,螺旋上升,早晚有一边会吃不消……
北京怒的不是装备本身,而是美国人的态度。
升级现在完成和十年后完成对TG的触动是一样的。
C2的潘泽尔四万 发表于 2011-9-23 11:14
军备竞赛,螺旋上升,早晚有一边会吃不消……
100亿美元军费 vs 1000亿美元军费
而且台湾是靠买,是抽血
中国是自行发展,钱花在自己国内,而且技术进步也能用于民用工业
这俩咋比,咋比

暮川 发表于 2011-9-23 11:05
问题的实质不是卖与不卖的问题,而是一个国家的主权、尊严、原则问题!


你有何好对策,能够影响美帝决策且不会得不偿失,提出来大家参详一下?

原则至上主义,在现实中往往受限于能耐和实力;
不理智的行为往往更加得不偿失、事与愿违、自取其辱。
暮川 发表于 2011-9-23 11:05
问题的实质不是卖与不卖的问题,而是一个国家的主权、尊严、原则问题!


你有何好对策,能够影响美帝决策且不会得不偿失,提出来大家参详一下?

原则至上主义,在现实中往往受限于能耐和实力;
不理智的行为往往更加得不偿失、事与愿违、自取其辱。
台湾真要独立或者挑衅大陆,对付丫的就是一顿火箭炮外加弹道、巡航导弹。

yzb85 发表于 2011-9-23 11:00
可以卖F15SE和F35,也许掐不过20,但是掐掐10B绰绰有余了。到时候你又会说10年后J30成军了……再等10年 ...


到时候只怕J10C、CF单发丝带、J16改进型号、SF丝带都出来了。
yzb85 发表于 2011-9-23 11:00
可以卖F15SE和F35,也许掐不过20,但是掐掐10B绰绰有余了。到时候你又会说10年后J30成军了……再等10年 ...


到时候只怕J10C、CF单发丝带、J16改进型号、SF丝带都出来了。
YellowManaMage 发表于 2011-9-23 11:10
华尔街日报原文,链接在那里摆着,钓什么鱼?
你地 理解有问题,我的意思是美国在钓台湾这条鱼。
磨洋工。
洛尊 发表于 2011-9-23 11:28
台湾真要独立或者挑衅大陆,对付丫的就是一顿火箭炮外加弹道、巡航导弹。
民进党和绿营支持者一直都叫嚣要打就打
同时幻想中国和日本或者韩国先打起来 还满好笑的
这个十年的跨度可能只是美台商会主席的烟幕弹,按理说不可能要用6年的时间才交付第一架改进型机,2-3年更为合理,整个工程(包括训练飞行员)或许可以在6年上下完成。

我军的完全状态10B及11的三代半改型应该在2013年后进入量产高峰,和台军战机升级的时间段基本吻合。当然,随后J20的入役则会带来无与伦比的优势。

继续闷声种胡萝卜吧,现在还打不过MD,也只能抗议一下!!
只有俺们自己军工发展好了强了,就会让美对台军售就会失去意义
以TG现在的实力和老美硬抗
想硬也硬不起来
但是中国要表现阻断美军快速干涉台湾战役的决心和能力
这样美军干涉的时候就会顾忌
十年啊。。。。。
YellowManaMage 发表于 2011-9-23 11:09
(笑)
拿F-15SE双发重型机去掐单座机J-10B, 你真出息
F35别做梦,2021轮不到台湾
96年的时候大陆还不是指望用苏27去掐F16。2021轮不到台湾,但可以签军售单啊,就像今天一样恶心大陆还是没问题的。
钢血 发表于 2011-9-23 11:29
到时候只怕J10C、CF单发丝带、J16改进型号、SF丝带都出来了。
要算出来现在20也算出来了,只是露脸测试而已,并未列装,这和宣布售台F16没啥本质差别,只要部队没有列装,其他都是浮云。尽管凭借举国之力,能占上一些优势,但是只要老美一天不倒,就能卖些能威胁你的武器让你吃不下饭。
现在TW的F16也有15年的机龄了, 按机体全寿命30年计算, 六年后首架改装交付的F16还有9年寿命,2011年交付的最后一架只能再飞5年。 这种改装坑爹啊。
yzb85 发表于 2011-9-23 13:00
96年的时候大陆还不是指望用苏27去掐F16。2021轮不到台湾,但可以签军售单啊,就像今天一样恶心大陆还是没 ...
喂喂,搞清楚WW的F16是什么时候交货的好不!96年的WW。空中力量和大陆的差距不比现在少,真正能用的就F5和F104。IDF都不包票能用上。
如果升级也要拖那么久,明摆着是MD狂抽ww的血来养活自己现役的石榴姐了,USAF、洛·马和分系统供应商们暗爽
绿林奸汉 发表于 2011-9-23 11:28
你有何好对策,能够影响美帝决策且不会得不偿失,提出来大家参详一下?

原则至上主义,在现实中往往 ...
      这次美台军售,对美国而言,一是国内政治、经济形势的需要,二是湾湾也到了该交保护费的时候了,三就是敲竹杠使然。现在台海两岸的军事态势已经逆转,如果说386时期大陆只能靠核弹进行威慑外,现今用常规军力已足矣,而且差距还在日益拉大。不要说出售F-16C/D,就是出售 F-22也无济于事。
    美国对中国说,我们这次只是改装F-16A/B,不出售F-16C/D,而且事先我们已派副总统亲自到北京进行沟通对话,已经是给足你们中国天大的面子了,你们还要怎的?
    对我朝而言,面对美台军售,已经不是第一次,也不是最后一次,但每次处理的结果都是按关切-不满-反对-抗议-召见-中断交流-自己给自己台阶下-和好如初这一套路进行,周而复始。对讲大局、讲面子的我朝领导来说,最尴尬的就是美国一边有求于你,甜言蜜语地忽悠你说我们是G2,两国关系是世界上最重要的关系....然后就带着几十亿美元的国债走了,但一转身嘴脸就变了,马上给你两大耳刮子,打得我朝领导眼冒金星,懵了!年年如此,次次依然,都已熟知对方的套路了。
    象法国出售武器给台湾,中国的报复手段如何法国是领教了,也知道厉害了。但美台军售这颗毒瘤,我朝一直没有有效的对付手段,也不知道该如何对付。因此只能是色厉内荏,每次都是雷声大,雨点小,让美国一次一次尝到甜头,今年可以改装F-16A/B,明年是不是还可以租赁F-16C/D?后年出售宙斯盾?最可悲的是,每次都还在国人面前做出一幅小三的悲情状,希望能博取国人的理解同情和支持。这种做法,一次两次还行,做多了,国人也厌烦了,更是觉得憋屈,有本事你也给美国两大嘴巴子,也让他知道厉害,知道什么是疼痛!
    可是我们不敢、不能、不行,我们要讲大局讲和谐,好像世界上只有中国对所有的国家都讲大局,中国在别的国家眼里就是一个冤大头、洪大元,连菲佣、猴子等一些鼻屎之国都可以来调戏敲诈勒索一番,你还得好言好语好吃好喝地招待,临走时还要给一大笔零花钱。
    冰冻三尺,非一日之寒。一个大国,要有国格、尊严、原则和责任,外交工作尤其如此,更应该好好反思在对外关系中的一些做法,处理问题不能头痛医头,脚痛医脚,拆东墙补西墙,更不能为了所谓的和谐、大局而一味无原则地妥协让步,韬光养晦也不是等于无所作为,当缩头乌龟!对侵犯中国核心利益的行为必须毫不动摇地进行坚决的斗争 !尊严、和平不是靠金钱就能买到的,要想让别国尊重你,首先自己要自尊、自重、自强!国家之间要讲利益,但不能为了利益而放弃应有的原则。在相互尊重的情况下,即使对方多占些便宜,我想广大群众都是真正讲大局的,也能理解政府的苦衷的。
     国家兴亡,匹夫有责,忠言逆耳,如鲠在喉,一些屁话,不吐不快。不能因为我爱国,就一定事事都说政府的好话,我是美分党,就一定要千方百计地诋毁政府,实事求是,君子做人坦荡荡,位卑未敢忘忧国!说得不对,请批评指正。

YellowManaMage 发表于 2011-9-23 11:45
民进党和绿营支持者一直都叫嚣要打就打
同时幻想中国和日本或者韩国先打起来 还满好笑的
那是忽悠绿营选民的

他们自己对实力的比照非常清楚
gaas 发表于 2011-9-23 13:18
现在TW的F16也有15年的机龄了, 按机体全寿命30年计算, 六年后首架改装交付的F16还有9年寿命,2011年交付的 ...
这期间飞行员的飞行训练和适应训练时间都没算上,实际上未来对于武器装备能力的提升来说,无论如何他们也没办法比的,最多就是吓吓人,看,我有这些武器啊,我有这武器了,你打我你会多死俩人,所以你得好好想想。

但我们反对的是美国不守承诺的态度,这个不能让步

jerrypopo 发表于 2011-9-23 14:00
那是忽悠绿营选民的

他们自己对实力的比照非常清楚


不可忽视之
台湾绿民对中国的仇恨是巴勒斯坦和以色列之间那种血海世仇
只要他们逮到某个时机,就会对他们嘴里称的“支那贱畜”发起致命一击
这跟中美,中日,中越之间的矛盾的性质是根本上不一样的
是不需要利益动机的,纯粹的仇恨
所以中国对台湾的军事压力绝对不能去除

团结蓝营,并同时准备好对绿营的行动做出合适的反击,包括军事反击,是必要的
jerrypopo 发表于 2011-9-23 14:00
那是忽悠绿营选民的

他们自己对实力的比照非常清楚


不可忽视之
台湾绿民对中国的仇恨是巴勒斯坦和以色列之间那种血海世仇
只要他们逮到某个时机,就会对他们嘴里称的“支那贱畜”发起致命一击
这跟中美,中日,中越之间的矛盾的性质是根本上不一样的
是不需要利益动机的,纯粹的仇恨
所以中国对台湾的军事压力绝对不能去除

团结蓝营,并同时准备好对绿营的行动做出合适的反击,包括军事反击,是必要的
十年之后,就算MD卖F22给台湾都没用了。
卖武器给他只是给台湾人打气,我会保护你,顺便赚点小钱拉点选票。
yzb85 发表于 2011-9-23 11:00
可以卖F15SE和F35,也许掐不过20,但是掐掐10B绰绰有余了。到时候你又会说10年后J30成军了……再等10年 ...
掐不过20不就结了,直接用20弄死他啊。干嘛要等2030年?